[07:06] <ochosi> hm, have any of you guys used thunar's file templates ever?
[07:07] <ochosi> i personally haven't, but i feel it sucks a bit that we have a menu that's always empty there...
[07:07] <ochosi> File > Create Document > No templates installed (is what i'm referring to)
[07:10] <forestpiskie> ochosi: nope - not me
[07:11] <ochosi> morning pixie/elfy
[07:12] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[09:36] <bluesabre_> morning ochosi/elfy
[09:45] <ochosi> hey bluesabre_ 
[09:45] <knome> g'day
[09:45] <bluesabre> hey knome
[09:45] <bluesabre> whats up guys?
[09:46] <knome> manually upgrading a wordpress 3.5 site to 3.9.2. fun!
[09:47] <bluesabre> woo!
[09:48] <knome> well, it's easier now
[09:48] <knome> ...that i've just manually upgraded a wordpress 3.6 site to 3.9.2
[09:48] <knome> one more to go after this ;)
[10:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: tested light-locker's dbus interface today for the first time
[10:22] <ochosi> it's a bit more than half-ready i guess
[10:23] <bluesabre> yeah, saw that
[10:23] <bluesabre> slow and steady, eh
[10:23] <bluesabre> :)
[10:30] <elfy> hi bluesabre 
[10:33] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[10:33] <bluesabre> how are things?
[10:33] <knome> hey elfy
[10:34] <elfy> hi knome 
[10:34] <elfy> bluesabre: ok thanks :) week off and the sun is mostly out 
[10:34] <knome> woot :)
[10:34] <knome> hope the sun isn't too hot ;)
[10:40] <elfy> nope - this IS england :p
[10:43] <knome> hah, well this is finland and it's too hot in here...
[10:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: lordy, ppl still keep commenting on the black screen bugreport...
[10:48] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes, I have no love for light-locker these days
[10:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: not sure what to do about that though
[10:52] <bluesabre> at this point, I think it's probably more of an issue with Xorg
[10:52] <ochosi> well, it's multiple problems, but i guess the main issue is VT switching + suspend
[10:52] <ochosi> or, even more compressed: VT switching
[10:52] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:52] <elfy> trouble is we don't know what these people posting have done in the meantime - only what they say they've done
[10:53] <bluesabre> yup
[10:53] <ochosi> yeah, and in fact ppl are misattributing all kinds of issues to this bug
[10:53] <elfy> I'd bet my last penny - that they are different bugs
[10:53] <ochosi> it has become a sort of catch-all
[10:53] <bluesabre> yup
[10:54] <bluesabre> several times we've had reports from ubuntu users
[10:54] <bluesabre> where their compositor froze and left them with a black screen
[10:54] <elfy> so how about 
[10:54] <bluesabre> which had nothing to do with light-locker, which they didn't have installed
[10:54] <ochosi> yeah, or those folks that just have general suspend bugs because of the graphics stack or xorg or whatever...
[10:55] <elfy> unsubscribe us from it - make a note that the original bug is fixed and if people have other issues they should create new bug reports as we're no longer monitoring this one
[10:55] <ochosi> yeah, that sounds sensible
[10:56] <elfy> and specifically if *we* get notification once xubuntu-bugs is unsubscribed deal with that locally
[10:56] <elfy> shall I do that now ochosi ?
[10:56] <ochosi> yup, that'd be great
[10:56] <ochosi> thanks elfy 
[10:58] <ochosi> still, in the long run we have to deal with this somehow
[10:58] <ochosi> if vt switching is causing so much headache
[10:59] <brainwash> light-locker 2.0 :)
[10:59] <ochosi> yeah, but we need at least some sort of idea when that's going to happen
[11:00] <ochosi> thing is, that's something *i* definitely can't implement
[11:00] <ochosi> i guess cavalier wants to clean up the dbus branch first and release that as ll 1.6
[11:00] <elfy> ochosi: This bug has become a catch-all for issues that appear to be similar. The original issue is now fixed, the Xubuntu Team is no longer monitoring this bug.
[11:00] <elfy> too blunt? 
