/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/08/#xubuntu.txt

suncokret	thank you for help	00:01
ObrienDave	my pleasure and good luck	00:02
suncokret	you too	00:02
suncokret	bye	00:02
quantibility	hey does anyone know of app that i can use to automatically file my downloads in their appropriate folders?	01:37
holstein	quantibility: i use the file manager.. thunar	01:45
holstein	the issue is, what is appropriate? and how do you parse that.. you can script something that would do whatever you like	01:45
quantibility	can it it do it auto matically?	01:46
holstein	quantibility: do what?	01:46
holstein	quantibility: i mean, if you have just arbitrary directories, no	01:46
quantibility	so	01:47
holstein	quantibility: if you wanted to script something that moves based on some criteria, you can	01:47
ali1234	i've been looking for an app like that for years	01:47
quantibility	it needs to be made	01:47
ObrienDave	then make one	01:47
holstein	quantibility: it is made. you script what you like	01:47
quantibility	i thought about it	01:47
quantibility	hmmm	01:47
quantibility	were is script documentation?	01:47
ali1234	just figuring out how to organize the files is probably impossible anyway	01:47
quantibility	no	01:47
holstein	quantibility: "appropriate" is the issue. you have to determine what you want, and make it happen	01:47
ali1234	see "everything is miscellaneous"	01:47
quantibility	ali1234	01:48
ali1234	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeta_YZ0oE	01:48
quantibility	i thought of organizing by file extention and makeing an appropriate folder for the like	01:48
ali1234	yeah that's a reeally terrible way to organize files	01:48
ali1234	what if you have a folder with mp3s and separate album art?	01:49
quantibility	jpg's and such photo, mp4's and such video,	01:49
quantibility	yeah but im doing about downloading on the fly	01:49
quantibility	im talking about	01:49
ObrienDave	what, 1000's of files a day? rofl	01:49
quantibility	i've thought over other ideas as well,	01:49
quantibility	no	01:49
ali1234	yeah see the thing is i have like 10 years of unorganized downloads already	01:49
ObrienDave	try 30 years here LOL	01:50
quantibility	all the photos videos and such from my smartphone	01:50
quantibility	yeah	01:50
quantibility	auto find and file would be a neat feature	01:50
quantibility	wounderful	01:50
quantibility	i found a project that is nothing for a phone	01:50
holstein	i use dropbox.. though there are many options.. bitorrent sync or whatever	01:51
quantibility	any java coders around that can crash course me in... Drop box for linux?	01:51
holstein	quantibility: there is a java channel	01:52
quantibility	do i have to build it?	01:52
holstein	quantibility: dropbox releases a linux verion	01:52
quantibility	hmm	01:52
knome	quantibility, you could just use the awesome file searching application catfish.	01:52
quantibility	right but im looking for automation	01:53
holstein	yeah, i just type what i want, and dont worry about directory structure so much any more	01:53
knome	quantibility, automation to put files into organized directories where you look for them manually anyway?	01:53
holstein	quantibility: you can script what you like.. "move all files *.mp3 to ~/music/mp3" or whatever you like	01:54
quantibility	yeah i have messed with mirc scripting before back in the day	01:54
quantibility	im sure its simalar	01:54
quantibility	no no no no i don't want web intergrated stroage	01:55
quantibility	catfish you say?	01:55
quantibility	no what i want is when i click on any file to download i want it to auto store the files retrived their apropriate folders	01:56
knome	quantibility, what do you do with the files after that?	01:57
holstein	quantibility: just say what you want, friend.. i use dropbox to get my pictures or whatever i want from my phone to my computer. there are many ways to do that..	01:57
quantibility	nothing, just that they are organized when i want to look for em,,,	01:57
holstein	quantibility: bitorrent sync, for example. not "web integrated" at all	01:57
holstein	quantibility: there is nothing magic you can download that'll just happen to put your files exactly where you prefer them to be.. you'll have to decide how you prefer them, and script something.. or just manually put them there.. or search	01:58
quantibility	lets say i download a pic, it goes into a pic folder... now for more elaborate organization im sure i would have to program (script or other wise)	01:58
quantibility	see that the point it doesn't exists and i think i can develop it beautifully	01:59
knome	quantibility, do you understand i'm proposing an alternative way of thinking... why keep them organized when you can just look for them with catfish when you want?	01:59
holstein	quantibility: what i would do is, download the pic.. then, the script i would write would run whenever i schedule it, and move the pic where i want	01:59
ali1234	because having the computer search every file on the disk is really slow	01:59
quantibility	yes	01:59
quantibility	agreed	01:59
quantibility	but there are ways to speed up the process like just scanning the image then referencing the file	02:00
holstein	quantibility: there is not overall "appropriate" place for pics.. there is where you download them to, and where you want them.. where you want them can be differtent than where i want then, thus, no "autosort" thing..	02:00
quantibility	same crap can be scripted right in mirc and Xchat i assume	02:00
ali1234	sorting into directories based on filetype is really easy	02:00
ali1234	the problem is it's not very useful	02:00
holstein	quantibility: xchat is not something i would move files around on my computer with. i would use bash	02:00
ali1234	for the reasons i have given...	02:00
quantibility	on the contrary its very useful, the idea behind it is TO sort not freaking browse	02:01
holstein	quantibility: do what you like.. you dont need to argue its usefulness.	02:02
* ObrienDave wonders how this convo is xubuntu support related		02:02
holstein	quantibility: i dont want it. and what you want can be differnt from what others want. but its easy to do what you want, many ways	02:02
quantibility	yeah agreed	02:02
quantibility	so where is ubuntu documentation for scripting so i can get started here	02:02
holstein	!bash	02:03
ubottu	The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal	02:03
holstein	quantibility: there is not really "heres the handbook on how to script every little piece of ubuntu"..	02:03
holstein	quantibility: you can use many ways to script such a thing.. but, the distros basically have a set work flow, and if you want to customize on your own, you are welcome to	02:07
gg	http://imgur.com/dp3AvWc this stick should boot now? btw im using xubuntu 12.04	03:13
ObrienDave	that pic is of the ISO, not the USB	03:14
gg	it is the iso in the 8.2 filesystem (usb)	03:15
ObrienDave	well, if that's the case, i looks correct. no guarantees	03:16
ObrienDave	*it	03:16
gg	okay i will try and come back	03:16
new	hello, I am trying out xubuntu for the first time. when i try watching video online i am not able to go to full screen. is it possible to fix this?	03:27
ObrienDave	new, which player? website? DVD? mp4? details please	03:28
xangua	if by video you mean a flash video, flash sucks in linux new	03:28
new	mp4	03:29
ObrienDave	okaaaaay, so HOW are you viewing it?	03:30
new	online via mirror	03:30
xangua	cab you be a little more helpful new ¿	03:31
xangua	can*	03:31
