[05:00] <Squirm> morning
[05:06] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:36] <Squirm> hey mazal, Tonberry 
[06:32] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  ThatGraemeGuy  and others
[06:33] <Kilos> en mazal  nuvolari_  inetpro  
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos etc.
[06:43] <Kilos> hehe
[07:00] <inetpro> goeie more
[07:02] <Symmetria> http://pastebin.com/Trwc4Ufy <[07:24] <charl> good morning inetpro, Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy, Symmetria 
[07:24] <charl> and mazal, Squirm 
[07:25] <charl> Symmetria: nice !
[07:25] <charl> you still have that logstalgia thing running ?
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo charl, inetpro, Symmetria
[07:35] <Symmetria> charl yeah 
[07:35] <Symmetria> http://logs.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/
[07:37] <psyatw> hi Symmetria 
[07:37] <psyatw> hi charl 
[07:40] <charl> hi psyatw !
[07:41] <psyatw> :)
[07:41] <charl> how's it going in poland
[07:41] <charl> finally some really nice weather here in NL ...
[07:41] <psyatw> poland is going strong
[07:41] <charl> waited the entire summer for it :)
[07:41] <psyatw> and the weather is great too
[07:41] <psyatw> it's raining cats and dogs here today :D
[07:41] <psyatw> haha
[07:42] <charl> ah we traded weather :)
[07:42] <charl> we had that a few days ago
[07:42] <psyatw> it's time for me to start updating my cv, though
[07:42] <charl> ah yes, i'm also busy looking around right now
[07:42] <psyatw> yeah, but last year it didn't rain as much as it has this summer
[07:42] <psyatw> I wouldn't mind working in germany but I'm worried about my skills
[07:43] <charl> if you find some good java / devops related jobs let me know
[07:43] <psyatw> I think I got some offers by e-mail
[07:43] <charl> what have you done for your cv? i just created it using http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/nl/documents/curriculum-vitae
[07:43] <psyatw> I used the same
[07:43] <charl> ah good
[07:43] <psyatw> it looks professional
[07:43] <charl> my cv isn't very long, it's about a page in length right now
[07:44] <psyatw> oh really
[07:44] <psyatw> mine is 3-4 pages long
[07:44] <charl> i like it too, and that you can get it in multiple formats
[07:44] <charl> some recruiters want it in word format
[07:44] <psyatw> but I lack some technical skills
[07:44] <psyatw> yeah
[07:44] <charl> but it's mostly because they want to add their own cover letter for it (i think)
[07:44] <charl> although they of course give other reasons
[07:45] <psyatw> my big worry is that I don't like my current job and would prefer getting some junior programming job, but I don't know how to break into those
[07:45] <psyatw> and I don't want to get stuck doing support or sysadmin work for too long
[07:46] <psyatw> although a friend of mine told me he worked at ziggo as a sysadmin before and earned good money there
[07:46] <psyatw> now he is working at rackspace in london
[07:47] <charl> ziggo and rackspace are both good but expensive
[07:47] <charl> especially rackspace their pricing is sky high, i think they are pricing themselves out of the market
[07:47] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:47] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[07:48] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[07:48] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[07:50] <charl> psyatw: i'm curious, what do you find about cv lengths in europe (in ICT in particular)
[07:50] <charl> i used to have 2-3 pages but i found it actually worked against me
[07:50] <charl> so i cut it down to one 1-2 pages
[07:51] <psyatw> charl, I guess it is a good thing to only put your most relevant work experience in it, but that only happens if you've actually got experience
[07:52] <psyatw> my uncle has a cv that is some 8 pages long, that is a bit too much but it doesn't work against him as he gets hired by big companies anyway
[07:52] <charl> that's different, especially if you go for a job at the top
[07:52] <psyatw> as a contractor because he is an oracle and all-round database expert, though
[07:52] <charl> but if you're an "average" programmer
[07:53] <psyatw> yeah
[07:53] <charl> the problem with lots of ict folks is that they tend to be rather arrogant and eletist in their own way
[07:53] <charl> and they're very quick to say "oh look at this noob" just because you have some php experience listed
[07:53] <charl> lots of companies in NL are not especially very anti-php as of the last number of years
[07:53] <charl> they seem to think that if you have ever done anything in php you're basically an idiot
