[02:03] <arrrghhh> chriys, that's fine.  did you still have a question?
[02:29] <teward> i have an application that needs to run from /var/lib/ in its own folder and apache needs to be able to access it since it's a perl application
[02:29] <teward> how do i get that to work without a "Permission Denied" 403 error?
[02:35] <PryMar56> teward, somehow link it to /usr/lib/cgi-bin ?
[02:36] <PryMar56> teward apache has a pre-existing cgi config, take a look at it first
[02:36] <teward> PryMar56: i'm not an apache user, so meh
[02:36] <teward> this app requires it though :/
[02:36]  * teward pokes the configs
[02:38] <PryMar56>   grep -ir cgi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*
[02:42] <PryMar56> teward, I have enabled folders in /usr/share/* for cgi, but never /var/lib.. its no big deal
[02:43] <PryMar56> I don't see a reason why it won't work, except for some apparmour thing
[02:43] <teward> PryMar56: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7984963/ is the output.  (this is the foswiki program, it apparently is all perl... :/)
[02:43] <teward> s/program/wiki software/
[02:45] <PryMar56>  /var/lib/foswiki is already setup for cgi?
[02:45] <PryMar56> maybe all you need is: apache2ctl graceful
[02:45] <PryMar56> a restart
[02:49] <PryMar56> perms on the perl app -> 755
[03:04] <teward> bah i'll go look at this in the morning >.<
[04:09] <R0ckET> hi
[04:10] <R0ckET> I'm trying to run a command with cron as root, I get in the log but do not run anything, you have to configure something else?
[04:10] <R0ckET> $ sudo crontab -e
[05:43] <runfromnowhere> I'm having a really tough time with KVM guests on Ubuntu 14.04 - under load, processes in the guests aren't being scheduled for multiple seconds.  I even got a message saying an interrupt took 7s.  Has anyone else seen issues like this using Ubuntu 14.04 server as the base for a virtual environment?
[05:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[05:45] <runfromnowhere> Morning :)
[05:46] <lordievader> Hey runfromnowhere, how are you?
[05:47] <runfromnowhere> Not so well, unfortunately
[05:52] <grendal_prime> anyone any good with maas yet?
[05:52] <grendal_prime> i want to set it up and have the virtual machines running on the same server.  for now..i will add a second node later on.
[05:53] <grendal_prime> its just werid...ive tried several different howtos..but its...like im just not getting what is going on here
[05:54] <grendal_prime> maas is installed the web gui is working as it should i got the boot images to download.
[05:55] <grendal_prime> just seems like...something is missing..or..im just not understanding what the point of it is i guess
[06:27] <sarnold> grendal_prime: maas on its own is kinda neat but that's about as far as it goes. maas with juju is where things get interesting.
[06:28] <grendal_prime> ya...but so really what i want to set up ...is this..i host several vms for various people...for various reasons...
[06:29] <grendal_prime> but right now i just kvm virtmanager ...and basically i just set it up so that they can rdp (via a vpn ) into those machines
[06:30] <grendal_prime> its getting to be sort of an issue to manage them.  I would prefer to have them http-vnc into the machines but setting that up has been..well not fun.  I was hoping i could use  a mas server to set up user accounts that people  could log into...fire up their own vm and run it through a web-vnc interface.
[06:31] <sarnold> grendal_prime: hrmm, from what I know of maas, I don't think the admin console is intended to be used by different 'adminstrative' users; if you're all pals, maybe it'd work okay, but I sure wouldn't build a business on that specific feature...
[06:32] <sarnold> grendal_prime: you could probably provide your own cloud-init data source on the maas server and get some specific install steps done easily enough though -- installing packages, creating a standard user for them to start with, something like that
[06:33] <grendal_prime> I guess i just dont understand what i would use it for then....i was under the impression it was for setting up just that sort of thing
[06:36] <sarnold> grendal_prime: as I understand maas, it's really intended to be used in one "adminstrative domain" -- say, an IT group of a company -- and developers could use juju to deploy new services to the physical machines -- turn them on, install an OS, configure some local settings, install services, run the services -- and at some point grow services or shrink services or tear the whole thing back down again when the job is over
[06:36] <sarnold> grendal_prime: sort of like ec2, but without virtualization overhead -- and without the extensive ec2 access control mechanisms. heh.
[06:37] <grendal_prime> wow..i was way off base then.  I thought it was for manageing virtual infrastructure
[06:37] <sarnold> grendal_prime: you may be thinking of openstack?
