=== ThatGraemeGuy_ is now known as ThatGraemeGuy [06:20] morning everyone [06:21] * mazal learned a nice lesson last night [06:23] charl, that script failed again last night. [06:24] Checked the destination this morning when I got up , nothing. Same as yesterday morning the rar file from a manual was gone and no new file there. [06:24] What got me wondering even further was the fact that a manual folder I created in the destination was also gone [06:31] Then a light went on , stopped looking at cron or the script as the problem and started looking at something that might be deleting files [06:32] And voila , found the culprit. An rsync job , from another script that runs 4am deltes the folder [06:33] So what seems to be happening , 12am the tar script runs and creates the file. At 4am another script deletes the contents of the same folder and rar file gone. [06:33] 6am I check and can't find file [06:34] Pointed this script with the dissapearing act to another folder now to test. I am fairly certain it will work now [06:45] morning all [06:48] Morning ThatGraemeGuy [07:11] morning mazal, ThatGraemeGuy [07:12] hey charl [07:40] maaz , coke please [07:40] Look in the fridge mazal Do you expect me to do everything for you [07:40] Maaz: coffee on [07:40] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [07:41] maaz , there any beer in there as well ? [07:41] mazal: Excuse me? [07:41] Maaz , beer , booze , hardehout [07:41] mazal: What? [07:41] hehe [07:41] Man I am so thirsty [07:41] Drove by shop twice now and didn't buy coke :( [07:42] Charl , you saw my feedback ? [07:42] Pebkac error with two parts: a. Not remembering exactly what an old script created long ago does , b. Pointing a second backup script to same location as old one [07:44] mazal: ah :) good to hear you got it sorted [07:44] hi Kilos [07:44] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:45] When I saw that empty folder again this morning I was like what the &^$%^$&^$ is going on. Actually thought at one stage there is a problem with the drive. This one really puzzled me [07:45] hi ChanServ ThatGraemeGuy inetpro and others [07:45] :D [07:45] tab autocomplete fail again [07:45] When I lost faith in the rsync one I should have either a. Disabled it in cron , or b. pointed the tar one to it's own seperate folder [07:46] oi! i didnt even see that sorry charl [07:46] hi mazal [07:46] More oom [07:47] lol Kilos [07:47] Oom Kilos , ek het die spook gevang wat my files delete die heel tyd lol [07:47] wat was dit mazal ? [07:48] Langerige storie , maar kom neer op my ou rsync backup script wat die rar files delete elke oggend 4uur [07:48] lol [07:49] this hexchat decided i need a new channel open here [07:49] Soos ek nou daar gese het , toe ek die nuwe een gemaak het moes ek daai ou script gaan disabled het of die nuwe een na sy eie folder toe gestuur het [07:49] ##unavailable [07:49] amper 500 mense daar [07:50] ah conflicting scripts [07:50] rsync goes like " Hang on , these are not on my source , I am deleting this " lol [07:50] die een steel die ander een se pap [07:50] Which is my fault not rsync's [07:50] well apologise to rsync [07:51] Well at least that is what I am thinking anyway. Is the only thing that makes sense. Will see tomorrow morning if my files are there or not. I pointed them to their own seperate destination [07:51] lol good luck [07:52] Only question left now [07:53] Oom rsync nog steeds in moeilikheid oor backup data wat korup was. Dis wat die hele gesukkel met 'n tweede backup laat begin het [07:54] ai! [07:54] Maar ek gaan daai nog toets sodra ek die tyd het. Ek vermoed ek weet wat gebeur het [07:55] Maar is lang test om dit te toets [07:55] Ek dink saterdag oggend [07:55] eina man, geduld help [07:56] Jy sien daai rsync hardloop in cron elke 3 ure. Ek dink dat die probleem het op my life data gekom , toevallig net na dit toe hardloop die sync wat die probleem toe backup. Toe ek teruglaai toe laai ek die probleem terug [07:56] Oom verstaan wat ek bedoel ? [07:57] ja [07:57] MAW , dit het dit laat lyk of die backup useless [07:57] Wat my vertroue in resync laat verloor het [07:58] is daar iewers n plek waar jy kan sien watter scripts jy in het [07:58] Dit skep vir my 'n nuwe probleem. Auto backups is nie noodwendig betroubaar nie ( want dit backup probleme ). Ek moet either manual backups ook byhou. OF 'n hele clomp verskillende scripts maak wat elkeen op 'n ander dag run [07:59] eish [08:00] First though , to test my theory and to get my trust in rsync back , I have to let the back run at midnight. Next morning make a manual backup. Then go delete the source data on purpose [08:00] Then put back the rsync backup. [08:00] sjoe [08:01] If rsync data fine , then I think my theory is correct. THEN I must start creating a script for every day of the week to a seperate