[07:54] <psyatw> I think it is actually harmful for them to think like that
[07:54] <charl> php might suck as a programming language but there were days where it was one of the best tools available
[07:54] <charl> yes i think so to
[07:54] <charl> *too
[07:54] <psyatw> it's not as if I've studied lots of things, but it never seems to be quite enough for you to get a certain job
[07:54] <psyatw> as if I've not studied*
[07:55] <psyatw> yeah
[07:55] <charl> yeah but companies also list their exact stack of software they *happen* to use
[07:55] <charl> and almost *every* single company has a slightly different stack of software
[07:55] <psyatw> ict studies really are a major time sink, because not only do you need to know programming languages but alos have experience with their software stacks
[07:55] <charl> so it's impossible for any programmer to know it all, even with 10+ years of experience
[07:55] <psyatw> yes indeed
[07:56] <psyatw> it's like looking for a needle in a haystack
[07:56] <psyatw> but they still persist in that kind of thinking
[07:56] <charl> i mean i have been in ict now for 10+ years and i still don't know everything, i only know the stuff that i happen to have come across
[07:56] <charl> so when i have a conversation with some potential employer, obviously the guy sitting on the other side of the table will know some stuff i don't
[07:56] <psyatw> how can you ever know everything there is to know?
[07:57] <charl> but to make up for it, i know a whole bunch of stuff that they don't, but it seems like you get judged based off what you don't know, and not what you know
[07:57] <psyatw> yeah
[07:57] <charl> yeah i get very frustrated, i hate applying for jobs, it's so bad i just want to stick to where i am :)
[07:58] <charl> but i'm sitting on a temporary contract right now, and it's my third year, so they either have to kick me out or make me permanent
[07:58] <psyatw> I wouldn't expect someone with 10+ years of programming experience for his/her job to be judged the same way someone who has never worked professionally as a programmer would be judged :) 
[07:58] <charl> i hear they are shortening it now from 3 years to 2 years maximum, i think it's a good thing
[07:58] <charl> yes i agree
[07:59] <charl> but yet it very often happens
[07:59] <psyatw> I think it will make you aware of the fact that nothing is permanent and you have to keep looking out for yourself
[07:59] <charl> yes
[07:59] <charl> but companies are also very comfortably riding this whole "temporary" thing
[07:59] <charl> it prevents them from having to think long term and build sustainable business
[08:00] <Symmetria> heh, the interesting thing is, most executives are on fixed term renewable contracts
[08:00] <Symmetria> in major corps
[08:00] <Symmetria> *especially* cXX's 
[08:00] <charl> well that means they have to change cXX every two years (here, in any case)
[08:01] <charl> unless there are exceptions made for people in certain positions, not sure
[08:01] <psyatw> charl, but I know for myself that I will never be comfortable working for others anyway, I just want to build some connections and get experience and certificates so I can start my own business together with a few friends from all over the world
[08:01] <Symmetria> charl, nah, those contracts are renewable 
[08:01] <Symmetria> executive contracts are typically structured like that 
[08:01] <Symmetria> and expat contracts are like that as well
[08:02] <charl> interesting
[08:02] <Symmetria> expat contracts are structured like that for work visa reasons
[08:02] <Symmetria> you give a guy a contract for as long as his work visa is valid for
[08:03] <Symmetria> renew it when his work visa is renewed 
[08:03] <Symmetria> almost impossible to give a guy a perm position when he's on a work visa that may expire
[08:03] <Symmetria> (like my contract with Liquid, its a 2 year contract)
[08:03] <charl> oh yeah that's a mess indeed
[08:04] <charl> but i guess that's the way it works when you're in a foreign country
[08:04] <Symmetria> heh the advantage of it is that an employee in that situation can generally demand more money
[08:04] <charl> i guess in the EU it's different because you don't need work visas in other EU member states
[08:05] <charl> although that's only for as long as the EU holds... if a country pulls out i don't know what will happen
[08:05] <charl> if you really want to live in a country long term, it's best to naturalise as a citizen first thing you get a chance
[08:05] <charl> especially if you have a wife and kids who are natives of that country
[08:20] <psyatw> does that also count if you are an EU citizen and live in one of the EU countries, though?
