[00:14] * ahoneybun wants to use maybe wordpress to theme it up [00:50] Riddell: hello [00:59] ahoneybun: look at the trello and get active [00:59] I want things to look nice and be easy to use [00:59] * valorie goes off to spend evening with dad === aaron1 is now known as ahoneybun [01:53] sgclark: Where in Virginia are you going? [01:59] ScottK: Richmond -> Fredricksburg [02:00] Ah. Not so far from me. [02:00] I live between Baltimore, MD and DC. [02:00] Nice :) I used to live in Richmond for 5 years [02:00] cool! yeah visiting friends [02:04] Any interest in trying to coordinate key signing? [02:05] That would be cool, would have to see to using their car, exchange numbers? [02:06] cell numbers, I would have to contacct you there [02:08] I think next Friday would work out best as we have a gap with no plans. [03:24] sgclark: http://megamanzerofan.deviantart.com/art/Kubuntu-14-04-1-473446247 [03:25] nice! [03:28] any idea what dock that is ahoneybun? [03:33] that is my screenshot btw and the dock is plank [03:34] cool thanks :) [03:35] yep :) you can see I'm looking forward to plasma 5 [03:36] yeah I have been slammed with releases, I hope to get some ported apps packaged after all these trips :) [03:37] plasma5 is pretty stable as is , just few apps that take advantage of the frameworks [03:43] sgclark: you have been on fire (I still get emails about launchpad) [03:46] lol yeah I have been busy! [03:49] sgclark: very nice work btw (even with my limited coding/packaging) [03:52] ahoneybun: thanks! I have learned alot, but still have alot to learn lol [03:54] sgclark: that is with almost everything in life [03:54] true :) [04:12] okies I am off for the night, have a great night all [06:44] agateau: You neglected to bump the version of kapidox in setup.py for 5.1.0, fyi. [06:57] * ScottK has enough of wrangling kf5 packaging into building in the right order and goes to bed. [08:04] thanks ScottK [08:04] ScottK, agateau: usually the release dude does much of that === toscalix_ is now known as toscalix [08:43] \o === lordieva1er is now known as lordievader [09:01] I am getting error kubuntu 14.10 plasma 5 [09:01] http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/08/05/IMG20140805194727.jpg [09:01] 14.04 upgrade on [09:02] ok all updates [10:01] <20WAAZ37M> What is the most stable version? I want to use it for official purposes. It should be relible when it comes to networking, ipsec-vpn, audio-video communication using skype or hangout. [10:01] 20WAAZ37M: user support in #kubuntu where you'll probably be advised to use 14.04 LTS [10:07] <20WAAZ37M> @Riddell thanks for the help. I hope that kubuntu 14.04 LTS will not malfunction like ubuntu when it comes to UI interactions [10:09] I hope so too [10:14] ScottK: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119632/ [10:39] I just removed a few packages from the archive that use nepomuk, I wonder if that'll help the transition === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [10:54] 'Morning folks [11:31] i see sddm update but probably it wont work anyway ? [11:33] huh? [11:33] it should [11:33] soee_: WFM [11:34] shadeslayer: it never worked before for me :D [11:34] report a bug? [11:34] do you have debug logs [11:34] so that we can have a look [11:34] well elt me try to switch and try again [11:42] sddm fails as usual :) [11:42] sddm.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7969696/ [11:43] in this log there are no 2 lines i see before sddm should load, some PCH error [11:44] soee: how are you running it? [11:44] can you start it with : sudo sddm [11:44] make sure that you don't have other Xorg / SDDM processes [11:45] shadeslayer: i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure [11:45] and from list lightdm, sddm im picking sddm [11:45] reboot and fail [11:45] ah ok [11:45] hm [11:45] please report upstream [11:45] i have to grap this error message i see on the screen [11:46] it is not in any logs sadly [11:46] soee: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/new plz [11:56] back got the error message :) [12:05] shadeslayer: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/255 [12:13] also, where should i report the kdinit5 crash issue when connecting to wifi (networm manager of plasmashell or)? [13:39] soee: