| Squirm | morning | 05:00 |
|---|---|---|
| mazal | Morning everyone | 05:06 |
| Squirm | hey mazal, Tonberry | 05:36 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn ThatGraemeGuy and others | 06:32 |
| Kilos | en mazal nuvolari_ inetpro | 06:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hi Kilos etc. | 06:43 |
| Kilos | hehe | 06:43 |
| inetpro | goeie more | 07:00 |
| Symmetria | http://pastebin.com/Trwc4Ufy <=== horrible code, but someone might have a use for it ;p | 07:02 |
| charl | good morning inetpro, Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy, Symmetria | 07:24 |
| charl | and mazal, Squirm | 07:24 |
| charl | Symmetria: nice ! | 07:25 |
| charl | you still have that logstalgia thing running ? | 07:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo charl, inetpro, Symmetria | 07:25 |
| Symmetria | charl yeah | 07:35 |
| Symmetria | http://logs.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/ | 07:35 |
| psyatw | hi Symmetria | 07:37 |
| psyatw | hi charl | 07:37 |
| charl | hi psyatw ! | 07:40 |
| psyatw | :) | 07:41 |
| charl | how's it going in poland | 07:41 |
| charl | finally some really nice weather here in NL ... | 07:41 |
| psyatw | poland is going strong | 07:41 |
| charl | waited the entire summer for it :) | 07:41 |
| psyatw | and the weather is great too | 07:41 |
| psyatw | it's raining cats and dogs here today :D | 07:41 |
| psyatw | haha | 07:41 |
| charl | ah we traded weather :) | 07:42 |
| charl | we had that a few days ago | 07:42 |
| psyatw | it's time for me to start updating my cv, though | 07:42 |
| charl | ah yes, i'm also busy looking around right now | 07:42 |
| psyatw | yeah, but last year it didn't rain as much as it has this summer | 07:42 |
| psyatw | I wouldn't mind working in germany but I'm worried about my skills | 07:42 |
| charl | if you find some good java / devops related jobs let me know | 07:43 |
| psyatw | I think I got some offers by e-mail | 07:43 |
| charl | what have you done for your cv? i just created it using http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/nl/documents/curriculum-vitae | 07:43 |
| psyatw | I used the same | 07:43 |
| charl | ah good | 07:43 |
| psyatw | it looks professional | 07:43 |
| charl | my cv isn't very long, it's about a page in length right now | 07:43 |
| psyatw | oh really | 07:44 |
| psyatw | mine is 3-4 pages long | 07:44 |
| charl | i like it too, and that you can get it in multiple formats | 07:44 |
| charl | some recruiters want it in word format | 07:44 |
| psyatw | but I lack some technical skills | 07:44 |
| psyatw | yeah | 07:44 |
| charl | but it's mostly because they want to add their own cover letter for it (i think) | 07:44 |
| charl | although they of course give other reasons | 07:44 |
| psyatw | my big worry is that I don't like my current job and would prefer getting some junior programming job, but I don't know how to break into those | 07:45 |
| psyatw | and I don't want to get stuck doing support or sysadmin work for too long | 07:45 |
| psyatw | although a friend of mine told me he worked at ziggo as a sysadmin before and earned good money there | 07:46 |
| psyatw | now he is working at rackspace in london | 07:46 |
| charl | ziggo and rackspace are both good but expensive | 07:47 |
| charl | especially rackspace their pricing is sky high, i think they are pricing themselves out of the market | 07:47 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 07:47 |
| charl | hi Kilos :) | 07:47 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 07:48 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw | 07:48 |
| charl | psyatw: i'm curious, what do you find about cv lengths in europe (in ICT in particular) | 07:50 |
| charl | i used to have 2-3 pages but i found it actually worked against me | 07:50 |
| charl | so i cut it down to one 1-2 pages | 07:50 |
| psyatw | charl, I guess it is a good thing to only put your most relevant work experience in it, but that only happens if you've actually got experience | 07:51 |
| psyatw | my uncle has a cv that is some 8 pages long, that is a bit too much but it doesn't work against him as he gets hired by big companies anyway | 07:52 |
| charl | that's different, especially if you go for a job at the top | 07:52 |
| psyatw | as a contractor because he is an oracle and all-round database expert, though | 07:52 |
| charl | but if you're an "average" programmer | 07:52 |
| psyatw | yeah | 07:53 |
