[05:47] <Unit193> ochosi, bluesabre: (I guess this should go here) Due to lack of a better place for now, they are here: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/unit193-guest/xfce4-soundmenu-plugin.git/ - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/unit193-guest/libmpris2client.git/
[06:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can you sync xfce4-appfinder from exp?
[08:03] <ochosi> Unit193: o hey! thanks a bunch!
[08:03] <Unit193> Also, in ppa:unit193/xfce.
[08:04] <Unit193> Bleh, should likely have done -0ubuntu1 for them..
[08:07] <ochosi> trying it now
[08:07] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[08:07] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[08:08] <ochosi> how's it going?
[08:08] <elfy> ok thanks - week off :)
[08:08] <ochosi> \o/
[08:08] <ochosi> lucky you, so what are you doing sitting in front of the computer? :D
[08:09] <elfy> images are fubar atm bug 1352252
[08:09] <elfy> elfy's in his counting house counting out his money, finding that the lack of it is really rather funny
[08:09] <ochosi> hmm, i also had a hard time setting up my partitioning in utopic when i installed it on the weekend
[08:10] <ochosi> ooohh, you have a "counting house" just for that purpose?
[08:10]  * ochosi didn't know elfy was *that* rich
[08:10] <elfy> oh yes - it's always empty though :p
[08:10]  * elfy suspects that ochosi never heard that nursery rhyme and if he did it wasn't in english :p
[08:11] <ochosi> indeed
[08:12] <elfy> it's a standard English August day - cloudy and a bit chilly - so I'm doing as little as I can today 
[08:12] <ochosi> Unit193: oooh, sneaky! the soundmenu didn't actually build
[08:13] <ochosi> elfy: sounds like a sane goal for a day :>
[08:13] <ochosi> put that s*** on a t-shirt!
[08:13] <Unit193> ochosi: Dep-wait, I didn't wait long enough after firing up libmprisclient.  There's actually nothing wrong, give it a minute. :P
[08:13] <ochosi> ah, i see :)
[08:13] <ochosi> was just about to look at the build logs
[08:14] <Unit193> Didn't see the big Missing build dependencies: libmpris2client-dev? :D
[08:15] <elfy> ochosi: lol
[08:15] <ochosi> Unit193: well i didn't look in the end, since you threw out that spoiler! :]
[08:16] <Unit193> It's actually on the status page too.
[08:16] <ochosi> elfy: fwiw, utopic should soonishly have quite finalized gtk themes
[08:16] <ochosi> oh
[08:16] <elfy> ochosi: nice :)
[08:16] <ochosi> elfy: so from shimmer-themes 1.8.1 (or so) onwards, please let me know of any visual oddities you encounter
[08:16] <elfy> ok 
[08:16] <ochosi> apart from abiword, obviously that one always looks like crap
[08:17] <Unit193> ...And always gets purged before seen.
[08:17] <elfy> stop seeding abiword :p
[08:17] <elfy> lol @ Unit193 
[08:17] <ochosi> hehe, that'll be our next team vote then ;)
[08:18] <ochosi> (not kidding)
[08:18] <Unit193> Seeding network-manager has actually caused more problems for me (see my report on the tracker)
[08:18] <Unit193> ochosi: Eh, you wanting to put LO on? :/
[08:18] <ochosi> Unit193: hm which want?
[08:18] <elfy> beta 1 is in a few weeks - I assume we're still going to participate in those 
[08:19] <ochosi> Unit193: no, nothing, but i'll probably come up with a concept for that first
[08:19] <ochosi> elfy: yup, i'd say so
[08:19] <Unit193> ochosi: They're done, but not sure if you should copy them over.
[08:20] <elfy> ochosi: good - we need to do some milestones :)
[08:20] <ochosi> elfy: if there's anything in particular that i have to do about these things that i might not know, feel free to "remind" me
[08:20] <ochosi> especially with QA and releases i wasn't really so involved in the past
[08:20] <Unit193> elfy: FWIW, one of mine is on utopic now, so if I'm supposed to be looking for something..
