[06:20] <mazal> morning everyone
[06:21]  * mazal learned a nice lesson last night
[06:23] <mazal> charl, that script failed again last night.
[06:24] <mazal> Checked the destination this morning when I got up , nothing. Same as yesterday morning the rar file from a manual was gone and no new file there.
[06:24] <mazal> What got me wondering even further was the fact that a manual folder I created in the destination was also gone
[06:31] <mazal> Then a light went on , stopped looking at cron or the script as the problem and started looking at something that might be deleting files
[06:32] <mazal> And voila , found the culprit. An rsync job , from another script that runs 4am deltes the folder
[06:33] <mazal> So what seems to be happening , 12am the tar script runs and creates the file. At 4am another script deletes the contents of the same folder and rar file gone.
[06:33] <mazal> 6am I check and can't find file
[06:34] <mazal> Pointed this script with the dissapearing act to another folder now to test. I am fairly certain it will work now
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:48] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:11] <charl> morning mazal, ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey charl
[07:40] <mazal> maaz , coke please
[07:40] <Maaz> Look in the fridge mazal Do you expect me to do everything for you
[07:40] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:40]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:41] <mazal> maaz , there any beer in there as well ?
[07:41] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[07:41] <mazal> Maaz , beer , booze , hardehout
[07:41] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[07:41] <mazal> hehe
[07:41] <mazal> Man I am so thirsty
[07:41] <mazal> Drove by shop twice now and didn't buy coke :(
[07:42] <mazal> Charl , you saw my feedback ?
[07:42] <mazal> Pebkac error with two parts: a. Not remembering exactly what an old script created long ago does , b. Pointing a second backup script to same location as old one
[07:44] <charl> mazal: ah :) good to hear you got it sorted
[07:44] <charl> hi Kilos 
[07:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:45] <mazal> When I saw that empty folder again this morning I was like what the &^$%^$&^$ is going on. Actually thought at one stage there is a problem with the drive. This one really puzzled me
[07:45] <Kilos> hi ChanServ ThatGraemeGuy inetpro and others
[07:45] <charl> :D
[07:45] <charl> tab autocomplete fail again
[07:45] <mazal> When I lost faith in the rsync one I should have either a. Disabled it in cron , or b. pointed the tar one to it's own seperate folder
[07:46] <Kilos> oi! i didnt even see that sorry charl 
[07:46] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:46] <mazal> More oom
[07:47] <charl> lol Kilos 
[07:47] <mazal> Oom Kilos , ek het die spook gevang wat my files delete die heel tyd lol
[07:47] <Kilos> wat was dit mazal ?
[07:48] <mazal> Langerige storie , maar kom neer op my ou rsync backup script wat die rar files delete elke oggend 4uur
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:49] <Kilos> this hexchat decided i need a new channel open here
[07:49] <mazal> Soos ek nou daar gese het , toe ek die nuwe een gemaak het moes ek daai ou script gaan disabled het of die nuwe een na sy eie folder toe gestuur het
[07:49] <Kilos> ##unavailable
[07:49] <Kilos> amper 500 mense daar
[07:50] <Kilos> ah conflicting scripts
[07:50] <mazal> rsync goes like " Hang on , these are not on my source , I am deleting this " lol
[07:50] <Kilos> die een steel die ander een se pap
[07:50] <mazal> Which is my fault not rsync's
[07:50] <Kilos> well apologise to rsync
[07:51] <mazal> Well at least that is what I am thinking anyway. Is the only thing that makes sense. Will see tomorrow morning if my files are there or not. I pointed them to their own seperate destination
[07:51] <Kilos> lol good luck
[07:52] <mazal> Only question left now
[07:53] <mazal> Oom rsync nog steeds in moeilikheid oor backup data wat korup was. Dis wat die hele gesukkel met 'n tweede backup laat begin het
[07:54] <Kilos> ai!
[07:54] <mazal> Maar ek gaan daai nog toets sodra ek die tyd het. Ek vermoed ek weet wat gebeur het
[07:55] <mazal> Maar is lang test om dit te toets
[07:55] <mazal> Ek dink saterdag oggend
[07:55] <Kilos> eina man, geduld help
[07:56] <mazal> Jy sien daai rsync hardloop in cron elke 3 ure. Ek dink dat die probleem het op my life data gekom , toevallig net na dit toe hardloop die sync wat die probleem toe backup. Toe ek teruglaai toe laai ek die probleem terug
[07:56] <mazal> Oom verstaan wat ek bedoel ?