| charl | the problem with lots of ict folks is that they tend to be rather arrogant and eletist in their own way | 07:53 |
| charl | and they're very quick to say "oh look at this noob" just because you have some php experience listed | 07:53 |
| charl | lots of companies in NL are not especially very anti-php as of the last number of years | 07:53 |
| charl | they seem to think that if you have ever done anything in php you're basically an idiot | 07:53 |
| psyatw | I think it is actually harmful for them to think like that | 07:54 |
| charl | php might suck as a programming language but there were days where it was one of the best tools available | 07:54 |
| charl | yes i think so to | 07:54 |
| charl | *too | 07:54 |
| psyatw | it's not as if I've studied lots of things, but it never seems to be quite enough for you to get a certain job | 07:54 |
| psyatw | as if I've not studied* | 07:54 |
| psyatw | yeah | 07:55 |
| charl | yeah but companies also list their exact stack of software they *happen* to use | 07:55 |
| charl | and almost *every* single company has a slightly different stack of software | 07:55 |
| psyatw | ict studies really are a major time sink, because not only do you need to know programming languages but alos have experience with their software stacks | 07:55 |
| charl | so it's impossible for any programmer to know it all, even with 10+ years of experience | 07:55 |
| psyatw | yes indeed | 07:55 |
| psyatw | it's like looking for a needle in a haystack | 07:56 |
| psyatw | but they still persist in that kind of thinking | 07:56 |
| charl | i mean i have been in ict now for 10+ years and i still don't know everything, i only know the stuff that i happen to have come across | 07:56 |
| charl | so when i have a conversation with some potential employer, obviously the guy sitting on the other side of the table will know some stuff i don't | 07:56 |
| psyatw | how can you ever know everything there is to know? | 07:56 |
| charl | but to make up for it, i know a whole bunch of stuff that they don't, but it seems like you get judged based off what you don't know, and not what you know | 07:57 |
| psyatw | yeah | 07:57 |
| charl | yeah i get very frustrated, i hate applying for jobs, it's so bad i just want to stick to where i am :) | 07:57 |
| charl | but i'm sitting on a temporary contract right now, and it's my third year, so they either have to kick me out or make me permanent | 07:58 |
| psyatw | I wouldn't expect someone with 10+ years of programming experience for his/her job to be judged the same way someone who has never worked professionally as a programmer would be judged :) | 07:58 |
| charl | i hear they are shortening it now from 3 years to 2 years maximum, i think it's a good thing | 07:58 |
| charl | yes i agree | 07:58 |
| charl | but yet it very often happens | 07:59 |
| psyatw | I think it will make you aware of the fact that nothing is permanent and you have to keep looking out for yourself | 07:59 |
| charl | yes | 07:59 |
| charl | but companies are also very comfortably riding this whole "temporary" thing | 07:59 |
| charl | it prevents them from having to think long term and build sustainable business | 07:59 |
| Symmetria | heh, the interesting thing is, most executives are on fixed term renewable contracts | 08:00 |
| Symmetria | in major corps | 08:00 |
| Symmetria | *especially* cXX's | 08:00 |
| charl | well that means they have to change cXX every two years (here, in any case) | 08:00 |
| charl | unless there are exceptions made for people in certain positions, not sure | 08:01 |
| psyatw | charl, but I know for myself that I will never be comfortable working for others anyway, I just want to build some connections and get experience and certificates so I can start my own business together with a few friends from all over the world | 08:01 |
| Symmetria | charl, nah, those contracts are renewable | 08:01 |
| Symmetria | executive contracts are typically structured like that | 08:01 |
| Symmetria | and expat contracts are like that as well | 08:01 |
| charl | interesting | 08:02 |
| Symmetria | expat contracts are structured like that for work visa reasons | 08:02 |
| Symmetria | you give a guy a contract for as long as his work visa is valid for | 08:02 |
| Symmetria | renew it when his work visa is renewed | 08:03 |
| Symmetria | almost impossible to give a guy a perm position when he's on a work visa that may expire | 08:03 |
| Symmetria | (like my contract with Liquid, its a 2 year contract) | 08:03 |
| charl | oh yeah that's a mess indeed | 08:03 |