[08:20] <ochosi> knome: the same goes for you ^ (i mean, "reminding" me of the duties i might not be aware of yet)
[08:20] <elfy> ochosi: not really, it's basically mark images as ready, have a release note ready, tell whoever's asking in -release where it is :)
[08:21] <ochosi> mkay, that sounds like work but do-able :)
[08:21] <ochosi> no idea how to mark images ready, but i'll come to you once it comes to that
[08:21] <ochosi> i guess the partitioner problem doesn't only affect us
[08:22] <ochosi> since it's part of ubiquity
[08:22] <elfy> .nope - that's everyone I'd assume
[08:23] <elfy> marking images is easy - the best thing to do is have the release notes almost done - then just fill in the major issues for us, the *buntu major issues get listed anyway
[08:23] <ochosi> oh good
[08:23] <ochosi> do we have any major issues so far that i might not be aware of?
[08:24] <elfy> not that I'm aware of - most of the big stuff was 14.04.1 sru's I tthink
[08:28] <Unit193> ochosi: Do you know if Andrew (asb) still is interested in helping Xubuntu in Debian?
[08:30] <ochosi> Unit193: hm, never knew anything about that
[08:30] <ochosi> elfy: cool, that's good to know
[08:30] <ochosi> well i guess more issues will pop up once we hit beta1 :)
[08:31] <ochosi> Unit193: and i don't think i've heard that name before
[08:31] <elfy> ochosi: it's getting people to look before the end of October :p
[08:32] <Unit193> If it helps, I may upgrade the netbook to utopic too.
[08:33] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, i was lagging a bit behind, now i at least have a vbox set up...
[08:35] <elfy> everything helps :)
[08:36] <Unit193> OK, the upgrade is just going to stink. :P
[08:39] <brainwash> is there even anything new in xubu utopic other than gtk appearance tweaks?
[08:40] <ochosi> brainwash: new power manager?
[08:40] <ochosi> there'll be a new display dialog, new release of xfwm4 etc
[08:40] <Unit193> xfwm+tabwin?
[08:40] <brainwash> :P
[08:42] <brainwash> people are still having issues with xfpm and logind overriding lid close events
[08:42] <brainwash> according to launchpad
[08:42] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, that one has been released meanwhile
[08:42] <ochosi> bbl
[08:43] <brainwash> so that's one thing which could be tested in utopic with xfpm 1.3.0
[09:28] <knome> ochosi, as if i had time to think about such ;)
[09:28] <knome> ochosi, i'll know afterwards when you didn't do something...
[09:33] <Unit193> knome: Know about the question about Andrew?
[09:34] <knome> no?
[09:34] <knome> tell me?
[11:01] <elfy> sigh, wish we didn't get old installer bugs coming back - bad enough to have current ones :|
[11:04] <Unit193> :/
[11:04] <Unit193> So can anyone here actually subscribe ~xubuntu-bugs to packages?
[11:04] <elfy> yea 
[11:05] <elfy> I've done that previously
[11:06] <Unit193> I don't seem to be able to here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar-dropbox-plugin/+subscriptions
[11:12] <knome> Unit193, probably has to do with the LP teams review
[11:13] <knome> ~xubuntu-team isn't an administrator for the bugs team any more
[11:13] <knome> i guess we should make -dev an administrator for that team
[11:13] <knome> ochosi, ^ ?
[11:13] <knome> and set owner to xubuntu project lead
[11:14] <Unit193> So for a trial, I created https://bitbucket.com/xubuntu/ so I wouldn't be storing stuff in my alioth user dir and consequently be the only one with commit access.  It's basically for packages that aren't going to Debian (right now), but if others think they have a valid use for it, works for me.
[11:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: I had you as admin, but only removed once I learned it'd email you on every git repo import, and didn't want to spam.
[11:15] <knome> Unit193, i guess with as social media stuff, it'd be good to have at least a few team people as admins
[11:15] <Unit193> He's "developer", which has a lot of access.  I just didn't want to spam his email.  I'm fine with others having admin.
[11:16] <knome> yeah, wasn't referring to the bluesavre situation ;)
[11:16] <knome> bluesabre too!
[11:16] <Unit193> :P
[11:16] <Unit193> I'm only aware of myself, Sean, and Thomas being on there.
[11:17] <bluesabre> I don't mind a ton of emails... I get that with ubuntu-release list
[11:18] <Unit193> Done, you be an admin.
