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arrrghhhchriys, that's fine.  did you still have a question?02:03
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tewardi have an application that needs to run from /var/lib/ in its own folder and apache needs to be able to access it since it's a perl application02:29
tewardhow do i get that to work without a "Permission Denied" 403 error?02:29
PryMar56teward, somehow link it to /usr/lib/cgi-bin ?02:35
PryMar56teward apache has a pre-existing cgi config, take a look at it first02:36
tewardPryMar56: i'm not an apache user, so meh02:36
tewardthis app requires it though :/02:36
* teward pokes the configs02:36
PryMar56  grep -ir cgi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*02:38
PryMar56teward, I have enabled folders in /usr/share/* for cgi, but never /var/lib.. its no big deal02:42
PryMar56I don't see a reason why it won't work, except for some apparmour thing02:43
tewardPryMar56: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7984963/ is the output.  (this is the foswiki program, it apparently is all perl... :/)02:43
tewards/program/wiki software/02:43
PryMar56 /var/lib/foswiki is already setup for cgi?02:45
PryMar56maybe all you need is: apache2ctl graceful02:45
PryMar56a restart02:45
PryMar56perms on the perl app -> 75502:49
tewardbah i'll go look at this in the morning >.<03:04
R0ckEThi04:09
R0ckETI'm trying to run a command with cron as root, I get in the log but do not run anything, you have to configure something else?04:10
R0ckET$ sudo crontab -e04:10
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runfromnowhereI'm having a really tough time with KVM guests on Ubuntu 14.04 - under load, processes in the guests aren't being scheduled for multiple seconds.  I even got a message saying an interrupt took 7s.  Has anyone else seen issues like this using Ubuntu 14.04 server as the base for a virtual environment?05:43
lordievaderGood morning.05:44
runfromnowhereMorning :)05:45
lordievaderHey runfromnowhere, how are you?05:46
runfromnowhereNot so well, unfortunately05:47
grendal_primeanyone any good with maas yet?05:52
grendal_primei want to set it up and have the virtual machines running on the same server.  for now..i will add a second node later on.05:52
grendal_primeits just werid...ive tried several different howtos..but its...like im just not getting what is going on here05:53
grendal_primemaas is installed the web gui is working as it should i got the boot images to download.05:54
grendal_primejust seems like...something is missing..or..im just not understanding what the point of it is i guess05:55
sarnoldgrendal_prime: maas on its own is kinda neat but that's about as far as it goes. maas with juju is where things get interesting.06:27
grendal_primeya...but so really what i want to set up ...is this..i host several vms for various people...for various reasons...06:28
grendal_primebut right now i just kvm virtmanager ...and basically i just set it up so that they can rdp (via a vpn ) into those machines06:29
grendal_primeits getting to be sort of an issue to manage them.  I would prefer to have them http-vnc into the machines but setting that up has been..well not fun.  I was hoping i could use  a mas server to set up user accounts that people  could log into...fire up their own vm and run it through a web-vnc interface.06:30
sarnoldgrendal_prime: hrmm, from what I know of maas, I don't think the admin console is intended to be used by different 'adminstrative' users; if you're all pals, maybe it'd work okay, but I sure wouldn't build a business on that specific feature...06:31
sarnoldgrendal_prime: you could probably provide your own cloud-init data source on the maas server and get some specific install steps done easily enough though -- installing packages, creating a standard user for them to start with, something like that06:32
grendal_primeI guess i just dont understand what i would use it for then....i was under the impression it was for setting up just that sort of thing06:33
sarnoldgrendal_prime: as I understand maas, it's really intended to be used in one "adminstrative domain" -- say, an IT group of a company -- and developers could use juju to deploy new services to the physical machines -- turn them on, install an OS, configure some local settings, install services, run the services -- and at some point grow services or shrink services or tear the whole thing back down again when the job is over06:36
