[00:01] <suncokret> thank you for help
[00:02] <ObrienDave> my pleasure and good luck
[00:02] <suncokret> you too
[00:02] <suncokret> bye
[01:37] <quantibility> hey does anyone know of app that i can use to automatically file my downloads in their appropriate folders?
[01:45] <holstein> quantibility: i use the file manager.. thunar
[01:45] <holstein> the issue is, what is appropriate? and how do you parse that.. you can script something that would do whatever you like
[01:46] <quantibility> can it it do it auto matically?
[01:46] <holstein> quantibility: do what?
[01:46] <holstein> quantibility:  i mean, if you have just arbitrary directories, no
[01:47] <quantibility> so
[01:47] <holstein> quantibility: if you wanted to script something that moves based on some criteria, you can
[01:47] <ali1234> i've been looking for an app like that for years
[01:47] <quantibility> it needs to be made
[01:47] <ObrienDave> then make one
[01:47] <holstein> quantibility: it *is* made. you script what you like
[01:47] <quantibility> i thought about it
[01:47] <quantibility> hmmm
[01:47] <quantibility> were is script documentation?
[01:47] <ali1234> just figuring out how to organize the files is probably impossible anyway
[01:47] <quantibility> no
[01:47] <holstein> quantibility: "appropriate" is the issue. you have to determine what you want, and make it happen
[01:47] <ali1234> see "everything is miscellaneous"
[01:48] <quantibility> ali1234
[01:48] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeta_YZ0oE
[01:48] <quantibility> i thought of organizing by file extention and makeing an appropriate folder for the like
[01:48] <ali1234> yeah that's a reeally terrible way to organize files
[01:49] <ali1234> what if you have a folder with mp3s and separate album art?
[01:49] <quantibility> jpg's and such photo, mp4's and such video,
[01:49] <quantibility> yeah but im doing about downloading on the fly
[01:49] <quantibility> im talking about
[01:49] <ObrienDave> what, 1000's of files a day? rofl
[01:49] <quantibility> i've thought over other ideas as well,
[01:49] <quantibility> no
[01:49] <ali1234> yeah see the thing is i have like 10 years of unorganized downloads already
[01:50] <ObrienDave> try 30 years here LOL
[01:50] <quantibility> all the photos videos and such from my smartphone
[01:50] <quantibility> yeah
[01:50] <quantibility> auto find and file would be a neat feature
[01:50] <quantibility> wounderful
[01:50] <quantibility> i found a project that is nothing for a phone
[01:51] <holstein> i use dropbox.. though there are many options.. bitorrent sync or whatever
[01:51] <quantibility> any java coders around that can crash course me in... Drop box for linux?
[01:52] <holstein> quantibility: there is a java channel
[01:52] <quantibility> do i have to build it?
[01:52] <holstein> quantibility: dropbox releases a linux verion
[01:52] <quantibility> hmm
[01:52] <knome> quantibility, you could just use the awesome file searching application catfish.
[01:53] <quantibility> right but im looking for automation
[01:53] <holstein> yeah, i just type what i want, and dont worry about directory structure so much any more
[01:53] <knome> quantibility, automation to put files into organized directories where you look for them manually anyway?
[01:54] <holstein> quantibility: you can script what you like.. "move all files *.mp3 to ~/music/mp3" or whatever you like
[01:54] <quantibility> yeah i have messed with mirc scripting before back in the day
[01:54] <quantibility> im sure its simalar
[01:55] <quantibility> no no no no i don't want web intergrated stroage
[01:55] <quantibility> catfish you say?
[01:56] <quantibility> no what i want is when i click on any file to download i want it to auto store the files retrived their apropriate folders
[01:57] <knome> quantibility, what do you do with the files after that?
[01:57] <holstein> quantibility: just say what you want, friend.. i use dropbox to get my pictures or whatever i want from my phone to my computer. there are many ways to do that..
[01:57] <quantibility> nothing, just that they are organized when i want to look for em,,,
[01:57] <holstein> quantibility: bitorrent sync, for example. not "web integrated" at all
[01:58] <holstein> quantibility: there is nothing magic you can download that'll just happen to put your files exactly where you prefer them to be.. you'll have to decide how you prefer them, and script something.. or just manually put them there.. or search
[01:58] <quantibility> lets say i download a pic, it goes into a pic folder... now for more elaborate organization im sure i would have to program (script or other wise)
[01:59] <quantibility> see that the point it doesn't exists and i think  i can develop it beautifully
[01:59] <knome> quantibility, do you understand i'm proposing an alternative way of thinking... why keep them organized when you can just look for them with catfish when you want?
