[00:12] <mgodzilla> lubuntu 14.04.  remmina rdc to window 2008 server.  server view from lubuntu client is ugle.  colors saturated, icons distorted.
[00:12] <mgodzilla> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1920318
[00:13] <mgodzilla> color depth didn't really do anythin' for me.
[00:13] <mgodzilla> any other thoughts or sugegestions?
[00:14] <wxl> mgodzilla: remmina handles multiple protocols. should i assume rdp?
[00:14] <mgodzilla> i'm sorry wxl - i'm n00b to this.
[00:14] <mgodzilla> yeah, rdp.
[00:15] <wxl> mgodzilla: did you try any other rdp clients? that would be the first test. if none of them provide any help it might be on the server side :)
[00:15] <wxl> mgodzilla: if you're command line friendly, try rdesktop
[00:15] <mgodzilla> oh?
[00:15]  * mgodzilla googles
[00:15] <mgodzilla> thx. wxl :)
[00:16] <wxl> mgodzilla: also to sort of side step your problem, you might try using no machine instead
[00:16]  * wxl can't remember if it's in the repos
[00:16] <wxl> !search nomachine
[00:16] <wxl> bah
[00:16] <mgodzilla> ah.  the app. is call nomachine?
[00:16] <wxl> hold on i'll link you in a sec
[00:16] <wxl> https://www.nomachine.com/
[00:16] <mgodzilla> thank you again.
[00:16] <wxl> i don't think it's in the repos
[00:17] <wxl> but it's available for windows, os x, linux, mobile
[00:17] <wxl> we used to use rdp for remote access at work and switched to nomachine and several things that didn't work now work wonderfully
[00:17] <mgodzilla> oh wow.  record a desktop session.  i like that.
[00:17]  * wxl nods
[00:17] <mgodzilla> nice.  thanks for the tip :)
[00:17]  * mgodzilla hug
[00:18] <wxl> before rdp we were using logmein which is $$$ but nice and nomachine is free and has many of those same features
[00:18] <wxl> XD
[00:21] <absk007> why does sound mutes when screen is locked? How to stop this behaviour?
[00:32] <absk007> What's the difference in power saving over perf.? http://i.imgur.com/ifjkwOK.png
[01:44] <holstein> absk007: power saving will be preferred over performance
[01:53] <swift110> Hey all
[01:56] <swift110> How r u hyperAir
[01:57] <hyperair> fine thanks
[01:59] <swift110> Good
[01:59] <swift110> What motivated u to use lubuntu?
[02:01] <holstein> lubuntu is a nice light base for most any work flow
[02:02] <swift110> Thats cool
[02:03] <swift110> I was using puppy on a ten year old machine and i decided to try lubuntu on a separate hdd since i have so many of them
[02:09] <holstein> puppy is lighter.. at a cost
[02:09] <swift110> Yes i know
[02:10] <swift110> Holsten can u elaborate please
[02:10] <holstein> !tab
[02:11] <holstein> the way puppy loads into ram is faster.. but that is a compromise... and the ubuntu base and package system that is "heavier" about lubuntu is a feature.. lubuntu is a balance
[02:38] <swift110> Hmmm
[02:43] <swift110> What are other benefits
[02:43] <anarkhos> what
[02:51] <swift110> Ok
[02:52] <hyperair> swift110: i don't.
[02:53] <hyperair> swift110: i use ubuntu myself, but that's because i want a fully featured desktop without compromising on anything.
[02:54] <swift110> Oh ok
[02:54] <swift110> I need something light enough to use with 512 mb ram
[02:54] <hyperair> lubuntu is light enough to use on 512MB ram.
[02:54] <hyperair> in fact, the older versions of ubuntu proper were light enough to use on 512MB RMA
[02:55] <hyperair> RAM*
[02:55] <hyperair> just stick with 32-bit
[02:55] <hyperair> the 64-bit version will use more memory. not as much as double, but easily 25-50% more
[03:00] <swift110>  I see
[03:01] <swift110> Lol i thought of upgrading to 1 gb but i want what i have to be put to.usr
[03:01] <swift110> Use
[03:11] <holstein> swift110: 2 or 4 gb's is pretty standard these days.. id say, max out the capacity in the box.. its likely quite cheap these days to do so
[03:12] <holstein> fact: nothing software makes the hardware any "better" or "faster".. you can just use less resources, and lubuntu is a nice balance for that.. many more heavy, and many more light
[03:58] <ianorlin> I have used lubuntu on a box with 512 mb of ram it is useable and have gotten job interviews after applying for jobs on it
[09:29] <swift110> Helo all
[10:40] <Aison> hello
[10:40] <Aison> where are the xorg settings stored in lubuntu 14.04?
[10:40] <Aison> I detached one monitor but lightdm still loads two screen
[10:40] <Aison> so I cant see the login window
[10:41] <Aison> can I reset that somehow? /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not present
[11:01] <phillw> Aison: if you need xorg, you need to install it.
[11:02] <Aison> xorg is installed :P but the settings are completely strange
[11:02] <Aison> I can move out with the mouse over the screen borders
[11:06] <phillw> Aison: have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/217758/how-to-make-an-xorg-conf-file
[11:07] <Aison> thx
[11:10] <donglewifi> hello there, got some trouble with my dongle wifi
[11:12] <donglewifi> could u give me a hand?
[11:13] <hateball> !detail
[11:13] <hateball> oh come on ubottu
[11:13] <hateball> !details
[11:13]  * yz3pD gives donglewifi a hand
[11:17] <donglewifi> here we are, sorry I was away
[11:18] <donglewifi> I've got pastebin ready for use
[11:18] <donglewifi> lsusb shows that the dongle is connected
[11:18] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/jS31pQEm
[11:19] <hateball> donglewifi: What is the actual issue?
[11:19] <donglewifi> I cannot connect to the internet/don't see any wireless
[11:19] <donglewifi> I am connecting now with LAN
[11:20] <donglewifi> temporarily
[11:20] <hateball> donglewifi: Are you on 14.04?
[11:20] <phillw> donglewifi: what version of lubuntu are you using?
[11:20] <donglewifi> I am not completely sure
[11:20] <donglewifi> I guess is 14.04
[11:21] <donglewifi> How can I quickly check?
[11:21] <hateball> donglewifi: "lsb_release -a"
[11:21] <hateball> donglewifi: Can you check under Preferences - Additional drivers, if there's some firmware to download for the chipset?
[11:21] <donglewifi> thanks hateball , yep, I confirm it's 14.04
[11:22] <phillw> donglewifi: If you have 14.04, then do an update which will pull in the fix for nm-applet
[11:22] <donglewifi> I have done it earlier, I'll do it again if helps
[11:22] <phillw> donglewifi: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:22] <hateball> Googling suggests it uses rt2800 which I know broke for me in some kernel version...