| charl | but i guess that's the way it works when you're in a foreign country | 08:04 |
| Symmetria | heh the advantage of it is that an employee in that situation can generally demand more money | 08:04 |
| charl | i guess in the EU it's different because you don't need work visas in other EU member states | 08:04 |
| charl | although that's only for as long as the EU holds... if a country pulls out i don't know what will happen | 08:05 |
| charl | if you really want to live in a country long term, it's best to naturalise as a citizen first thing you get a chance | 08:05 |
| charl | especially if you have a wife and kids who are natives of that country | 08:05 |
| psyatw | does that also count if you are an EU citizen and live in one of the EU countries, though? | 08:20 |
| charl | i have no idea, the whole idea of "eu citizenship" is trash imho | 08:53 |
| charl | you're only an "eu citizen" for as long as your country remains part of the EU afaik | 08:54 |
| charl | i guess then it would be like in switzerland where you have favourable immigration terms but no real rights | 08:54 |
| Kilos | whats a better file manager than dolphin when copying lots of floppies | 09:36 |
| Kilos | dolphin gets to the stage where it opens one 16 times | 09:36 |
| Kilos | 14.04 kde | 09:36 |
| mazal | Jissie boet , ek is moeg gehardloop\ | 09:37 |
| psyatw | I didn't know floppies were still in use | 09:42 |
| psyatw | charl, but then you would at least have some time to find a wife and get the same citizenship as hers | 09:43 |
| psyatw | hoi mazal | 09:43 |
| Kilos | lol thats why i got the job. sister in law has many years of saved photos on floppy and now wants to save them on new laptop which doesnt have a floppy thing so they bought me an external fd and gave me the job | 09:44 |
| Kilos | met wat mazal ? | 09:44 |
| Kilos | i score a screen and the external floppy drive | 09:45 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User | 09:45 |
| mazal | Oom Kilos , met werk | 09:45 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:45 |
| mazal | al 3 my sites het goed wat stukkend is | 09:45 |
| Kilos | oi | 09:45 |
| mazal | En 90% van dit is ander mense wat dit breek en ander mense wat ek voor wag om reg te maak | 09:46 |
| mazal | Maar almal kerm by my | 09:46 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:47 |
| Kilos | maar jy is mos die IT man | 09:47 |
| mazal | Ja maar het te min se in wat gebeur oom | 09:47 |
| mazal | Dis die probleem | 09:48 |
| mazal | En het geen mannekrag nie | 09:48 |
| mazal | En is meer die " dirty work slaves " | 09:48 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:48 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 10:12 |
| Kilos | and whoever i missed earlier | 10:12 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 10:19 |
| inetpro | yikes! | 10:35 |
| inetpro | anybody else here who felt the tremor? | 10:36 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | inetpro: that might've been me, but i had lunch so my tummy has quieted down now | 11:26 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | sorry for the disturbance :P | 11:27 |
| charl | lol | 11:27 |
| Kilos | yip inetpro was 5.3 tremor in orkney | 11:28 |
| Kilos | rattled the house here | 11:28 |
| nuvolari_ | o.O | 11:29 |
| nuvolari_ | aparently it was felt in Durbs too | 11:29 |
| nuvolari_ | didn't feel anything here in Ballito | 11:29 |
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| Kilos | wow orkney to durbs is far | 11:30 |
| Kilos | orkney is near ventersdorp iirc | 11:30 |
| Squirm | nothing here | 11:35 |
| Squirm | and heard a lady speaking from Ladysmith, nothing there either | 11:36 |
| Squirm | An earthquake with magnitude 5.3 occurred near Klerksdorp, South Africa at 10:22:34.90 UTC on Aug 5, 2014 | 11:37 |
| Squirm | @eNCAnews #earthquake serious earthquake felt in klerksdorp. Schools evacuation | 11:38 |
| Squirm | wow | 11:38 |
| Squirm | ok... | 11:38 |
| spinza | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb000s0b3#dyfi | 11:40 |
| spinza | You can see who reported feeling it and where | 11:41 |
| spinza | Also report of you felt it | 11:42 |
| spinza | *if | 11:42 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://www.reddit.com/r/southafrica/comments/2codmo/the_entirety_of_gauteng_just_had_an_earthquake/ | 11:47 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53299593.jpg <-- LMAO | 11:49 |
| Kilos | i hope it didnt spread the lava in minetest | 11:56 |