[11:00] <ochosi> :>
[11:00] <elfy> or just elfy enough 
[11:00] <brainwash> going back to xscreensaver is not an option =S
[11:01] <ochosi> it's quite blunt, but as i've mentioned this a few times in the report already, go for it
[11:01] <ochosi> brainwash: why not?
[11:01] <elfy> ok - xubuntu-bugs is unsubscribed and I've posted that :)
[11:01] <ochosi> thanks
[11:01] <elfy> we might get them via xfpm though - not sure
[11:02] <brainwash> because we just switched to light-locker which is the better (looking) solution
[11:02] <ochosi> well i'm not the last person to admit an honest mistake, if we start to feel that way
[11:03] <ochosi> what will suck though with xscreensaver is the fun settings duplication with xfpm :)
[11:03] <knome> i think we should just work wiht light-locker and keep improving it
[11:03] <ochosi> in a way, i'd personally prefer if we tried to improve the situation though
[11:03] <elfy> yay - they fixed the images \o/
[11:03] <knome> even if it took until 16.04
[11:04] <brainwash> right, 14.10 is just a play ground anyway, so no need to switch back
[11:05] <ochosi> well, "just a playground" might be a bit exaggerated, but yeah, i tend to see it that way
[11:06] <ochosi> as the recent vote on xchat has shown, the team doesn't agree on this though
[11:10] <bluesabre> the ones not in favor seem like they'd be in favor of having hexchat though for the sake of quick irc
[11:10]  * bluesabre advocates nothing
[11:12] <brainwash> knome: is this bug still present? bug 1307929
[11:12] <knome> to me, it looks like some people interpreted the question as "should we drop xchat forever" instead of "should we do an experiment with no xchat on one release"
[11:12] <knome> brainwash, i'll check that later today, or sth
[11:13] <bluesabre> yup
[11:13] <brainwash> knome: thanks
[11:14] <bluesabre> time for work, bbl
[11:14] <ochosi> hf bluesabre, ttyl
[11:15] <ochosi> elfy: if now a shitstorm arises, i hope we won't be subscribed anymore ;)
[11:15] <elfy> I disagreed on removing something and leaving nothing in it's place - pidgin is not a replacement 
[11:15] <elfy> ochosi: LOL
[11:16] <elfy> that argument is like taking a car from someone and giving them a motorbike as a replacement almost ;)
[11:16] <ochosi> do you really wanna start this discussion now? (cause i'm about to head out for lunch...)
[11:17] <elfy> nah not at all - that's all done now :)
[11:21] <ochosi> alright :)
[11:21] <ochosi> in that case i can quietly head out ;)
[11:22] <elfy> yep - have some lunch for me :)
[11:23]  * ochosi is on a diet
[11:23] <ochosi> but i'll make an exception for you, elfy 
[11:24] <ochosi> bbl
[11:24] <knome> bon appetit
[11:29] <elfy> ochosi: when you're back - I like the tab swicher :)
[15:23] <Unit193> Good luck with the CC check-in.
[16:10] <knome> oh.
[16:11] <skellat> Crap
[16:11] <skellat> What time was that supposed to be?
[16:11] <knome> in 50 mins.
[16:12] <knome> skellat, did you catch this link from IRC or the ML: http://xubuntu.org/team-calendar/ ? :)
[16:12] <skellat> No, actually I didn't
[16:13] <knome> well, there you go :)
[16:13] <knome> it incorporates the team calendar and the trello calendat
[16:13] <knome> *calendar
[16:24] <elfy> is there anything that we need from the CC?
[16:24] <elfy> that anyone else knows ... 
[16:24] <knome> don't think that we "need" anything
[16:25] <elfy> I didn't think so
[16:26] <Unit193> Mental help for the entire team...
[16:26] <elfy> can't ask for that ... 
[16:26] <knome> doubt the CC can help with that..
[16:26] <elfy> 2 of the team would have to self-administer ... 
[17:08] <knome> ochosi, pi-ping!
[17:09] <elfy> even anyone other than us two from team would be good ;)
[17:11]  * Unit193 pokes in for two seconds then out. ->
[17:34] <elfy> thanks knome :)
[17:34] <knome> np, and ty elfy 
[17:34] <elfy> :)
[17:40] <knome> bbl