[06:37] <grendal_prime> ya
[06:38] <sarnold> openstack aims at providing all the ec2-style infrastructure .. but with more interchangable pieces, depending upon local needs. I think.
[06:38] <grendal_prime> it was totally connected with openstack so i thought it was sort of the same thing
[06:38] <grendal_prime> hmm...i need to build an openstack server then i guess.
[06:38] <grendal_prime> and that looks a bit more complicated than i orginally wanted to go
[06:39] <sarnold> grendal_prime: well, they -can- be connected. say, you've got some storage nodes and image nodes up all the time, but your compute nodes come and go as you need them, and you could use maas to turn them on and off...
[06:39] <sarnold> grendal_prime: but that's getting pretty far out of my experience
[06:39] <sarnold> my favorite line ever is about setting up a high-availability OpenStack cluster needing 28 machines...
[06:39] <grendal_prime> ya this is starting to make a lot more sence now..basically maas is just that..it manages bring up resources and shutting them down.
[06:40] <grendal_prime> but not the actual client to the end machine connection part.
[06:40] <sarnold> it'd be nice to see some documentation of _small_ openstack clusters, too. I'm curious just how fe wmachines you could use an dstill get something useful out of it.
[06:40] <sarnold> grendal_prime: sounds right
[06:41] <grendal_prime> more like..."hey this guy needs a mysql database"  mass fires it up and makes it available.
[06:42] <sarnold> right; and depending upon the hardware available, it could be "this needs to be a huge machine with 16 cores and 144 gigabytes of memory" or "this is a small service, one core and 512 megs is fine"
[06:42] <grendal_prime> i have a nice little kvm setup here. I use to have 4 machines runing core duos in them 2 each. I had them all set up to do live migration it was sweet.
[06:42] <sarnold> niiice
[06:43] <sarnold> I've wanted to try live migration, but, uh, between the laptop and the pandaboard, it's just not going to happen. :)
[06:43] <grendal_prime> ya but man they ate up a tone of power.  i replaced them all with a poweredge that uses 1/5th the power.
[06:43] <grendal_prime> but..see i could have used maas for some stuff on that
[06:44] <sarnold> oooo
[06:47] <grendal_prime> hmm found a openstact virtual apliance for kvm
[06:47] <grendal_prime> maybe ill give that a shot
[06:48] <sarnold> grendal_prime: vmaas thing?
[06:48] <grendal_prime> no its just openstack
[06:48] <sarnold> ah okay
[06:48] <sarnold> what'd you find? :) I'm curious ..
[06:49] <grendal_prime> http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_obtaining_images.html
[06:49] <grendal_prime> i can just upload that to my kvm server and run it as a vm
[06:50] <sarnold> grendal_prime: ahhhh. I think those are just boring OS images. you've already got to have an openstack or ec2 or whatever already up and running to use those.
[06:51] <sarnold> smoser: ha! I hadn't seen that "The password is cubswin:)" before. awesome. :)
[06:52] <smoser> sarnold, next year is our year!
[06:52] <sarnold> smoser :D
[06:55] <sarnold> welcome back xnox :)
[06:58] <sarnold> grendal_prime: bedtime; have fun!
[06:58] <grendal_prime> you to
[06:58] <sarnold> thanks
[06:59] <xnox> sarnold: you'd think in 2014 xchat could synchronise settings across desktop and laptop =)
[09:34] <F1skr> How do I check wheter a service is based on upstart or sysV?
[09:36] <kklimonda> upstart services live in /etc/init/
[10:02] <glcheetham> Hi guys, I have a postfix server that can send but not receive, emails sent to it get returned to sender with "Recipient not found", can anyone help?
[11:21] <rbasak> jamespage: have you seen bug 1353923?
[11:21] <rbasak> (as I've seen Docker activity from you today...)
[11:26] <thys_> so the security has been breached on my commercial webserver found a bunch of scriptkiddy stuff in a old joomla site which had to liberal permission. He uploaded the stuff two days ago and seemed to aim for elevating privileges. They files are deleted and the permissions are set lower @644. What else should I look for?