[07:57] <Kilos> ja
[07:57] <mazal> MAW , dit het dit laat lyk of die backup useless
[07:57] <mazal> Wat my vertroue in resync laat verloor het
[07:58] <Kilos> is daar iewers n plek waar jy kan sien watter scripts jy in het
[07:58] <mazal> Dit skep vir my 'n nuwe probleem. Auto backups is nie noodwendig betroubaar nie ( want dit backup probleme ). Ek moet either manual backups ook byhou. OF 'n hele clomp verskillende scripts maak wat elkeen op 'n ander dag run
[07:59] <Kilos> eish
[08:00] <mazal> First though , to test my theory and to get my trust in rsync back , I have to let the back run at midnight. Next morning make a manual backup. Then go delete the source data on purpose
[08:00] <mazal> Then put back the rsync backup.
[08:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:01] <mazal> If rsync data fine , then I think my theory is correct. THEN I must start creating a script for every day of the week to a seperate folder for each one to prevent auto backup of problems
[08:01] <mazal> If last one backed up the error. Then go 1 day back
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos
[08:01] <mazal> Or just do a manual as well every day
[08:01] <mazal> Dunno yet what is best option
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: I still think you need to install a proper backup app. it solves all these problems
[08:02] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, I was unable to find one with scheduling
[08:02] <Kilos> deja-dup
[08:02] <Kilos> ?
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh, ok then
[08:03] <mazal> If you guys know of any please share
[08:03] <mazal> AND it must be able to kill process before start AND start processes after backup
[08:04] <mazal> That is the thing I struggle the most with to find in a backup app
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[08:04] <mazal> Many has the scheduling covered , but I struggle with that stop and start processes part
[08:06] <Kilos> many have
[08:07] <mazal> I'm looking at that link of ThatGraemeGuy now
[08:11] <bushtech_> mazal: Also have a look at crashplan
[08:12]  * mazal makes notes
[08:12] <Kilos> hi bushtech_ 
[08:13] <bushtech_> more Kilos
[08:13] <mazal> And I don't even need something heavy advanced. Just backup home , do it in a schedule , stop processes before , start processes after
[08:13] <mazal> No need even for system file backup. My imaging has that covered
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you wanted to get really fancy you could make your script triggered by udev so that plugging in a specific usb drive would automatically run your backup script
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> well that wouldn't help if its always plugged in i suppose
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> but if that were the case its not a very useful backup anyway
[08:16] <mazal> I don't need any such fancy things. Just those few basic stuff
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> sometimes we don't do these things because we need them, but because "wooo, look what I managed to do!"
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> ;-)
[08:17] <mazal> It must basically shutdown names processes. Backup folder a to destination b. Start processes
[08:17] <mazal> Is actually a very basic thing I need
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> pkill --signal term namepfprocess
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> sleep 15
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> pkill --signal kill nameofprocess
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> rsync $OPTS
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> done
[08:25] <mazal> What's the difference between pkill and killall ?
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuuuh
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> the 1 is 1 character shorter
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[08:26] <mazal> kewl
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think killall works for specific names, and pkill does pattern matching
[08:27] <mazal> Just wondered if there is a disadvantage to killall
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i've have to read their man pages to determine what the differences were
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> or google it even
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://askubuntu.com/a/27504
[08:45] <Kilos> just gonna restart hexchat
[08:49] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning inetpro
[08:49] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:50] <charl> morning inetpro 
[09:03] <mazal> How do you break a screen card so that the whole vga port sits inside the chassis
[09:04] <mazal> How on earth do you achieve that !
[10:15] <Kilos> Maaz, wb
[10:15] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[10:15] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash 
[10:22] <Kilos> oh my inetpro topic bar needs updating sometime please
[12:44] <mazal> Bye everyone , nice evening
[14:30] <nuvolari> aw. almost got to go home at 13:00
[14:30] <nuvolari> without electricity and external telkom UPS's ran down
[14:30] <nuvolari> but then as we are about to leave, it came back :'(
[14:34] <Kilos> lol
[14:45] <charl> good afternoon
[14:45] <Kilos> hi charl 
[14:45] <charl> hi Kilos 
[14:45] <charl> phew hectic day
[14:45] <Kilos> is it coffee time?
[14:45] <charl> every day whole day is coffee time
[14:45] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:45]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:45] <charl> there is no such thing as coffee no-time
[14:46] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[14:46] <Maaz> charl: Righto
[14:46] <charl> Maaz: large
[14:46] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you charl
[14:46] <charl> that's what i like to hear
[14:47] <charl> a german bierhumpen
[14:48] <Kilos> thats how i drink my tea
[14:48] <Kilos> 500ml beer mug
[14:48] <charl> very good
[14:48] <charl> at oktoberfest we drink 1 litre
[14:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:49] <Kilos> beer is yucky stuff man
[14:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and charl!