[01:59] <holstein> quantibility: what i would do is, download the pic.. then, the script i would write would run whenever i schedule it, and move the pic where i want
[01:59] <ali1234> because having the computer search every file on the disk is really slow
[01:59] <quantibility> yes
[01:59] <quantibility> agreed
[02:00] <quantibility> but there are ways to speed up the process like just scanning the image then referencing the file
[02:00] <holstein> quantibility: there is not overall "appropriate" place for pics.. there is where you download them to, and where you want them.. where you want them can be differtent than where i want then, thus, no "autosort" thing..
[02:00] <quantibility> same crap can be scripted right in mirc and Xchat i assume
[02:00] <ali1234> sorting into directories based on filetype is really easy
[02:00] <ali1234> the problem is it's not very useful
[02:00] <holstein> quantibility: xchat is not something i would move files around on my computer with. i would use bash
[02:00] <ali1234> for the reasons i have given...
[02:01] <quantibility> on the contrary its very useful, the idea behind it is TO sort not freaking browse
[02:02] <holstein> quantibility: do what you like.. you dont need to argue its usefulness.
[02:02]  * ObrienDave wonders how this convo is xubuntu support related
[02:02] <holstein> quantibility: i dont want it. and what you want can be differnt from what others want. but its easy to do what you want, many ways
[02:02] <quantibility> yeah agreed
[02:02] <quantibility> so where is ubuntu documentation for scripting so i can get started here
[02:03] <holstein> !bash
[02:03] <holstein> quantibility: there is not really "heres the handbook on how to script every little piece of ubuntu"..
[02:07] <holstein> quantibility: you can use many ways to script such a thing.. but, the distros basically have a set work flow, and if you want to customize on your own, you are welcome to
[03:13] <gg> http://imgur.com/dp3AvWc this stick should boot now? btw im using xubuntu 12.04
[03:14] <ObrienDave> that pic is of the ISO, not the USB
[03:15] <gg> it is the iso in the 8.2 filesystem (usb)
[03:16] <ObrienDave> well, if that's the case, i looks correct. no guarantees
[03:16] <ObrienDave> *it
[03:16] <gg> okay i will try and come back
[03:27] <new> hello, I am trying out xubuntu for the first time. when i try watching video online i am not able to go to full screen. is it possible to fix this?
[03:28] <ObrienDave> new, which player? website? DVD? mp4? details please
[03:28] <xangua> if by  video you mean a flash video, flash sucks in linux new
[03:29] <new> mp4
[03:30] <ObrienDave> okaaaaay, so HOW are you viewing it?
[03:30] <new> online via mirror
[03:31] <xangua> cab you be a little more helpful new ¿
[03:31] <xangua> can*
[03:31] <new> i can watch the video without any problems, it simply wont let me use full screen.
[03:31] <new> sorry, Im not sure what information is helpful.
[03:32] <xangua> by HOW, ObrienDave means what site, what player, whatever details you can give to help you new
[03:32] <ObrienDave> HOW ARE YOU WATCHING IT? chrome? firefox? stand-alone player?
[03:32] <new> ah, ok. Chrome
[03:33] <xangua> ......
[03:34] <ObrienDave> try using firefox, see if it works. then i'll tell you why
[03:34] <new> I just did, Same result
[03:35] <ObrienDave> well, that blows that theory LOL
[03:35] <new> lol sorry
[03:35] <ObrienDave> which website?
[03:36] <new> nwanime.com
[03:36] <new> ive tried multiple videos to make sure it wasnt different between them
[03:38] <xangua> just view the first video, it's a flahs video,  and it has a fullscreen button
[03:39] <ObrienDave> i just went there, i have no problems with full screen
[03:39] <ObrienDave> in chrome
[03:39] <xangua> and firefox
[03:40] <ObrienDave> http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/legend-of-korra-209-full-episode.html
[03:40] <ObrienDave> what happens when you press full screen button?
[03:43] <ObrienDave> *whistles and waits*;P
[03:46] <ObrienDave> *drums fingers*
[03:49] <ObrienDave> *sighs and drifts on back to main*
[03:50] <xangua> maybe he already saw the fullscreen button :)
[03:51] <ObrienDave> oh no, there is a full screen button? i was scaling the resolution ;P rofl
[04:09] <zacwalls> so the last time i tried to boot a bootable usb, i got a error saying "this is not a bootable disk insert a bootable floppy and press any button to trty again".