[11:33] <jamespage> rbasak, I'd not seen that
[12:20] <zartoosh__> HI I am using ubuntu 14.04, boot into uefi mode. I am using eifbootmgr to change the boot order. The efibootmgr takes boot number as argument , i.e. Boot000x. I like to know could I use boot label ID, e.g "ubuntu" ? thx
[12:26] <coreycb> zul, jamespage : here's the bug for openstack icehouse 2014.1.2 -- bug 1354159
[12:26] <zul> coreycb:  awesome-o
[12:42] <SP33D> can some one tell me how to set server hostnames realy right? i think i do something wrong sometimes it works but i now whant to fix that! when a server runs for example on go.com and responds on that host whats its hostname its go? for example if i have 3 servers go.com s1.go.com s2.go.com s3.go.com
[12:52] <pmatulis> SP33D: the hostnames are go, s1, s2, and s3.  the fully qualified domain names (FQDN) are go.com, s1.go.com, s2.go.com, and s3.go.com .  does that help?
[14:00] <rbasak> zul, coreycb, matsubara, jamespage, gnuoy, gaughen, kickinz1, bei
[14:00] <rbasak> sner-afk, rharper, lutostag-away, smoser, hallyn: ready for another merge sprint
[14:00] <rbasak> ?
[14:00] <rbasak> beisner: ^^
[14:00] <matsubara> hi rbasak
[14:00] <rbasak> lutostag: ^^
[14:00] <rbasak> Copy and paste fail :-/
[14:00] <coreycb> jamespage, zul:  horizon is ready for review:  https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/horizon/2014.1.2/+merge/230113
[14:00] <rbasak> I think smoser, jamespage and gaughen will probably not be able to make it.
[14:00]  * patdk-wk merges the above
[14:01] <rbasak> Everyone else: my team are going to do some virtual sprinting for the next couple of hours to get a bunch of server packages merged and sponsored.
[14:01] <rbasak> Feel free to watch, or join in, etc. There are sponsors here to try and help and get packages and other server fixes landed.
[14:01] <rbasak> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html is a list of ~ubuntu-server subscribed packages that may need a merge
[14:01] <rbasak> https://merges.ubuntu.com/ has the full list
[14:01] <coreycb> rbasak, I'm working on icehouse so might skip today or pick one up to merge later - I did get exim4 done last week though
[14:01] <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging is a helpful guide
[14:01] <patdk-wk> ah, :)
[14:01] <patdk-wk> sounds like catching up to me :)
[14:02] <rbasak> We're tracking work in progress at http://pad.ubuntu.com/server-team-merges
[14:02] <rbasak> coreycb: no problem. Thank you for doing exim4!
[14:02] <zul> ill be around in about half hour
[14:03] <hallyn> yeah same here
[14:04] <coreycb> zul, can you review this?  https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/trove/fix-for-1347567/+merge/230110
[14:04] <rbasak> I'm fully available today. Normal service is restored :)
[14:04] <zul> coreycb: its on my todo list
[14:04] <coreycb> zul, thanks
[14:06] <beisner> o/  hi, had to bounce the box
[14:16] <darksider> hi all
[14:16] <darksider> I have a riddle for you guys: when I boot ubuntu server, screen goes blank (system still works). If I disable ACPI support in BIOS, everything works fine. But if I use ACPI=off kernel option, screen still goes blank
[14:20] <patdk-wk> !ebox
[14:21] <TJ-> darksider: broken BIOS, probably the DSDT
[14:22] <darksider> TJ-: can I do anything about it?
[14:24] <TJ-> darksider: There may be kernel ACPI module options that will affect it, but figuring out *which* might be complex. The best thing is to make a bug report on Launchpad and attach two "/var/log/dmesg", one from a good-screen boot (without ACPI) and one from a lost-screen boot (with ACPI)
[14:24] <TJ-> darksider: once you've done that, let us know the bug number and we can see if there's anything obvious that can be done
[14:26] <darksider> TJ-: I'll get right to it. One question tho, if I disable ACPI kernel functionality (ACPI=off), how can it be possible to still have this problem?
[14:27] <TJ-> darksider: It could be something the BIOS is (is not) doing when it enables ACPI that upsets things later... such as not fully programming the VGA device or PCI bus registers
[14:29] <TJ-> darksider: as always, check for BIOS updates too :)
[14:29] <coreycb> jamespage, zul: trove is ready for review - https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/trove/2014.1.2/+merge/230119
[14:29] <patdk-wk> tj, actually sounds like an old intel video chipset
[14:29] <patdk-wk> maybe add the no??? what was it called option?