[08:53] <charl> i have no idea, the whole idea of "eu citizenship" is trash imho
[08:54] <charl> you're only an "eu citizen" for as long as your country remains part of the EU afaik
[08:54] <charl> i guess then it would be like in switzerland where you have favourable immigration terms but no real rights
[09:36] <Kilos> whats a better file manager than dolphin when copying lots of floppies
[09:36] <Kilos> dolphin gets to the stage where it opens one 16 times
[09:36] <Kilos> 14.04 kde
[09:37] <mazal> Jissie boet , ek is moeg gehardloop\
[09:42] <psyatw> I didn't know floppies were still in use
[09:43] <psyatw> charl, but then you would at least have some time to find a wife and get the same citizenship as hers
[09:43] <psyatw> hoi mazal
[09:44] <Kilos> lol thats why i got the job. sister in law has many years of saved photos on floppy and now wants to save them on new laptop which doesnt have a floppy thing so they bought me an external fd and gave me the job
[09:44] <Kilos> met wat mazal  ?
[09:45] <Kilos> i score a screen and the external floppy drive
[09:45] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[09:45] <mazal> Oom Kilos , met werk
[09:45] <Kilos> ai!
[09:45] <mazal> al 3 my sites het goed wat stukkend is
[09:45] <Kilos> oi
[09:46] <mazal> En 90% van dit is ander mense wat dit breek en ander mense wat ek voor wag om reg te maak
[09:46] <mazal> Maar almal kerm by my
[09:47] <Kilos> ai!
[09:47] <Kilos> maar jy is mos die IT man
[09:47] <mazal> Ja maar het te min se in wat gebeur oom
[09:48] <mazal> Dis die probleem
[09:48] <mazal> En het geen mannekrag nie
[09:48] <mazal> En is meer die " dirty work slaves "
[09:48] <Kilos> lol
[10:12] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[10:12] <Kilos> and whoever i missed earlier
[10:19] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:35] <inetpro> yikes!
[10:36] <inetpro> anybody else here who felt the tremor?
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro: that might've been me, but i had lunch so my tummy has quieted down now
[11:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry for the disturbance :P
[11:27] <charl> lol
[11:28] <Kilos> yip inetpro  was 5.3 tremor in orkney
[11:28] <Kilos> rattled the house here
[11:29] <nuvolari_> o.O
[11:29] <nuvolari_> aparently it was felt in Durbs too
[11:29] <nuvolari_> didn't feel anything here in Ballito
[11:30] <Kilos> wow orkney to durbs is far
[11:30] <Kilos> orkney is near ventersdorp iirc
[11:35] <Squirm> nothing here
[11:36] <Squirm> and heard a lady speaking from Ladysmith, nothing there either
[11:37] <Squirm> An earthquake with magnitude 5.3 occurred near Klerksdorp, South Africa at 10:22:34.90 UTC on Aug 5, 2014
[11:38] <Squirm> @eNCAnews #earthquake serious earthquake felt in klerksdorp. Schools evacuation
[11:38] <Squirm> wow
[11:38] <Squirm> ok...
[11:40] <spinza> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb000s0b3#dyfi
[11:41] <spinza> You can see who reported feeling it and where 
[11:42] <spinza> Also report of you felt it 
[11:42] <spinza> *if
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.reddit.com/r/southafrica/comments/2codmo/the_entirety_of_gauteng_just_had_an_earthquake/
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53299593.jpg <-- LMAO
[11:56] <Kilos> i hope it didnt spread the lava in minetest
[12:30] <mazal> I didn't feel it. Think because I was driving around that time
[12:42] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[15:01] <nuvolari> :O it's cause of you guys digging around with bots that the earthquake happened
[15:01] <nuvolari> :P
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:48] <magespawn> good evening
[15:49] <magespawn> ping Kilos
[16:31] <Kilos> hi mage
[16:31] <Kilos> ai!