[04:10] <ObrienDave> that means you got a bad transfer
[04:10] <ObrienDave> try again
[04:11] <zacwalls> so wipe the usb and make a startup disk again with the same iso?
[04:12] <ObrienDave> yes, iirc your md5sum is correct for the ISO
[04:12] <zacwalls> okay
[04:13] <ObrienDave> 14.04.1 64bit, yes?
[04:13] <zacwalls> yes
[04:13] <ObrienDave> ok, remake the USB
[04:14] <ObrienDave> do you have a DVD burner?
[04:14] <zacwalls> yes no dvd-r though
[04:14] <ObrienDave> dvd-rw?
[04:14] <zacwalls> nada
[04:15] <ObrienDave> ok, usb it is. i've had much better luck with DVD
[04:15] <zacwalls> what is command for md5sum?
[04:15] <zacwalls> dose it need sudo?
[04:16] <ObrienDave> it shouldnt need sudo
[04:16] <zacwalls> okay i accedently typed md5sun so... im in the dark
[04:18] <ObrienDave> ctrl-c to quit
[04:18] <zacwalls> 119cb63b48c9a18f31f417f09655efbd does it match the other hash?
[04:18] <ObrienDave> that looks right
[04:18] <zacwalls> okay
[04:19] <zacwalls> ima make startup disk again and be back in a second
[04:19] <zacwalls> how much space should i reserve?
[04:19] <zacwalls> 2gb?
[04:21] <ObrienDave> http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/MD5SUMS
[04:22] <zacwalls> okay
[04:22] <ObrienDave> oh, depends on how large your stick is. you need 4GB or so for the install.
[04:22] <zacwalls> it is 8gb
[04:22] <zacwalls> so im all good
[04:23] <ObrienDave> if you max out persistance, it will only use what is left after install
[04:24] <zacwalls> i only made 2gb reserve
[04:24] <ObrienDave> thats fine
[04:24] <zacwalls> eta 8 min
[04:25] <ObrienDave> no rush
[04:25] <zacwalls> i know,. i just sick of sitting on the flour :)
[04:26] <ObrienDave> i can understand but somethings you can't rush. causes way more problems in the long run
[04:27] <ObrienDave> it seems 2 nights ago you were worried about 90 minutes. LOL this has taken way more time than that ;P
[04:28] <zacwalls> yeah tell me about it. i want more experience. and i will do anything for that
[04:29] <ObrienDave> experience takes time and making mistakes. you'll get there :)
[04:29] <zacwalls> how can i run anti virus ware via term?
[04:30] <ObrienDave> clamav is the only one i know of. i'm sure there are others
[04:30] <zacwalls> okay
[04:42] <zacwalls> my pc unplugged
[04:42] <zacwalls> it is operational once more
[04:45] <zacwalls> ObrienDave, thanks for helping
[04:45] <ObrienDave> no prob zacwalls
[04:45] <zacwalls> so how did you get involved with pc's?
[04:46] <ObrienDave> i had my first programming class in 1971. been tinkering with computers ever since ;P
[04:47] <zacwalls> wow
[04:48] <zacwalls> i never had or probaly have a class. everything (almost) i taught myself
[04:49] <ObrienDave> well, you're young and ambitious. you will learn patience as you get older :)
[04:51] <zacwalls> i have the ability to be patience  but, i don’t use it often unless i must.
[04:51] <ObrienDave> lol yes, i know :)
[04:52] <zacwalls> well i may have an infamous notoriety on irc but...i got nothing. :)
[04:53] <zacwalls> eta: 4
[04:54] <zacwalls> so what os u use?
[04:55] <ObrienDave> Xubuntu and Windows when i have to
[04:55] <zacwalls> dual-boot?
[04:55] <ObrienDave> sure
[04:56] <zacwalls> aha
[04:56] <ObrienDave> i just put a 1.5TB drive in my laptop. plenty of room nw LOL
[04:56] <zacwalls> ha
[04:56] <ObrienDave> *now
[04:56] <zacwalls> 99%
[04:57] <xubuntu815> Can anybody tell me how to install an older linux kernel on a fresh install of xubuntu 14.04?
[04:57] <ObrienDave> why would you want to do that?
[04:57] <ObrienDave> and how old?
[04:57] <zacwalls> Installation is complete.  You may now run Ubuntu on other computers by booting them with this drive inserted.
