[02:26] <cmaloney> Evening, btw.
[06:17] <rick_h__> morning
[12:45] <brousch> cmaloney: The guy in this other Go game is talking about eyes. I guess it's time to read a strategy guide
[12:46] <brousch> Oh this is lovely http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/08/05/0344244/synolocker-0-day-ransomware-puts-nas-files-at-risk
[12:46] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fqzdA8 - Synolocker 0-Day Ransomware Puts NAS Files At Risk - Slashdot
[12:54] <jrwren> your fault for running synology instead of building your own linux nas like a good linux user.
[12:54] <jrwren> :p j/k
[12:55] <brousch> Well I'm not fool enough to expose it to the Internet
[12:59] <brousch> jrwren: Your comment is not a joke on many other Linux forums
[13:01] <jrwren> I know. :(  Its one of the reasons that I'm not a proud community member.
[13:01] <jrwren> I hear they function as pretty good routers too. The dual nic synologies that is.
[13:34] <nullspace> I've seen tons of embedded device vulenablities
[13:42] <jrwren> nullspace: me too. I usually see it in cheap crap routers or stuff which was never meant to be internet facing.
[13:42] <jrwren> Synology has a good reputation and is considered to a higher grade than competetors. I rarely see such vulnerabilities in the higher rep stuff.
[13:52] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah, there's much more under the surface of a go game than meets the "eye"
[13:52] <cmaloney> I'd recommend picking up "Beginning Go" as a good starting point
[13:53] <cmaloney> The "So You Want To Play Go" series is good as well, but is pretty chatty and doesn't tend to go too far in depth at the beginner levels.
[13:53] <jrwren> You might say it takes a minute to learn and a lifetime to master.
[13:54] <cmaloney> If you wanted to be a cheezy commercial for a game, yes.
[14:07] <nullspace> jrwren: way to quote the tag line for othelloe
[14:07] <cmaloney> Which is anything but a game that takes a lifetime to master. :)
[14:08] <cmaloney> brousch: Seriously, this game is fin. :)
[14:08] <cmaloney> Those stones are dead dead dead
[14:09] <cmaloney> All we're doing is taking territory from the final score.
[14:27] <brousch> I guess there was less on the left than I thought
[14:36] <cmaloney> Yeah, and the stones in the corner were dead
[14:36] <cmaloney> That's what your other game is trying to teach you.
[14:37] <brousch> Well my other game says half of the board is dead even though it's open space
[14:38] <cmaloney> link?
[14:38] <brousch> So the scoring has me confused again
[14:38] <brousch> How did I get 30? 10 prisoners + 16 territories = 30?
[14:39] <brousch> ah, I get 2*<your dead stones>?
[14:39] <cmaloney> 16 + 4 (dead stones) + 10
[14:39] <cmaloney> yep
[14:40] <brousch> It's in the other column, so that's not obvious
[14:40] <cmaloney> Yeah, those are essentially prisoners
[14:42] <brousch> Here's the other game http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=918382
[14:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/zWcd65 - DGS - Game #918382,59
[14:43] <brousch> He tells me all of the black groups are dead, but is playing through it with me and giving comments
[14:43] <cmaloney> The group on the left is dead
[14:43] <brousch> Ah, you can see the comments
[14:43] <cmaloney> You're depriving yourself of liberties with each move.
[14:44] <cmaloney> No, that's what I'm seeing. :)
[14:44] <cmaloney> All he needs to do is fill in F1, and you're fucked.
[14:44] <cmaloney> or g1 if you play at f1
[14:45] <cmaloney> It may take a little longer for the top group to get surrounded but there's little you can do to get out of that situation.
[14:45] <brousch> If I get a8 and f3 first, it will destroy the whole thing
[14:45] <cmaloney> Though I'm not sure the top ggroup is dead.
[14:45] <cmaloney> You can't.
[14:46] <brousch> I'm sure he will fill f3 when I get a8, but still possible
[14:46] <cmaloney> All he needs is to fill in f3 and you're fucked.
[14:46] <cmaloney> Yeah, and you can't play there otherwise.
[14:46] <cmaloney> so he's correct. You're fucked.
[14:52] <brousch> I need 0 handicap so when I win it will not feel weak
[14:53] <cmaloney> Sure. Feel free to ignore that invite
[14:53] <brousch> I disputed it
[14:53] <cmaloney> Though there's no shame in handicap. :)
[14:53] <brousch> It is not a true win with handicap
[14:55] <cmaloney> Suit yourself. :)
[14:56] <brousch> Have you begun reading the Go books yet?
[14:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, I've been leafing through them
[14:58] <cmaloney> Have also been schooled by GnuGo on occasion. :)
[15:00] <brousch> GnuGo whoops me
[15:01] <cmaloney> Yeah, you have to set the level pretty low
[15:02] <cmaloney> It's not a perfect player (skilled players can whoop it pretty easily) but it is brutal to beginners
[15:19] <cmaloney> brousch: http://shop.gogameguru.com/so-you-want-to-play-go-1/
[15:19] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/t700pJ - So You Want to Play Go?
[16:00] <brousch> I finally see how all of my stones are doomed in that other game.
[16:01] <cmaloney> Yeah, it takes a little bit of practice, but it'll become apparent.
[16:02] <cmaloney> This is why there are a lot of .sgf imports in programs; to play out "what-if" scenarios.
[16:02] <cmaloney> in chess it seemed a bit overkill, but in go it's crucial
[16:54] <brousch> I can go about 4 moves in my head
[17:13] <cmaloney> You're better than I. I look at the board anew each move.
[17:20] <brousch> I do that too, but try to look at possibilities a few moves ahead. I don't usually succeed though
[17:20] <brousch> And it's pretty useless early on
[17:22] <cmaloney> heh
[19:58] <rick_h__> howdy
[20:02] <widox> hey hey
[20:03] <cmaloney> Hey rick_h__
[20:03] <cmaloney> Or should we say "Guten Tag"?
[20:06] <rick_h__> guten aben
[20:28] <greg-g> hello from London
[20:38] <cmaloney> greg-g: You too?
[20:39]  * cmaloney is feeling the moss growing
[20:48] <cmaloney> Also: Probably not the best day to be a Justin.tv subscriber.
[20:48] <cmaloney> http://justin.tv/
[20:48] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/1ESDp - Goodbye from Justin.tv
[20:48] <cmaloney> "The Justin.tv website, mobile apps, and APIs are no longer in service. Thank you sincerely for seven years of live video memories."
[20:49] <cmaloney> AKA: Thanks for seven years of content that we could use to leverage our buyout
[20:53] <greg-g> cmaloney: here for Wikimania
[22:38] <jrwren> huh... sad that justin.tv shutdown.
[22:38] <jrwren> they own twitch.tv, which is THRIVING to say the least.
[22:38] <jrwren> seems like they could have spun justin.tv off