[11:22] <hateball> Well the module works, just firmware binary is outdated and wont load
[11:23] <donglewifi> do you reckon?
[11:23] <donglewifi> I have downloaded two tar packages
[11:23] <donglewifi> followed some instructions, but made it worse :(
[11:23] <donglewifi> so, I am pretty desperate
[11:24] <hateball> donglewifi: if you do "lsmod|grep rt" does it show rt2800 ?
[11:25] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/ZwcTX7c3
[11:25] <phillw> donglewifi: also look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Tenda_W311M#rt2800usb_driver
[11:25] <donglewifi> nothing relevant I assume
[11:25] <donglewifi> I had a look phillw , thanks anyway
[11:25] <hateball> donglewifi: nope. how about all of lsmod
[11:26] <hateball> if you have loaded some other module perhaps
[11:26] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/tmwmDPE8
[11:26] <hateball> donglewifi: and links to the "some instructions" would be helpful as well I guess
[11:26] <donglewifi> ok
[11:26] <donglewifi> sorry, I forgot to do it
[11:27] <donglewifi> http://lkubuntu.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/how-to-compile-rt2870sta-successfully/
[11:27] <hateball> doesnt look like any modules for wifi are loaded at all
[11:27] <donglewifi> I did what this guy was saying, but made it worse
[11:28] <donglewifi> to begin with I could see wireless, and it tried to connect to the wifi, but didn't work.  Now I cannot see anything at all
[11:28] <donglewifi> It's weird isn't it?
[11:29] <hateball> not really very weird
[11:29] <donglewifi> right, that's good then
[11:29] <hateball> what you've done is blacklist rt2800usb which is the module you need, and instead loaded rt2870sta
[11:29] <hateball> so that needs to be undone
[11:30] <donglewifi> I thought there were to many blacklisted things
[11:30] <donglewifi> How can I do this?
[11:30] <hateball> donglewifi: you can "sudo nano /etc/modules" and comment out the rt2870
[11:31] <donglewifi> ok, i see, but 3 of them
[11:31] <hateball> likewise in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf you scroll to the end and remove the modules you blacklisted
[11:31] <hateball> donglewifi: three of what? rt2870sta? perhaps you ran the thing 3 times?
[11:31] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/rge7YrfQ
[11:32] <hateball> just comment out or remove them all
[11:32] <donglewifi> ok
[11:32] <hateball> not lp tho
[11:32] <donglewifi> ok
[11:32] <donglewifi> :D
[11:33] <donglewifi> I did delete those three but I cannot see any save document anywhere..
[11:34] <donglewifi> what should I press?
[11:34] <donglewifi> just quit?
[11:34] <phillw> Ctrl and X
[11:34] <hateball> ^
[11:34] <donglewifi> is askink what file name to write
[11:35] <phillw> donglewifi: kust press enter
[11:35] <phillw> s/kust/just
[11:35] <donglewifi> ok, thanks
[11:36] <donglewifi> ready for the next step
[11:36] <phillw> nano will always suggest to save as the file name you opened
[11:36] <phillw> donglewifi: reboot :D
[11:36] <hateball> donglewifi: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[11:36] <hateball> needs to be edited as well, if you have not yet done that
[11:36] <phillw> ouch, has he not that yet...
[11:37] <phillw> too many cooks.... hateball I'll leave him in your capable hands :)
[11:37] <donglewifi> :)
[11:37] <hateball> :)
[11:37] <hateball> phillw: well hang around :p
[11:37] <hateball> I am at work, so who knows how much time  Ihave
[11:38] <donglewifi> thanks hateball, I am really thankful of your time helping me
[11:39] <hateball> I know how much of a PITA these chipsets are
[11:39] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/cDSGWVDt
[11:40] <donglewifi> btw, i downloaded a zip file called: RT2870_Firmware_V22.zip
[11:40] <donglewifi> do I need this?
[11:41] <hateball> donglewifi: hopefully not. save it for now unless you need the space
[11:42] <phillw> Yeah, I know tell people to just get http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-150Mbps-USB-WiFi-Wireless-Adapter-150M-LAN-Card-802-11n-g-b-2dbi-Antenna-UK/271048274239?_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140721095842%26meid%3D8864319498041210802%26pid%3D100103%26prg%3D20140721095842%26rkt%3D4%26clkid%3D8864322381674458025&_qi=RTM1793565
[11:42] <hateball> donglewifi: well, it would be sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[11:42] <hateball> sudo being your way of elevating your rights, nano being the editor, and the rest being the file to edit
[11:44] <phillw> hateball: he could also use gksudo leafpad /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf if he's not familiar with nano (and no telling a new comer to use vi :P )
[11:44] <donglewifi> thanks, this is the result: http://pastebin.com/7JGLqg9E
[11:44] <donglewifi> (actually I am using gedit :D )
[11:45] <hateball> phillw: Yeah I know, just didnt want to switch editors midway :p
[11:45] <hateball> besides, knowing how to use a cli editor comes in handy...
[11:45] <hateball> donglewifi: oh man :D
[11:46] <hateball> donglewifi: well. that's not a good looking file. remove everything from line 56 and down
[11:46] <donglewifi> (with dark colour scheme) :D
[11:46] <donglewifi> ok boss
[11:46] <donglewifi> done
[11:46] <hateball> Then save the file, and now we can reboot the machine. Still not done however.
[11:47] <donglewifi> ok, I kinda thought that, but it's a step forward :D
[11:47] <donglewifi> see ya soon
[11:50] <donglewifi> ok, now I am at the previous stage before the mess
[11:50] <hateball> donglewifi: alright, let's check first with "lsmod|grep rt" if it loaded rt2800 by itself this time
[11:51] <donglewifi> I can see everything now but obviously the wireless doesn't wor
[11:51] <donglewifi> k
[11:51] <donglewifi> ok
[11:51] <hateball> donglewifi: You can see networks now, but not connect, is that correct?
[11:51] <donglewifi> yep, that's correct hateball
[11:52] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/08iMuBmp
[11:52] <hateball> donglewifi: Now do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" and after that check in the additional drivers again
[11:53] <donglewifi> ok, so I do the same: lsmod|grep rt?
[11:54] <hateball> donglewifi: no no
[11:54] <donglewifi> i did update and upgrade
[11:54] <hateball> donglewifi: in preferences -> software -> additional drivers
[11:54] <donglewifi> it seems there was nothing new added
[11:54] <hateball> (I think, not on lubuntu atm)
[11:54] <donglewifi> alright
[11:54] <hateball> but it's in there someplace
[11:55] <donglewifi> yep found it
[11:55] <donglewifi> then?