sarnoldgrendal_prime: sort of like ec2, but without virtualization overhead -- and without the extensive ec2 access control mechanisms. heh.06:36
grendal_primewow..i was way off base then.  I thought it was for manageing virtual infrastructure06:37
sarnoldgrendal_prime: you may be thinking of openstack?06:37
grendal_primeya06:37
sarnoldopenstack aims at providing all the ec2-style infrastructure .. but with more interchangable pieces, depending upon local needs. I think.06:38
grendal_primeit was totally connected with openstack so i thought it was sort of the same thing06:38
grendal_primehmm...i need to build an openstack server then i guess.06:38
grendal_primeand that looks a bit more complicated than i orginally wanted to go06:38
sarnoldgrendal_prime: well, they -can- be connected. say, you've got some storage nodes and image nodes up all the time, but your compute nodes come and go as you need them, and you could use maas to turn them on and off...06:39
sarnoldgrendal_prime: but that's getting pretty far out of my experience06:39
sarnoldmy favorite line ever is about setting up a high-availability OpenStack cluster needing 28 machines...06:39
grendal_primeya this is starting to make a lot more sence now..basically maas is just that..it manages bring up resources and shutting them down.06:39
grendal_primebut not the actual client to the end machine connection part.06:40
sarnoldit'd be nice to see some documentation of _small_ openstack clusters, too. I'm curious just how fe wmachines you could use an dstill get something useful out of it.06:40
sarnoldgrendal_prime: sounds right06:40
grendal_primemore like..."hey this guy needs a mysql database"  mass fires it up and makes it available.06:41
sarnoldright; and depending upon the hardware available, it could be "this needs to be a huge machine with 16 cores and 144 gigabytes of memory" or "this is a small service, one core and 512 megs is fine"06:42
grendal_primei have a nice little kvm setup here. I use to have 4 machines runing core duos in them 2 each. I had them all set up to do live migration it was sweet.06:42
sarnoldniiice06:42
sarnoldI've wanted to try live migration, but, uh, between the laptop and the pandaboard, it's just not going to happen. :)06:43
grendal_primeya but man they ate up a tone of power.  i replaced them all with a poweredge that uses 1/5th the power.06:43
grendal_primebut..see i could have used maas for some stuff on that06:43
sarnoldoooo06:44
grendal_primehmm found a openstact virtual apliance for kvm06:47
grendal_primemaybe ill give that a shot06:47
sarnoldgrendal_prime: vmaas thing?06:48
grendal_primeno its just openstack06:48
sarnoldah okay06:48
sarnoldwhat'd you find? :) I'm curious ..06:48
grendal_primehttp://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_obtaining_images.html06:49
grendal_primei can just upload that to my kvm server and run it as a vm06:49
sarnoldgrendal_prime: ahhhh. I think those are just boring OS images. you've already got to have an openstack or ec2 or whatever already up and running to use those.06:50
sarnoldsmoser: ha! I hadn't seen that "The password is cubswin:)" before. awesome. :)06:51
smosersarnold, next year is our year!06:52
sarnoldsmoser :D06:52
sarnoldwelcome back xnox :)06:55
sarnoldgrendal_prime: bedtime; have fun!06:58
grendal_primeyou to06:58
sarnoldthanks06:58
xnoxsarnold: you'd think in 2014 xchat could synchronise settings across desktop and laptop =)06:59
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F1skrHow do I check wheter a service is based on upstart or sysV?09:34
kklimondaupstart services live in /etc/init/09:36
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glcheethamHi guys, I have a postfix server that can send but not receive, emails sent to it get returned to sender with "Recipient not found", can anyone help?10:02
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rbasakjamespage: have you seen bug 1353923?11:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1353923 in docker.io "Installing Docker Breaks KVM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135392311:21
rbasak(as I've seen Docker activity from you today...)11:21
thys_so the security has been breached on my commercial webserver found a bunch of scriptkiddy stuff in a old joomla site which had to liberal permission. He uploaded the stuff two days ago and seemed to aim for elevating privileges. They files are deleted and the permissions are set lower @644. What else should I look for?11:26
jamespagerbasak, I'd not seen that11:33