[16:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[16:32] <Vince-0> 'eve
[16:42] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn send the heat man
[16:44] <magespawn> back again
[16:44] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:44] <Kilos> hi my magespawn hows you man
[16:44] <magespawn> good and you/
[16:44] <Kilos> sorry i was asleep earlier
[16:44] <Kilos> just cold
[16:44] <magespawn> no worries, i also got disconnected
[17:05] <Symmetria> heh so how hectic was the quake today
[17:05] <magespawn> apparently they felt it all the way down in durban
[17:07] <magespawn> in-laws are in the klerksdorp, the damage at their house was not too bad, but lots to clean up
[17:08] <Symmetria> need to check with my sister in midrand
[17:09] <Kilos> wasnt too bad here in pta by me, house just shook a bit and wondows rattled
[17:17] <Symmetria> man this utopia tv series is seriously MESSED UP
[17:20] <magespawn> have not seen it
[17:24] <Symmetria> hrm, wow, doing 100gigs a day of vlc downloads from the mirror
[17:24] <Symmetria> thats a fair bit more than the ubuntu downloads 
[17:26] <magespawn> what sort of vlc downloads? surely not the media player
[17:27] <Symmetria> yeah 
[17:27] <Symmetria> the media player
[17:27] <magespawn> wow 
[17:29] <Symmetria> the hitcount on the ubuntu mirrors are MUCH higher of course with machines checking for updates
[17:29] <Symmetria> Processed 2904209 records in 20 seconds
[17:29] <Symmetria> heh since the first of august 
[17:30] <magespawn> that is still impressive considering that vlc is about 30 Mb
[17:30] <Symmetria> so we're averaging around 580k hits every 24 hours for ubuntu
[17:30] <Symmetria> bout 7 hits a second average 
[17:31] <magespawn> that must look like DDOS in logstalgia
[17:31] <Symmetria> not really
[17:31] <Symmetria> http://logs.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/
[17:31] <Symmetria> :) you can look in chrome
[17:31] <Symmetria> thats live logstalgia 
[17:31] <Kilos> is it an official mirror Symmetria ?
[17:31] <Symmetria> kilos for vlc? yes 
[17:31] <Symmetria> for all of east africa
[17:32] <Kilos> oh not for buntu yet?
[17:32] <Symmetria> oh yeah that as well
[17:32] <Symmetria> we're official ubuntu for ke/tz/ug/rw/bi/sd/so 
[17:32] <Symmetria> oh and zm/zw
[17:32] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:33] <Kilos> i mean with it show in repos now
[17:33] <Symmetria> kilos it should, or if you just choose the country official mirror for any of the countries listed above it will use us
[17:34] <Symmetria> mage did you check that logstalgia link?
[17:34] <magespawn> busy watching now
[17:34] <magespawn> never get tired of looking at that
[17:34] <Symmetria> heh it looks most awesome in the mornings when people are getting to work and turning on their machines
[17:34] <Symmetria> then you see it going ballistic
[17:35] <Symmetria> lol lemme run an update at home and see if we can make it look fun
[17:35] <Symmetria> lol did you see that huge purple stream? that was an apt-get update at home :P
[17:35] <Symmetria> lets do an apt-get upgrade now
[17:36] <Symmetria> hehe that was cool :) 76meg of downloads in a second or 2
[17:36] <magespawn> pretty cool
[17:37] <Symmetria> heh its amazing how heavy logstalgia is generating that display though
[17:37] <Symmetria> I tried to generate it through a mesa implementation of opengl
[17:37] <Symmetria> instead of offloading it onto a video card in hardware
[17:38] <Symmetria> even with all the cpu power I could throw at it, it didn't come CLOSE to handling it
[17:38] <Symmetria> I actually wanna install something to see what its doing to my GPU 
[17:42] <magespawn> looks good from this side, are you running the logstalgia on your machine or on the server?