| mazal | I didn't feel it. Think because I was driving around that time | 12:30 |
| mazal | Bye everyone , have a nice evening | 12:42 |
| nuvolari | :O it's cause of you guys digging around with bots that the earthquake happened | 15:01 |
| nuvolari | :P | 15:01 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:01 |
| magespawn | good evening | 15:48 |
| magespawn | ping Kilos | 15:49 |
| Kilos | hi mage | 16:31 |
| Kilos | ai! | 16:31 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 16:31 |
| Vince-0 | 'eve | 16:32 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn send the heat man | 16:42 |
| magespawn | back again | 16:44 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 16:44 |
| Kilos | hi my magespawn hows you man | 16:44 |
| magespawn | good and you/ | 16:44 |
| Kilos | sorry i was asleep earlier | 16:44 |
| Kilos | just cold | 16:44 |
| magespawn | no worries, i also got disconnected | 16:44 |
| Symmetria | heh so how hectic was the quake today | 17:05 |
| magespawn | apparently they felt it all the way down in durban | 17:05 |
| magespawn | in-laws are in the klerksdorp, the damage at their house was not too bad, but lots to clean up | 17:07 |
| Symmetria | need to check with my sister in midrand | 17:08 |
| Kilos | wasnt too bad here in pta by me, house just shook a bit and wondows rattled | 17:09 |
| Symmetria | man this utopia tv series is seriously MESSED UP | 17:17 |
| magespawn | have not seen it | 17:20 |
| Symmetria | hrm, wow, doing 100gigs a day of vlc downloads from the mirror | 17:24 |
| Symmetria | thats a fair bit more than the ubuntu downloads | 17:24 |
| magespawn | what sort of vlc downloads? surely not the media player | 17:26 |
| Symmetria | yeah | 17:27 |
| Symmetria | the media player | 17:27 |
| magespawn | wow | 17:27 |
| Symmetria | the hitcount on the ubuntu mirrors are MUCH higher of course with machines checking for updates | 17:29 |
| Symmetria | Processed 2904209 records in 20 seconds | 17:29 |
| Symmetria | heh since the first of august | 17:29 |
| magespawn | that is still impressive considering that vlc is about 30 Mb | 17:30 |
| Symmetria | so we're averaging around 580k hits every 24 hours for ubuntu | 17:30 |
| Symmetria | bout 7 hits a second average | 17:30 |
| magespawn | that must look like DDOS in logstalgia | 17:31 |
| Symmetria | not really | 17:31 |
| Symmetria | http://logs.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/ | 17:31 |
| Symmetria | :) you can look in chrome | 17:31 |
| Symmetria | thats live logstalgia | 17:31 |
| Kilos | is it an official mirror Symmetria ? | 17:31 |
| Symmetria | kilos for vlc? yes | 17:31 |
| Symmetria | for all of east africa | 17:31 |
| Kilos | oh not for buntu yet? | 17:32 |
| Symmetria | oh yeah that as well | 17:32 |
| Symmetria | we're official ubuntu for ke/tz/ug/rw/bi/sd/so | 17:32 |
| Symmetria | oh and zm/zw | 17:32 |
| Symmetria | ;p | 17:32 |
| Kilos | i mean with it show in repos now | 17:33 |
| Symmetria | kilos it should, or if you just choose the country official mirror for any of the countries listed above it will use us | 17:33 |
| Symmetria | mage did you check that logstalgia link? | 17:34 |
| magespawn | busy watching now | 17:34 |
| magespawn | never get tired of looking at that | 17:34 |
| Symmetria | heh it looks most awesome in the mornings when people are getting to work and turning on their machines | 17:34 |
| Symmetria | then you see it going ballistic | 17:34 |
| Symmetria | lol lemme run an update at home and see if we can make it look fun | 17:35 |
| Symmetria | lol did you see that huge purple stream? that was an apt-get update at home :P | 17:35 |
| Symmetria | lets do an apt-get upgrade now | 17:35 |
| Symmetria | hehe that was cool :) 76meg of downloads in a second or 2 | 17:36 |
| magespawn | pretty cool | 17:36 |
| Symmetria | heh its amazing how heavy logstalgia is generating that display though | 17:37 |
| Symmetria | I tried to generate it through a mesa implementation of opengl | 17:37 |
| Symmetria | instead of offloading it onto a video card in hardware | 17:37 |
| Symmetria | even with all the cpu power I could throw at it, it didn't come CLOSE to handling it | 17:38 |
| Symmetria | I actually wanna install something to see what its doing to my GPU | 17:38 |
| magespawn | looks good from this side, are you running the logstalgia on your machine or on the server? | 17:42 |
| Symmetria | my machine, only thing with a powerful enough GPU to actually do this properly | 17:43 |
| charl | good evening people | 17:43 |