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zartoosh__HI I am using ubuntu 14.04, boot into uefi mode. I am using eifbootmgr to change the boot order. The efibootmgr takes boot number as argument , i.e. Boot000x. I like to know could I use boot label ID, e.g "ubuntu" ? thx12:20
coreycbzul, jamespage : here's the bug for openstack icehouse 2014.1.2 -- bug 135415912:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1354159 in openstack-trove "[SRU] icehouse 2014.1.2 point release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135415912:26
zulcoreycb:  awesome-o12:26
SP33Dcan some one tell me how to set server hostnames realy right? i think i do something wrong sometimes it works but i now whant to fix that! when a server runs for example on go.com and responds on that host whats its hostname its go? for example if i have 3 servers go.com s1.go.com s2.go.com s3.go.com12:42
pmatulisSP33D: the hostnames are go, s1, s2, and s3.  the fully qualified domain names (FQDN) are go.com, s1.go.com, s2.go.com, and s3.go.com .  does that help?12:52
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rbasakzul, coreycb, matsubara, jamespage, gnuoy, gaughen, kickinz1, bei14:00
rbasaksner-afk, rharper, lutostag-away, smoser, hallyn: ready for another merge sprint14:00
rbasak?14:00
rbasakbeisner: ^^14:00
matsubarahi rbasak14:00
rbasaklutostag: ^^14:00
rbasakCopy and paste fail :-/14:00
coreycbjamespage, zul:  horizon is ready for review:  https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/horizon/2014.1.2/+merge/23011314:00
rbasakI think smoser, jamespage and gaughen will probably not be able to make it.14:00
* patdk-wk merges the above14:00
rbasakEveryone else: my team are going to do some virtual sprinting for the next couple of hours to get a bunch of server packages merged and sponsored.14:01
rbasakFeel free to watch, or join in, etc. There are sponsors here to try and help and get packages and other server fixes landed.14:01
rbasakhttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html is a list of ~ubuntu-server subscribed packages that may need a merge14:01
rbasakhttps://merges.ubuntu.com/ has the full list14:01
coreycbrbasak, I'm working on icehouse so might skip today or pick one up to merge later - I did get exim4 done last week though14:01
rbasakhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging is a helpful guide14:01
patdk-wkah, :)14:01
patdk-wksounds like catching up to me :)14:01
rbasakWe're tracking work in progress at http://pad.ubuntu.com/server-team-merges14:02
rbasakcoreycb: no problem. Thank you for doing exim4!14:02
zulill be around in about half hour14:02
hallynyeah same here14:03
coreycbzul, can you review this?  https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/trove/fix-for-1347567/+merge/23011014:04
rbasakI'm fully available today. Normal service is restored :)14:04
zulcoreycb: its on my todo list14:04
coreycbzul, thanks14:04
beisnero/  hi, had to bounce the box14:06
darksiderhi all14:16
darksiderI have a riddle for you guys: when I boot ubuntu server, screen goes blank (system still works). If I disable ACPI support in BIOS, everything works fine. But if I use ACPI=off kernel option, screen still goes blank14:16
patdk-wk!ebox14:20
ubottuzentyal is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Zentyal (Project formally known as eBox - including in Lucid/10.04).14:20
TJ-darksider: broken BIOS, probably the DSDT14:21
darksiderTJ-: can I do anything about it?14:22
TJ-darksider: There may be kernel ACPI module options that will affect it, but figuring out *which* might be complex. The best thing is to make a bug report on Launchpad and attach two "/var/log/dmesg", one from a good-screen boot (without ACPI) and one from a lost-screen boot (with ACPI)14:24
TJ-darksider: once you've done that, let us know the bug number and we can see if there's anything obvious that can be done14:24
darksiderTJ-: I'll get right to it. One question tho, if I disable ACPI kernel functionality (ACPI=off), how can it be possible to still have this problem?14:26
TJ-darksider: It could be something the BIOS is (is not) doing when it enables ACPI that upsets things later... such as not fully programming the VGA device or PCI bus registers14:27
TJ-darksider: as always, check for BIOS updates too :)14:29
coreycbjamespage, zul: trove is ready for review - https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/trove/2014.1.2/+merge/23011914:29
patdk-wktj, actually sounds like an old intel video chipset14:29
patdk-wkmaybe add the no??? what was it called option?14:29
