[05:00] morning [05:06] Morning everyone [05:36] hey mazal, Tonberry [06:32] hi nlsthzn ThatGraemeGuy and others [06:33] en mazal nuvolari_ inetpro [06:43] hi Kilos etc. [06:43] hehe [07:00] goeie more [07:02] http://pastebin.com/Trwc4Ufy <=== horrible code, but someone might have a use for it ;p [07:24] good morning inetpro, Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy, Symmetria [07:24] and mazal, Squirm [07:25] Symmetria: nice ! [07:25] you still have that logstalgia thing running ? [07:25] 'lo charl, inetpro, Symmetria [07:35] charl yeah [07:35] http://logs.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/ [07:37] hi Symmetria [07:37] hi charl [07:40] hi psyatw ! [07:41] :) [07:41] how's it going in poland [07:41] finally some really nice weather here in NL ... [07:41] poland is going strong [07:41] waited the entire summer for it :) [07:41] and the weather is great too [07:41] it's raining cats and dogs here today :D [07:41] haha [07:42] ah we traded weather :) [07:42] we had that a few days ago [07:42] it's time for me to start updating my cv, though [07:42] ah yes, i'm also busy looking around right now [07:42] yeah, but last year it didn't rain as much as it has this summer [07:42] I wouldn't mind working in germany but I'm worried about my skills [07:43] if you find some good java / devops related jobs let me know [07:43] I think I got some offers by e-mail [07:43] what have you done for your cv? i just created it using http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/nl/documents/curriculum-vitae [07:43] I used the same [07:43] ah good [07:43] it looks professional [07:43] my cv isn't very long, it's about a page in length right now [07:44] oh really [07:44] mine is 3-4 pages long [07:44] i like it too, and that you can get it in multiple formats [07:44] some recruiters want it in word format [07:44] but I lack some technical skills [07:44] yeah [07:44] but it's mostly because they want to add their own cover letter for it (i think) [07:44] although they of course give other reasons [07:45] my big worry is that I don't like my current job and would prefer getting some junior programming job, but I don't know how to break into those [07:45] and I don't want to get stuck doing support or sysadmin work for too long [07:46] although a friend of mine told me he worked at ziggo as a sysadmin before and earned good money there [07:46] now he is working at rackspace in london [07:47] ziggo and rackspace are both good but expensive [07:47] especially rackspace their pricing is sky high, i think they are pricing themselves out of the market [07:47] hi charl [07:47] hi Kilos :) [07:48] hi Kilos [07:48] hi psyatw [07:50] psyatw: i'm curious, what do you find about cv lengths in europe (in ICT in particular) [07:50] i used to have 2-3 pages but i found it actually worked against me [07:50] so i cut it down to one 1-2 pages [07:51] charl, I guess it is a good thing to only put your most relevant work experience in it, but that only happens if you've actually got experience [07:52] my uncle has a cv that is some 8 pages long, that is a bit too much but it doesn't work against him as he gets hired by big companies anyway [07:52] that's different, especially if you go for a job at the top [07:52] as a contractor because he is an oracle and all-round database expert, though [07:52] but if you're an "average" programmer [07:53] yeah [07:53] the problem with lots of ict folks is that they tend to be rather arrogant and eletist in their own way [07:53] and they're very quick to say "oh look at this noob" just because you have some php experience listed [07:53] lots of companies in NL are not especially very anti-php as of the last number of years [07:53] they seem to think that if you have ever done anything in php you're basically an idiot [07:54] I think it is actually harmful for them to think like that [07:54] php might suck as a programming language but there were days where it was one of the best tools available [07:54] yes i think so to [07:54] *too [07:54] it's not as if I've studied lots of things, but it never seems to be quite enough for you to get a certain job [07:54] as if I've not studied* [07:55] yeah [07:55] yeah but companies also list their exact stack of software they *happen* to use [07:55] and