new	i can watch the video without any problems, it simply wont let me use full screen.	03:31
new	sorry, Im not sure what information is helpful.	03:31
xangua	by HOW, ObrienDave means what site, what player, whatever details you can give to help you new	03:32
ObrienDave	HOW ARE YOU WATCHING IT? chrome? firefox? stand-alone player?	03:32
new	ah, ok. Chrome	03:32
xangua	......	03:33
ObrienDave	try using firefox, see if it works. then i'll tell you why	03:34
new	I just did, Same result	03:34
ObrienDave	well, that blows that theory LOL	03:35
new	lol sorry	03:35
ObrienDave	which website?	03:35
new	nwanime.com	03:36
new	ive tried multiple videos to make sure it wasnt different between them	03:36
xangua	just view the first video, it's a flahs video, and it has a fullscreen button	03:38
ObrienDave	i just went there, i have no problems with full screen	03:39
ObrienDave	in chrome	03:39
xangua	and firefox	03:39
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ObrienDave	http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/legend-of-korra-209-full-episode.html	03:40
ObrienDave	what happens when you press full screen button?	03:40
ObrienDave	whistles and waits;P	03:43
ObrienDave	drums fingers	03:46
ObrienDave	sighs and drifts on back to main	03:49
xangua	maybe he already saw the fullscreen button :)	03:50
ObrienDave	oh no, there is a full screen button? i was scaling the resolution ;P rofl	03:51
zacwalls	so the last time i tried to boot a bootable usb, i got a error saying "this is not a bootable disk insert a bootable floppy and press any button to trty again".	04:09
ObrienDave	that means you got a bad transfer	04:10
ObrienDave	try again	04:10
zacwalls	so wipe the usb and make a startup disk again with the same iso?	04:11
ObrienDave	yes, iirc your md5sum is correct for the ISO	04:12
zacwalls	okay	04:12
ObrienDave	14.04.1 64bit, yes?	04:13
zacwalls	yes	04:13
ObrienDave	ok, remake the USB	04:13
ObrienDave	do you have a DVD burner?	04:14
zacwalls	yes no dvd-r though	04:14
ObrienDave	dvd-rw?	04:14
zacwalls	nada	04:14
ObrienDave	ok, usb it is. i've had much better luck with DVD	04:15
zacwalls	what is command for md5sum?	04:15
zacwalls	dose it need sudo?	04:15
ObrienDave	it shouldnt need sudo	04:16
zacwalls	okay i accedently typed md5sun so... im in the dark	04:16
ObrienDave	ctrl-c to quit	04:18
zacwalls	119cb63b48c9a18f31f417f09655efbd does it match the other hash?	04:18
ObrienDave	that looks right	04:18
zacwalls	okay	04:18
zacwalls	ima make startup disk again and be back in a second	04:19
zacwalls	how much space should i reserve?	04:19
zacwalls	2gb?	04:19
ObrienDave	http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/MD5SUMS	04:21
zacwalls	okay	04:22
ObrienDave	oh, depends on how large your stick is. you need 4GB or so for the install.	04:22
zacwalls	it is 8gb	04:22
zacwalls	so im all good	04:22
ObrienDave	if you max out persistance, it will only use what is left after install	04:23
zacwalls	i only made 2gb reserve	04:24
ObrienDave	thats fine	04:24
zacwalls	eta 8 min	04:24
ObrienDave	no rush	04:25
zacwalls	i know,. i just sick of sitting on the flour :)	04:25
ObrienDave	i can understand but somethings you can't rush. causes way more problems in the long run	04:26
ObrienDave	it seems 2 nights ago you were worried about 90 minutes. LOL this has taken way more time than that ;P	04:27
zacwalls	yeah tell me about it. i want more experience. and i will do anything for that	04:28
ObrienDave	experience takes time and making mistakes. you'll get there :)	04:29
zacwalls	how can i run anti virus ware via term?	04:29
ObrienDave	clamav is the only one i know of. i'm sure there are others	04:30
zacwalls	okay	04:30
zacwalls	my pc unplugged	04:42
zacwalls	it is operational once more	04:42
zacwalls	ObrienDave, thanks for helping	04:45
ObrienDave	no prob zacwalls	04:45
zacwalls	so how did you get involved with pc's?	04:45
ObrienDave	i had my first programming class in 1971. been tinkering with computers ever since ;P	04:46
zacwalls	wow	04:47
zacwalls	i never had or probaly have a class. everything (almost) i taught myself	04:48
ObrienDave	well, you're young and ambitious. you will learn patience as you get older :)	04:49
zacwalls	i have the ability to be patience but, i don’t use it often unless i must.	04:51
ObrienDave	lol yes, i know :)	04:51
zacwalls	well i may have an infamous notoriety on irc but...i got nothing. :)	04:52
zacwalls	eta: 4	04:53
zacwalls	so what os u use?	04:54
ObrienDave	Xubuntu and Windows when i have to	04:55
zacwalls	dual-boot?	04:55
ObrienDave	sure	04:55
zacwalls	aha	04:56
ObrienDave	i just put a 1.5TB drive in my laptop. plenty of room nw LOL	04:56
zacwalls	ha	04:56
ObrienDave	*now	04:56
zacwalls	99%	04:56
xubuntu815	Can anybody tell me how to install an older linux kernel on a fresh install of xubuntu 14.04?	04:57
ObrienDave	why would you want to do that?	04:57
ObrienDave	and how old?	04:57
zacwalls	Installation is complete. You may now run Ubuntu on other computers by booting them with this drive inserted.	04:57
xubuntu815	Because I think the current kernel has some compatibility issues. And I'm on 2007 hardware	04:58
zacwalls	0-0	04:58
xubuntu815	I installed kernel 3.2.61 on LMDE and it worked	04:58
xubuntu815	but on xubuntu it won't boot	04:58
ObrienDave	zacwalls, cool, shut down, remove stick, fire it up ;P	04:58
xubuntu815	into that kernel	04:58
zacwalls	ObrienDave, how? why remove disk?	04:59
ObrienDave	zacwalls, oh, sorry i thought you were installing to HD	04:59
zacwalls	nono	05:00
zacwalls	maby it will work this time! bye	05:00
ObrienDave	k	05:00
ObrienDave	gl	05:00
zacwalls	wait!	05:00
ObrienDave	ok	05:00
zacwalls	wat command for shutdown?	05:01
zacwalls	do i need root?	05:01
zacwalls	nvm	05:01
zacwalls	bye	05:01
ObrienDave	k	05:02
vrkalak	xubuntu815, LMDE and xubuntu do not have same kernel	05:02
xubuntu815	Okay, that makes sense. So now I'm just trying to figure out a more stable kernel I can install on my system. I installed 3.9 from a guide I found dated 2012 and I booted into it but it had the same problem as kernel 3.13 and crashed.	05:04
zsw_	well the error message this time was "boot error".	05:04
ObrienDave	zsw_, i'm out of ideas. try a different USB stick	05:05
zsw_	i dont have one	05:05
ObrienDave	zsw_, i have to assume your BIOS is set up to boot the stick	05:06
zsw_	idk	05:06
zsw_	i never go in there often	05:06
zsw_	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949602	05:07
zsw_	look what i found	05:07
ObrienDave	that would be good to know. it needs to be set up that way	05:07
vrkalak	xubuntu815, the LMDE is on kernel 3.15.7-1 already	05:08
zsw_	how do i figure out?	05:08
vrkalak	3.15 kernel is extremely stable	05:08
* vrkalak is Admin for LinuxMint (LMDE) and Debian-Maintainer		05:09
zsw_	Check CMOS (BIOS) settings for USB. I think you may need Auto or Legacy for USB. Anyway try a different setting and see if that works. Some will say in BIOS help that you need a specific USB setting to boot from USB.	05:11
zsw_	I have generally found that on Dell computers you still have to press F12 during BIOS splash to select USB even if you earlier set USB before hard drive in boot order. On those computers the only time it "might" work without pressing F12 is if that USB device has always been connected and booted from since you set BIOS boot order.	05:11
ObrienDave	zsw_, looks like you need to format the stick to EXT4 first	05:11
zsw_	how?	05:11
ObrienDave	what system is on your computer now?	05:12
zsw_	xubuntu 12.04	05:12