darksiderTJ-: Tried that, the machine is an embedded PC (by Advantech) with an Atom CPU, Intel Graphics (right coreycb)14:30
patdk-wknomodeset kernel option14:30
darksiderthere are no new updates for the bios, patdk-wk: tried nomodeset, same result14:30
patdk-wkah14:30
TJ-darksider: It may be as simple as needing "acpi_backlight=vendor" on the kernel command line14:31
TJ-darksider: Depends on what kind of PC it is - integrated display or separate14:31
darksiderTJ-: to be more specific, what i get is "no video input" on my screen14:32
darksiderTJ-: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07)14:32
lutostagrbasak: taking a look at vsftpd, looks like the Vcs-Git is wrong; should I try to track down the correct one, remove it, or leave it as is?14:33
lutostagah looks like it was orphaned with the latest debian release of that pkg14:35
darksiderTJ-: tried "acpi_backlight=vendor" option, same result14:38
TJ-darksider: It was a vague hope :) ... the log files will hopefully provide some clues14:40
darksiderTJ-: excuse my ignorance (new at this), can I report the bug tru web?14:51
cfhowlett!bug | darksider14:52
ubottudarksider: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.14:52
coreycbjamespage, zul:  ceilometer is ready for review - https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/ceilometer/2014.1.2/+merge/23012014:56
zulcoreycb: cool starting to look14:56
coreycbzul, thanks14:56
darksidercfhowlett: Thank, the bug-report app seems to have a GUI interface and I dont have X installed15:03
runfromnowhereHey - I'm having some major KVM resource contention issues on Ubuntu Server 14.04, Is there anyone around with experience working with this who could give me some pointers?15:05
patdk-wknot really15:05
patdk-wkwe don't even know your problem15:05
patdk-wk!ask15:06
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience15:06
runfromnowhereI'm having a really tough time with KVM guests on Ubuntu 14.04 - When either the host or the guests are under load, processes in the guests aren't being scheduled for multiple seconds.  I've even seen an interrupt take 7s.  The host is large (24 cores, 128GB RAM) and very undercommitted so I don't believe it's actually running out of resources.  Are there any tools or methods I could use to start to determine what is ...15:08
runfromnowhere... causing this behavior?  Is this just "normal" for running KVM guests?15:08
patdk-wkI would look straight at your disks, likely first15:09
patdk-wkwhat is iostat showing?15:10
runfromnowhereUnfortunately it's not currently a time of duress for the server, but during those times iostat was showing pretty heavy disk usage.  However I'm not 100% sure if it's related for a few reasons - the disk activity was on 6 drives that are not the OS drives, the VMs in question are mounted via network-backed storage (Ceph RBD), and the processes on the VM in question aren't I/O based, should be mostly memory resident and ...15:12
runfromnowhere... are complaining about not being scheduled as opposed to blocking on I/O.  I could be totally wrong, of course, but this is what's led me to think it might be something other than a disk issue :)15:12
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hallyngnuoy: the pad still shows you blocked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moin/+bug/1351331 , but it looks like it's now fix released15:29
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1351331 in moin "Please merge moin 1.9.7-2  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]15:29
hallynbarry has apparently sponsored it?15:29
hallyn(in other words, pls update the pad if you are in fact done :)15:32
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zulhallyn:  i was going to package granite and python2-lxc if you dont have a problem with it15:35
hallynzul: stgraber might object to python2-lxc being packaged, but it sounds good to me15:37
zulstgraber: ^^^15:37
stgraberI'm not opposed to it and was sort of expecting this to come up since it's the only way we can get the openstack support working for now15:37
hallyncool15:38
zulstgraber:  cool15:38
beisnerhi runfromnowhere - i've not seen such contention issues with kvm on trusty 14.04. it's difficult to advise with so many physical and logical variations possible.16:05
beisnerrunfromnowhere, as mentioned i'd start with disk io and network performance testing -- phys to phys, virt to phys, and virt to virt.  iostat, atop, htop, bonnie, stress & iperf are probably what I'd use to test and watch in real time.16:06