almost *every* single company has a slightly different stack of software [07:55] ict studies really are a major time sink, because not only do you need to know programming languages but alos have experience with their software stacks [07:55] so it's impossible for any programmer to know it all, even with 10+ years of experience [07:55] yes indeed [07:56] it's like looking for a needle in a haystack [07:56] but they still persist in that kind of thinking [07:56] i mean i have been in ict now for 10+ years and i still don't know everything, i only know the stuff that i happen to have come across [07:56] so when i have a conversation with some potential employer, obviously the guy sitting on the other side of the table will know some stuff i don't [07:56] how can you ever know everything there is to know? [07:57] but to make up for it, i know a whole bunch of stuff that they don't, but it seems like you get judged based off what you don't know, and not what you know [07:57] yeah [07:57] yeah i get very frustrated, i hate applying for jobs, it's so bad i just want to stick to where i am :) [07:58] but i'm sitting on a temporary contract right now, and it's my third year, so they either have to kick me out or make me permanent [07:58] I wouldn't expect someone with 10+ years of programming experience for his/her job to be judged the same way someone who has never worked professionally as a programmer would be judged :) [07:58] i hear they are shortening it now from 3 years to 2 years maximum, i think it's a good thing [07:58] yes i agree [07:59] but yet it very often happens [07:59] I think it will make you aware of the fact that nothing is permanent and you have to keep looking out for yourself [07:59] yes [07:59] but companies are also very comfortably riding this whole "temporary" thing [07:59] it prevents them from having to think long term and build sustainable business [08:00] heh, the interesting thing is, most executives are on fixed term renewable contracts [08:00] in major corps [08:00] *especially* cXX's [08:00] well that means they have to change cXX every two years (here, in any case) [08:01] unless there are exceptions made for people in certain positions, not sure [08:01] charl, but I know for myself that I will never be comfortable working for others anyway, I just want to build some connections and get experience and certificates so I can start my own business together with a few friends from all over the world [08:01] charl, nah, those contracts are renewable [08:01] executive contracts are typically structured like that [08:01] and expat contracts are like that as well [08:02] interesting [08:02] expat contracts are structured like that for work visa reasons [08:02] you give a guy a contract for as long as his work visa is valid for [08:03] renew it when his work visa is renewed [08:03] almost impossible to give a guy a perm position when he's on a work visa that may expire [08:03] (like my contract with Liquid, its a 2 year contract) [08:03] oh yeah that's a mess indeed [08:04] but i guess that's the way it works when you're in a foreign country [08:04] heh the advantage of it is that an employee in that situation can generally demand more money [08:04] i guess in the EU it's different because you don't need work visas in other EU member states [08:05] although that's only for as long as the EU holds... if a country pulls out i don't know what will happen [08:05] if you really want to live in a country long term, it's best to naturalise as a citizen first thing you get a chance [08:05] especially if you have a wife and kids who are natives of that country [08:20] does that also count if you are an EU citizen and live in one of the EU countries, though? [08:53] i have no idea, the whole idea of "eu citizenship" is trash imho [08:54] you're only an "eu citizen" for as long as your country remains part of the EU afaik [08:54] i guess then it would be like in switzerland where you have favourable immigration terms but no real rights [09:36] whats a better file manager than dolphin when copying lots of floppies [09:36] dolphin gets to the stage where it opens one 16 times [09:36] 14.04 kde [09:37] Jissie boet , ek is moeg gehardloop\ [09:42] I didn't know floppies were still in use [09:43] charl, but then you would at least