ObrienDave	ok, delete the USB with gparted, refomat to EXT4 and reburn the stick	05:13
ObrienDave	*reformat	05:13
zsw_	obrienDave, how. im a noob remember :)	05:14
ObrienDave	run gparted	05:14
zsw_	downloading	05:15
ObrienDave	k	05:16
zsw_	i need to config root real quick	05:17
ObrienDave	why?	05:18
zsw_	cuz i beed root privileges to run sudo passwd root	05:18
zsw_	i mean gparted	05:19
ObrienDave	no, you just enter your password. gparted will run	05:20
ObrienDave	are you doing this from terminal? no gui?	05:20
zsw_	term	05:21
ObrienDave	do you have a DE?	05:21
zsw_	i bypassed it	05:21
ObrienDave	huh? why?	05:22
zsw_	no i bypass root	05:22
zsw_	im at gparted	05:22
ObrienDave	you can see the gparted gui? yes?	05:22
zsw_	yes http://imgur.com/hS8oVNL what do i do?	05:24
ObrienDave	ok, top right corner, make SURE you select your USB from the drop down	05:25
zsw_	i dont know witch usb is the one	05:25
ObrienDave	you should only have 1 8GB device in the list ;P	05:25
zsw_	i got it	05:26
ObrienDave	mine says 7.45GB	05:26
zsw_	it is fat32	05:26
zsw_	its okay	05:27
ObrienDave	ok, partition, format to, EXT4	05:27
zsw_	okay	05:28
ObrienDave	green check mark to apply operation, accept the change	05:28
zsw_	the format option is not highlighted	05:29
ObrienDave	oh LOL you have to unmount it	05:30
zsw_	okay	05:30
ObrienDave	then you can format it to ext4	05:30
zsw_	its pending	05:30
ObrienDave	green check mark to apply operation, accept the change	05:30
ObrienDave	will take 30 seconds or so	05:31
zsw_	okay done	05:31
ObrienDave	http://i.imgur.com/RfZhxX1.png	05:32
zsw_	can o boot now?	05:32
ObrienDave	should look something like that	05:32
zsw_	it did ima boot bow	05:32
zsw_	now	05:32
ObrienDave	hang on	05:33
zsw_	okay	05:33
ObrienDave	partition, manage flags, select boot	05:33
ObrienDave	last column should change from msftdata to boot	05:34
zsw_	the manage flags is not highlighted	05:35
ObrienDave	it's ok, go ahead and reburn the USB again	05:36
zsw_	okay	05:36
ObrienDave	if that does not work, we'll try GPT partition table	05:36
zsw_	okay	05:37
ObrienDave	if that does not work i suggest a very big hammer for your stick LOL	05:37
zsw_	yes but now make startup disk is not highlighted	05:38
ObrienDave	did you eject the stick and reinsert?	05:38
zsw_	2 times	05:39
zsw_	i couldent manage flags	05:39
ObrienDave	imgur a pic for me please	05:39
zsw_	couldn’t	05:39
zsw_	http://imgur.com/hhPBzuZ	05:40
ObrienDave	hint: the ISO will overwrite the flags anyway	05:40
zsw_	aha	05:40
ObrienDave	ok, click erase disk	05:41
zsw_	okay	05:41
zsw_	org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.Inhibited: Daemon is inhibited	05:41
zsw_	what does that mean?	05:42
ObrienDave	dunno, did you close gparted?	05:42
zsw_	no ugh	05:42
ObrienDave	LOL	05:42
ObrienDave	that will do it	05:42
ObrienDave	close everything but IRC chat and disk creator	05:43
zsw_	okay	05:43
ObrienDave	well you might need chrome for imgur	05:43
ObrienDave	or ff	05:44
zsw_	firefox	05:44
zsw_	YEAH	05:44
ObrienDave	that's fine	05:44
ObrienDave	got it?	05:44
zsw_	yeah	05:44
ObrienDave	cool, kick back, enjoy the show for a few, i'll be back in 10	05:44
zsw_	okay	05:44
ObrienDave	i assume it's going good	05:54
mizrradev	:)	05:56
zsw_	okay its done	05:56
mizrradev	Hello!!??	05:56
zsw_	hi	05:56
ObrienDave	ok, see if it works	05:56
zsw_	okay brb	05:56
mizrradev	help me!!!	05:56
ObrienDave	wow	05:58
zacwalls	wow boot error	06:01
ObrienDave	ok, dang	06:02
zacwalls	did u read the query?	06:02
ObrienDave	yea	06:02
zacwalls	ext2	06:02
zacwalls	let me check	06:02
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ObrienDave	well, lets try gparted. this time make new partition table GPT and format to fat32	06:03
zacwalls	it is fat32 again	06:03
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zacwalls	1 partition is currently active on device /dev/sdb.	06:04
zacwalls	A new partition table cannot be created when there are active partitions. Active partitions are those that are in use, such as a mounted file system, or enabled swap space.	06:05
zacwalls	Use Partition menu options, such as unmount or swapoff, to deactivate all partitions on this device before creating a new partition table.	06:05
Marvin_1	Trying to install 14.04 using the minimal iso, but my monitors die out at a 'random' point during the install	06:05
Marvin_1	not sure what to do T_T	06:05
ObrienDave	zacwalls, you can't do a thing with the stick munted. always unmount in gparted	06:06
zacwalls	okay didnt know	06:06
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, that's normal. shake mouse, press shift key, something to wake up the monitor	06:07
ObrienDave	zacwalls, no biggie	06:07
Marvin_1	ObrienDave, nothing wakes it up. I had the same problem installing debian and the only solution was to get ssh up before I lost sight	06:07
Marvin_1	I was using the mini iso since the normal one doesn't have ssh support (AFAIK), but I can't get it set up fast enough	06:08
zacwalls	http://imgur.com/iSh4SRA	06:09
ObrienDave	hmm, at the beginning, F6 i believe, there might be an option for "nomodeset"	06:09
zacwalls	WHAT HAPPENED?????	06:09
zacwalls	i clicked on create partition table	06:10
ObrienDave	when you changed partition table to GPT that is normal	06:10
ObrienDave	now, new, fat32	06:10
Marvin_1	ObrienDave, quick google search shows that the command makes it rely on the bios video. If that's true, then the problem will still exist once I get it installed and switch to the video card?	06:11
zacwalls	it says i deleted all data	06:11
ObrienDave	yes, partition, new, fat32	06:12
zacwalls	it is highlighted	06:13
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, not sure but that is the fix for black or blank screens	06:13
zacwalls	i mean it is not	06:13
ObrienDave	zacwalls, click the unallocated area, right click for menu	06:14
Marvin_1	I can use the screens on startup, but at what seems to be a time-dependent event, the computer acts as if it's going into sleep or something	06:14
Marvin_1	without the ability to wake it up	06:15
zacwalls	?	06:15
zacwalls	how do i label	06:15
ObrienDave	zacwalls, you don;t need a lable right now	06:16
ObrienDave	label*	06:16
zacwalls	okay fat32 done	06:16
ObrienDave	ok, try the burn again	06:16
zacwalls	okay	06:16
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, sorry, i avoid the mini ISO. i only know that nomodeset option might help	06:17
ObrienDave	!nomodeset	06:17
ubottu	A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter	06:17
Marvin_1	Doesn't seem to be a valid solution since the screens work. A second problem I'm having if you're willing to help is during install with the actual iso	06:18
zacwalls	okay starting	06:18
Marvin_1	Using gparted, I can see my main hard-drive, but using the install GUI, I can't	06:19
ObrienDave	the mini ISO is text based. there is no GUI afaik	06:19
Marvin_1	Using the main iso	06:20
ObrienDave	i don't know about that issue. i've never had that come up during install and i redid mine 24 hours ago	06:21
ObrienDave	did it show any drives at all?	06:23
Marvin_1	Just the flash drive in the installer	06:23
Marvin_1	I have my HDD partitioned in ext4 already using the gparted that comes with the live boot and the installer won't see them	06:24
ObrienDave	are you overwriting everything or going for a dual boot?	06:24
Marvin_1	overwrite	06:25
ObrienDave	did you select that option or "something else"	06:25
Marvin_1	I don't get that option	06:25