| magespawn | hey charl | 17:43 |
| charl | hi magespawn, Symmetria , Kilos | 17:43 |
| Symmetria | damn, its using 25% of my gpu doing that, and considering I'm running a 690 thats massive | 17:43 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 17:44 |
| magespawn | sounds pretty heavy | 17:44 |
| Symmetria | heh magespawn well, a 690 is a pretty serious GPU to be eating 25% of it | 17:44 |
| Kilos | ubuntu.mirror.ac.ke | 17:46 |
| Kilos | is that it | 17:46 |
| Symmetria | kilos no, ke.archive.ubuntu.com or ubuntu-archive.mirror.liquidtelecom.com | 17:47 |
| Kilos | oi i got to find another country then that will show that | 17:48 |
| Kilos | that was the link next to kenya | 17:48 |
| Symmetria | huh, I install and tell it I'm in kenya | 17:49 |
| Symmetria | and it sets default to ke.archive | 17:49 |
| Kilos | thats the only link i see for kenya | 17:49 |
| Symmetria | odd | 17:50 |
| Symmetria | where does the tz one point you | 17:50 |
| Kilos | whats tz | 17:51 |
| Kilos | tanzania? | 17:51 |
| Symmetria | yeah | 17:51 |
| Kilos | mirror.aptus..co.tz | 17:52 |
| Kilos | speak to canonical again | 17:52 |
| Symmetria | heh will chat to them tomorrow | 18:02 |
| Symmetria | where do you see the repo list anyway | 18:02 |
| Kilos | my select best server thing shows | 18:02 |
| Symmetria | cause I just see the official when you do the install | 18:02 |
| Kilos | ubuntu-archive.mirrors.proxad.net | 18:03 |
| Kilos | in synaptic or update manager | 18:04 |
| Kilos | what ubuntu are you running Symmetria ? | 18:05 |
| Symmetria | 14.04 | 18:06 |
| Symmetria | but Im using server | 18:06 |
| Symmetria | heh I just install telling it to use kenya mirror | 18:06 |
| Symmetria | and then run apt-get update | 18:06 |
| Symmetria | and it finds kenya | 18:06 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:07 |
| Kilos | well tell canonical we dont get the choice | 18:07 |
| Symmetria | heh I'll speak to them soon as their is a vanguard on duty | 18:07 |
| Kilos | i dont know how to set or change mirrors from terminal | 18:08 |
| Symmetria | heh vi /etc/apt/sources.list ;p | 18:10 |
| magespawn | or vim | 18:11 |
| Kilos | ai! i see lots of mythic.beasts | 18:12 |
| Kilos | http://mirror.mythic-beasts.com/ubuntu/ | 18:13 |
| Symmetria | thats the mirror your apt-get update will be using then | 18:15 |
| Kilos | yes | 18:15 |
| Kilos | it was the best one last week but not very fast at all | 18:16 |
| Kilos | our za mirror rocked a few months ago then just got sicker and sicker | 18:17 |
| inetpro | good evening | 18:19 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 18:19 |
| Kilos | grind daai chromium en koper ore ne! | 18:42 |
| Kilos | dan eers cook | 18:42 |
| Kilos | oops | 18:43 |
| Symmetria | kilos I've asked several times to be added to the za rotation but graham beneke refuses | 18:44 |
| Symmetria | and honestly, we should just feed za outta kenya because in terms of bandwidth, and tweaking, and server capacity, the ke mirror is better suited | 18:46 |
| Kilos | why does he refuse? | 18:46 |
| Symmetria | heh he likes being the host for za and swears he has the capacity | 18:46 |
| Kilos | prove him wrong then, tell him may the best server win | 18:47 |
| Kilos | or speak to mark and ask him to make waves | 18:48 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | evening all | 18:53 |
| Kilos | hi | 18:53 |
| charl | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 18:54 |
| magespawn | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 18:54 |
| charl | i wonder what the benefit is of using the mirror approach compared to debian's cdn approach | 18:55 |
| charl | i don't know what debian uses... anycast dns or split horizon dns | 18:56 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | debian CDN uses the geodns patch for bind if i'm not mistaken | 18:56 |
| charl | probably | 18:56 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | we have actually switched to http.debian.net | 18:56 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://http.debian.net/ lists the reasons its better, i don't recall them offhand | 18:57 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | just that we have had no issues since switching | 18:57 |
| charl | hmmm | 18:58 |
| charl | interesting | 18:58 |
| magespawn | good night all | 19:56 |
| Kilos | night magespawn | 19:56 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:56 |
| Kilos | night guys.sleep tight | 22:26 |
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