[02:26] Evening, btw. [06:17] morning [12:45] cmaloney: The guy in this other Go game is talking about eyes. I guess it's time to read a strategy guide [12:46] Oh this is lovely http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/08/05/0344244/synolocker-0-day-ransomware-puts-nas-files-at-risk [12:46] http://goo.gl/fqzdA8 - Synolocker 0-Day Ransomware Puts NAS Files At Risk - Slashdot [12:54] your fault for running synology instead of building your own linux nas like a good linux user. [12:54] :p j/k [12:55] Well I'm not fool enough to expose it to the Internet [12:59] jrwren: Your comment is not a joke on many other Linux forums [13:01] I know. :( Its one of the reasons that I'm not a proud community member. [13:01] I hear they function as pretty good routers too. The dual nic synologies that is. [13:34] I've seen tons of embedded device vulenablities [13:42] nullspace: me too. I usually see it in cheap crap routers or stuff which was never meant to be internet facing. [13:42] Synology has a good reputation and is considered to a higher grade than competetors. I rarely see such vulnerabilities in the higher rep stuff. [13:52] brousch: Yeah, there's much more under the surface of a go game than meets the "eye" [13:52] I'd recommend picking up "Beginning Go" as a good starting point [13:53] The "So You Want To Play Go" series is good as well, but is pretty chatty and doesn't tend to go too far in depth at the beginner levels. [13:53] You might say it takes a minute to learn and a lifetime to master. [13:54] If you wanted to be a cheezy commercial for a game, yes. [14:07] jrwren: way to quote the tag line for othelloe [14:07] Which is anything but a game that takes a lifetime to master. :) [14:08] brousch: Seriously, this game is fin. :) [14:08] Those stones are dead dead dead [14:09] All we're doing is taking territory from the final score. [14:27] I guess there was less on the left than I thought [14:36] Yeah, and the stones in the corner were dead [14:36] That's what your other game is trying to teach you. [14:37] Well my other game says half of the board is dead even though it's open space [14:38] link? [14:38] So the scoring has me confused again [14:38] How did I get 30? 10 prisoners + 16 territories = 30? [14:39] ah, I get 2*? [14:39] 16 + 4 (dead stones) + 10 [14:39] yep [14:40] It's in the other column, so that's not obvious [14:40] Yeah, those are essentially prisoners [14:42] Here's the other game http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=918382 [14:42] http://goo.gl/zWcd65 - DGS - Game #918382,59 [14:43] He tells me all of the black groups are dead, but is playing through it with me and giving comments [14:43] The group on the left is dead [14:43] Ah, you can see the comments [14:43] You're depriving yourself of liberties with each move. [14:44] No, that's what I'm seeing. :) [14:44] All he needs to do is fill in F1, and you're fucked. [14:44] or g1 if you play at f1 [14:45] It may take a little longer for the top group to get surrounded but there's little you can do to get out of that situation. [14:45] If I get a8 and f3 first, it will destroy the whole thing [14:45] Though I'm not sure the top ggroup is dead. [14:45] You can't. [14:46] I'm sure he will fill f3 when I get a8, but still possible [14:46] All he needs is to fill in f3 and you're fucked. [14:46] Yeah, and you can't play there otherwise. [14:46] so he's correct. You're fucked. [14:52] I need 0 handicap so when I win it will not feel weak [14:53] Sure. Feel free to ignore that invite [14:53] I disputed it [14:53] Though there's no shame in handicap. :) [14:53] It is not a true win with handicap [14:55] Suit yourself. :) [14:56] Have you begun reading the Go books yet? [14:58] Yeah, I've been leafing through them [14:58] Have also been schooled by GnuGo on occasion. :) [15:00] GnuGo whoops me [15:01] Yeah, you have to set the level pretty low [15:02] It's not a perfect player (skilled players can whoop it pretty easily) but it is brutal to beginners [15:19] brousch: http://shop.gogameguru.com/so-you-want-to-play-go-1/ [15:19] http://goo.gl/t700pJ - So You Want to Play Go? [16:00] I finally see how all of my stones are doomed in that other game. [16:01] Yeah, it takes a little bit of practice, but it'll become apparent. [16:02] This is why there are a lot of .sgf imports in programs; to play out "what-if" scenarios. [16:02] in chess it seemed a bit overkill, but in go it's crucial [16:54] I can go about 4 moves in my head [17:13] You're better than I. I look at the board anew each move. [17:20] I do that too, but try to look at possibilities a few moves ahead. I don't usually succeed though [17:20] And it's pretty useless early on [17:22] heh [19:58] howdy [20:02] hey hey [20:03] Hey rick_h__ [20:03] Or should we say "Guten Tag"? [20:06] guten aben [20:28] hello from London [20:38] greg-g: You too? [20:39] * cmaloney is feeling the moss growing [20:48] Also: Probably not the best day to be a Justin.tv subscriber. [20:48] http://justin.tv/ [20:48] http://goo.gl/1ESDp - Goodbye from Justin.tv [20:48] "The Justin.tv website, mobile apps, and APIs are no longer in service. Thank you sincerely for seven years of live video memories." [20:49] AKA: Thanks for seven years of content that we could use to leverage our buyout [20:53] cmaloney: here for Wikimania [22:38] huh... sad that justin.tv shutdown. [22:38] they own twitch.tv, which is THRIVING to say the least. [22:38] seems like they could have spun justin.tv off