runfromnowherebeisner: Yeah part of what has me so agitated about this problem is how many variables there are - it's really tough to pin one down and test it!16:08
runfromnowhereI was mostly wondering if the answer was "Yep that's just broken right now" or "You fool - everyone knows you set X or do Y before running VMs!"...heh you never know what you don't know :).  But I'll see if I can get more detailed information with those performance testing tools!16:09
patdk-wkiostat -x, and likely 10 or 1 second intervals16:09
patdk-wk10 is better for general16:09
patdk-wkbut 1 second is needed sometimes to notice stalls like your describing16:10
patdk-wkbut produces so much info it's alittle annoying :)16:10
runfromnowhereHmm looks like a day of vigilance for me :)16:11
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runfromnowhereI've come up with a few ideas for causes too, so I guess it's time to experiment and monitor!16:12
runfromnowhereThanks for the advice :)16:12
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arrrghhhNivex, seems we're getting some answers in -devel16:52
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Nivexarrrghhh: cool! What's the Reader's Digest version?17:42
arrrghhhNivex, I never saw a link to the offending bugs, but there was a few blockers17:43
arrrghhh<infinity> rbasak: There were a few update-manager bugs that made the upgrade explode.  Those should be fixed.17:43
arrrghhhsounds like Monday they'll flip it on, assuming nothing else is discovered between now & then :)17:44
NivexProbably the ones I found on that wiki page.17:44
arrrghhhsounds likely17:44
arrrghhhI'm already on 14.04... managed to muck up my old 12.04 installation with some bind mount madness.17:45
arrrghhhI haven't broken a system that bad in years :/17:45
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smoserhallyn, around ?18:18
hallynsmoser: yeah, though i'm about to go for a walk after i push some patches.  what's up18:25
smoseri was thinking about a container without a network namespace18:25
smoserbut doc says that that causes issues if host+guest==upstart18:25
hallynyes18:26
smoserso that pretty much makes that a non-possibility18:26
smoseris that right?18:26
hallynyup18:26
coreycbzul, jamespage: nova is ready for review -  https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/nova/2014.1.2/+merge/23012818:26
smoserbah.18:26
smoserthat stinks.18:26
hallynsmoser: there's no way to segregate the abstract unix domain sockets unfortunately18:26
hallynnow with unprivileged you shoudl be fine18:26
smoserwell, yeah, but i'm guessing with unpriviled you can't access the network devices18:27
smoserwhich kind of defeats me18:27
smoseras thats why i wanted the no-network-namespacd18:27
hallynyou might be able to use apparmor these days18:27
hallynsarnold: ^ can apparmor now filter out access to abstract unix domain paths?18:27
hallynoh, well,18:28
tyhickshallyn: very soon18:28
hallynhaha, that won't work, your container wont 'start18:28
hallynnm18:28
tyhickshallyn: hopefully it'll be in the utopic kernel by the end of next week18:28
hallyntyhicks: that's nice18:29
hallynnot useful for smoser, but a good thing18:29
sarnoldhallyn: soon...18:29
* tyhicks nods18:29
smoserhallyn, so any other tricks?18:29
smoserthe basic thing pushing me here was wanting to put maas in a container, but not have to deal with bridging the real nic18:30
hallynsmoser: what has to be in the container?  Can you simply use it as an application container, without upstart?18:35
hallyni.e. lxc-execute -n $container maas-server18:35
hallynthen it should be fine without its own netns18:35
sarnoldheh, maas has webserver bits and pxeboot bits and dhcp bits and .. it's not just one simple daemon18:36
smoserright.18:36
smoserwe might be able to get something up that way. but definitely would be work.18:37
sarnoldyou might be able to get away without an init, but it might take a ton of work..18:37
smoserprobably more work then just using the bridge18:37
hallynsarnold: well it does *have* an init :)  just not upstart18:37
sarnold:)18:37
hallyncan upstart be started with a custom socket path?18:37
coreycbzul, jamespage :  neutron is ready for review -- https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/neutron/2014.1.2/+merge/23011619:16
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Nivexarrrghhh: I think I'll pull the trigger on my main home server before then now that I know what's up and wait to upgrade my friend's machine until later.19:43