[14:50] <Kilos> a beer shandy with 80%lemonade i can handle
[14:50] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[14:50] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[14:50] <charl> Maaz: danke
[14:50] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[14:50] <charl> Kilos: this is a real beer glass http://www.sixthseal.com/images/beer%205l%201.jpg
[14:51] <charl> http://www.sixthseal.com/images/beer%205l%202.jpg
[14:51] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[14:51] <Maaz> nuvolari: There isn't a pot on
[14:51] <charl> drinking beer... liek a boss !
[14:51] <nuvolari> Maaz: beer please
[14:51] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[14:52] <nuvolari> oh you know all right
[14:53] <charl> Kilos what you want is a radler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radler
[14:53] <charl> The Radler (literally "cyclist", which refers to its reputation as popular sports drink) is a beer-based mixed drink (Biermischgetränk) with a long history in German-speaking regions.
[14:54] <Kilos> na im happy with tea and coffee
[14:54] <charl> lol
[14:55] <charl> radler became ridiculously populair here in NL now recently
[14:55] <charl> it all happened in the last 6 or so months
[14:55] <charl> people selling radler now everywhere
[14:55] <charl> i think it's a girl drink
[14:55] <Kilos> no such thing as a girl drink
[14:55] <charl> i remember an old nambrew advertisement "we don't drink pink drinks, dave, always keep it real"
[14:56] <Kilos> you know what is nice though, old brown sherry when its cold
[14:56] <Kilos> haha i remember that add yes
[14:57] <Kilos> we had it with some other drink
[14:58] <charl> we don't drink a shady shandy, dave, always keep it real
[14:58] <charl> a good sherry is nice (on the odd occasion)
[14:59] <charl> ok i'm off
[14:59] <charl> ttyl all
[14:59] <Kilos> ok
[16:10] <inetpro> yikes!
[16:11] <inetpro> having to deal with a mail queue of more than 80,000 messages is a lot of fun
[16:30] <Kilos> ouch
[17:30] <Symmetria> son of a bitch, I just sprained my ankle
[17:30] <Symmetria> :(
[17:54] <charl> Symmetria: bah, how did that happen ?
[17:55] <charl> inetpro: mail messages ?
[18:16] <Kilos> haha inetpro are you reading them all or just need to route them somewhere
[18:18] <charl> hi smile 
[18:18] <Kilos> hi smile 
[18:19] <smile> hi! :D
[18:19] <charl> how are you smile
[18:20] <smile> Linux 3.16 will be used by the next release of Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora :o
[18:20] <smile> charl: fine, just tired :) Listening music now. How're you?
[18:20] <charl> i'm doing well
[18:20] <charl> also a little tired but it's almost weekend :D
[18:22] <charl> hi SilverCode 
[18:36] <smile> charl: that's right :)
[18:37] <charl> holiday time is coming for me now
[18:37] <charl> have to enjoy what is left of this summer
[18:38] <charl> not that i feel we really had much of a summer with this weather
[18:38] <charl> but yeah high in the 30s is also not my idea of nice weather like what we had a short while ago
[18:38] <superfly> I'm over winter, ready for summer.
[18:40] <charl> smile: do you happen to have any recommendations for vps providers in europe? i'm growing a little dissatisfied with hetzner
[18:42] <charl> i'm looking at tilaa and netcup right now
[18:42] <charl> there's digital ocean but they're american (i'm worried about latency)
[18:44] <charl> tried transip but they have extortionist pricing if you go over 1tb
[18:44] <superfly> charl: Linode has presence in London, if that works for you
[18:44] <charl> linde is ridiculously expensive last time i checked
[18:44] <superfly> not much more than others...
[18:45] <charl> lemme take a look now ...
[18:45] <superfly> at the time that I looked they were the cheapest option
[18:45] <superfly> and they're always upgrading the packages
[18:45] <charl> ah i see, they dropped their pricing quite sharply
[18:45] <charl> that's actually quite affordable
[18:46] <charl> but once again i see bandwidth limits
[18:46] <charl> what happens if you go over that 2TB ?
[18:47] <charl> transip also had that but then you have to pay some extortionist price and you can't block it
[18:50] <charl> i actually sent them a mail "what happend when i get ddosed" they answered basically "your problem"
[18:52] <inetpro> charl, Kilos: email
[18:52] <inetpro> luckily I could just delete them from the queue
[18:52] <charl> ah all spam ?