[11:55] <hateball> Does it show any additional things to install?
[11:55] <hateball> Or well, enable
[11:56] <donglewifi> Ehm it seems that the Nvidia Geforce
[11:56] <hateball> Yes I saw you were using nouveau, it's up to you if you want the proprietary driver or not
[11:56] <hateball> But... it would be nice if there was mention of the wifi stuff
[11:56] <donglewifi> actually, that's another problem I had :D
[11:57] <donglewifi> I have a graphic card, but am using the integrated one because started to not show the screen
[11:57] <donglewifi> anyway
[11:58] <donglewifi> there is nothing about wireless
[11:59] <hateball> donglewifi: if you do... "dmesg | grep rt2" does it show anything about failing to load firmware?
[12:00] <donglewifi> it seems to be something like 'disabling', i'll paste it in a second
[12:00] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/t27uQesB
[12:01] <donglewifi> what's this 'AP'
[12:02] <donglewifi> it seems that here lies the problem
[12:05] <hateball> it does seem it could be related to that network manager bug phillw spoke of
[12:05] <hateball> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1104476
[12:06] <hateball> donglewifi: what is the output of "modinfo rt2800usb" ?
[12:06] <hateball> starting to run out of both ideas and time
[12:08] <hateball> it's weird, the id for the device you pasted suggested it was 3072, yet according to dmesg it is 3071
[12:08] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/dK3gaB3x
[12:09] <donglewifi> :( that's really odd
[12:16] <donglewifi> however, to tell you the full story, I had it working in Ubuntu.  Then I wanted to get Lubuntu because of its lightweight and that's it :)
[12:17] <hateball> donglewifi: is the package linux-firmware installed? I guess it is
[12:17] <phillw> donglewifi: hateball wifi stuff is done in core. not by lubuntu
[12:17] <donglewifi> ehm, I am not sure
[12:18] <donglewifi> can I check?
[12:18] <hateball> phillw: yes?
[12:18] <donglewifi> how? :D
[12:19] <phillw> donglewifi: how did you install lubuntu?
[12:19] <hateball> phillw: well, it could be some freaky depend on ubuntu-desktop vs lubuntu-desktop in this case, but even that is doubtful
[12:19] <hateball> anyhow!
[12:19] <donglewifi> I deleted ubuntu and installed from usb
[12:19] <hateball> donglewifi: apt-cache policy linux-firmware
[12:20] <hateball> should say if it's installed
[12:20] <phillw> hateball: I want the instal usb checking, usb writers are creating bad images that leave you in the land of 'silly errors'.
[12:21] <phillw> boot from usb and run the self test.
[12:22] <donglewifi> I am really sorry phillw , but I don't know what self test is
[12:23] <donglewifi> do you mean I should use the same usb pen that I used to install Lubuntu?
[12:23] <hateball> let's not get sidetracked :|
[12:23] <donglewifi> (there is something you should know, the pc is 64 bit but I have installed a 32 bit OS, does this matter?)
[12:24] <hateball> no
[12:24] <donglewifi> ok
[12:24] <donglewifi> phew!
[12:25] <hateball> donglewifi: what does "ls -lashv /lib/firmware|grep rt28" say?
[12:25] <hateball> because that's where the rt2870.bin firmware should be... if the linux-firmware package is installed
[12:25] <donglewifi> http://pastebin.com/kQUm4pGP
[12:27] <phillw> donglewifi: when you boot from USB stick, it offers an option the "Test CD", I'd like that done.
[12:27] <donglewifi> ok
[12:27] <donglewifi> i will do it asap
[12:27] <donglewifi> see you in a wee while
[12:27] <donglewifi> thanks
[12:27] <donglewifi> guys
[12:28] <hateball> everything looks fine, I don't even know
[12:37] <swift110> Hey
[12:50] <phillw> wb donglewifi how is it now?
[12:50] <donglewifi> it did not give any errors
[12:51] <donglewifi> so I assume nothing wrong with the installation#
[12:52] <phillw> donglewifi: it is still possible, so do a boot with the usb stick and get it to check itself
[12:53] <donglewifi> sorry phillw , could you explain what check itself mean?
[12:55] <phillw> donglewifi: when the usb boots, it offers a couple of options.. one of them is "Check CD", this also works on the USB
[13:03] <donglewifi> I just did that
[13:03] <donglewifi> no issues encountered
[13:04] <phillw> donglewifi: good news, does wifi work?
[13:05] <donglewifi> not yet my friend :(
[13:05] <phillw> do you have the nm-applet ?
[13:57] <Glorfindel> I am live booting lubuntu 14.04 on a dell latitude D820 and it doesn't recognize the wifi card
[13:57] <Glorfindel> It is an intel
[13:58] <phillw> Glorfindel: re-boot and do self test (it is in the boot screen)
[13:59] <Glorfindel> ok
[14:07] <swift110> Hello
[14:15] <comics_idees> is there any good new programm for lubuntu?
[14:22] <holstein> comics_idees: for what? you can fire up any ubuntu live CD and look at what is in the repos for 14.04 and see what is "new"
[14:24] <phillw> comics_idees: or, you can be a real man and test 14.10 :P
[14:24] <comics_idees> 14.10 is not lts
[14:25] <holstein> comics_idees: what software are you interested in?
[14:25] <comics_idees> for desktop pc
[14:25] <comics_idees> anythins
[14:25] <comics_idees> anything useful
[14:25] <holstein> comics_idees: if you are interested in "new", you'll want to go with the latest releases, and likely not stay on the LTS's.. ubuntu is not a rolling release
[14:25] <phillw> comics_idees: you want new stuff and LTS????.... Massive fail
[14:25] <phillw> holstein: +1
[14:25] <holstein> comics_idees: for what use? there are literally thousands of packages in the repos.. what are you trying to do?
[14:26] <comics_idees> for better video, graphics etc
[14:26] <comics_idees> better use of cards
[14:26] <holstein> comics_idees: "better" video what? you mean, 3d grahpics drivers?
[14:27] <comics_idees> no better use of existing old video card
[14:27] <holstein> comics_idees: you can always ask the creators of the cards for "better" software.. its really ultimately up to them to support the products they create.. *all* of linux is open, and every company is able to and encouraged to support the devices they create
[14:28] <comics_idees> yes ok
[14:28] <holstein> comics_idees: there will likely never be better support for older cards.. quite possibly, they fall into the "legacy" category and actually dont get support
[14:29] <holstein> comics_idees: be sure you check with your manufacturer and see what policy they have on linux support, and if they do not officially support linux, you can test upcoming releases and drivers and report bugs officially
[14:29] <holstein> !bug
[14:29] <holstein> also, anything that steam suggests should have the latest GPU drivers..