[14:30] <darksider> TJ-: Tried that, the machine is an embedded PC (by Advantech) with an Atom CPU, Intel Graphics (right coreycb)
[14:30] <patdk-wk> nomodeset kernel option
[14:30] <darksider> there are no new updates for the bios, patdk-wk: tried nomodeset, same result
[14:30] <patdk-wk> ah
[14:31] <TJ-> darksider: It may be as simple as needing "acpi_backlight=vendor" on the kernel command line
[14:31] <TJ-> darksider: Depends on what kind of PC it is - integrated display or separate
[14:32] <darksider> TJ-: to be more specific, what i get is "no video input" on my screen
[14:32] <darksider> TJ-: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[14:33] <lutostag> rbasak: taking a look at vsftpd, looks like the Vcs-Git is wrong; should I try to track down the correct one, remove it, or leave it as is?
[14:35] <lutostag> ah looks like it was orphaned with the latest debian release of that pkg
[14:38] <darksider> TJ-: tried "acpi_backlight=vendor" option, same result
[14:40] <TJ-> darksider: It was a vague hope :) ... the log files will hopefully provide some clues
[14:51] <darksider> TJ-: excuse my ignorance (new at this), can I report the bug tru web?
[14:52] <cfhowlett> !bug | darksider
[14:56] <coreycb> jamespage, zul:  ceilometer is ready for review - https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/ceilometer/2014.1.2/+merge/230120
[14:56] <zul> coreycb: cool starting to look
[14:56] <coreycb> zul, thanks
[15:03] <darksider> cfhowlett: Thank, the bug-report app seems to have a GUI interface and I dont have X installed
[15:05] <runfromnowhere> Hey - I'm having some major KVM resource contention issues on Ubuntu Server 14.04, Is there anyone around with experience working with this who could give me some pointers?
[15:05] <patdk-wk> not really
[15:05] <patdk-wk> we don't even know your problem
[15:06] <patdk-wk> !ask
[15:08] <runfromnowhere> I'm having a really tough time with KVM guests on Ubuntu 14.04 - When either the host or the guests are under load, processes in the guests aren't being scheduled for multiple seconds.  I've even seen an interrupt take 7s.  The host is large (24 cores, 128GB RAM) and very undercommitted so I don't believe it's actually running out of resources.  Are there any tools or methods I could use to start to determine what is ...
[15:08] <runfromnowhere> ... causing this behavior?  Is this just "normal" for running KVM guests?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> I would look straight at your disks, likely first
[15:10] <patdk-wk> what is iostat showing?
[15:12] <runfromnowhere> Unfortunately it's not currently a time of duress for the server, but during those times iostat was showing pretty heavy disk usage.  However I'm not 100% sure if it's related for a few reasons - the disk activity was on 6 drives that are not the OS drives, the VMs in question are mounted via network-backed storage (Ceph RBD), and the processes on the VM in question aren't I/O based, should be mostly memory resident and ...
[15:12] <runfromnowhere> ... are complaining about not being scheduled as opposed to blocking on I/O.  I could be totally wrong, of course, but this is what's led me to think it might be something other than a disk issue :)
[15:29] <hallyn> gnuoy: the pad still shows you blocked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moin/+bug/1351331 , but it looks like it's now fix released
[15:29] <hallyn> barry has apparently sponsored it?
[15:32] <hallyn> (in other words, pls update the pad if you are in fact done :)
[15:35] <zul> hallyn:  i was going to package granite and python2-lxc if you dont have a problem with it
[15:37] <hallyn> zul: stgraber might object to python2-lxc being packaged, but it sounds good to me
[15:37] <zul> stgraber: ^^^
[15:37] <stgraber> I'm not opposed to it and was sort of expecting this to come up since it's the only way we can get the openstack support working for now
[15:38] <hallyn> cool
[15:38] <zul> stgraber:  cool
[16:05] <beisner> hi runfromnowhere - i've not seen such contention issues with kvm on trusty 14.04. it's difficult to advise with so many physical and logical variations possible.
[16:06] <beisner> runfromnowhere, as mentioned i'd start with disk io and network performance testing -- phys to phys, virt to phys, and virt to virt.  iostat, atop, htop, bonnie, stress & iperf are probably what I'd use to test and watch in real time.
[16:08] <runfromnowhere> beisner: Yeah part of what has me so agitated about this problem is how many variables there are - it's really tough to pin one down and test it!
[16:09] <runfromnowhere> I was mostly wondering if the answer was "Yep that's just broken right now" or "You fool - everyone knows you set X or do Y before running VMs!"...heh you never know what you don't know :).  But I'll see if I can get more detailed information with those performance testing tools!