[18:53] <Kilos> wow you a popular guy inetpro so many emails! whew
[18:53] <inetpro> a bug was introduced on the web server
[18:53] <inetpro> the MTA just marked them all as frozen 
[18:53] <superfly> charl: I don't know how I'd manage 2TB a month
[18:54] <charl> nah i'm just worried about ddoses
[18:54] <charl> where i work we have them almost every week now
[18:54] <charl> once hit 40gbps incoming
[18:54] <charl> which is our internet capacity btw
[18:54] <superfly> charl: well I suppose it depends on (a) what you use it for and (b) how much you cheese people off
[18:55] <charl> nah i don't like to take unnecessary risks
[18:55] <charl> these kids with the booters are having a ball at other people's expense
[18:55] <smile> "smile: do you happen to have any recommendations for vps providers in europe? i'm growing a little dissatisfied with hetzner" -> no :P no experience :)
[18:55] <smile> good night! :p
[18:55] <charl> night smile :)
[18:56] <Kilos> night smile sleep tight
[18:56] <inetpro> good night smile
[18:57] <smile> thanks guys :)
[19:28] <alphaG> good evenings
[19:29] <Kilos> hi alphaG 
[19:29] <alphaG> kilos howzit
[19:29] <Kilos> welcome to ubintu-za
[19:29] <Kilos> who are you hehe
[19:29] <Kilos> ubuntu-za as well
[19:29] <alphaG> all this time trying to get back here. looking for n app
[19:30] <Kilos> what app?
[19:30] <alphaG> web browser works fine then :D
[19:30] <alphaG> irc app for blackberry.
[19:30] <Kilos> eish
[19:31] <superfly> I'm sure there are some.... somewhere....
[19:31] <alphaG> I have. a question I finally got to install wubuntu
[19:31] <Kilos> ya there have been peeps here on their blackberries
[19:31] <alphaG> they suck superfly I'm chattn via browser now web application. 
[19:32] <Kilos> Maaz, google irr for blackberry
[19:32] <Maaz> Kilos: "Coller Capital IRR Calculator - BlackBerry World" http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/55311?lang=en :: "NPV/IRR | NPV/IRR Android App | NPV/IRR BlackBerry App | NPV ..." https://businesscompassllc.com/NPV/IRR :: "irr calculator free download - Softonic" http://en.softonic.com/s/irr-calculator :: "Laura Marling "Blackberry Stone" IRR Acoustic
[19:32] <Maaz> Sessions - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdA81MVEQp8 :: "XE: (IRR/EUR) Iranian Ria…
[19:32] <Kilos> ai!
[19:32] <alphaG> anyhow back to my question. back in the day I installed compiz on wubuntu install. and loved it.
[19:32] <Kilos> Maaz, google irc app for blackberry
[19:32] <Maaz> Kilos: "AndroIRC - BlackBerry World" http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/86078/?lang=EN :: "jmIrc - Java mobile IRC-client (J2ME)" http://jmirc.sourceforge.net/ :: "The Virca IRC MIDlet! - VidarHolen.net" http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/virca/ :: "BlackBerry 10 IRC Client - Wishful Coding" http://pepijndevos.nl/2013/08/17/blackberry-10-irc-
[19:32] <Maaz> client.html :: "Free AndroIRC IRC Client Ported to the BlackBerry PlayBook ..." http://www.berryrev…
[19:33] <alphaG> is it possible to Install compiz offline on 12.04
[19:33] <Kilos> if you have the package and dependancies yes
[19:34] <alphaG> and I can get that at ubuntu.packages?
[19:35] <Kilos> do you want to download the packages on another pc ?
[19:35] <alphaG> last time I got compiz effects I was usi g gnome.. 
[19:36] <alphaG> I don't have internet access right now.. only monday again. but if I can somehow download packages via blackberry that would be awesome. 
[19:37] <Kilos> ive never tried getting individual packages from the repos
[19:37] <Kilos> superfly, can you advise please
[19:38] <superfly> as far as I know, compiz is part of Unity
[19:38] <superfly> all you should need to do is enable the fancy effects
[19:38] <superfly> how you do that in Ubuntu I don't know, perhaps you need one of those tweak tools?
[19:38] <alphaG> u have mailed me a method on how to do this a while back. if can remember
[19:38] <Kilos> unity-tweak
[19:39] <Kilos> unity-tweak-tool
[19:39] <alphaG> I'm new to unity ..very new 
[19:39] <Kilos> alphaG, who mailed you?
[19:40] <alphaG> u kilos
[19:40] <Kilos> then compiz is already installed
[19:40] <Kilos> you will need to get online and run 2 commands
[19:40] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:41] <alphaG> eish no online till monday.. boss
[19:41] <alphaG> only bb online.