[14:29] <holstein> !steam
[14:30] <holstein> though, ppa's are not officially supported, they do provide a way to add more recent drivers to your system for GPU's.. though, on older hardware, that is likely not the concern..
[14:30] <holstein> comics_idees: what is your concern with your graphics? are you trying to get 3d and not able to? are you trying to play games? and cannot?
[14:31] <comics_idees> no I want to watch video
[14:31] <comics_idees> and causes problems
[14:31] <holstein> comics_idees: what video?
[14:31] <comics_idees> for example dvdrip
[14:31] <holstein> comics_idees: you dont need graphics drivers to watch video.. what video? where?
[14:31] <holstein> comics_idees: dvdrip is *not* a video.. thats an application
[14:31] <comics_idees> in an lubuntu software
[14:31] <holstein> comics_idees: are you trying to watch a DVD you ripped? where? in what?
[14:32] <holstein> comics_idees: lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. all lubuntu software is in the main ubuntu repos..
[14:32] <holstein> comics_idees: what video are you having what trouble with?
[14:32] <comics_idees> for any kind of video, divx avi etc
[14:32] <comics_idees> it is not good play
[14:33] <holstein> comics_idees: not "good"? or not playing at all? what makes you think this is related to your graphics hardware support?
[14:33] <comics_idees> it plays the video but it makes pauses and freezings
[14:33] <holstein> comics_idees: what are the specs of the system? could be, you are on lagacy hardware that may not provide you the funtionality you seek in linux
[14:34] <comics_idees> my graphics card is very old
[14:34] <holstein> comics_idees: i would try to remove the driver from the equation.. i would use a vesa driver and test.. you can force a vesa driver easily with a custom xorg.conf
[14:34] <holstein> comics_idees: sure.. but, nothing in software will make your graphics card any newer..
[14:34] <comics_idees> what is a vesa driver
[14:35] <comics_idees> another problem is that I cannot play google earth
[14:35] <holstein> i would try the vesa driver, and test.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 try it with this resolution and test.. dont even bother configuring it
[14:35] <holstein> comics_idees: google earth requires 3d
[14:35] <comics_idees> it says graphics card does not support 3d
[14:35] <holstein> comics_idees: sure.. so you dont get google earth support from your hardware vendor for linux
[14:36] <holstein> comics_idees: you dont get 3d support
[14:36] <comics_idees> however i play google earth in same pc but not in lubutu
[14:36] <comics_idees> I play google earth windows version
[14:36] <sgo11> hi, what can cause /etc/fonts/local.conf not working? thanks.
[14:36] <holstein> comics_idees: sure.. you are guaranteed 3d support from the vendor for windows.. there is likely a little sticker on the box that guarantees windows support..
[14:37] <holstein> comics_idees: you can have the same support from them for *any* operating system that can run on the hardware.. linux, or whatever.. but they have only promised you windows support
[14:37] <sgo11> my lxterminal uses Monospace font. but that is wrong. It's not the one I configured in /etc/fonts/local.conf. this is weird. This never happens before.
[14:37] <comics_idees> I dont know if it has 3d but it works in windows but not in lubuntu
[14:37] <holstein> comics_idees: you stated it does *not* have 3d support
[14:37] <comics_idees> yes
[14:38] <comics_idees> but I dont know if windows needs 3d
[14:38] <comics_idees> maybe it does not need
[14:38] <holstein> comics_idees: "works in windows" is irrelevant, since, they promised you windows would work on the hardware.. they never promised you linux woul
[14:38] <holstein> would*
[14:38] <holstein> comics_idees: its not that windows needs it.. its the google earth *requires* it..
[14:39] <holstein> comics_idees: so, in windows, where the manufacturer has provided you a driver with 3d support, google earth works.. in linux where you are responsible for driver support, its not working
[14:39] <holstein> comics_idees: what graphics chip do you have? have you tried any proprietary drivers?
[14:39] <comics_idees> I use lubuntu in 2 different pcs
[14:40] <comics_idees> one has a  ati radeon 9000/9100
[14:40] <comics_idees> graphics card
[14:40] <holstein> comics_idees: is that the one we are talking about?
[14:40] <comics_idees> yes
[14:40] <holstein> comics_idees: or, both dont do 3d?
[14:40] <comics_idees> both
[14:40] <holstein> comics_idees: have you tried the proprietary driver? on either?
[14:41] <comics_idees> I am not sure
[14:41] <holstein> comics_idees: do you know what a proprietary driver is? the manufacturers do provide drivers for linux in many cases
[14:41] <comics_idees> yes but where is the ati radeon 9000/9100
[14:41] <comics_idees> driver
[14:41] <comics_idees> I cannot find it
[14:42] <comics_idees> and how to install it
[14:42] <holstein> comics_idees: what have you tried? the driver is in the repos.. you *can* find it..
[14:42] <holstein> !ati
[14:42] <holstein> comics_idees: in many cases, you dont need it.. but, the proprietary driver is likely the only chance for providing 3d support.. and if you have not tried it, try it
[14:43] <holstein> comics_idees: is the other device ati as well?
[14:43] <comics_idees> no I dont checked it
[14:43] <comics_idees> I must check the other
[14:43] <holstein> comics_idees: well, i would focus on one machine at a time, and as always, have data backed up and read up on installing and removing the driver modules
[14:45] <suncokret> does anybody use xombrero browser?
[14:45] <holstein> comics_idees: keep in mind, a team of professionals were hired to make sure windows works on that hardware.. you are basically taking that task on yourself for linux support..
[14:45] <comics_idees> hm ok
[14:47] <holstein> and, if the vendor has not made it easy for linux support, it may not be easy, or possible.. there are many devices that do not get 3d support in linux.. though, steam coming to linux has really helped.. i would follow any advice you read in the steam community for driver support
[14:47] <holstein> !steam
[14:49] <comics_idees> so what is steam?
[14:49] <comics_idees> should I install steam client to pc?
[14:49] <holstein> comics_idees: no.. i didnt say that at all
[14:49] <phillw> !steam | comics_idees
[14:50] <holstein> comics_idees: what im saying is, steam is a gaming application that requires 3d. and they also now support linux.. so, anything they have documented will be relevant to you
[14:51] <comics_idees> so if I install steam it might prompt to download some drivers that I need
[14:53] <holstein> comics_idees: no, i did not say that
[14:53] <holstein> comics_idees: no need to go installing steam, or another other applications.. there is *no* piece of software that is going to magically make your hardware supported
[14:54] <holstein> comics_idees: what you can do is read up on the community support at steam, since steam is requiring 3d, and there is a large community there, and any driver info for your card at steam will be relevant
[14:54] <holstein> comics_idees: start by literally simply installing the driver from the repos..