arrrghhhNivex, should be Monday, if you want to wait till then on your home rig.19:43
NivexI've been antsy for two weeks now.19:43
arrrghhhlol19:43
arrrghhhI'm still not sure how I blew up mine.  A bit baffled to be honest, but reinstall was the easiest workaround19:44
coreycbzul, jamespage :  cinder is ready for review -- https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/cinder/2014.1.2/+merge/23012319:53
SCHAAP137anyone have an idea when openssl-1.0.1i will be in the apt-get repositories for 14.04 ?19:55
ahmadgbghi, im having a very weird problem. Im currently installing Ubuntu Server 14.04. While partitioning and choosing "physical volume for RAID" im not able to change the bootflag to "on". i cant even choose "primary" or "logical" partition. help?19:57
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pmatulisSCHAAP137: does it corrent something noteworthy?20:03
pmatulis*correct20:03
TakyojiCurious question: what would be the "ideal" networked setup for a small private school? LDAP/NFSv4 (as it is now), or Kerberos/SAMBA?20:07
TakyojiIt's currently just Ubuntu desktops and server that are part of the network. And also some Macs now, which aren't part of the networked setup20:08
Takyojiif there's any value to using Kerberos and/or SAMBA instead of LDAP directly and NFS, or if it's just more stress20:12
KLVTZA question of best practice: I currently have a web applications projects with multiple sub-domains --about three. Earlier in this project, an unnamed bastard decided to keep our sub domain apps in seperate locations in our linux environment. Now after planning on unifying the application into one master folder, it left me with a bit of wonder..20:50
KLVTZis the most coherent way in organizing a web application with multiple sub-domains lie only within folder organization20:51
KLVTZor is there another method of handling sub-domains. Perhaps using application files that are the same among domains but only differ in some logic20:52
KLVTZI should be clear that I want to know if there is a means of using files within an application that share commonality but only differ within their specific settings20:53
KLVTZthere's so much repetition in copying multiple sub-domains in folders that essentially share about 80% the same files20:53
coreycbjamespage, zul:  glance is ready for review -- https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/glance/2014.1.2/+merge/23018421:13
arrrghhhHow do I adjust a script to run later in the machine's startup?  I used update-rc.d defaults to add it to the startup... it added these K20blah S20blah scripts - do I just change that number to 99?21:46
sarnoldyes21:49
arrrghhhsarnold, is one the startup and one the shutdown script?21:51
sarnoldarrrghhh: yes, S for starting, K for killing21:51
arrrghhhcool thx21:51
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ahmadgbgHi, im trying to connect two ubuntu pc crossover. They cant ping eachother22:47
Patrickdkahmadgbg, why would you do that?22:50
Patrickdkjust use a normal network cable, and gigabit22:50
ahmadgbgPatrickdk, got it to work now :D did what you said22:51
Patrickdkcrossover is only needed for 100mbit or slower22:51
urdaQuestion: Why does `do-release-upgrade` still show "no new release found" on 12.04.5 servers? Shouldn't the point release be available for upgrade at this time?22:56
sarnoldurda: I believe it'll be repointed on monday22:57
urdasarnold: Is there a feed or list I could be watching so I can learn to determine this myself without bugging you lovely folks :p22:57
sarnoldurda: I saw the discussion on #ubuntu-devel a few hours ago, hehe22:57
urdasarnold: oh my lol22:58
sarnoldyeah :) hehe22:58
urdasarnold: so go poke them :p ?22:59
urdasarnold: lol22:59
sarnoldurda: well, no one wants to make a change that large on a friday23:00
urdasarnold: oh god no! I'm just trying to make sure I'm not missing something... as I couldn't find any news / documentation on it :\23:00
sarnoldurda: there were some annoying-enough bugs in the precise versions of the tools that needed to be addressed first, but it should be good to go for wider upgrades next week :)23:01
urdasarnold: I think a really nasty GRUB bug was one of them23:02
sarnoldurda: eww.23:02
urdasarnold: but don't quote me on it :x23:02
ahmadgbgI have a backup server with ubuntu. I dont want to run it throught the router but directly to the server. What is the best way to backup the server? BackupPC?23:03

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