have some time to find a wife and get the same citizenship as hers [09:43] hoi mazal [09:44] lol thats why i got the job. sister in law has many years of saved photos on floppy and now wants to save them on new laptop which doesnt have a floppy thing so they bought me an external fd and gave me the job [09:44] met wat mazal ? [09:45] i score a screen and the external floppy drive [09:45] hi Private_User [09:45] Oom Kilos , met werk [09:45] ai! [09:45] al 3 my sites het goed wat stukkend is [09:45] oi [09:46] En 90% van dit is ander mense wat dit breek en ander mense wat ek voor wag om reg te maak [09:46] Maar almal kerm by my [09:47] ai! [09:47] maar jy is mos die IT man [09:47] Ja maar het te min se in wat gebeur oom [09:48] Dis die probleem [09:48] En het geen mannekrag nie [09:48] En is meer die " dirty work slaves " [09:48] lol [10:12] ohi superfly [10:12] and whoever i missed earlier [10:19] hi Kilos [10:35] yikes! [10:36] anybody else here who felt the tremor? [11:26] inetpro: that might've been me, but i had lunch so my tummy has quieted down now [11:27] sorry for the disturbance :P [11:27] lol [11:28] yip inetpro was 5.3 tremor in orkney [11:28] rattled the house here [11:29] o.O [11:29] aparently it was felt in Durbs too [11:29] didn't feel anything here in Ballito === nuvolari_ is now known as nuvolari [11:30] wow orkney to durbs is far [11:30] orkney is near ventersdorp iirc [11:35] nothing here [11:36] and heard a lady speaking from Ladysmith, nothing there either [11:37] An earthquake with magnitude 5.3 occurred near Klerksdorp, South Africa at 10:22:34.90 UTC on Aug 5, 2014 [11:38] @eNCAnews #earthquake serious earthquake felt in klerksdorp. Schools evacuation [11:38] wow [11:38] ok... [11:40] http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb000s0b3#dyfi [11:41] You can see who reported feeling it and where [11:42] Also report of you felt it [11:42] *if [11:47] http://www.reddit.com/r/southafrica/comments/2codmo/the_entirety_of_gauteng_just_had_an_earthquake/ [11:49] http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53299593.jpg <-- LMAO [11:56] i hope it didnt spread the lava in minetest [12:30] I didn't feel it. Think because I was driving around that time [12:42] Bye everyone , have a nice evening [15:01] :O it's cause of you guys digging around with bots that the earthquake happened [15:01] :P [15:01] lol [15:48] good evening [15:49] ping Kilos [16:31] hi mage [16:31] ai! [16:31] hi Vince-0 [16:32] 'eve [16:42] hi nlsthzn send the heat man [16:44] back again [16:44] hey Kilos [16:44] hi my magespawn hows you man [16:44] good and you/ [16:44] sorry i was asleep earlier [16:44] just cold [16:44] no worries, i also got disconnected [17:05] heh so how hectic was the quake today [17:05] apparently they felt it all the way down in durban [17:07] in-laws are in the klerksdorp, the damage at their house was not too bad, but lots to clean up [17:08] need to check with my sister in midrand [17:09] wasnt too bad here in pta by me, house just shook a bit and wondows rattled [17:17] man this utopia tv series is seriously MESSED UP [17:20] have not seen it [17:24] hrm, wow, doing 100gigs a day of vlc downloads from the mirror [17:24] thats a fair bit more than the ubuntu downloads [17:26] what sort of vlc downloads? surely not the media player [17:27] yeah [17:27] the media player [17:27] wow [17:29] the hitcount on the ubuntu mirrors are MUCH higher of course with machines checking for updates [17:29] Processed 2904209 records in 20 seconds [17:29] heh since the first of august [17:30] that is still impressive considering that vlc is about 30 Mb [17:30] so we're averaging around 580k hits every 24 hours for ubuntu [17:30] bout 7 hits a second average [17:31] that must look like DDOS in logstalgia [17:31] not really [17:31] http://logs.