Marvin_1	It goes straight from "preparing to install" with the check for space and connection, to the list of drives with the flash drive being the only one up there	06:26
Marvin_1	I have ubuntu on my desktop, and I recall it asking if I wanted to do it alongside and all that other crap	06:26
Marvin_1	but my hdd on the desktop is completely empty, so I assume it knows it wants to overwrite anything there	06:27
ObrienDave	yes, that is surprising. how larg of a drive?	06:27
ObrienDave	*large	06:27
Marvin_1	2tb	06:27
ObrienDave	ok, then you don't need GPT	06:28
ObrienDave	i suggest formating the drive to FAT32 or NTFS and try the install with the full live ISO	06:29
Marvin_1	Will do	06:30
zacwalls	done brb	06:33
ObrienDave	k	06:33
Marvin_1	ObrienDace, no dice :(	06:34
ObrienDave	that is strange, no main drive at all?	06:35
Marvin_1	Correct	06:35
ObrienDave	is it a UEFI machine?	06:36
zacwalls	im going on a homicidal rampage.	06:36
ObrienDave	zacwalls, i think your stick just will not work. it happens. you'll have to try a different stick	06:37
zacwalls	i dont have one	06:37
ObrienDave	is your machine a UEFI?	06:37
Marvin_1	Fairly certain it's BIOS	06:37
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, if not, the secure boot will prevent you from seeing the drive. (thanks M$)	06:38
ObrienDave	but i don't understand why gparted will see it but not the installer. only thing that makes sense to me	06:39
garandil	it can see the drive, just not interact with it	06:40
Marvin_1	Debian was fine to install (using ssh but w/e)	06:40
ObrienDave	garandil, only during install	06:40
Marvin_1	It can interact with it, I believe, since I can format and resize	06:40
garandil	hmm.. Marvin_1 are you able to boot the live env. and use (c)fdisk on it?	06:41
Marvin_1	What's with the (c)?	06:42
garandil	cfdisk	06:42
garandil	To me it sounds like the partition table might be borked	06:44
ObrienDave	you can make a net partition table in gparted	06:45
ObrienDave	*new	06:45
Marvin_1	I've heard of the command but haven't used it. I can do "fdisk /dev/sda" and it brings me to a prompt to enter a command	06:45
garandil	Marvin_1, do p	06:45
garandil	or use cfdisk /dev/sda instead	06:45
Marvin_1	So there's the main sda1 partition	06:46
Marvin_1	but before it is about a meg free with log type	06:47
Marvin_1	and following it is a tenth of a meg with same details	06:47
Marvin_1	following the main partition	06:47
garandil	so you only have one big partition?	06:47
Marvin_1	correct	06:48
garandil	ok, that's not right	06:48
Marvin_1	fat32 formatted, as ObrienDave told me before	06:48
garandil	ah	06:48
garandil	Then it makes sense	06:48
garandil	ObrienDave, sorry	06:49
garandil	You should be able to proceed	06:50
ObrienDave	garandil, not a problem :)	06:50
Marvin_1	http://i.imgur.com/bVdRO0X.png	06:51
* ObrienDave needs his last cup of coffee		06:51
garandil	But remember to make it "Erase all and install Xubuntu"	06:51
Marvin_1	I don't have that option since there's nothing on the drive	06:51
Marvin_1	It skips to the image I linked	06:52
ObrienDave	i think your ok because it shows sda for bootloader location	06:52
garandil	Yeah, the image suggests that you should be ok	06:52
ObrienDave	*you're	06:52
Marvin_1	Then I hit install now and "no root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu"	06:53
Marvin_1	but I don't believe I can do that unless sda is available on the table	06:53
garandil	back and use guided partitioning	06:53
Marvin_1	I don't have that option T_T	06:54
ObrienDave	what is on sdb?	06:54
Marvin_1	Flash drive containing the live files	06:54
zacwalls	how is 4 gigs?	06:55
ObrienDave	try new partition table	06:55
ObrienDave	zacwalls, should work	06:55
zacwalls	okay	06:55
ObrienDave	no more than 1G for persistance	06:55
Marvin_1	That just wants to overwrite the usb and while it's not a big problem since I can rewrite to it, it's not the HDD	06:56
Marvin_1	garandil, the GUI goes from step 1 -> step 3	06:56
Marvin_1	I assume step 2 is the one to choose the setup option	06:56
Marvin_1	but it literally jumps the step	06:56
ObrienDave	yea	06:56
garandil	Aye...	06:56
Marvin_1	on the upside, the monitors have been fine since	06:57
garandil	hmm.. on /dev/sda try to make 512MB partition in the beginning and use mountpoint /boot	06:57
ObrienDave	LOL	06:57
Marvin_1	so the live cd has something that's saving me that the mini or debian don't	06:57
Marvin_1	What FS?	06:57
garandil	ext2	06:58
ObrienDave	ext4 ;P	06:58
garandil	nono... non journaling fs for /boot	06:58
ObrienDave	was going to suggest 100GB / remainder /home	06:58
garandil	yeah, 100gb for / and the rest for /home is good	06:59
Marvin_1	I went with the default setup on debian so I wouldn't have to fight with it and it ended up putting 25 gigs of swap the first time...	06:59
ObrienDave	how much RAM?	06:59
garandil	do you need swap?	06:59
Marvin_1	12 gigs ram	07:00
garandil	I only use swap on servers	07:00
ObrienDave	you don't need swap	07:00
Marvin_1	I don't think I need it, but I always put like 3 gigs in case whatever reason	07:00
Marvin_1	So, gparted crashed during the operations. Redoing	07:00
ObrienDave	close the other windows	07:01
ObrienDave	do 1 operation at a time, apply	07:01
garandil	These UI tools are so unfamiliar	07:02
Marvin_1	Yeah, that's what I did the 2nd time. It crashes on the resize/move operation	07:02
Marvin_1	Probably doesn't mean much but the terminal reads "corrupted double linked list"	07:02
ObrienDave	close cfdisk	07:03
Marvin_1	it is	07:03
ObrienDave	close installer	07:03
Marvin_1	already was	07:03
Marvin_1	Only 2 things I have open, gparted and the terminal	07:03
ObrienDave	ok, gparted, device, create table, msftdata	07:04
ObrienDave	you'll have an empty disk	07:04
Marvin_1	Partition table, correct? I don't have "msftdata" option	07:04
ObrienDave	how about GPT	07:05
Marvin_1	Yup	07:05
ObrienDave	msdos, sorry	07:05
zacwalls	is there some merical software where i can boost storage capacity on a stick?	07:05
zacwalls	miracle	07:05
garandil	zacwalls, no	07:06
ObrienDave	zacwalls, not a good option for stick	07:06
zacwalls	is there a way?	07:06
Marvin_1	Created using GPT. Should I make the 512 ext2 partition in the beginning?	07:06
zacwalls	i only have cd-r	07:06
garandil	Marvin_1, yes, you need to have the stage 1,5 and 2 of Grub somewhere	07:07
garandil	including the initramfs	07:07
ObrienDave	yes, but 100GB mountpoint / format, apply	07:07
garandil	make the 512MB partition first	07:07
garandil	put it in the beginning	07:07
garandil	Then the 100GB for /	07:07
garandil	then the rest for /home	07:08
ObrienDave	going for /root?	07:08
garandil	the first partition is /boot	07:08
ObrienDave	right doh ;P	07:08
zacwalls	what can i do with a cd-r	07:08
garandil	ObrienDave, more coffee ;)	07:08
ObrienDave	well, i had the oot correct ;P	07:08
ObrienDave	zacwalls, nothing	07:09
Marvin_1	Aside from /boot, the other 2 should be ext4?	07:09
ObrienDave	YES ;P	07:09
garandil	Marvin_1, correct	07:09
Marvin_1	Where does the swap generally fit in with the order?	07:09
zacwalls	can i fix my usb somehow?	07:09
ObrienDave	last	07:09
garandil	Marvin_1, in the end	07:09
garandil	But with 12GB of RAM you dont need swap	07:09
ObrienDave	zacwalls, probably not	07:09
Marvin_1	Yeah, was just wondering	07:10
zacwalls	is there another option?	07:10
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, swap is recommended for 6GB or less	07:10
ObrienDave	zacwalls, do you have a micro SD and a USB card reader?	07:11
zacwalls	no	07:11