[04:58] <xubuntu815> Because I think the current kernel has some compatibility issues. And I'm on 2007 hardware
[04:58] <zacwalls> 0-0
[04:58] <xubuntu815> I installed kernel 3.2.61 on LMDE and it worked
[04:58] <xubuntu815> but on xubuntu it won't boot
[04:58] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, cool, shut down, remove stick, fire it up ;P
[04:58] <xubuntu815> into that kernel
[04:59] <zacwalls> ObrienDave, how? why remove disk?
[04:59] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, oh, sorry i thought you were installing to HD
[05:00] <zacwalls> nono
[05:00] <zacwalls> maby it will work this time! bye
[05:00] <ObrienDave> k
[05:00] <ObrienDave> gl
[05:00] <zacwalls> wait!
[05:00] <ObrienDave> ok
[05:01] <zacwalls> wat command for shutdown?
[05:01] <zacwalls> do i need root?
[05:01] <zacwalls> nvm
[05:01] <zacwalls> bye
[05:02] <ObrienDave> k
[05:02] <vrkalak> xubuntu815, LMDE and xubuntu do not have same kernel
[05:04] <xubuntu815> Okay, that makes sense. So now I'm just trying to figure out a more stable kernel I can install on my system. I installed 3.9 from a guide I found dated 2012 and I booted into it but it had the same problem as kernel 3.13 and crashed.
[05:04] <zsw_> well the error message this time was "boot error".
[05:05] <ObrienDave> zsw_, i'm out of ideas. try a different USB stick
[05:05] <zsw_> i dont have one
[05:06] <ObrienDave> zsw_, i have to assume your BIOS is set up to boot the stick
[05:06] <zsw_> idk
[05:06] <zsw_> i never go in there often
[05:07] <zsw_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949602
[05:07] <zsw_> look what i found
[05:07] <ObrienDave> that would be good to know. it needs to be set up that way
[05:08] <vrkalak> xubuntu815, the LMDE is on kernel 3.15.7-1 already
[05:08] <zsw_> how do i figure out?
[05:08] <vrkalak> 3.15 kernel is extremely stable
[05:09]  * vrkalak is Admin for LinuxMint (LMDE) and Debian-Maintainer
[05:11] <zsw_>     Check CMOS (BIOS) settings for USB. I think you may need Auto or Legacy for USB. Anyway try a different setting and see if that works. Some will say in BIOS help that you need a specific USB setting to boot from USB.
[05:11] <zsw_>     I have generally found that on Dell computers you still have to press F12 during BIOS splash to select USB even if you earlier set USB before hard drive in boot order. On those computers the only time it "might" work without pressing F12 is if that USB device has always been connected and booted from since you set BIOS boot order.
[05:11] <ObrienDave> zsw_, looks like you need to format the stick to EXT4 first
[05:11] <zsw_> how?
[05:12] <ObrienDave> what system is on your computer now?
[05:12] <zsw_> xubuntu 12.04
[05:13] <ObrienDave> ok, delete the USB with gparted, refomat to EXT4 and reburn the stick
[05:13] <ObrienDave> *reformat
[05:14] <zsw_> obrienDave, how. im a noob remember :)
[05:14] <ObrienDave> run gparted
[05:15] <zsw_> downloading
[05:16] <ObrienDave> k
[05:17] <zsw_> i need to config root real quick
[05:18] <ObrienDave> why?
[05:18] <zsw_> cuz i beed root privileges to run sudo passwd root
[05:19] <zsw_> i mean  gparted
[05:20] <ObrienDave> no, you just enter your password. gparted will run
[05:20] <ObrienDave> are you doing this from terminal? no gui?
[05:21] <zsw_> term
[05:21] <ObrienDave> do you have a DE?
[05:21] <zsw_> i bypassed it
[05:22] <ObrienDave> huh? why?
[05:22] <zsw_> no i bypass root
[05:22] <zsw_> im at  gparted
[05:22] <ObrienDave> you can see the gparted gui? yes?
[05:24] <zsw_> yes http://imgur.com/hS8oVNL what do i do?