[15:16] <wxl> o/
[15:22] <suncokret> wxl
[15:22] <suncokret> did you told me about xombrero? :)
[15:24] <wxl> suncokret: i don't know. do you love it or hate it? it you love it, yes. otherwise, no. ;)
[15:25] <suncokret> i can't find any options, you told me there is favorites...
[15:25] <Unit193> :favorites
[15:26] <suncokret> where Unit193 come from so fast
[15:26] <suncokret> ?
[15:26] <suncokret> :)
[15:26] <wxl> suncokret: Unit193 is the master of xombrero.
[15:26] <suncokret> i know
[15:26] <suncokret> you told me last time
[15:27] <Unit193> Nah, I don't use favorites.
[15:27] <suncokret> i start xombrero but i can't find any options
[15:27] <suncokret> it don't have menu bar
[15:27] <suncokret> on right click it don't have any options
[15:27] <Unit193> Looks like you need to read the manpage.  It's a vi like browser, it's not going to have those.
[15:27] <wxl> he means it DOESN'T have those.
[15:28]  * wxl does point out that gvim such things, and proceeds to point and laugh at poor old Unit193 
[15:28] <suncokret> xombrero is about half lighter than opera
[15:28] <suncokret> i use opera
[15:28] <Unit193> gvim isn't vim. :D
[15:28] <suncokret> firefox is much heavier than opera
[15:29] <suncokret> xombrero is ligthe than opera but don't have much great options which opera have
[15:29] <wxl> Unit193: i guess that's like saying that aptitude is not apt-get is not dpkg, which is somewhat true, but not really XD
[15:29] <wxl> suncokret: sounds like you need to start programming a fork of xombrero with a menu bar.
[15:30] <suncokret> i am not programer
[15:30] <wxl> well, become one and your problems will be solved :)
[15:30] <suncokret> i don't have problems, i use opera :)
[15:30] <suncokret> it works very good
[15:30] <wxl> then what's your question again? XD
[15:30] <suncokret> question was about favorites in xombrero
[15:30] <suncokret> because you told me there is
[15:31] <suncokret> favorites
[15:31] <wxl> and now you know the answer.
[15:31] <wxl> so…
[15:31] <suncokret> so xombrero is very light, but very poor with options :)
[15:32] <wxl> not poor with options but certainly lacking a menu bar
[15:32] <wxl> which some people consider a feature
[15:33] <suncokret> how is not poor with options when it don't have almost any option?
[15:33] <suncokret> :)
[15:33] <wxl> suncokret: if you read the manpage, you'll find it has many.
[15:34] <suncokret> how i can use them, keyboard shortcuts?
[15:34] <wxl> suncokret: if you look just at the surface, then you won't see it. which is the same with vi. open up vi in a terminal and see how many options there are. it seems like apparently none. there are a TON of options. but they're all through keyboard commands.
[15:34] <wxl> there was a time before the mouse…
[15:34]  * wxl misses that time.
[15:35]  * rafaellaguna don't uze mouzez
[15:35] <wxl> rafaellaguna: wrong channel XD
[15:35] <suncokret> i don't like to use terminal
[15:36] <suncokret> :)
[15:36] <wxl> my condolences
[15:36] <wxl> you're missing about 90% of the full power of your operating system
[15:36] <suncokret> i use keyboard shortcuts or mouse
[15:36] <suncokret> and i like GUI
[15:36] <suncokret> :)
[15:37] <rafaellaguna> I love GUI too, but sometimes I open a term to do things that will last hours with windowed apps
[15:37] <rafaellaguna> the I close it and it's a GUI again ;)
[15:37] <suncokret> i open term sometimes too
[15:38] <wxl> i use a gui browser
[15:38] <wxl> i use a gui for image editing
[15:38] <wxl> i use guis mostly for creating audio but that's largely because i don't feel like re-creating all the interfaces and making them usable in a terminal for improv use
[15:38] <suncokret> i use gui for everything, because i can do everything which i need in Lubuntu with
[15:38] <wxl> and that's about it
[15:38] <suncokret> gui
[15:39]  * rafaellaguna loves command BEEP
[15:39]  * wxl loves redirecting /dev/urandom to the dsp
[15:39] <wxl> s/redirecting/piping/
[15:40] <wxl> rafaellaguna: you mean irc beep?
[15:40] <rafaellaguna> no, command beep, for making beep noise :P
[15:40] <wxl> yeah don't use that one
 you're missing about 90% of the full power of your operating system
[15:40] <rafaellaguna> wxl, a newbie question, how the hell could I send something to nowhere? I mean, like "> nul"
[15:41] <suncokret> wxl, i don't know what i miss, because i do everything what i need without terminal
[15:41] <wxl> rafaellaguna: echo "something" > /dev/null
[15:41] <rafaellaguna> ooh, right
[15:41] <wxl> like there's a great shirt that parodies the saying "i'm with stupid" and says "i'm with /dev/null"
[15:41] <rafaellaguna> I did > nul and, obviously, it created a nul file :D
[15:41] <wxl> yuuuup
[15:42] <wxl> suncokret: to each his own
[15:42] <suncokret> yes
[15:43] <suncokret> i was try linux 10 years before, and i leave it after month
[15:43] <wxl> why?
[15:43] <suncokret> because then i can't do everything which i need from gui
[15:43] <wxl> like?
[15:43] <suncokret> i don't remember everything
[15:44] <suncokret> but i know that i had problems with cyrillic
[15:44] <wxl> there is a gui for that. xnotes :)
[15:44] <suncokret> i have much file and directory names in cyrillic
[15:44] <wxl> !info xnotes
[15:44] <rafaellaguna> I needed a drawing app and then I met with GIMP, and Windows was dead for me
[15:44] <wxl> aw crap what's it called?
[15:44] <rafaellaguna> xpad
[15:44] <wxl> suncokret: there's fonts for that
[15:44] <wxl> !info xpad
[15:44] <wxl> yes that.
[15:44] <suncokret> now it work
[15:44] <wxl> never forget things again
[15:44] <rafaellaguna> !info cucumber
[15:45] <wxl> rafaellaguna: have you used inkscape at all?
[15:45] <rafaellaguna> OMG
[15:45] <rafaellaguna> it's my daily app ;)
[15:45] <wxl> nice
[15:45] <wxl> i haven't fully mastered it
[15:45] <suncokret> now cyrillc works great
[15:45] <rafaellaguna> there's a nice app now in repos, mypaint, if you have an intuos or wacom
[15:45] <wxl> steep learning curve and i dabble in graphics. dont' have a daily use for it. but it's awesome
[15:45] <suncokret> and all files and directory names which are in cyrillic i can see
[15:45] <wxl> i gto everyone at work using it (even on windows) because it can import and export pdfs :)
[15:46] <rafaellaguna> you should try, wxl, results are like oil paintings
[15:46] <wxl> i wish i had one! actually i got an app for my tablet that will use it as an input device
[15:46] <wxl> cool
[15:46] <rafaellaguna> except mine that looks like a cat vomit
[15:46] <wxl> also now that the kernel accepts wiimotes and xbox controllers i was going to try to use them rafaellaguna XD
[15:46] <wxl> oooh cat vomit!!!!!!