Marvin_1	Everything created, installer still not picking it up	07:11
garandil	quick one... on the USB stick you are using Marvin_1 , did you have debian there before?	07:12
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, post a pic of your gparted for that drive please	07:12
zacwalls	i meant with the usb... is there another option there?	07:12
Marvin_1	zacwalls, I HAD debian on the drive but did a full format of it to get rid of it since dd breaks my flash drive and I can't write anything to it	07:13
Marvin_1	since then, I've installed xubuntu iso with dd	07:13
garandil	Did you wipe the usb drive completely before putting Xubuntu on it?	07:13
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, can you burn ISO to DVD	07:13
zacwalls	me?	07:13
Marvin_1	Yes to both	07:14
zacwalls	yes	07:14
zacwalls	!clean install	07:14
garandil	Marvin_1, what ObrienDave said.. It's time to remove some storage out of the equation	07:14
zacwalls	no?	07:14
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, try burning ISO to DVD and installing that way	07:15
ObrienDave	COFFEE brb ;P	07:15
Marvin_1	ObrienDave, http://i.imgur.com/t9jAMxK.png	07:15
zacwalls	the flash drive is all i have	07:15
zacwalls	can i program it somehow?	07:16
zacwalls	can i find out what is wrong with it?	07:18
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, i don't see any mount points on that pic	07:23
Marvin_1	Can I create them in gparted?	07:23
ObrienDave	zacwalls, some sticks just don't work	07:23
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, yes	07:23
zacwalls	i know, this one has to though	07:24
Marvin_1	ObrienDave, completely my fault then, sorry. I'll try it again	07:25
ObrienDave	no worries	07:25
ObrienDave	zacwalls, all you can do is try again, different utilities, unetbootin, pendrivelinux, etc	07:26
ObrienDave	zacwalls, your ISO file is good	07:26
zacwalls	i know	07:27
Marvin_1	first google search says you can't do it in gparted, you need to edit /etc/fstab? But I can't if it's not installed. If there is a way, please teach me senpai >.<	07:27
zacwalls	"damn small linux" ha	07:29
Marvin_1	CD finished, booting up	07:30
ObrienDave	garandil, still here?	07:32
garandil	Sorry, had to tend to the puppy	07:32
ObrienDave	np	07:32
ObrienDave	i assume mount points are going to be /boot / /home	07:34
garandil	ObrienDave, that was the plan	07:34
ObrienDave	cool, gparted wont do mount points	07:34
Marvin_1	So, got to the same screen which only had the flash drive. Nothing showed up but the buttons weren't greyed out anymore	07:35
Marvin_1	I hit the 'change' button and...	07:35
Marvin_1	it crashed T_T	07:35
ObrienDave	i don't get it	07:35
garandil	this is strange..	07:35
Marvin_1	Does the SATA type matter?	07:35
ObrienDave	i wouldnt think so	07:36
garandil	do you have it in ACHI ?	07:36
zacwalls	Ubuntu is debian correct? and it is stable net install?	07:36
Marvin_1	uh	07:36
Marvin_1	I had it in RAID the first time, then I switched it to	07:36
Marvin_1	I think IDE	07:36
ObrienDave	zacwalls, you can try the minimal ISO	07:36
ObrienDave	maybe BIOS still thinks it's in RAID mode	07:37
Marvin_1	didn't work so I tried the mini.iso and when that didn't work, I ran over here to the IRC	07:37
zacwalls	i thought that had no gui?	07:37
garandil	starts to look like it	07:37
ObrienDave	zacwalls, only the installer is no GUI	07:37
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, get to BIOS, this sounds like a secure/fast boot, UEFI issue	07:39
zacwalls	how do i use unetbootin ????????????	07:39
Marvin_1	I just got there and left T_T	07:39
Marvin_1	I switched it to ACHI from IDE	07:40
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, ok, try it	07:40
Marvin_1	I thought unetbootin wasn't recommended?	07:40
garandil	zacwalls, not to be rude, but at this point you should look for information on the web	07:40
Marvin_1	Something with messing up boot stuff?	07:40
garandil	Unetbootin is documented well	07:40
zacwalls	i got it running anyway nvm	07:40
ObrienDave	zacwalls, plug USB in, select ISO from lower right button, set persistance, burn to USB	07:41
Marvin_1	So aside from ubuntu-derivs, what other distros do you guys like?	07:41
ObrienDave	Xubuntu ;P	07:41
zacwalls	back track	07:42
zacwalls	i think	07:42
ObrienDave	i've tried most Debian/XFCE distros. i keep coming back to Xubuntu	07:42
garandil	Marvin_1, the right tool for the right job.	07:42
zacwalls	ooh mint	07:42
garandil	Xubuntu for desktop and CentOS/RHEL for servers	07:42
garandil	and gentoo for small systems that is supposed to just run	07:43
ObrienDave	never tried gentoo	07:43
Marvin_1	Haven't heard of RHEL	07:43
garandil	But that's offtopic chat	07:43
garandil	RedHat Enterprise Linux	07:44
ObrienDave	Red Hat Enterprise Linux	07:44
Marvin_1	So the installer crashed with the update in ACHI	07:44
Marvin_1	ObrienDave, you wanted me to enter BIOS?	07:45
ObrienDave	yea, back to IDE	07:45
Marvin_1	That all?	07:45
ObrienDave	trying to think	07:45
ObrienDave	smell the wood burning? ;P	07:45
Marvin_1	Waiting for the lightbulb moment :D	07:46
Marvin_1	But I seriously appreciate both of you helping me	07:46
ObrienDave	hoping you don't have a UEFI. can you post pic of bios screen with camera or something?	07:46
Marvin_1	Yeah sure, just a moment	07:47
Marvin_1	main page?	07:47
garandil	easy enough to determine.. when fixing the disk stuff.. can you use the mouse?	07:47
Marvin_1	no mouse	07:47
Marvin_1	Only keyboard	07:47
ObrienDave	just want to be sure it's BIOS	07:48
Marvin_1	ObrienDave, http://i.imgur.com/cN2rmD0.jpg	07:48
garandil	that is BIOS	07:49
ObrienDave	check this out LOL	07:49
ObrienDave	https://i.imgur.com/qjbtwIz.jpg	07:49
Marvin_1	NSA, always there	07:50
garandil	LOL	07:50
ObrienDave	definately good old AMI bios smooch	07:50
ObrienDave	ok, what is that 4th disk?	07:51
Marvin_1	the cd drive	07:51
ObrienDave	k	07:51
ObrienDave	oh yea, blueray ;P	07:51
xubuntu506	how to check ram?	07:52
Marvin_1	wtf	07:52
Marvin_1	it's blueray?	07:52
xubuntu506	pls help	07:52
xubuntu506	i am using free -m command	07:52
xubuntu506	so which is exactly	07:52
xubuntu506	ram	07:52
xubuntu506	the swap	07:52
xubuntu506	or memory?	07:52
ObrienDave	BD usually means blueray	07:52
ObrienDave	RAM means Random Access Memory	07:53
Marvin_1	This is a relatively old comp so I always assumed it was just named BD for no real reason. Should go get a blueray one day and test it out then	07:54
ObrienDave	xubuntu506, when you boot, grub has a memcheck option	07:54
garandil	xubuntu506, free -t	07:54
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, that is possible. worth $2 to rent one and see	07:54
Marvin_1	now if only it would install T_T	07:55
ObrienDave	anyway, any other options for disktype in BIOS? any raid controllers to disable?	07:55
xubuntu506	thanx alot	07:56
ObrienDave	there HAS to be a reason for this	07:56
Marvin_1	for the controller mode?	07:56
ObrienDave	yea	07:57
Marvin_1	so uh	07:57
Marvin_1	that's interesting	07:57
Marvin_1	on bios scren	07:57
Marvin_1	(screen*), and the monitor crap happened	07:57
Marvin_1	they all just suspended	07:57
Marvin_1	so it's not the OS fault, that's nice to know	07:58
ObrienDave	thinking your video card is dying	07:58
Marvin_1	man, I will literally buy one tonight and have it overnight	07:58
Marvin_1	I am not dealing with this crap	07:58
ObrienDave	i cant see how but that just might be most of the problem	07:59
garandil	Marvin_1, is that machine still under warranty?	08:00
Marvin_1	I've had the stock card since I've gotten it. Worked fine	08:00