[05:25] <ObrienDave> ok, top right corner, make SURE you select your USB from the drop down
[05:25] <zsw_> i dont know witch usb is the one
[05:25] <ObrienDave> you should only have 1 8GB device in the list ;P
[05:26] <zsw_> i got it
[05:26] <ObrienDave> mine says 7.45GB
[05:26] <zsw_> it is fat32
[05:27] <zsw_> its okay
[05:27] <ObrienDave> ok, partition, format to, EXT4
[05:28] <zsw_> okay
[05:28] <ObrienDave> green check mark to apply operation, accept the change
[05:29] <zsw_> the format option is not highlighted
[05:30] <ObrienDave> oh LOL you have to unmount it
[05:30] <zsw_> okay
[05:30] <ObrienDave> then you can format it to ext4
[05:30] <zsw_> its pending
[05:30] <ObrienDave> green check mark to apply operation, accept the change
[05:31] <ObrienDave> will take 30 seconds or so
[05:31] <zsw_> okay done
[05:32] <ObrienDave> http://i.imgur.com/RfZhxX1.png
[05:32] <zsw_> can o boot now?
[05:32] <ObrienDave> should look something like that
[05:32] <zsw_> it did ima boot bow
[05:32] <zsw_> now
[05:33] <ObrienDave> hang on
[05:33] <zsw_> okay
[05:33] <ObrienDave> partition, manage flags, select boot
[05:34] <ObrienDave> last column should change from msftdata to boot
[05:35] <zsw_> the manage flags is not highlighted
[05:36] <ObrienDave> it's ok, go ahead and reburn the USB again
[05:36] <zsw_> okay
[05:36] <ObrienDave> if that does not work, we'll try GPT partition table
[05:37] <zsw_> okay
[05:37] <ObrienDave> if that does not work i suggest a very big hammer for your stick LOL
[05:38] <zsw_> yes but now make startup disk is not highlighted
[05:38] <ObrienDave> did you eject the stick and reinsert?
[05:39] <zsw_> 2 times
[05:39] <zsw_> i couldent manage flags
[05:39] <ObrienDave> imgur a pic for me please
[05:39] <zsw_> couldn’t
[05:40] <zsw_> http://imgur.com/hhPBzuZ
[05:40] <ObrienDave> hint: the ISO will overwrite the flags anyway
[05:40] <zsw_> aha
[05:41] <ObrienDave> ok, click erase disk
[05:41] <zsw_> okay
[05:41] <zsw_> org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.Inhibited: Daemon is inhibited
[05:42] <zsw_> what does that mean?
[05:42] <ObrienDave> dunno, did you close gparted?
[05:42] <zsw_> no ugh
[05:42] <ObrienDave> LOL
[05:42] <ObrienDave> that will do it
[05:43] <ObrienDave> close everything but IRC chat and disk creator
[05:43] <zsw_> okay
[05:43] <ObrienDave> well you might need chrome for imgur
[05:44] <ObrienDave> or ff
[05:44] <zsw_> firefox
[05:44] <zsw_> YEAH
[05:44] <ObrienDave> that's fine
[05:44] <ObrienDave> got it?
[05:44] <zsw_> yeah
[05:44] <ObrienDave> cool, kick back, enjoy the show for a few, i'll be back in 10
[05:44] <zsw_> okay
[05:54] <ObrienDave> i assume it's going good
[05:56] <mizrradev> :)
[05:56] <zsw_> okay its done
[05:56] <mizrradev> Hello!!??
[05:56] <zsw_> hi
[05:56] <ObrienDave> ok, see if it works
[05:56] <zsw_> okay brb
[05:56] <mizrradev> help me!!!
[05:58] <ObrienDave> wow
[06:01] <zacwalls> wow boot error
[06:02] <ObrienDave> ok, dang
[06:02] <zacwalls> did u read the query?
[06:02] <ObrienDave> yea
[06:02] <zacwalls> ext2
[06:02] <zacwalls> let me check
[06:03] <ObrienDave> well, lets try gparted. this time make new partition table GPT and format to fat32
[06:03] <zacwalls> it is fat32 again
[06:04] <zacwalls> 1 partition is currently active on device /dev/sdb.
[06:05] <zacwalls> A new partition table cannot be created when there are active partitions.  Active partitions are those that are in use, such as a mounted file system, or enabled swap space.
[06:05] <zacwalls> Use Partition menu options, such as unmount or swapoff, to deactivate all partitions on this device before creating a new partition table.