against kinit would be my guess [13:39] I'm disappointed by the amount of poking kf5 seems to need in the archive [13:39] soee: does the report bug button not work? [13:40] shadeslayer: through gui ? [13:40] soee: yes [13:40] shadeslayer: i can try it one moment :) have to finish one conversation [13:41] Riddell: poking? [13:41] apachelogger: clicking retry in launchpad for failed builds [13:41] Riddell: why do the builds fail? [13:42] because there's dependency errors, but they get picked up as build failures on dep wait [13:42] pft lunchpad [13:42] Riddell: I think we have a scripty for retries [13:43] like why is this failed to build instead of dep wait https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio/5.1.0a-0ubuntu1/+build/6244023 [13:43] anyway, time to go retro and test precise candidates [13:43] Riddell: it's an indrect dep-wait [13:43] script it [13:43] alternate images! [13:43] its deps are met [13:43] the deps of the deps are not xD [13:43] but yeah, just script it [13:44] although I am not sure how to script this efficiently without having to manually maintain a list of frameworks [13:44] perhaps the list should be created on upload [13:44] we do manually maintain a list of frameworks [13:44] Riddell: :O [13:44] but we have automated that too [13:44] that sounds wrong [13:44] with kf5-package-names (and kdesc-package-names) [13:44] apachelogger: just do a ls on depot.kde.org [13:45] that probably would be best [13:45] so hot ... [13:45] who? [13:45] that's what it does [13:45] apachelogger: the weather [13:45] ./kubuntu-retry-builds --kf5 does the retries [13:46] Riddell: put it on a 30 minute cron? [13:46] ^^ [13:46] or rather ./kubuntu-retry-builds --kf5 --force [13:46] exit condition all frameworks i386 and amd64 built I guess [13:46] although that still would cause holdup on migration I think [13:46] eitherway I'd cron it [13:47] you could make the dev package arch:any, wouldn't that be easier? [13:47] doesn't it have to be that anyway? [13:47] depends on what is inside [13:47] well, yeah [13:48] also that wouldn't necessarily solve the problem [13:48] sddm also does not start on my PC [13:48] it would solve the kio issue ^ at least, no? [13:48] e.g. if there was a data package with arch:all that is a dep [13:48] ah, true [13:48] stuff would still fail, albeit less likely [13:49] someone implement dose-builddepcheck in launchpad [13:49] someone rewrite launchpad in c++ please? :) [13:50] on that note [13:50] anyone looked at the upgrader port yet? [13:50] too boring, use ocaml [13:50] apachelogger: reviewing now [13:50] I'd like to get that out of the way soonishy [13:50] do I get chocolate [13:50] for doing that [13:50] "lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error" oh great, ./kubuntu-retry-builds doesn't like me [13:51] not really. Launchpad doesn't like you, that's a difference ^^ [13:52] or the script does things too fast [13:52] it crashed on the first retry [13:52] look at this python, it's too fast [13:53] anyone able to confirm ./kubuntu-retry-builds --kf5 --force fails? [13:54] yep [13:54] BluesKaj: able to test any 12.04.5 candidate images? [13:54] soee: ↑ ? [13:54] well manual clicky retries it is [13:55] Riddell: in VB for example? [13:55] yep [13:55] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/320/builds [13:55] Riddell: sure, im off in 1 hour but if not now tham later ~ 21:00 cet [13:55] lovely [13:56] lordievader: able to help out? [13:57] ok downloading 64bit version, will test it first [13:58] Riddell, yes I have a partition ready to go [13:58] great [13:58] may be an idea to click tests as In Progress on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/320/builds to prevent duplication [13:59] not that duplication is a bad thing, I often don't click In Progress on purpose [13:59] ok which image needs testing, Riddell ? [14:00] I'm looking at the 64bit desktop atm [14:00] "on purpose" he said xD [14:01] Riddell: In the evening yes, now I'm at work. [14:01] lordievader: lovely [14:02] Riddell: New Precise images right? [14:02] * Riddell grabs the two alternate images [14:03] buenos dias sgclark [14:03] good morning [14:04] we're having a 12.04.5 testing party [14:04] sounds like fun. 12.04.5? wat dat? [14:04] old school LTS from