Marvin_1	garandil, I wish, I bought it refurbished because I'm cheap	08:00
ObrienDave	what card is it?	08:00
Marvin_1	worked for like 3-4 years, no problem	08:00
ObrienDave	no problems under any other OS	08:01
Marvin_1	I've had windows only, for the desktop	08:01
Marvin_1	I started with linux on my laptop (which is a mac of course >.>)	08:02
Marvin_1	If memory serves, it's a radeon 5670 or something like it	08:02
ObrienDave	what about installing windows and then trying the overwrite option for Xubuntu?	08:03
ObrienDave	it's a Seagate HD	08:03
Marvin_1	When I wiped the drive orignally, I planned to install windows first, then dual boot debian	08:05
Marvin_1	but for some reason I can't recall, the windows part didn't work out, so I said screw it and was gonna go full linux	08:05
ObrienDave	i would think about trying it again just to get the drive fixed up and then overwrite	08:06
ObrienDave	i'm out of ideas otherwise	08:06
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ObrienDave	zacwalls, how's it going with the mini ISO?	08:07
garandil	I'm lost for ideas now..	08:08
ObrienDave	i see no reason for this drive issue	08:08
ObrienDave	what about the CMOS battery? is it new or not more that 7 years old?	08:09
Marvin_1	radeon 6770 is the card. As for the PC, the release date for the model is jun 2011 (I thought it was much earlier tbh) so not that old	08:12
garandil	hmm... smartmontools and check if the drive is healthy maybe?	08:13
ObrienDave	ok, from what i'm seeing the drive should start as FAT32 or NTFS	08:13
Marvin_1	So, side question. To remove a dd-written usb, how should I do it?	08:15
garandil	fdisk and delete the part	08:16
garandil	create new	08:16
Marvin_1	"GPT Table detected on [...] Use GNU Parted"	08:17
ObrienDave	go back to gparted, new table, msdos, new partition, NTFS, whole drive	08:18
Marvin_1	but then I open it on gparted and it tells me no table detected	08:18
Marvin_1	Alright	08:18
garandil	Smells like the disk might be unhealthy	08:19
Marvin_1	brb	08:19
ObrienDave	k	08:19
ObrienDave	i'm grasping for ideas	08:19
Marvin_1	Yeah, this is what messed me up last time. "Driver descriptor says the phys. block size is 2kb, but linux says .5 kb"	08:22
garandil	what the hell?	08:23
Marvin_1	It's a 16 gb flash drive and if I hit 'ignore,' then it treats it like a 4 gig drive	08:23
garandil	are we talking about the disk now or flashdrive?	08:23
ObrienDave	flash	08:23
garandil	use the correct bs when using dd	08:24
* ObrienDave knows why he never got into dd		08:25
ObrienDave	garandil, sorry that just sounds wrong LOL	08:26
garandil	hehe	08:26
ObrienDave	or reads wrong LOL	08:27
ObrienDave	dang, i am not going to stay awake for 5 more hours. grrr	08:27
Marvin_1	ha...ha..., I'm just stupid. It was mounted T_T	08:28
ObrienDave	what was?	08:28
* ObrienDave getting sleepy and confused ;P		08:29
Marvin_1	the flash drive	08:29
ObrienDave	k	08:29
ObrienDave	but at 57, i'm easily confused ;P	08:29
garandil	I'm out of ideas now	08:34
garandil	Only thing left is to check the health of the disk	08:35
Marvin_1	Gonna try a windows install again	08:38
Marvin_1	You mentioned smartmontools, but what should I use to run it?	08:38
Marvin_1	do they have a standalone live type of thing?	08:39
garandil	need to check google	08:39
garandil	smartctl	08:40
ObrienDave	http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/LiveCDs	08:42
garandil	it's in xubuntu's repos	08:42
garandil	# smartctl -a /dev/sda	08:42
Marvin_1	Yeah, I just realized I had the cd	08:43
ObrienDave	http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/gsmartcontrol/download	08:44
Marvin_1	"overall health assessment result: passed"	08:48
ObrienDave	zacwalls, check out YUMI it has a boot error fixer	08:49
Marvin_1	garandil,ObrienDave, you want me to pastebin it, or is that good enough?	08:51
ObrienDave	naw, you seem like a trustworthy kind of person ;P	08:51
Marvin_1	d'awww, thanks	08:52
garandil	I trust that you are not lying about the health of your hdd ;)	08:52
ObrienDave	lol	08:52
Marvin_1	wow, this software hates me. I was about to type that's it been stuck for about 15 minutes on the same percent and as soon as I write the message	08:53
Marvin_1	it shoots up to 99	08:53
ObrienDave	hate when that happens	08:54
Marvin_1	The windows iso, that is	08:54
ObrienDave	when that's done, make sure windows boots and then we can try the Xubuntu	08:55
ObrienDave	going to check something out. back in a few	09:06
deshipu	99 percent only makes you happy for the first 2 hours	09:15
ObrienDave	zacwalls, well dang, YUMI did not work for me	09:15
zacwalls	really	09:15
garandil	tried WinUSB ?	09:16
zacwalls	me? no	09:17
ObrienDave	i'm sticking to Linux apps for now	09:17
zacwalls	brb	09:18
Marvin_1	haha, right	09:20
Marvin_1	now I remember why I couldn't install windows	09:20
Marvin_1	cause the screens died	09:20
garandil	Marvin_1, I suggest that you unplug one screen and install with minimum config	09:21
Marvin_1	as in, unplug one screen, or unplug to get 1 screen?	09:21
garandil	unplug so you only run with one screen	09:22
Marvin_1	2nd try	09:24
zacwalls	UNetbootin didnt work	09:27
zacwalls	can i try and do something to just let the system do an update straight to 14.04 no clean install?	09:29
garandil	there is a chance that it'll breake	09:29
ObrienDave	which one are you on? 12.04?	09:29
zacwalls	yeah	09:29
zacwalls	i have an option to update to 12.10	09:31
ObrienDave	no, don't do that	09:31
zacwalls	i dont want to	09:31
ObrienDave	you can go from 12.04 to 14.04 not from 12.10	09:31
zacwalls	oh how!!!!!!!!!!!	09:31
ObrienDave	hang on	09:32
zacwalls	wait...ill still have xubuntu....nvm ill change os later	09:32
Marvin_1	garandil, there's no wait it was that simple...but it hasn't turned off yet	09:33
Marvin_1	no way*	09:33
ObrienDave	let it sit	09:34
Marvin_1	I've been moving the mouse for the past like 10 minute to make sure it won't idle by itself	09:34
Marvin_1	the paranoia is real	09:34
zacwalls	ha	09:34
ObrienDave	zacwalls, in terminal; sudo apt-get update && dist-upgrate	09:34
ObrienDave	zacwalls, in terminal; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrate	09:35
ObrienDave	sorry	09:35
ObrienDave	DAMN	09:35
ObrienDave	zacwalls, in terminal; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	09:35
Marvin_1	they should make upgrate a thing	09:35
ObrienDave	let that finish 100%	09:35
ObrienDave	Marvin_1, ;P	09:35
Marvin_1	it'll update and then upgrade	09:35
Marvin_1	GGGGGGGGGGGG	09:36
cfhowlett	sudo do-release-upgrade for 12.04 > 14.04	09:36
Marvin_1	windows finished installing and then restarted. Xubuntu launched because of boot priority	09:36
Marvin_1	well	09:36
ObrienDave	do release upgrade is for servers, afaik	09:36
zacwalls	okay done	09:37
cfhowlett	ObrienDave, false.	09:37
ObrienDave	sudo update-manager -d	09:37
zacwalls	it...was...THAT SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thanks	09:38
zacwalls	bye and thanks	09:38
ObrienDave	oh boy, he'll be back LOL	09:39
Marvin_1	wow, that psychic ability	09:40
ObrienDave	sorry cfhowlett everything i'm reading recommends do release for servers and update-manager for desktops	09:41
cfhowlett	ObrienDave, no apology needed. in *nix there're multiple methods to the same end	09:42
ObrienDave	always :)	09:42
cfhowlett	see that?^ no snark. take note.	09:42
cfhowlett	:)	09:43
ObrienDave	i'm waiting for the snark ;P	09:43
ObrienDave	something like "see? i told you so! ;P"	09:43
Marvin_1	windows plz	09:44