[16:09] <patdk-wk> iostat -x, and likely 10 or 1 second intervals
[16:09] <patdk-wk> 10 is better for general
[16:10] <patdk-wk> but 1 second is needed sometimes to notice stalls like your describing
[16:10] <patdk-wk> but produces so much info it's alittle annoying :)
[16:11] <runfromnowhere> Hmm looks like a day of vigilance for me :)
[16:12] <runfromnowhere> I've come up with a few ideas for causes too, so I guess it's time to experiment and monitor!
[16:12] <runfromnowhere> Thanks for the advice :)
[16:52] <arrrghhh> Nivex, seems we're getting some answers in -devel
[17:42] <Nivex> arrrghhh: cool! What's the Reader's Digest version?
[17:43] <arrrghhh> Nivex, I never saw a link to the offending bugs, but there was a few blockers
 rbasak: There were a few update-manager bugs that made the upgrade explode.  Those should be fixed.
[17:44] <arrrghhh> sounds like Monday they'll flip it on, assuming nothing else is discovered between now & then :)
[17:44] <Nivex> Probably the ones I found on that wiki page.
[17:44] <arrrghhh> sounds likely
[17:45] <arrrghhh> I'm already on 14.04... managed to muck up my old 12.04 installation with some bind mount madness.
[17:45] <arrrghhh> I haven't broken a system that bad in years :/
[18:18] <smoser> hallyn, around ?
[18:25] <hallyn> smoser: yeah, though i'm about to go for a walk after i push some patches.  what's up
[18:25] <smoser> i was thinking about a container without a network namespace
[18:25] <smoser> but doc says that that causes issues if host+guest==upstart
[18:26] <hallyn> yes
[18:26] <smoser> so that pretty much makes that a non-possibility
[18:26] <smoser> is that right?
[18:26] <hallyn> yup
[18:26] <coreycb> zul, jamespage: nova is ready for review -  https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/nova/2014.1.2/+merge/230128
[18:26] <smoser> bah.
[18:26] <smoser> that stinks.
[18:26] <hallyn> smoser: there's no way to segregate the abstract unix domain sockets unfortunately
[18:26] <hallyn> now with unprivileged you shoudl be fine
[18:27] <smoser> well, yeah, but i'm guessing with unpriviled you can't access the network devices
[18:27] <smoser> which kind of defeats me
[18:27] <smoser> as thats why i wanted the no-network-namespacd
[18:27] <hallyn> you might be able to use apparmor these days
[18:27] <hallyn> sarnold: ^ can apparmor now filter out access to abstract unix domain paths?
[18:28] <hallyn> oh, well,
[18:28] <tyhicks> hallyn: very soon
[18:28] <hallyn> haha, that won't work, your container wont 'start
[18:28] <hallyn> nm
[18:28] <tyhicks> hallyn: hopefully it'll be in the utopic kernel by the end of next week
[18:29] <hallyn> tyhicks: that's nice
[18:29] <hallyn> not useful for smoser, but a good thing
[18:29] <sarnold> hallyn: soon...
[18:29]  * tyhicks nods
[18:29] <smoser> hallyn, so any other tricks?
[18:30] <smoser> the basic thing pushing me here was wanting to put maas in a container, but not have to deal with bridging the real nic
[18:35] <hallyn> smoser: what has to be in the container?  Can you simply use it as an application container, without upstart?
[18:35] <hallyn> i.e. lxc-execute -n $container maas-server
[18:35] <hallyn> then it should be fine without its own netns
[18:36] <sarnold> heh, maas has webserver bits and pxeboot bits and dhcp bits and .. it's not just one simple daemon
[18:36] <smoser> right.
[18:37] <smoser> we might be able to get something up that way. but definitely would be work.
[18:37] <sarnold> you might be able to get away without an init, but it might take a ton of work..
[18:37] <smoser> probably more work then just using the bridge
[18:37] <hallyn> sarnold: well it does *have* an init :)  just not upstart
[18:37] <sarnold> :)
[18:37] <hallyn> can upstart be started with a custom socket path?
[19:16] <coreycb> zul, jamespage :  neutron is ready for review -- https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/neutron/2014.1.2/+merge/230116
[19:43] <Nivex> arrrghhh: I think I'll pull the trigger on my main home server before then now that I know what's up and wait to upgrade my friend's machine until later.
[19:43] <arrrghhh> Nivex, should be Monday, if you want to wait till then on your home rig.