folder for each one to prevent auto backup of problems [08:01] If last one backed up the error. Then go 1 day back [08:01] morning Kilos [08:01] Or just do a manual as well every day [08:01] Dunno yet what is best option [08:02] mazal: I still think you need to install a proper backup app. it solves all these problems [08:02] ThatGraemeGuy, I was unable to find one with scheduling [08:02] deja-dup [08:02] ? [08:03] heh, ok then [08:03] If you guys know of any please share [08:03] AND it must be able to kill process before start AND start processes after backup [08:04] That is the thing I struggle the most with to find in a backup app [08:04] http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ [08:04] Many has the scheduling covered , but I struggle with that stop and start processes part [08:06] many have [08:07] I'm looking at that link of ThatGraemeGuy now [08:11] mazal: Also have a look at crashplan [08:12] * mazal makes notes [08:12] hi bushtech_ [08:13] more Kilos [08:13] And I don't even need something heavy advanced. Just backup home , do it in a schedule , stop processes before , start processes after [08:13] No need even for system file backup. My imaging has that covered [08:15] if you wanted to get really fancy you could make your script triggered by udev so that plugging in a specific usb drive would automatically run your backup script [08:15] well that wouldn't help if its always plugged in i suppose [08:16] but if that were the case its not a very useful backup anyway [08:16] I don't need any such fancy things. Just those few basic stuff [08:16] sometimes we don't do these things because we need them, but because "wooo, look what I managed to do!" [08:17] ;-) [08:17] It must basically shutdown names processes. Backup folder a to destination b. Start processes [08:17] Is actually a very basic thing I need [08:24] pkill --signal term namepfprocess [08:24] sleep 15 [08:24] pkill --signal kill nameofprocess [08:24] rsync $OPTS [08:24] done [08:25] What's the difference between pkill and killall ? [08:26] uuuuh [08:26] the 1 is 1 character shorter [08:26] :-p [08:26] kewl [08:26] i think killall works for specific names, and pkill does pattern matching [08:27] Just wondered if there is a disadvantage to killall [08:27] but i've have to read their man pages to determine what the differences were [08:27] or google it even [08:29] http://askubuntu.com/a/27504 [08:45] just gonna restart hexchat [08:49] good mornings [08:49] morning inetpro [08:49] morning inetpro [08:50] morning inetpro [09:03] How do you break a screen card so that the whole vga port sits inside the chassis [09:04] How on earth do you achieve that ! [10:15] Maaz, wb [10:15] Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend [10:15] ty cocooncrash [10:22] oh my inetpro topic bar needs updating sometime please [12:44] Bye everyone , nice evening [14:30] aw. almost got to go home at 13:00 [14:30] without electricity and external telkom UPS's ran down [14:30] but then as we are about to leave, it came back :'( [14:34] lol [14:45] good afternoon [14:45] hi charl [14:45] hi Kilos [14:45] phew hectic day [14:45] is it coffee time? [14:45] every day whole day is coffee time [14:45] Maaz, coffee on [14:45] * Maaz washes some mugs [14:45] there is no such thing as coffee no-time [14:46] Maaz: coffee please [14:46] charl: Righto [14:46] Maaz: large [14:46] In a beer mug just for you charl [14:46] that's what i like to hear [14:47] a german bierhumpen [14:48] thats how i drink my tea [14:48] 500ml beer mug [14:48] very good [14:48] at oktoberfest we drink 1 litre [14:48] sjoe [14:49] beer is yucky stuff man [14:49] Coffee's ready for Kilos and charl! [14:50] a beer shandy with 80%lemonade i can handle [14:50] Maaz, danke [14:50] Bitteschön [14:50] Maaz: danke [14:50] Bitteschön [14:50] Kilos: this is a real beer glass http://www.sixthseal.com/images/beer%205l%201.jpg [14:51] http://www.sixthseal.com/images/beer%205l%202.jpg [14:51] Maaz: coffee please [14:51] nuvolari: There isn't a pot on [14:51] drinking beer... liek a boss ! [14:51] Maaz: beer please [14:51] nuvolari: *blink* [14:52] oh you know all right [14:53] Kilos what you want is a radler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radler [14:53] The Radler (literally "cyclist", which refers to its reputation as popular sports drink) is a beer-based mixed drink (Biermischgetränk) with a long history in German-speaking regions. [14:54] na im happy with tea and coffee [14:54] lol [14:55] radler became ridiculously populair here in NL now recently [14:55] it all happened in the last 6 or so months [14:55] people selling radler now everywhere [14:55] i think it's a girl drink [14:55] no such thing as a girl drink [14:55] i remember an old nambrew advertisement "we don't drink pink drinks, dave, always keep it