[15:46] <suncokret> now linux work fine
[15:46] <wxl> well glad all is well suncokret
[15:46] <rafaellaguna> do it, let your inner artist awake
[15:47] <suncokret> i expect to be able to do all what i need from gui
[15:47]  * wxl coughs up a hair ball, puts a frame around it and hangs it up with some dramatic lighting on the wall.
[15:47] <suncokret> and even lubuntu which is lightest enviroment do work
[15:47] <suncokret> :)
[15:47] <rafaellaguna> suncokret, you know what? I was using OSX and it lacks tooones of Linux resources
[15:47] <wxl> suncokret: in my impression that's a generally high expectation for lubuntu (there are some things…) so i'm glad to hear it!
[15:47] <rafaellaguna> it has a terminal which can do nothing
[15:48] <rafaellaguna> and for every complex install you need to add additional command line packages
[15:48] <wxl> rafaellaguna: the terminal is DIFFERENT. but the annoying thing is that it's not only not linux, it's not even proper freebsd.
[15:48] <rafaellaguna> I mean servers, collaborative boards, etc,
[15:48] <wxl> i was on os x too before my official move to linux full time
[15:48] <wxl> the more i used it the more i got irritated at it because i do use the terminal A LOT
[15:48] <rafaellaguna> it's a fake of Unix, they took bsd and screwed it up
[15:49] <wxl> pretty much
[15:49] <suncokret> lubuntu is great distribution i can do everything what i need from gui
[15:49] <rafaellaguna> we're glad you do :)
[15:49] <suncokret> and i don't need other linux
[15:49] <wxl> indeed
[15:49] <rafaellaguna> I tested ALL
[15:49] <rafaellaguna> except CentOS
[15:49] <suncokret> and it finaly have lts
[15:49] <wxl> well feel free to hang out here suncokret and help others. we could use all the volunteers we can get. are you on the mailing list?
[15:49] <wxl> cent is derived from what again?
[15:50] <rafaellaguna> dunno, checking...
[15:50] <newaz> I install dconf turn off screen saver , but after few minutes it goes to login panel. Is it any bugs with that ?
[15:50] <phillw> ..
[15:50] <rafaellaguna> redhat
[15:50] <wxl> well if you've used redhat there you go
[15:50] <rafaellaguna> so no interest then :)
[15:50] <wxl> heh
[15:51] <rafaellaguna> my first Linux was RedHat, then Mandrake, then OpenSuSE, then Ubuntu
[15:51] <wxl> newaz: meaning it goes to the screensaver login panel??
[15:51] <wxl> rafaellaguna: i started with slackware :)
[15:51] <rafaellaguna> trust me, no other Linu has the same community, support, easyness and "stupidness"
[15:52] <wxl> rafaellaguna: actually if you want to consider all unix-like operating systems, i started with freebsd. terminal only.
[15:52] <wxl> rafaellaguna: that's why i stayed here and continue to stick with canonical.
[15:53] <rafaellaguna> yes, I hadn't a desktop in redhat, it came later :)
[15:53] <wxl> i used an old kde when i started
[15:53] <rafaellaguna> first it was a primitive X, with a look and feel that I still miss (that dotted background, with a clock floating)
[15:53] <wxl> guess what we use at work? kkubuntu XD
[15:53] <wxl> rafaellaguna: don't forget xeyes!
[15:53] <rafaellaguna> no way! I can't use other thing than OSX (Spain is sold to Apple and Microchown)
[15:54]  * rafaellaguna lovez xeyes!
[15:54] <wxl> rafaellaguna: http://bikefridaywalter.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/macbochs.png
[15:54] <suncokret> i tryed xfce, cinnamon, mate, kde.... and i prefer lxde
[15:54] <rafaellaguna> even with msdos, I didn't use msdos, mine was drdos with a graphic GEM environment
[15:55] <wxl> i used the original dos
[15:55] <rafaellaguna> I use now XFCE, because of the BeOS resemblance (tweaked a lot, of course)
[15:55] <wxl> my love affair with m$ ended with 95 because the terminal became mostly unusable.
[15:55] <suncokret> i used win98 more then 10 years
[15:55] <wxl> you're using xfce on lubuntu???
[15:55] <rafaellaguna> yup :D http://i.imgur.com/xuGRyyb.png
[15:55] <wxl> just the window manager?
[15:55] <rafaellaguna> the whole desktop
[15:55] <wxl> wow crazy
[15:56] <wxl> i wonder how that all works out
[15:56] <rafaellaguna> I have 6 or 7 desktops installed, I need them to test my icons and themes
[15:56] <suncokret> i tried xfce on lubuntu, but lxde is better
[15:56] <wxl> O_O
[15:56] <wxl> i use lxde but have canned openbox in lieu of awesomewm
[15:56] <rafaellaguna> everything works fine until I install Plasma, then everything blows
[15:56] <wxl> rafaellaguna: yeah well that's kde for you
[15:56] <rafaellaguna> try fluxbox
[15:57] <wxl> kde is the emacs of de's: too weird
[15:57] <wxl> rafaellaguna: i have but awesomewm is tiling
[15:57] <wxl> i like to not touch my mouse XD
[15:57] <rafaellaguna> kde was too window-ish at first, and that problem with Nokia / QT libs...
[15:57] <wxl> i want to swap out lightdm for slim but last time i tried it didn't "just work" and i didn't have time to mess with it
[15:57] <rafaellaguna> then KDE4 appeared and didn't like it at all
[15:58]  * wxl realizes we're pretty offtopic here. i'm going to head off. ;)
[16:04] <newaz> wxl: yes login panel
[16:10] <wxl> newaz: yeah that's some weird stuff. try doing it and then checking your log files
[18:33] <absk007> any dark theme for lubuntu?
[18:34] <absk007> will it work with Netbook?
[18:35] <yz3pD> onyx
[18:35] <holstein> it? you mean lubuntu? yes.. lubuntu will work for netbooks
[18:35] <ianorlin> I don't know if themes change the backround of the lubuntu netbook session image to something dark?