[19:43] <Nivex> I've been antsy for two weeks now.
[19:43] <arrrghhh> lol
[19:44] <arrrghhh> I'm still not sure how I blew up mine.  A bit baffled to be honest, but reinstall was the easiest workaround
[19:53] <coreycb> zul, jamespage :  cinder is ready for review -- https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/cinder/2014.1.2/+merge/230123
[19:55] <SCHAAP137> anyone have an idea when openssl-1.0.1i will be in the apt-get repositories for 14.04 ?
[19:57] <ahmadgbg> hi, im having a very weird problem. Im currently installing Ubuntu Server 14.04. While partitioning and choosing "physical volume for RAID" im not able to change the bootflag to "on". i cant even choose "primary" or "logical" partition. help?
[20:03] <pmatulis> SCHAAP137: does it corrent something noteworthy?
[20:03] <pmatulis> *correct
[20:07] <Takyoji> Curious question: what would be the "ideal" networked setup for a small private school? LDAP/NFSv4 (as it is now), or Kerberos/SAMBA?
[20:08] <Takyoji> It's currently just Ubuntu desktops and server that are part of the network. And also some Macs now, which aren't part of the networked setup
[20:12] <Takyoji> if there's any value to using Kerberos and/or SAMBA instead of LDAP directly and NFS, or if it's just more stress
[20:50] <KLVTZ> A question of best practice: I currently have a web applications projects with multiple sub-domains --about three. Earlier in this project, an unnamed bastard decided to keep our sub domain apps in seperate locations in our linux environment. Now after planning on unifying the application into one master folder, it left me with a bit of wonder..
[20:51] <KLVTZ> is the most coherent way in organizing a web application with multiple sub-domains lie only within folder organization
[20:52] <KLVTZ> or is there another method of handling sub-domains. Perhaps using application files that are the same among domains but only differ in some logic
[20:53] <KLVTZ> I should be clear that I want to know if there is a means of using files within an application that share commonality but only differ within their specific settings
[20:53] <KLVTZ> there's so much repetition in copying multiple sub-domains in folders that essentially share about 80% the same files
[21:13] <coreycb> jamespage, zul:  glance is ready for review -- https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/glance/2014.1.2/+merge/230184
[21:46] <arrrghhh> How do I adjust a script to run later in the machine's startup?  I used update-rc.d defaults to add it to the startup... it added these K20blah S20blah scripts - do I just change that number to 99?
[21:49] <sarnold> yes
[21:51] <arrrghhh> sarnold, is one the startup and one the shutdown script?
[21:51] <sarnold> arrrghhh: yes, S for starting, K for killing
[21:51] <arrrghhh> cool thx
[22:47] <ahmadgbg> Hi, im trying to connect two ubuntu pc crossover. They cant ping eachother
[22:50] <Patrickdk> ahmadgbg, why would you do that?
[22:50] <Patrickdk> just use a normal network cable, and gigabit
[22:51] <ahmadgbg> Patrickdk, got it to work now :D did what you said
[22:51] <Patrickdk> crossover is only needed for 100mbit or slower
[22:56] <urda> Question: Why does `do-release-upgrade` still show "no new release found" on 12.04.5 servers? Shouldn't the point release be available for upgrade at this time?
[22:57] <sarnold> urda: I believe it'll be repointed on monday
[22:57] <urda> sarnold: Is there a feed or list I could be watching so I can learn to determine this myself without bugging you lovely folks :p
[22:57] <sarnold> urda: I saw the discussion on #ubuntu-devel a few hours ago, hehe
[22:58] <urda> sarnold: oh my lol
[22:58] <sarnold> yeah :) hehe
[22:59] <urda> sarnold: so go poke them :p ?
[22:59] <urda> sarnold: lol
[23:00] <sarnold> urda: well, no one wants to make a change that large on a friday
[23:00] <urda> sarnold: oh god no! I'm just trying to make sure I'm not missing something... as I couldn't find any news / documentation on it :\
[23:01] <sarnold> urda: there were some annoying-enough bugs in the precise versions of the tools that needed to be addressed first, but it should be good to go for wider upgrades next week :)
[23:02] <urda> sarnold: I think a really nasty GRUB bug was one of them
[23:02] <sarnold> urda: eww.
[23:02] <urda> sarnold: but don't quote me on it :x
[23:03] <ahmadgbg> I have a backup server with ubuntu. I dont want to run it throught the router but directly to the server. What is the best way to backup the server? BackupPC?