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/ [17:31] :) you can look in chrome [17:31] thats live logstalgia [17:31] is it an official mirror Symmetria ? [17:31] kilos for vlc? yes [17:31] for all of east africa [17:32] oh not for buntu yet? [17:32] oh yeah that as well [17:32] we're official ubuntu for ke/tz/ug/rw/bi/sd/so [17:32] oh and zm/zw [17:32] ;p [17:33] i mean with it show in repos now [17:33] kilos it should, or if you just choose the country official mirror for any of the countries listed above it will use us [17:34] mage did you check that logstalgia link? [17:34] busy watching now [17:34] never get tired of looking at that [17:34] heh it looks most awesome in the mornings when people are getting to work and turning on their machines [17:34] then you see it going ballistic [17:35] lol lemme run an update at home and see if we can make it look fun [17:35] lol did you see that huge purple stream? that was an apt-get update at home :P [17:35] lets do an apt-get upgrade now [17:36] hehe that was cool :) 76meg of downloads in a second or 2 [17:36] pretty cool [17:37] heh its amazing how heavy logstalgia is generating that display though [17:37] I tried to generate it through a mesa implementation of opengl [17:37] instead of offloading it onto a video card in hardware [17:38] even with all the cpu power I could throw at it, it didn't come CLOSE to handling it [17:38] I actually wanna install something to see what its doing to my GPU [17:42] looks good from this side, are you running the logstalgia on your machine or on the server? [17:43] my machine, only thing with a powerful enough GPU to actually do this properly [17:43] good evening people [17:43] hey charl [17:43] hi magespawn, Symmetria , Kilos [17:43] damn, its using 25% of my gpu doing that, and considering I'm running a 690 thats massive [17:44] hi charl [17:44] sounds pretty heavy [17:44] heh magespawn well, a 690 is a pretty serious GPU to be eating 25% of it [17:46] ubuntu.mirror.ac.ke [17:46] is that it [17:47] kilos no, ke.archive.ubuntu.com or ubuntu-archive.mirror.liquidtelecom.com [17:48] oi i got to find another country then that will show that [17:48] that was the link next to kenya [17:49] huh, I install and tell it I'm in kenya [17:49] and it sets default to ke.archive [17:49] thats the only link i see for kenya [17:50] odd [17:50] where does the tz one point you [17:51] whats tz [17:51] tanzania? [17:51] yeah [17:52] mirror.aptus..co.tz [17:52] speak to canonical again [18:02] heh will chat to them tomorrow [18:02] where do you see the repo list anyway [18:02] my select best server thing shows [18:02] cause I just see the official when you do the install [18:03] ubuntu-archive.mirrors.proxad.net [18:04] in synaptic or update manager [18:05] what ubuntu are you running Symmetria ? [18:06] 14.04 [18:06] but Im using server [18:06] heh I just install telling it to use kenya mirror [18:06] and then run apt-get update [18:06] and it finds kenya [18:07] ai! [18:07] well tell canonical we dont get the choice [18:07] heh I'll speak to them soon as their is a vanguard on duty [18:08] i dont know how to set or change mirrors from terminal [18:10] heh vi /etc/apt/sources.list ;p [18:11] or vim [18:12] ai! i see lots of mythic.beasts [18:13] http://mirror.mythic-beasts.com/ubuntu/ [18:15] thats the mirror your apt-get update will be using then [18:15] yes [18:16] it was the best one last week but not very fast at all [18:17] our za mirror rocked a few months ago then just got sicker and sicker [18:19] good evening [18:19] hi inetpro [18:42] grind daai chromium en koper ore ne! [18:42] dan eers cook [18:43] oops [18:44] kilos I've asked several times to be added to the za rotation but graham beneke refuses [18:46] and honestly, we should just feed za outta kenya because in terms of bandwidth, and tweaking, and server capacity, the ke mirror is better suited [18:46] why does he refuse? [18:46] heh he likes being the host for za and swears he has the capacity [18:47] prove him wrong then, tell him may the best server win [18:48] or speak to mark and ask him to make waves [18:53] evening all [18:53] hi [18:54] hi ThatGraemeGuy [18:54] hi ThatGraemeGuy [18:55] i wonder what the benefit is of using the mirror approach compared to debian's cdn approach [18:56] i don't know what debian uses... anycast dns or split horizon dns [18:56] debian CDN uses the geodns patch for bind if i'm not mistaken [18:56] probably [18:56] we have actually switched to http.debian.net [18:57] http://http.debian.net/ lists the reasons its better, i don't recall them offhand [18:57] just that we have had no issues since switching [18:58] hmmm [18:58] interesting [19:56] good night all [19:56] night magespawn [19:56] sleep tight [22:26] night guys.sleep tight