[11:18] <bluesabre> woo!
[11:29] <brainwash> sound menu plugin? a replacement for the unity sound menu?
[11:30] <brainwash> any screenshots? :)
[11:30] <Unit193> Looking at the blueprints I see only the panel switch and lightdm-settings applications to create, were we going to try out any other packages?
[11:30] <Unit193> brainwash: https://github.com/matiasdelellis/xfce4-soundmenu-plugin/releases has a couple.
[11:31] <brainwash> ah, so it's more like a sound actionbar
[11:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: I think that's all.
[11:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks.  Is skippy on the list somewhere/how?
[11:40] <bluesabre> Unit193: what is skippy again?
[11:41] <Unit193> Same type of thing xfdash is, only perhaps better(citation needed)
[11:41] <bluesabre> ah
[11:42] <bluesabre> suppose I'll need a list of things that I need to upload to ubuntu
[11:42] <bluesabre> :)
[11:43] <Unit193> Going over the packaging, it'll need a little updating.
[11:43] <bluesabre> ok
[11:44] <bluesabre> trying to get shimmer-themes uploaded this morning, but I'll be around for a while tonight
[11:44] <Unit193> Saw my ping about appfinder?
[11:45] <bluesabre> yes
[11:45] <Unit193> Great.
[11:53] <Unit193> Hrm, only git snapshots.  I'll ask if he plans to do a beta or release next time he's online.
[12:40] <bluesabre> shimmer-themes uploaded, bbl
[12:40] <Unit193> Nice.
[12:57] <Unit193> ochosi: If you want the soundmenu in ~extras: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/test/+packages?field.name_filter=libmpris - https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/test/+packages?field.name_filter=xfce4
[13:07] <ali1234> that's different to the sound plugin andrzejr was working on?
[13:11] <Unit193> I don't believe he was working on this one.
[13:13] <Unit193> I didn't know that he was working on one, much less what one.
[13:46] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, that's different. it started out as an mpris2 controller for the panel, but now he added pulseaudio volume control to it
[13:47] <ochosi> Unit193: thanks, copying now
[13:48] <Unit193> Sure.
[14:23] <ochosi> knome: do *you* wanna work on an accessibility version of greybird?
[14:24] <ochosi> i'm just asking cause i guess that workitem is a candidate for postponing, don't think i'll get to that at all
[14:44] <knome> ochosi, can't do any promises on whether i'll have time, but sure, it's generally a target i can help reaching
[18:11] <ali1234> ochosi: btw, while i was away the past two weeks i was using xubuntu on my laptop, and i found it doesn't resume properly from suspend
[18:11] <ali1234> it wakes up okay, i get the lock screen, enter password, then a black screen
[18:11] <ali1234> then i have to restart lightdm
[18:12] <ali1234> so looks like a light-locker problem? i'm using all vanilla 14.04 packages so maybe you already fixed this?
[18:13] <knome> it ought to be fixed in .1 
[18:13] <knome> so if you have all updates, you should be fine
[18:23] <ali1234> looks like i'm up to date
[18:45] <brainwash> but the user has to change something manually for existing accounts
[18:45] <brainwash> to fully fix this problem
[18:46] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1303736/comments/163
[18:52] <brainwash> should unfinished stuff from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-14-04-point-1 be moved to point-2?
[18:58] <brainwash> moreover, can we unlink the ibus bug report? ibus has been dropped and there is no indication that it will return in 14.04.x
[19:23] <knome> brainwash, i think it's still warranted
[19:43] <Unit193> So, are we going to keep a hard dep on *-gtk-theme from shimmer-themes?
[20:01] <ali1234> brainwash: yes that works thanks
[20:10] <elfy> mmm
[20:11] <elfy> so they now want to test 12.04.4 upgrade to 12.04.5 anyone got any time :|
[20:12] <elfy> not sure that using a vm for kernel and xorg enablement stack will cut it either 
[20:12] <Unit193> Everything I have is 14.04+
[20:12] <elfy> yep
[20:15] <elfy> oh good god - there's only alternate testing available - I've not got 4 hours for an install and an upgrade for that 
[20:16] <Unit193> I didn't even think we opted in for .5.
[20:17] <elfy> that'll help enormously ... 