real" [14:56] you know what is nice though, old brown sherry when its cold [14:56] haha i remember that add yes [14:57] we had it with some other drink [14:58] we don't drink a shady shandy, dave, always keep it real [14:58] a good sherry is nice (on the odd occasion) [14:59] ok i'm off [14:59] ttyl all [14:59] ok [16:10] yikes! [16:11] having to deal with a mail queue of more than 80,000 messages is a lot of fun [16:30] ouch [17:30] son of a bitch, I just sprained my ankle [17:30] :( [17:54] Symmetria: bah, how did that happen ? [17:55] inetpro: mail messages ? [18:16] haha inetpro are you reading them all or just need to route them somewhere [18:18] hi smile [18:18] hi smile [18:19] hi! :D [18:19] how are you smile [18:20] Linux 3.16 will be used by the next release of Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora :o [18:20] charl: fine, just tired :) Listening music now. How're you? [18:20] i'm doing well [18:20] also a little tired but it's almost weekend :D [18:22] hi SilverCode [18:36] charl: that's right :) [18:37] holiday time is coming for me now [18:37] have to enjoy what is left of this summer [18:38] not that i feel we really had much of a summer with this weather [18:38] but yeah high in the 30s is also not my idea of nice weather like what we had a short while ago [18:38] I'm over winter, ready for summer. [18:40] smile: do you happen to have any recommendations for vps providers in europe? i'm growing a little dissatisfied with hetzner [18:42] i'm looking at tilaa and netcup right now [18:42] there's digital ocean but they're american (i'm worried about latency) [18:44] tried transip but they have extortionist pricing if you go over 1tb [18:44] charl: Linode has presence in London, if that works for you [18:44] linde is ridiculously expensive last time i checked [18:44] not much more than others... [18:45] lemme take a look now ... [18:45] at the time that I looked they were the cheapest option [18:45] and they're always upgrading the packages [18:45] ah i see, they dropped their pricing quite sharply [18:45] that's actually quite affordable [18:46] but once again i see bandwidth limits [18:46] what happens if you go over that 2TB ? [18:47] transip also had that but then you have to pay some extortionist price and you can't block it [18:50] i actually sent them a mail "what happend when i get ddosed" they answered basically "your problem" [18:52] charl, Kilos: email [18:52] luckily I could just delete them from the queue [18:52] ah all spam ? [18:53] wow you a popular guy inetpro so many emails! whew [18:53] a bug was introduced on the web server [18:53] the MTA just marked them all as frozen [18:53] charl: I don't know how I'd manage 2TB a month [18:54] nah i'm just worried about ddoses [18:54] where i work we have them almost every week now [18:54] once hit 40gbps incoming [18:54] which is our internet capacity btw [18:54] charl: well I suppose it depends on (a) what you use it for and (b) how much you cheese people off [18:55] nah i don't like to take unnecessary risks [18:55] these kids with the booters are having a ball at other people's expense [18:55] "smile: do you happen to have any recommendations for vps providers in europe? i'm growing a little dissatisfied with hetzner" -> no :P no experience :) [18:55] good night! :p [18:55] night smile :) [18:56] night smile sleep tight [18:56] good night smile [18:57] thanks guys :) [19:28] good evenings [19:29] hi alphaG [19:29] kilos howzit [19:29] welcome to ubintu-za [19:29] who are you hehe [19:29] ubuntu-za as well [19:29] all this time trying to get back here. looking for n app [19:30] what app? [19:30] web browser works fine then :D [19:30] irc app for blackberry. [19:30] eish [19:31] I'm sure there are some.... somewhere.... [19:31] I have. a question I finally got to install wubuntu [19:31] ya there have been peeps here on their blackberries [19:31] they suck superfly I'm chattn via browser now web application. [19:32] Maaz, google irr for blackberry [19:32] Kilos: "Coller Capital IRR Calculator - BlackBerry World" http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/55311?lang=en :: "NPV/IRR | NPV/IRR Android App | NPV/IRR BlackBerry App | NPV ..." https://businesscompassllc.com/NPV/IRR :: "irr calculator free download - Softonic" http://en.softonic.com/s/irr-calculator :: "Laura Marling "Blackberry Stone" IRR Acoustic [19:32] Sessions - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdA81MVEQp8 :: "XE: (IRR/EUR) Iranian Ria… [19:32] ai! [19:32] anyhow back to my question. back in the day I installed compiz on wubuntu install. and loved it. [19:32] Maaz, google irc app for blackberry [19:32] Kilos: "AndroIRC - BlackBerry World" http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/86078/?lang=EN :: "jmIrc - Java mobile IRC-client (J2ME)" http://jmirc.sourceforge.net/ :: "The Virca IRC MIDlet! - VidarHolen.net" http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/virca/ :: "BlackBerry 10 IRC Client - Wishful Coding" http://pepijndevos.nl/2013/08/17/blackberry-10-irc- [19:32] client.html :: "Free AndroIRC IRC Client Ported to the BlackBerry PlayBook ..." http://www.berryrev… [19:33] is it possible to Install compiz offline on 12.04 [19:33] if you have the package and dependancies yes [19:34] and I can get that at ubuntu.packages? [19:35] do you want to download the packages on another pc ? [19:35] last time I got compiz effects I was usi g gnome.. [19:36] I don't have internet access right now.. only monday again. but if I can somehow download packages via blackberry that would be awesome. [19:37] ive never tried getting individual packages from the repos [19:37] superfly, can you advise please [19:38] as far as I know, compiz is part of Unity [19:38] all you should need to do is enable the fancy effects [19:38] how you do that in Ubuntu I don't know, perhaps you need one of those tweak tools? [19:38] u have mailed me a method on how to do this a while back. if can remember [19:38] unity-tweak [19:39] unity-tweak-tool [19:39] I'm new to unity ..very new [19:39] alphaG, who mailed you? [19:40] u kilos [19:40] then compiz is already installed [19:40] you will need to get online and run 2 commands [19:40] sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade [19:41] eish no online till monday.. boss [19:41] only bb online. [19:41] then it should all work and you use unity-tweak-tool to personalise things [19:41] use the bb as a modem [19:42] there must be a way to do that [19:42] ok danke [19:42] no then I need data [19:42] have you got a data cable for it [19:42] oh [19:42] add on bundle [19:42] can bb download stuff free? [19:43] yeah I do unless some kind person here knows how to use BIS as modem [19:43] via the browsers on the phone yes -kilos [19:44] wow thats nice of them [19:44] but you dont need to download compiz it should already be installed [19:44] is jy verseker [19:45] those 2 commands should give you a fully working system [19:45] ok I'm going to check now. [19:45] ek is nou hier op unity [19:45] i didnt need to install unity later [19:47] not unity sorry compiz [19:48] but u probablly updated everything anyway righg? [19:49] kilos u on whatsapp? [19:50] no i cant get whatapp on pc and cell too old [19:51] yes ubuntu installs the system and update/upgrade sorts all things that didnt work right on the basic install and adds new security upgrades etc [19:51] Telegram! [19:52] telegrams on my android only [19:52] does telegram work on pc superfly ? [19:52] tdesktop.org [19:54] can't find tweak here [19:54] haha i click that link and it goes to https://tdesktop.com/ [19:54] you have to install unity-tweak-tool once updated [19:55] do you have synaptic installed? [19:55] ai install install [19:55] nothing installed just 12.04 alongside vista [19:55] cudnt boot so I changed bios settn [19:56] I had to leave pc lab before I could run an update [19:56] ai! [19:56] yeah... [19:56] ai ya yai. [19:57] wait unity tweak tool is for 14.04 i didnt register you are on 12.04 [19:57] update/upgrade then try 12.04 you often need nothing more other than your own programs you like [19:57] yeah I need to update to 14.04 [19:58] 12.04 is good too but near life end i think [19:58] what's betyer updAte or download iso [19:58] expire 2017 I think [19:58] mixed opinions there [19:58] last time u told me to get a friend to download and I did. [19:59] i prefer iso download and new install. fly always upgrades and he is the clever one [19:59] I only got around to installing it now [19:59] whew ive forgotten that [19:59] yes its a long time I know. [20:00] but getting there none the less [20:00] if you have 12.04 going then run it when you can go online and update , you might like to stay there till it expires, i found 14.04 more work [20:00] I've read somewhere about super OS [20:01] ubuntu with added drivers etc all in one aimed at offline peeps [20:02] I have net access at lab so its just a matter of time. [20:02] i dont know it [20:02] once imsorted I will chat via ubuntu and let u know. [20:03] cool [20:04] 12.04 std instal is not bad tho. for nw jusy sucks having no wifi... with so much potential . like sitting in a custom car with no gas just chilling in the garage. [20:04] im happy with unity and more so with kubuntu, just its a bit heavier [20:04] lol [20:05] chat soon hopefully goodnight [20:05] but once updated you will only need to install your chat clients and email client etc [20:05] the rest should work [20:05] cheers alphaG [20:05] does pidgeon still exist [20:06] yes i use it [20:06] pidgin [20:06] loved that lil app [20:06] cheers [20:06] for mxit,msn aim and everything else [20:06] chow now [20:50] wbb