[18:36] <holstein> yeah, i agree, now that i understand the question.. the netbook session has limited theming options
[18:38] <ianorlin> A dark theme will work on a netbook in the regular lubuntu netbook if you use Lubuntu session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Theming
[18:39] <holstein> yeah, i dont use the netbook session on netbooks
[18:39] <yz3pD> just use normal lubuntu sesson everywere
[18:45] <absk007> yz3pD, holstein, actually i've very limited memory (2 GB) & HDD (7.52 GB) & CPU (1 GHz)
[18:46] <yz3pD> absk007, i have 1,5gb ram 500gb hdd 2*1ghz
[18:46] <yz3pD> maybe puppy linux is the right for you
[18:47] <absk007> puppy linux? why ?
[18:47] <ianorlin> 2 GB is more than enough for lubuntu the hard drive is pretty tight and low cpu might be a problem
[18:48] <absk007> i've 2 cores 1 GHz AMD C50 CPU
[18:48] <absk007> My netbook is ASUS 1215B EeePC
[18:49] <anarkhos> hmm
[18:49] <absk007> though i brought it for programming in Windows 7, when i did, it just crashed my 320 GB HDD in 1 yr. (wan't using it primarily)
[18:50] <anarkhos> i installed lubuntu on an acer aspire one netbook (2gb ram, 1.3ghz cpu if i recall correctly, 20gb reserved for the lubuntu partition) a few weeks ago. seems to run fine so far
[18:50] <ianorlin> it will run on that
[18:50] <absk007> Firefox lags in my netbook
[18:51] <absk007> ianorlin, so.. i should choose Normal lubuntu session rather than Netbook. rt?
[18:51] <ianorlin> yes
[18:52] <ianorlin> if you want a dark theme
[18:53] <holstein> absk007: i dont think 2 gb's is limited.. i dont fine the netbook vs the desktop session of lxde to save resources
[18:53] <ianorlin> I think netbook is mainly to have large icons on small screen
[18:53] <holstein> absk007: i dont think you'll find much benifit to the netbook session for that
[18:53] <ianorlin> so you can see to launch things
[18:54] <absk007> ok. Thanks.
[18:54]  * ianorlin wonders if netbook partially helps accessability for some people with bad vision
[18:54] <holstein> yeah. .the "blown up" launcher is really the only benefit.. not resource management in any way
[18:54] <absk007> i'll switch soon.
[19:06] <Someus> Hello! I have outdated graphics card. Ati X1200.. Is there a way to get proprietary driver on Lubuntu 14.04 for it?
[19:07] <Someus> I read that proprietary driver works on Ubuntu 8.o4
[19:07] <ianorlin> proprietary drivers are not supported by the vendors forever
[19:07] <holstein> Someus: not a "magical" way.. i mean, they (ati) either provide one, or not
[19:07] <ianorlin> and probably do not work on newer supported lubuntu versions
[19:07] <Someus> So no way?
[19:08] <holstein> Someus: you can always step back if you think that will help.. in theory, *if* the card was supported, you can force support.. but, they older module may be for the older kernels, and not be able to be used with modern kernels
[19:08] <holstein> Someus: there is always a way..
[19:08] <holstein> Someus: the vendor is welcome to support you.. but they may choose not to keep maintaining "legacy" hardware
[19:09] <holstein> personally, on older hardware, i juse use the open driver, or vesa... 3d support on a card that old will be a compromise in any scenario
[19:09] <Someus> I find that Open source drivers give little bit worse performance when watching youtube/
[19:10] <Someus> on Windows i had smoother youtube videos streaming
[19:10] <holstein> Someus: i think you'll find that even if you had a supported driver, in linux, in  youtube, on that old hardware, performance will be compromised.. 3d driver or no
[19:11] <holstein> Someus: on windows you *will* have smoother performance, since you were promised that from ati
[19:11] <holstein> if they want, they can help you make linux performance "better".. buy they likely are not interested in it
[19:12] <Someus> With Windows Vista i had problems with 1GB ram.. and since i have integrated video card i have about 850 ram. Laptop froze so often and HDD won't stop writing something.. Lubuntu is perfect.
[19:14] <Someus> holstein i doubt they will help me.
[19:14] <holstein> Someus: they *do* help you.. with what they have promised to help you with
[19:14] <ianorlin> not sure much you can do about youtube performance
[19:15] <holstein> Someus: they never said they would help you with linux support.. and, as i said, 3d support is not the only issue
[19:15]  * ianorlin wishes there was more stuff in audio format only for some things
[19:15] <Someus> Why Open Source drivers are not as good as proprietary drivers?
[19:15] <holstein> flash support in general is a compromise.. you'd likely do "better" to use the recent flash that is in google chrome with the open drive
[19:15] <holstein> Someus: ?
[19:16] <holstein> Someus: they open source developers are not given information to support the proprietary hardware
[19:16] <ianorlin> I have heard people complain about fglrx though
[19:16] <Someus> They are some secrets in hardware?
[19:16] <absk007> so how to choose a gfx that works for everything?
[19:16] <holstein> Someus: ? its proprietary hardware
[19:16] <holstein> Someus: you cant just create an open driver that will work with it
[19:17] <holstein> Someus: *they* are able, and welcome to create drivers that support the device they create, and they can open the source if they like
[19:17] <ianorlin> the open driver developers do as much as they can but don't have designs of the all the raedon stuff
[19:17] <absk007> hmm... Can't there be an open gfx card like Arduino or RasberryPi, etc.
[19:17] <holstein> Someus: they never promised they would.. so nothing is "broken" here.. or malfunctioning.. or needing fixed..
[19:17] <ianorlin> actually rasberrypi has proprietary gpu
[19:18] <ianorlin> intel integrated gpu have open source drivers that are made by intel of good quality but aren't the fanciest hardware
[19:18] <absk007> is there no freedom like Richard Stallman expected?
[19:18] <Someus> Okay.. I understand. Are there actually graphics card makers making open source drivers?
[19:18] <Someus> ianorlin okay
[19:18] <ianorlin> the intel igp drivers are open
[19:18] <holstein> absk007: ?
[19:19] <holstein> absk007: anyone is welcome and encouraged to create whatever software they like
[19:19] <Someus> I don't understand why manufacturers installed on my slow laptop Windows Vista.. :)
[19:19] <holstein> absk007: if ati wants to create an open driver, no one will stop them
[19:19] <holstein> absk007: but, they dont. and they never promised they would..
[19:19] <absk007> holstein, matter of fact - They Don't
[19:19] <Someus> Is it hard job to make open source driver?
[19:20] <Someus> for ATi
[19:20] <holstein> absk007: they are welcome to.. and can.. all of linux is open
[19:20] <holstein> the issue is, to expect magic from open source developers to support some hardware they have no access to.. or information on
[19:20] <holstein> the machine came with windows support.. thats what you are promised..
[19:20] <Someus> ATI should release open source. it isn't hard to do.