[20:17] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2014-August/002969.html
[20:17] <elfy> I can tell them we're not interested ;)
[20:21] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-February/thread.html#38042 Wrong as always, I don't see a reply.
[20:22] <elfy> mmm 
[20:22] <elfy> well that's one of those threads isn't it - not sure who ALL of them are - but a fair few are paid by canonical - easy decision in those shoes
[20:23] <elfy> we can blame ochknomsi 
[20:23] <Unit193> Good plan!
[20:24] <elfy> I'm going offline till Friday - it's an SEP now 
[20:24] <ali1234> what needs to be done?
[20:25] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[20:25] <elfy> Unit193: so ... "No kernel modules found" when I try to install the alternate
[20:25] <Unit193> >_<
[20:26] <Unit193> Pretty sure it doesn't like your hardware, then.
[20:26] <Unit193> Keeps doing that. :D
[20:26] <elfy> ali1234: supposedly we're partaking in the 12.04.5 upgrade thing - but I can find no information on whether we are or not ... 
[20:26] <elfy> Unit193: this is just a vm 
[20:27] <ali1234> assuming we are, what needs to be tested? install 12.04.4 then try to upgrade it to 12.04.5?
[20:27] <elfy> ochosi knome - are we or are we not partaking in 12.04.5 upgrade 
[20:27] <elfy> ali1234: yea - alternate is the only testing option though
[20:27] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/320/builds
[20:27] <ali1234> hmm i don't understand... how do you upgrade with an iso?
[20:28] <elfy> image then
[20:28] <elfy> testcase for whole drive upgrade is http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateWhole
[20:29] <knome> ali1234, burn a disc (or have an USB stick) and basically use it as a software repository
[20:29] <elfy> knome: do you remember if we said we'd participate ?
[20:29] <elfy> cos I don't
[20:30] <ali1234> knome: that can only work with the alternate iso anyway right?
[20:30] <knome> don't think we've SRU'd much since .1...
[20:30] <knome> ali1234, no, works with the regular ISO as well
[20:31] <elfy> but the real querstion is are we doing this or not ?
[20:31] <knome> do we get the HWE stack or not?
[20:32] <knome> if not, then .5 [20:32] <elfy> I've no idea knome 
[20:32] <knome> me neither
[20:32] <Unit193> I'll check.
[20:32] <knome> cheers Unit193 
[20:32] <Unit193> I don't think so.
[20:32] <elfy> we appeared to test .4 
[20:33] <knome> elfy, yeah, but we landed the docs SRU for that
[20:33] <knome> right? :)
[20:33] <elfy> sounds right to me
[20:33] <Unit193> Uhhhh.
[20:33] <knome> now we haven't landed anything
[20:34] <Unit193> We have 3.13 modules with a 3.2 kernel...
[20:34] <knome> huh
[20:35] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/BGSKeuQgvguT2aW6uRNz
[20:35] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-February/006526.html
[20:36] <Unit193> Oh duh, I see.
[20:36] <knome> right
[20:36] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-February/006529.html
[20:36] <Unit193> It's got modules for several, but I don't personally know why.
[20:36] <knome> mhmh
[20:37] <elfy> so - we're not bothered by this then
[20:37] <knome> yep
[20:37] <knome> in that case we don't want the .5 ISO's built for xubuntu at all
[20:37] <elfy> knome: remove from list ?
[20:38] <elfy> will that stop build? or just stop reporting? 
[20:38] <knome> talk with somebody technical :)
[20:38] <knome> there might be some reasons to keep building
[20:38] <elfy> :)
[20:38] <knome> but my gut feeling is that it's mostly in vain
[20:38]  * skellat must have had a good day at work to have snuck in a mailing list reply
[20:38] <knome> or completely
[20:39] <Unit193> Indeed.
[20:39] <knome> and clearly, i've had a more clear vision of what is happening then than now ;)
[20:40] <elfy> knome: I asked infinity
[20:41] <knome> okay
[20:41] <elfy> who says ask stgraber ... 
[20:41] <knome> well done
[20:42] <elfy> [21:41] <infinity> elfy: If you weren't using HWE stacks (were you?), there's no real reason for you to do the point release.