a couple of years ago getting a bugfix release [14:04] backporting 14.04 RC is on the todo list for someone who wants a serious challenge [14:06] I like challenges. Is there a time constraint? I may run out of time this week [14:06] 14.04 rc? [14:06] 4.14 RC [14:06] there version numbers are so confusing! [14:06] they're too similar! [14:07] * shadeslayer is revu'ing [14:07] Riddell: and when 4.14 for utopic ? :) [14:07] *RC [14:07] you could just say the new kde sc rc :P [14:07] sgclark: 4.14 final tars are due a week today so if the backport doesn't get done by then it'll be time to move on but it still means the next one gets done quicker [14:07] yofel: Riddell http://paste.ubuntu.com/7970697/ [14:08] review plz [14:08] uh, put that in can_retry() please, that's the point of it [14:08] or wait.. [14:09] * yofel looks how that thing works again [14:09] Riddell: and by backport - backport to trusty or this ancient LTS? [14:09] yofel: there's a check missing for if the package was already built [14:09] sgclark: to trusty [14:09] Riddell: all retried [14:10] Riddell; ok I will take on that challenge [14:10] yofel: and can't go in can_retry because you only pass log and arch [14:10] shadeslayer: put print statement inside that if ? [14:10] shadeslayer: why would it matter if the package was already built? [14:10] yofel: causes oops if you try to rebuild a package that was already built [14:10] if it built fine then the buildstate will catch that [14:10] apparently not [14:10] not too impressed with partition manager in 14.10. It doesn't see any partitions, just the disk [14:11] yofel: I don't think the script catches that state [14:11] sgclark: I think you'll need to make a kdesc-packages-utopic-unstable-backport.txt file [14:11] kdesc-packages-trusty-unstable-backport.txt rather [14:11] shadeslayer: hm, well, okay [14:11] stupid launchpad [14:12] ^^ [14:14] Riddell: fixed [14:14] Riddell: might want to cron it on your PC [14:14] sgclark: then in backport-hooks/unstable you want to copy over any saucy hooks from backport-hooks/stable that are relevant, or adapt them [14:15] ok [14:16] sgclark: then README has some info on kubuntu-batch-backport [14:16] apachelogger: what's with the + QApplication.processEvents() [14:16] * sgclark reads [14:16] apachelogger: in the diff [14:16] sgclark: as ever it's not brilliantly documented so you can add to README with anything it misses [14:16] apachelogger: plz be adding comments [14:16] ok [14:18] shadeslayer: about the processevents that is not worthwhile :P [14:19] technically every function needs that [14:19] because qapp doesn't drive the event loop but glib does [14:19] so whenever possible we should poke the qapp to process stuff or nothing will ever be processed [14:19] it's much lovely design [14:19] @_@ [14:20] apachelogger: and shouldn't it be self.app calling process events [14:21] Riddell: lsb-release -rd should show Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS not Kubuntu ? [14:23] +# FIXME: what's the purpose? [14:23] xD === dodger is now known as Guest40959 [14:26] hmm i thought this iso shoudl have latest updates, but there is one listed after apt-get update: libgpgme11 [14:27] apachelogger: dude [14:27] apachelogger: +<<<<<<< TREE [14:27] soee: yeah [14:27] apachelogger: you have merge markers inside the diff [14:28] apachelogger: plz be fixing [14:28] soee: check launchpad, it's probably new today [14:28] one more question, in VB i have set 2 partitions for / and /home [14:29] sudo sfdisk -l shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7970828/ [14:29] is it fine ? [14:30] in Dolphin i see only this 2 iv created [14:31] soee: how did you do partitioning in the installer? [14:32] just created 2 partitions from the emty space [14:34] shadeslayer: where? [14:34] ah [14:35] launchpad sure is peculiar [14:35] Riddell: do the partition question is the only one i have, if its ok i can mark test as passed [14:36] soee: yeah go ahead, we'll watch out for it on other installs [14:41] who remembers, do we do the lts enablement for lts? [14:44] ok 12,04.5 LTS amd64 about to be installed ...bbiab [14:44] "candidate" [14:46] Riddell: I think I should tell you picking the auto installer on the 14.04.1 installer crashed [14:46] ahoneybun: ubiquity