[19:20] <absk007> holstein, why don't they make open source drivers? What's the reason?
[19:20] <holstein> if you want linux support, try a reseller like system76
[19:21] <holstein> if you want open drivers, use intel.. they provide open drivers
[19:21] <Someus> holstein if i had Intel graphics
[19:21] <holstein> absk007: its a company, friend.. ask them.. they are welcome to create what they like
[19:21] <absk007> #ati
[19:21] <holstein> they are not asking me, or us, or you if they should open the source for the drivers..
[19:22] <Someus> Great job on making Lubuntu
[19:22] <Someus> I tried many distros. I find this distro best for me yet
[19:22] <Someus> for this laptop
[19:24] <Someus> Oh i found that in Additional Drivers there are offer to use proprietary Wireless driver. What should i use?
[19:24] <holstein> Someus: there is no "should".. just what works for you
[19:25] <Someus> I don't know. I need best performance
[19:25] <holstein> if you have wifi, i would use what you are using.. if you have issues, try a proprietary one.. if you want open, replace the hardware with hardware that uses an open driver
[19:25] <Someus> currently i am wired
[19:25] <holstein> Someus: "best" is always a matter of opinion and use case.. is the wifi working? if so, i would leave it alone
[19:26] <Someus> i haven't installed driver for Wireless yet
[19:26] <holstein> Someus: if not.. try a proprietary driver.. if you want open, buy a wifi chip that supports open driver
[19:26] <Someus> ok
[19:27] <absk007> holstein, how to know which wifi chip supports open drivers?
[19:27] <holstein> absk007: ask them, friend.. they can make what they like, and all of linux is open
[19:27] <holstein> absk007: anyone can make drivers.. and comply with "open" standards or licensing
[19:28] <absk007> holstein, ok.
[19:28] <holstein> absk007: "open" is just that.. its not different code.. or "better"..
[19:28] <holstein> its a license
[19:28] <Someus> ok now im proud user of proprietary driver
[19:28] <holstein> if you want to use open drivers, one must research, and purchase with that in mind
[19:28] <absk007> "open" fullfills the dream of Richard Stallman!!
[19:29] <Someus> Is there open source Windows OS? :)
[19:29] <holstein> i personally prefer open.. but, my, nor Richard's preferences dictate quality..
[19:29] <holstein> Someus: lots of open source software is available for windows.. microsoft releases open code
[19:30] <Someus> Why for example games on Windows are performing better?
[19:30] <holstein> Someus: "better" is a matter of opinion and use case
[19:30] <holstein> Someus: i would ask in a windows channel about windows software
[19:30] <absk007> why is DX better than OpenCL?
[19:31] <absk007> or OpenGL?
[19:31] <holstein> wow.. it wont be for every case
[19:31] <holstein> if something works better, its better for that need
[19:32] <Someus> I am little bit confused. Why Tablet with 1 GB ram performs better faster and smoother than my laptop with 1 GB ram?
[19:32] <holstein> Someus: driver support.. the configuration.. the tasks.. etc.. literally anything
[19:32] <Someus> I want similiar OS like android on PC :)
[19:32] <holstein> Someus: nothing is preventing google from providing android for your PC
[19:33] <holstein> Someus: there is chromium os.. but its not android. android is arm based.. there are android x86 projects
[19:33] <Someus> what is arm based?
[19:33] <holstein> !arm
[19:33] <holstein> its why you cant phisically load android on your pc easily..
[19:33] <holstein> its different chip architecture
[19:34] <Someus> android x86 is like emulator which slows down pc
[19:34] <holstein> Someus: thats not what i said
[19:34] <holstein> Someus: there are actual x86 ports of android.. AFAIK
[19:34] <holstein> Someus: nothing prevents google from releasing android for x86.. ask them.. but, they dont now..
[19:34] <Someus> i know but I would like to get same performance on my PC as android tablets get with same RAM :)
[19:35] <Someus> For example i used my laptop just to browse Internet
[19:35] <holstein> Someus: i personally get *better*..
[19:36] <holstein> Someus: if you want "good" linux support, buy  with that in mind.. dont buy with windows support in mind and expect linux to magically work
[19:36] <holstein> try system76 or another reseller
[19:36] <Someus> Im not complaining
[19:37] <absk007> offtopic can done in #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:37] <holstein> Someus: you are welcom to complain, in the offtopic channel. im trying my best to only state facts, so you can make an informed desicion
[19:37] <Someus> I don't know why this laptop came with Windows Vista at first place as Vista needs at least 2 GB ram
[19:37] <holstein> Someus: ?
[19:37] <holstein> Someus: ask the vendor why they ship what they ship. but, you are promised windows support there. thats why linux is not performing "out of the box" as you like
[19:38] <Someus> Lubuntu is faster that's what i lile
[19:38] <Someus> like
[19:38] <Someus> Ok that's it
[19:38] <Someus> Im going. bye
[20:15] <explodingmango> Hi. When someone has a moment... I've got some weirdness with XML file associations and mimeapps.list, and I'd like to figure out if it's a bug before submitting it.
[20:17] <explodingmango> Ah, I'll just describe it now so I can copy-paste it later. Using Lubuntu's default file manager (PCManFM), if I try to change the program to open XML files, the change doesn't stick.
[20:19] <explodingmango> And it looks like when it tries to make the XML association change, in mimeapps.list it writes to the "application/xml=" line but not the "text/xml=" line. And it reads the text/xml line back to determine the file association, which is why it never changes.
[20:20] <explodingmango> So I can work around it by changing the "text/xml=" line manually. I'm hoping someone can tell me if this is a reproducible bug, and if so, whether to file it under pcmanfm or something else. Thanks!
[21:15] <phillw> explodingmango:  raise a bug report. I've never come across it, but that is not to say it exists
[21:17] <explodingmango> Oh, hey. I also asked in #lxde (on another server), and some guy said his mimeapps.list didn't have a text/xml entry, and that if it wasn't there PCManFM would prefer the application/xml entry instead
[21:18] <explodingmango> And lo and behold, removing that entry worked. Not sure how it got there in the first place (maybe from all the browsers and text editors I installed
[21:30] <explodingmango> Update: The guy in #lxde says it's probably a bug in glib and he'll file a bug report.
[21:37] <suncokret> i need help
[22:10] <phillw> !ask | suncokret
[22:11] <suncokret> how can i change resoluton in log on screen?
[22:20] <patarr> where is font config on lubuntu?
[22:20] <wxl> !fonts
[22:22] <patarr> wxl: I have a fonts.conf file. Where would I put that?
[22:23] <wxl> patarr: no clue. maybe that page mentions something about it? i've never used such a beast.
[22:30] <melodie> patarr try lxappearance