[20:42] <elfy> [21:41] <infinity> elfy: If you were, though, you don't really want to leave your users with the "current" precise ISO being unsupported.
[20:42] <elfy> Unit193 knome - we definitely are not using them ?
[20:43] <knome> don't take my word for it :P
[20:43] <knome> but i'm pretty sure now that i saw my own email
[20:43] <elfy> I've not - I'll stop panicking now :)
[20:43] <knome> using them would have meant broken PAE support in point releases
[20:43] <elfy> [21:42] <infinity> Yeah, you weren't.  Just double-checked.
[20:43] <elfy> [21:42] <stgraber> elfy: ok, so I'll remove any build you have and that'll be it. Thanks for letting me know.
[20:43] <knome> great :)
[20:44] <elfy> rather glad I saw that -release mail now and not tomorrow morning ... 
[20:44] <knome> heh
[20:44] <skellat> That would've been a point release to nuke from orbit
[20:45] <elfy> ali1234: thanks for the offer to get hands dirty - appreciate that a lot :)
[20:47] <elfy> respinning 
[20:48] <elfy> bad enough that the unicorn is uninstallable atm without anything else ... 
[21:03] <knome> ok, off, bbl
[21:03] <Unit193> G'bye.
[21:07] <brainwash> just realized that ubuntu + spins do/did have serious lock screen issues recently
[21:10] <brainwash> luckily not security related in xubu 14.04.0 :)
[21:12] <brainwash> Unit193: remember the incomplete screen lock in lubuntu 13.10? it never got fixed...
[21:12] <Unit193> Pah, really?  I thought it was at one point. :P
[21:13] <Unit193> Oh dear.
[21:15] <brainwash> by the way.. xmir dead? :)
[21:15] <Unit193> No, no it's not.  utopic just pulled in some libs. :(
[21:16] <brainwash> that's not a bad thing, or?
[21:16] <Unit193> brainwash: Remember, I kind of follow the releases, but you likely know more.
[21:16] <Unit193> Meh, I'd prefer everyone on Wayland (in the future).
[21:17] <brainwash> I did follow the progress somewhat.. but lost track of it due to the lack of news about it
[21:17] <brainwash> and sloooow bug fixing
[21:18] <brainwash> because a software cursor is just a no-go, maybe they managed to fix this in the meantime
[21:18] <elfy> it is also an SEP at the moment
[21:18] <brainwash> sep?
[21:18] <elfy> someone else's problem
[21:19] <brainwash> luckily
[21:19] <Unit193> Meh, I rebuilt ISOs for 0.5.0, 0.5.1 is out now though.
[21:23] <brainwash> so we keep ignoring it for now
[21:24] <Unit193> Basically, except I'll still do an ISO every so often.  knome recommended me talk to oll i, but not sure why exactly.
[21:24] <Unit193> It's sure not landing in utopic.
[22:02] <Unit193> There it is, Mythbuntu isn't doing .5 either.
[22:02] <Unit193> Studio?
[22:02] <elfy> not as far as I know
[22:03] <elfy> I think it is just ubuntu and kubuntu 
[23:39] <bluesabre> Unit193: problem with shimmer-themes?  Isn't that how meta-packages usually work?
[23:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: Well, as an added feature it might be possible to remove them, but shimmer-themes depends on all of them, which xubuntu-artwork (thus xubuntu-default-settings) do as well.
[23:41] <bluesabre> ah... it was more for the purpose of being able to install only one if somebody chose to do so (ubuntu-gnome)
[23:41] <bluesabre> or xubuntu-core could just pull greybird, etc
[23:41] <Unit193> I was more asking at the time what Xubuntu's plan was with it.
[23:41] <Unit193> xubuntu-core still pulls -default-settings, so all.
[23:42] <bluesabre> ah ok
[23:42] <bluesabre> current plan is: let me know if something needs to change
[23:42] <Unit193> (x-d-s is kind of what makes Xubuntu, Xubuntu.)
[23:42] <bluesabre> :)
[23:42] <Unit193> Oh bah, you're the tech lead!  I'm following.
[23:46]  * bluesabre looks for packages that need packaging
[23:47] <Unit193> Not more! /o\
[23:53]  * bluesabre starts with xfce4-appfinder