Marvin_1	"moving your old files to windows.old" ...[at the end of the install]..."windows.old is corrupt"	09:44
ObrienDave	it's fine, we're going to overwrite everything anyway	09:45
Marvin_1	I wanna boot up into it once to make sure everything's ok before I go back to xubuntu's cd	09:46
ObrienDave	absolutely	09:46
Marvin_1	Any clue about the monitors then? Why having the extra 2 connected would do the weird suspend thing?	09:47
ObrienDave	installers are not designed to work with multiple monitors, afaik	09:48
Marvin_1	Even debian (fully installed) would have the same behavior	09:48
Marvin_1	I didn't try it with only 1 monitor, so I don't know if it would have been fixed that way either	09:49
knome	incorrect again... they might not handle it perfectly (all monitors should just have the same information), but they should work with installers	09:49
knome	ObrienDave, i would really prefer if you stopped guessing.	09:49
knome	if you don't know or aren't sure, don't spread wrong information	09:50
Marvin_1	All 3 were just clones of each other, they weren't extending, but why would that cause them to suspend after X time without being able to wake up?	09:50
knome	Marvin_1, nothing to do with the monitors.	09:50
knome	Marvin_1, i haven't been following, so sorry if i ask same questions again, but is it a desktop or a laptop with external monitors?	09:51
Marvin_1	desktop with 3 connected. During installs of either debian, windows, or xubuntu mini, (with all 3 connected) the monitors would go into sleep mode and be unable to wake up	09:51
knome	that sounds like a hardware feature... are you sure your graphics card is okay?	09:52
Marvin_1	I managed to install debian through ssh and eventually got teamspeak on it, to see if it dropped connection when they died. When the monitors died, the ts3 client would drop the connection but I would still be able to ssh into the desktop from my laptop	09:53
knome	maybe it's overheating or something, or there's a power-saving feature which kicks in a bit too promptly	09:53
Marvin_1	Prior to installing debian, I had windows 7 which would be fine with 3 and never have this behavior	09:53
Marvin_1	so I assumed it was the new OS(es?)...., until it happened in bios setup	09:54
knome	well it definitely doesn't have anything to do with any OS itself, since it's happening with both	09:54
knome	maybe something is dying in your PC	09:54
knome	the power supply unit might not be able to supply enough power for all the hardware, so some might be turned off because of that	09:55
knome	it sounds weird that the installer (or the BIOS) is doing that, but maybe there is something wrong with the PC	09:55
knome	is it an old one?	09:55
Marvin_1	<4 years	09:56
knome	right... hardware isn't my strongest area, but i'd say it's something wrong with that.	09:56
knome	you could try installing with just one monitor to check if even that works	09:57
Marvin_1	Yeah, that's what garandil told me to do and it seemed to work but the installation didn't work at the end for whatever the reason. But it did prevent that monitor from shutting off the whole time	09:58
knome	it definitely sounds like a power supply problem	09:59
ObrienDave	the other issue was that gparted would see his main HD but the Xubuntu installer would not	10:01
garandil	Smells like power issues yes	10:01
knome	maybe there wasn't enough power to spin the HD	10:02
ObrienDave	at the same time?	10:02
knome	that's different then.	10:02
ObrienDave	http://i.imgur.com/bVdRO0X.png	10:03
garandil	Well, reading the PCB on the HDD and actually having it going at full speed is different	10:05
ObrienDave	true	10:05
garandil	Also, going to minimum configuration and then adding in stuff might also help	10:12
Marvin_1	the problem with using that one was the screen shutoff and I couldn't get to the ssh part quick enough	10:14
Marvin_1	but hopefully if the screen problem resolved itself, I'll try it again	10:14
ObrienDave	did you ever have this trouble under windows with 3 monitors?	10:15
Marvin_1	Nope	10:15
Marvin_1	So it seems weird to me that it's the power source suddenly	10:15
Marvin_1	I never spent enough time idling in the bios for the monitors to shut off, so maybe I did have the problem but windows prevented it somehow	10:16
ObrienDave	then i doubt it's the supply, i suspect the Linux drivers for your card	10:16
=== BlackCobra1973 is now known as BlackCobra
JeremiS-Linux	hallo	11:25
JeremiS-Linux	I am on xubuntu right now	11:25
JeremiS-Linux	haha	11:25
cfhowlett	!ask	11:27
ubottu	Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience	11:27
JeremiS-Linux	um ok	11:27
JeremiS-Linux	uhh	11:27
JeremiS-Linux	is there a way that I can make the corners of the titlebar thing to be square	11:27
JeremiS-Linux	and to turn off shadows behind windows/	11:27
cfhowlett	JeremiS-Linux, settings > appearance	11:28
JeremiS-Linux	where is it in there	11:30
JeremiS-Linux	I have it set to adwaita	11:30
cfhowlett	JeremiS-Linux, experiment until you find it or ask #xfce	11:30
brainwash	settings > window manager tweaks > last tab to turn off shadows	11:30
JeremiS-Linux	ah	11:31
brainwash	and settings > window manager to change the window decoration theme	11:31
JeremiS-Linux	I hadn't looked in there	11:31
JeremiS-Linux	thanks	11:31
cfhowlett	!cookie \| brain	11:31
ubottu	brain: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!	11:31
brainwash	:)	11:31
JeremiS-Linux	does xubuntu have workstations?	11:32
JeremiS-Linux	*workspaces	11:32
ObrienDave	yes	11:32
JeremiS-Linux	I used to use elementary and it had that	11:32
brainwash	it does, 2 by default	11:32
ObrienDave	4	11:32
JeremiS-Linux	ok how do you switch between workstations	11:32
JeremiS-Linux	*workspaces	11:33
JeremiS-Linux	sorry	11:33
JeremiS-Linux	I'm kinda new	11:33
brainwash	you can add the workspace switcher plugin to the panel (right click panel and just add it from the list)	11:33
JeremiS-Linux	ok	11:33
brainwash	or you can right click the desktop to switch between workspaces I think	11:34
brainwash	or simply use the assigned keybindings	11:34
JeremiS-Linux	k	11:34
brainwash	oh, I meant middle click the desktop	11:35
JeremiS-Linux	ok	11:38
JeremiS-Linux	is there a way to remove icons in panel buttons	11:38
JeremiS-Linux	for your opened programs and stuff	11:38
JeremiS_	guys I accidentally disabled my mouse	11:44
JeremiS_	um	11:44
JeremiS_	I was in the mouse sectiona nd I thought one setting was like	11:44
JeremiS_	raw mouse integration so no acceleration or anything but it was disable the mouse	11:44
JeremiS_	uh	11:44
JeremiS_	how do I fix that	11:45
JeremiS_	I need to get back to the mouse settings using just the keyboard	11:45
JeremiS_	someone please help	11:48
xubuntu103	Hi all Xubuntu users, I have had an issue!!! I say "had" as I am reinstalling xubuntu 14.04 as we speak hoping I will not re-encounter...	11:50
xubuntu103	problem = after logging in I do not have any desktop other then a wallpaper.	11:51
JeremiS_	help now my mouse is disabled in my whole computer	11:51
JeremiS_	I went to my virtualbox settings and clicked on usb mice and then my mouse	11:51
cfhowlett	JeremiS_, reboot	11:52
JeremiS_	oh it's back	11:52
JeremiS_	I've regained control	11:52
JeremiS_	after forcing my virtual box to close	11:52
JeremiS_	I still don't have mouse control in xubuntu though	11:53
xubuntu103	It happend after installing xubuntu and and installing some additional software (Chromium, playonlinux and removed some apps that I did not require (Pidgin, web browser etc), nothing that should have affected the system.	11:53