[17:43] <Symmetria> my machine, only thing with a powerful enough GPU to actually do this properly
[17:43] <charl> good evening people
[17:43] <magespawn> hey charl 
[17:43] <charl> hi magespawn, Symmetria , Kilos 
[17:43] <Symmetria> damn, its using 25% of my gpu doing that, and considering I'm running a 690 thats massive
[17:44] <Kilos> hi charl 
[17:44] <magespawn> sounds pretty heavy
[17:44] <Symmetria> heh magespawn well, a 690 is a pretty serious GPU to be eating 25% of it 
[17:46] <Kilos> ubuntu.mirror.ac.ke 
[17:46] <Kilos> is that it
[17:47] <Symmetria> kilos no, ke.archive.ubuntu.com or ubuntu-archive.mirror.liquidtelecom.com
[17:48] <Kilos> oi i got to find another country then that will show that
[17:48] <Kilos> that was the link next to kenya
[17:49] <Symmetria> huh, I install and tell it I'm in kenya
[17:49] <Symmetria> and it sets default to ke.archive 
[17:49] <Kilos> thats the only link i see for kenya
[17:50] <Symmetria> odd 
[17:50] <Symmetria> where does the tz one point you
[17:51] <Kilos> whats tz
[17:51] <Kilos> tanzania?
[17:51] <Symmetria> yeah
[17:52] <Kilos> mirror.aptus..co.tz
[17:52] <Kilos> speak to canonical again
[18:02] <Symmetria> heh will chat to them tomorrow 
[18:02] <Symmetria> where do you see the repo list anyway
[18:02] <Kilos> my select best server thing shows
[18:02] <Symmetria> cause I just see the official when you do the install 
[18:03] <Kilos> ubuntu-archive.mirrors.proxad.net
[18:04] <Kilos> in synaptic or update manager
[18:05] <Kilos> what ubuntu are you running Symmetria ?
[18:06] <Symmetria> 14.04 
[18:06] <Symmetria> but Im using server 
[18:06] <Symmetria> heh I just install telling it to use kenya mirror
[18:06] <Symmetria> and then run apt-get update
[18:06] <Symmetria> and it finds kenya
[18:07] <Kilos> ai!
[18:07] <Kilos> well tell canonical we dont get the choice
[18:07] <Symmetria> heh I'll speak to them soon as their is a vanguard on duty
[18:08] <Kilos> i dont know how to set or change mirrors from terminal
[18:10] <Symmetria> heh vi /etc/apt/sources.list ;p
[18:11] <magespawn> or vim
[18:12] <Kilos> ai! i see lots of mythic.beasts
[18:13] <Kilos> http://mirror.mythic-beasts.com/ubuntu/
[18:15] <Symmetria> thats the mirror your apt-get update will be using then
[18:15] <Kilos> yes
[18:16] <Kilos> it was the best one last week but not very fast at all
[18:17] <Kilos> our za mirror rocked a few months ago then just got sicker and sicker
[18:19] <inetpro> good evening
[18:19] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:42] <Kilos> grind daai chromium en koper ore ne!
[18:42] <Kilos> dan eers cook
[18:43] <Kilos> oops
[18:44] <Symmetria> kilos I've asked several times to be added to the za rotation but graham beneke refuses
[18:46] <Symmetria> and honestly, we should just feed za outta kenya because in terms of bandwidth, and tweaking, and server capacity, the ke mirror is better suited 
[18:46] <Kilos> why does he refuse?
[18:46] <Symmetria> heh he likes being the host for za and swears he has the capacity
[18:47] <Kilos> prove him wrong then, tell him may the best server win
[18:48] <Kilos> or speak to mark and ask him to make waves
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> evening all
[18:53] <Kilos> hi
[18:54] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:54] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:55] <charl> i wonder what the benefit is of using the mirror approach compared to debian's cdn approach
[18:56] <charl> i don't know what debian uses... anycast dns or split horizon dns
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> debian CDN uses the geodns patch for bind if i'm not mistaken
[18:56] <charl> probably
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> we have actually switched to http.debian.net
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://http.debian.net/ lists the reasons its better, i don't recall them offhand
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> just that we have had no issues since switching
[18:58] <charl> hmmm
[18:58] <charl> interesting
[19:56] <magespawn> good night all
[19:56] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[19:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[22:26] <Kilos> night guys.sleep tight