[19:41] <Kilos> then it should all work and you use unity-tweak-tool to personalise things
[19:41] <Kilos> use the bb as a modem
[19:42] <Kilos> there must be a way to do that
[19:42] <alphaG> ok danke 
[19:42] <alphaG> no then I need data 
[19:42] <Kilos> have you got a data cable for it
[19:42] <Kilos> oh
[19:42] <alphaG> add on bundle
[19:42] <Kilos> can bb download stuff free?
[19:43] <alphaG> yeah I do unless some kind person here knows how to use BIS as modem 
[19:43] <alphaG> via the browsers on the phone yes -kilos
[19:44] <Kilos> wow thats nice of them
[19:44] <Kilos> but you dont need to download compiz it should already be installed
[19:44] <alphaG> is jy verseker
[19:45] <Kilos> those 2 commands should give you a fully working system
[19:45] <alphaG> ok I'm going to check now.
[19:45] <Kilos> ek is nou hier op unity 
[19:45] <Kilos> i didnt need to install unity later
[19:47] <Kilos> not unity sorry compiz
[19:48] <alphaG> but u probablly updated everything anyway righg?
[19:49] <alphaG> kilos u on whatsapp?
[19:50] <Kilos> no i cant get whatapp on pc and cell too old
[19:51] <Kilos> yes ubuntu installs the system and update/upgrade sorts all things that didnt work right on the basic install and adds new security upgrades etc
[19:51] <superfly> Telegram!
[19:52] <alphaG> telegrams on my android only
[19:52] <Kilos> does telegram work on pc superfly ?
[19:52] <superfly> tdesktop.org
[19:54] <alphaG> can't find tweak here
[19:54] <Kilos> haha i click that link and it goes to https://tdesktop.com/
[19:54] <Kilos> you have to install unity-tweak-tool once updated
[19:55] <Kilos> do you have synaptic installed?
[19:55] <alphaG> ai install install
[19:55] <alphaG> nothing installed just 12.04 alongside vista
[19:55] <alphaG> cudnt boot so I changed bios settn
[19:56] <alphaG> I had to leave pc lab before I could run an update 
[19:56] <Kilos> ai!
[19:56] <alphaG> yeah...
[19:56] <alphaG> ai ya yai.
[19:57] <Kilos> wait unity tweak tool is for 14.04 i didnt register you are on 12.04
[19:57] <Kilos> update/upgrade then try 12.04 you often need nothing more other than your own programs you like
[19:57] <alphaG> yeah I need to update to 14.04 
[19:58] <Kilos> 12.04 is good too but near life end i think
[19:58] <alphaG> what's betyer updAte or download iso
[19:58] <alphaG> expire 2017 I think
[19:58] <Kilos> mixed opinions there
[19:58] <alphaG> last time u told me to get a friend to download and I did. 
[19:59] <Kilos> i prefer iso download and new install. fly always upgrades and he is the clever one
[19:59] <alphaG> I only got around to installing it now
[19:59] <Kilos> whew ive forgotten that
[19:59] <alphaG> yes its a long time I know. 
[20:00] <alphaG> but getting there none the less
[20:00] <Kilos> if you have 12.04 going then run it when you can go online and update , you might like to stay there till it expires, i found 14.04 more work
[20:00] <alphaG> I've read somewhere about super OS
[20:01] <alphaG> ubuntu with added drivers etc all in one aimed at offline peeps
[20:02] <alphaG> I have net access at lab so its just a matter of time.
[20:02] <Kilos> i dont know it
[20:02] <alphaG> once imsorted I will chat via ubuntu and let u know.
[20:03] <Kilos> cool
[20:04] <alphaG> 12.04 std instal is not bad tho. for nw jusy sucks having no wifi... with so much potential . like sitting in a custom car with no gas just chilling in the garage.
[20:04] <Kilos> im happy with unity and more so with kubuntu, just its a bit heavier
[20:04] <Kilos> lol
[20:05] <alphaG> chat soon hopefully goodnight
[20:05] <Kilos> but once updated you will only need to install your chat clients and email client etc
[20:05] <Kilos> the rest should work
[20:05] <Kilos> cheers alphaG 
[20:05] <alphaG> does pidgeon still exist
[20:06] <Kilos> yes i use it
[20:06] <Kilos> pidgin
[20:06] <alphaG> loved that lil app
[20:06] <alphaG> cheers
[20:06] <Kilos> for mxit,msn aim and everything else
[20:06] <Kilos> chow now
[20:50] <Kilos> wbb