xubuntu103	At this time I did not install any new system drivers other then try to get a wifi printer working with no luck.	11:53
xubuntu103	just before this issue happend I tried to change my wallpaper and it would not allow me, so I rebooted thinking the error would resolve itself which it did not, then after login I have no way to access file manager or apps etc.	11:55
cfhowlett	xubuntu103, launch a terminal, launch thunar filemanger	11:56
JeremiS_	ok I'm back	12:12
JeremiS_	I have fixed my mouse controlk	12:12
xubuntu877	hi	14:52
Hedgework	hi	14:52
xubuntu877	I have a problem with my system , I am trying to update it , but it says that I cannot connect to repository	14:53
xubuntu877	I tried searching on forums etc but whatever I tried didn't work	14:53
cfhowlett	xubuntu877, what is the output of terminal: cat /etc/issue	14:54
xubuntu877	I wrote that in terminal and I got : Ubuntu 13.04 \n \l	14:56
cfhowlett	xubuntu877, 13.04 is end of life = no longer supported. upgrade to 12.04 or 14.04	14:57
cfhowlett	!13.04	14:57
ubottu	Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) was the 18th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 27, 2014. See !eol, !upgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/raring	14:57
xubuntu877	I suspected that .... I was just hoping to be wrong since my work now gives me no time to upgrade , anyway thank you very much	14:58
xubuntu877	for your help	14:58
cfhowlett	xubuntu877, happy2help	15:00
Buuntu	i'm having a problem with my screen not waking after suspending (closing the lid on my laptop), any ideas on how to fix?	15:43
garandil	Buuntu, tried to press the power button?	15:47
Buuntu	garandil, huh? i mean i can get it to work but i have to press Ctrl + Alt + F1 every time and then run sudo service lightdm restart	15:48
Buuntu	garandil, which is a pain in the ass...	15:48
Buuntu	garandil, that also means that all of my applications get closed	15:49
Gatis	Does Xubuntu still have xfce DE?	15:52
Hedgework	Gatis: by default, yes, but you can install others if you like	15:52
cfhowlett	Gatis, xfce4	15:52
* Hedgework wanders off to have lunch.		15:53
Gatis	IN screenshots looked like Gnome 3	15:53
garandil	Buuntu, oh.. that's more serious	15:56
Buuntu	garandil, haha so any ideas? online it said to disable light locker but then it seems that i can't lock it at all (which is not the point)?	15:58
knome	Gatis, yes, xubuntu still has xfce.	15:59
garandil	Buuntu, sorry, no.. I've yet to stumble upon such issues myself	16:04
Buuntu	hmm, okay... anyone else have ideas?	16:06
xubuntu491	good morning	16:47
xubuntu491	any please tell me how to download youtube videos	16:47
cfhowlett	!youtube	16:49
cfhowlett	youtube-dl would xubuntu491 or there are firefox plugins	16:50
xubuntu068	please tell	16:50
xubuntu068	how to download youtube videos	16:50
cfhowlett	see the above message	16:51
hyper_ch	howdy, has anyone seen TheSheep lately?	17:41
kj4	ll	17:42
mihailzet	rassian	19:30
mihailzet	russian))	19:31
Pici	!ru	19:32
ubottu	Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. \| Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.	19:32
hyper_ch	я хочу чтобы ты была мамой моих детей?	19:35
hyper_ch	s/?/!/	19:35
zacwalls	what is some good anti virus ware?	19:41
bazhang	!av \| zacwalls	19:41
ubottu	zacwalls: Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux. except where files are then passed to Windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus	19:41
zacwalls	okay my computer is running extreemly slow ever since i updated to 14/04	19:42
bazhang	type top in the terminal zacwal	19:46
bazhang	ah he quit	19:47
Pcneard225	hello everyone\	22:30
knome	hello.	22:30
Pcneard225	hello welcome	22:31
pawel_	hi	22:31
Pcneard225	hows it going	22:31
pawel_	nothing special and u?	22:31
knome	Pcneard225, if you have a support question, please just ask it; general chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic	22:31
zacwalls	so how can i download spotify. i dodnt understand the directions at the website	22:39
zacwalls	every time i try to access /etc/apt/sources.list it says access denied	22:41
zacwalls	bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied	22:42
brainwash	zacwalls: you can add the repository via GUI, see http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/install-spotify-ubuntu-14-04/	22:43
zacwalls	aha	22:43
brainwash	this way you'll get a graphical password prompt	22:43
zacwalls	i wanted to do it via terminal though	22:43
brainwash	then you have to use sudo	22:44
brainwash	!sudo	22:44
ubottu	sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo	22:44
zacwalls	i tryed. it said no command fonud /etc/apt/sources.list	22:44
zacwalls	tried	22:44
brainwash	which command?	22:45
zacwalls	sudo /etc/apt/sources.list	22:45
zacwalls	. i thought i may give it a try considering i didnt know the command	22:45
brainwash	passing only the file name won't work apparently :)	22:46
zacwalls	yes	22:46
brainwash	you need to specify the text editor	22:46
zacwalls	so witch command do i use	22:46
brainwash	like nano -> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list	22:46
knome	no heretic commands here please.	22:46
brainwash	just make sure that you don't mess with this file	22:46
zacwalls	lol what does that mean?	22:46
brainwash	so, I recommend reading my link and use the graphical way of adding a new repository	22:47
zacwalls	isnt there one called somthing like gksu	22:47
brainwash	yes, for graphical apps like mousepad	22:48
knome	zacwalls, if you don't understand command line at all, do not force yourself to do everything with it. make yourself comfortable with the graphical UI first.	22:48
brainwash	gksu mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list	22:48
zacwalls	okay so im at mousepad what do i do next	22:50
knome	zacwalls, what about reading the tutorial you are following?	22:50
zacwalls	i dont understand it	22:50
knome	zacwalls, then do it the GUI way.	22:51
zacwalls	i am	22:51
zacwalls	i think	22:51
zacwalls	that was easyer than i thought	22:53
zacwalls	easer	22:53
GeekDude	I recently recieved a dell desktop. It has a 120gb drive, with a 119gb windows XP partition on it. I want to install xubuntu alongside XP, but I get a scary message when I go to resize the windows partition in gparted	23:20
bekks	GeekDude: Which "scary" message?	23:20
GeekDude	something along the lines of that windows may fail to boot after the operation is done	23:21
GeekDude	give me a second to see what it said exactly	23:21
GeekDude	"Moving a partition might cause your operating system to fail to boot"	23:23
GeekDude	"You have queued an operation to move the start sector of partion /dev/sda1. Failure to boot is most likely to occur if you move the gnu/linux partition containing /boot, or if you move the windows system partition C:"	23:23
bekks	GeekDude: Then you shouldnt do that, but shrink the windows partition instead of shrinking and moving ("free space before vs. free space after")	23:25
GeekDude	If I just run the xubuntu installer, will it figure out partitioning?	23:26
GeekDude	bekks?	23:36
GeekDude	or should I go ahead and move the 119gb partition down to the 20gb I want it at?	23:36
GeekDude	bekks: it looks like the installer is smart enough to do the partitioning for me	23:45
bekks	GeekDude: Sounds good :)	23:49
GeekDude	20gb xp with 100gb xubuntu alongside seems pretty good	23:49

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