crashed? [14:47] yea I had to do manual partition and that worked [14:47] ahoneybun: if you can get it to crash then run ubuntu-bug ubiquity [14:48] I'm already installed [14:48] ok 2 tests done, ill do more later [14:48] thanks soee [14:48] alternates are a big screwed, we'll rebuild those [14:51] Riddell: Thanks. [14:51] (re kapidox version) [14:52] sgclark: Next time you update kapidox, ping me and I'll upload your version to Debian and sync it to Ubuntu. [14:54] ScottK: oh is debian taking our kf5 packages now? [14:54] did they sort out extra-cmake-modules? [14:54] I took that one. [14:54] ah [14:55] Maxy was looking into some others. [14:55] kapidox is really a Python application that's used for KDE development, so it's a bit of a different deal. [14:55] ScottK: ok [15:08] New 12.04.5 candidate alternates are up! [15:10] !testers | ↑ [15:10] ↑: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket for information [15:38] Riddell: ok I see the pattern here. To clarify, the only way I see to determine what needs to be in hook is to try and build it first? I have looked at the saucy and none of those apply. I noticed rm *.symbols does it generate new ones? [15:38] sgclark: nah it just removes them, we know there's no ABI compatibility issues so no point with the faff [15:40] sgclark: yes that main way to know what hooks are needed is to upload to the PPA and see what breaks [15:40] upload to ninjas I guess [15:40] ok [15:40] sgclark: check if there's a different version of boost needed, thats a common one [15:41] what is libboost-dev in trusty vs utopic [15:42] 54 trusty 55 utopis, ok thanks [15:42] s/utopis/utopic [15:48] shadeslayer: http://doctorwhococktails.wordpress.com/ [15:49] :O [15:50] spotify is giving me shitty soongs [15:50] halp [15:51] whiskey [15:51] whiskey in all them drinks [15:51] apachelogger: we should do one of those at Randa [15:51] or well, attempt [15:51] the spoiler looks trivial [15:52] I find this a little racist [15:52] especially because you mis-spell whisky [15:52] the blog mis-spells it [15:57] shadeslayer: trivial... [15:57] I don't have any of the ingredients do you? :P [15:57] apachelogger: I hear there are these things [15:57] called shops [15:57] where you can exchange paper thingums called money for alcohol [15:57] good, then I trust you can organize the stuff :P [15:58] or maybe ask mario, then we don't need to schlepp two bottles of booze across europe :P [15:59] ^^ [15:59] already doing [16:02] apachelogger: 40 minute trip to next town and we can acquire alcohol [16:02] of any sorts [16:02] xnox: do your magic proposed migration skills know why kde4libs and all the kde sc 4.13.97 friends won't migrate? [16:02] I'll bring my bike then, wait what :P [16:03] apachelogger: 40 minute train ride [16:03] xnox: only thing I can see is I can't install apper from proposed, although if I install apper packagekit it works [16:03] apachelogger: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Randa,+Switzerland,+Switzerland/Zermatt,+Switzerland/@46.0070746,7.7395643,3135m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x478f37f6875d6053:0x400ff8840196ea0!2m2!1d7.7817871!2d46.098641!1m5!1m1!1s0x478f35a2292ee5cd:0x400ff8840196f70!2m2!1d7.7479372!2d46.0210726 [16:03] right [16:03] but [16:03] isn't zermatt like expensive [16:03] idk, ask unormal [16:03] the only chance I'll have to buy alcohol would be at ZRH [16:04] apachelogger: are we meeting at the train station btw [16:04] shadeslayer: I dunno [16:04] I guess [16:04] shadeslayer: do you wanna do sightseeing or shit like that? [16:04] such indecisiveness [16:04] apachelogger: idk, anything to see? [16:04] anything *good to see [16:05] dunno, I am not much of a sight fan [16:05] it's pretty dull to me, like all central european cities [16:05] also not particularly cheap to do much of anything IIRC [16:06] brmm [16:06] zurich.com shows me cool things [16:07] apachelogger: http://www.freewalkzurich.ch/ [16:07] there's a hill one can look at [16:07] there's a tower one can look at [16:07] there's a lake one can look at [16:07] there's a bunch of buildings one can look at [16:08] there's a bunch of churches one can look at [16:08] wait [16:08] shadeslayer: pub tour [16:08] that sounds more interesting :P [16:08] haha [16:08] at 9 in the morning [16:08] makes sense [16:09] well [16:09] there's plenty of reasons to drink [16:11] so anywho, sightseeing doesn't seem very interesting except for random wandering around to find coffee [16:11] that's what I always do anywhere walk from one coffee shop to the next [16:12] shadeslayer: one could probably consider a trip to the lake, then again there too the options are drinking lots of coffee xD [16:13] FWIW, I'm hunting through and doing retries to get various KF5 stuff to build. [16:13] ScottK: kubuntu-retry-build might be helpful [16:13] automation ftw [16:13] someone put it on a cron already :S [16:13] sgclark: Does it know about kf5? [16:14] Oops [16:14] shadeslayer: ^^^ [16:14] ScottK: yes [16:14] as I said when we did 5.0 ... if we spend more time than it takes to update the symbols file we probably are doing somthing wrong and have a scaling problem [16:14] true [16:14] Also, since it's ~all powerpc and arm64, I'm somewhat loath to do mass givebacks where we are short of builder resources. [16:15] ScottK: it's pretty smart, it should check if deps are satisfiable [16:15] ScottK: they do block migration though, don't they? [16:15] They do. [16:15] shadeslayer: OK. I'll look into it. [16:15] shadeslayer: across architectures? [16:15] apachelogger: I think so [16:16] that would indeed be a smart thing then :) [16:16] also then you can definitely put it on a 5minute cron [16:16] if not, it should then [16:16] agreed [16:16] it's a bit tricky tho [16:16] I think you cannot query binary units from lunchpad api [16:16] for build in source.getBuilds(): [16:17] you can get each build on the source [16:17] yeah but you can't get the actual binary units of the build [16:17] binary units? [16:17] debs [16:17] getPublishedBinaries [16:17] no? [16:17] dunno [16:17] archive.getPublishedBinaries() that is [16:17] for source units there definitely is no way [16:18] wat, getPublishedSources [16:18] sources = archive.getPublishedSources(distro_series=lpseries, exact_match=True, status="Published", pocket=pocket, source_name=package) [16:18] shadeslayer: that's not the same thing [16:18] that's a source object [16:18] then I'm not sure what you want :) [16:18] you cannot get from there to the url of the source files [16:18] eitherway [16:18] I think that wouldn't help much anyway [16:19] you'd need to look at deps of debs and then resolve [16:19] so to get this working reliably and efficiently you'd probably want to go through apt [16:21] ah hm [16:21] yeah [16:22] at which point you've replicated launchpad's mechanism [16:22] of course I can't remember the name of the tool we used last cycle to do separated apt instances [16:22] shadeslayer: yup [16:22] perhaps fixing launchpad would be more fruitful :P [16:22] ^^ [16:22] dunno the code complexity involved though [16:27] ugh is there a way to pass the password for the keyring on pull-ppa-source? [16:29] I think [16:29] I think it uses some keyring thingy for me [16:29] but I've never worked out what [16:29] it looks gnomey [16:29] possibly installing gnome-keyring makes it work? [16:29] I seem to have that installed [16:31] too late for this round, will try next time [18:06] I have a hacked pull-ppa-source on my server with credfile support [18:07] maybe we should just implement that properly in the script [19:11] sgclark: how did you get on? [19:12] Riddell: well the script only download the stuff and did nothing more. I am trying to debug, but entering my password every five seconds is driving me batty so distracted by that atm [19:13] gnome-keyring did nothing [19:16] hmm the Live sesion shoul duse language i selected in ubuquity ? [19:18] If it's available [19:19] hmm, i have picked Polish, ubiquity interface chnaged but when live session booted i have english [19:19] Riddell: Precise i386 is fine :D [19:19] so im not shure if is hould report it as a bug [19:20] Riddell: any suggestion/opinion ^ ? [19:22] lordievader: can you do a WUBI test for 64 bit somehow ? [19:23] soee: polish probably isn't on the image [19:24] lordievader: great [19:24] Riddell: ok thanks [19:25] soee: No, unfortunately not. The only Windows I have is on a production machine. [19:25] Riddell, 12.04.5 desktop amd 64bit seems ok so far, no crashes or freezes [19:26]