[06:05] <Marvin_1> Trying to install 14.04 using the minimal iso, but my monitors die out at a 'random' point during the install
[06:05] <Marvin_1> not sure what to do T_T
[06:06] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, you can't do a thing with the stick munted. always unmount in gparted
[06:06] <zacwalls> okay didnt know
[06:07] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, that's normal. shake mouse, press shift key, something to wake up the monitor
[06:07] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, no biggie
[06:07] <Marvin_1> ObrienDave, nothing wakes it up. I had the same problem installing debian and the only solution was to get ssh up before I lost sight
[06:08] <Marvin_1> I was using the mini iso since the normal one doesn't have ssh support (AFAIK), but I can't get it set up fast enough
[06:09] <zacwalls> http://imgur.com/iSh4SRA
[06:09] <ObrienDave> hmm, at the beginning, F6 i believe, there might be an option for "nomodeset"
[06:09] <zacwalls> WHAT HAPPENED?????
[06:10] <zacwalls> i clicked on create partition table
[06:10] <ObrienDave> when you changed partition table to GPT that is normal
[06:10] <ObrienDave> now, new, fat32
[06:11] <Marvin_1> ObrienDave, quick google search shows that the command makes it rely on the bios video. If that's true, then the problem will still exist once I get it installed and switch to the video card?
[06:11] <zacwalls> it says i deleted all data
[06:12] <ObrienDave> yes, partition, new, fat32
[06:13] <zacwalls> it is highlighted
[06:13] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, not sure but that is the fix for black or blank screens
[06:13] <zacwalls> i mean it is not
[06:14] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, click the unallocated area, right click for menu
[06:14] <Marvin_1> I can use the screens on startup, but at what seems to be a time-dependent event, the computer acts as if it's going into sleep or something
[06:15] <Marvin_1> without the ability to wake it up
[06:15] <zacwalls> ?
[06:15] <zacwalls> how do i label
[06:16] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, you don;t need a lable right now
[06:16] <ObrienDave> label*
[06:16] <zacwalls> okay fat32 done
[06:16] <ObrienDave> ok, try the burn again
[06:16] <zacwalls> okay
[06:17] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, sorry, i avoid the mini ISO. i only know that nomodeset option might help
[06:17] <ObrienDave> !nomodeset
[06:18] <Marvin_1> Doesn't seem to be a valid solution since the screens work. A second problem I'm having if you're willing to help is during install with the actual iso
[06:18] <zacwalls> okay starting
[06:19] <Marvin_1> Using gparted, I can see my main hard-drive, but using the install GUI, I can't
[06:19] <ObrienDave> the mini ISO is text based. there is no GUI afaik
[06:20] <Marvin_1> Using the main iso
[06:21] <ObrienDave> i don't know about that issue. i've never had that come up during install and i redid mine 24 hours ago
[06:23] <ObrienDave> did it show any drives at all?
[06:23] <Marvin_1> Just the flash drive in the installer
[06:24] <Marvin_1> I have my HDD partitioned in ext4 already using the gparted that comes with the live boot and the installer won't see them
[06:24] <ObrienDave> are you overwriting everything or going for a dual boot?
[06:25] <Marvin_1> overwrite
[06:25] <ObrienDave> did you select that option or "something else"
[06:25] <Marvin_1> I don't get that option
[06:26] <Marvin_1> It goes straight from "preparing to install" with the check for space and connection, to the list of drives with the flash drive being the only one up there
[06:26] <Marvin_1> I have ubuntu on my desktop, and I recall it asking if I wanted to do it alongside and all that other crap
[06:27] <Marvin_1> but my hdd on the desktop is completely empty, so I assume it knows it wants to overwrite anything there
[06:27] <ObrienDave> yes, that is surprising. how larg of a drive?
[06:27] <ObrienDave> *large
[06:27] <Marvin_1> 2tb
[06:28] <ObrienDave> ok, then you don't need GPT
[06:29] <ObrienDave> i suggest formating the drive to FAT32 or NTFS and try the install with the full live ISO
[06:30] <Marvin_1> Will do
[06:33] <zacwalls> done brb
[06:33] <ObrienDave> k
[06:34] <Marvin_1> ObrienDace, no dice :(
[06:35] <ObrienDave> that is strange, no main drive at all?
[06:35] <Marvin_1> Correct
[06:36] <ObrienDave> is it a UEFI machine?
[06:36] <zacwalls> im going on a homicidal rampage.
[06:37] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, i think your stick just will not work. it happens. you'll have to try a different stick
[06:37] <zacwalls> i dont have one
[06:37] <ObrienDave> is your machine a UEFI?
[06:37] <Marvin_1> Fairly certain it's BIOS
[06:38] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, if not, the secure boot will prevent you from seeing the drive. (thanks M$)
[06:39] <ObrienDave> but i don't understand why gparted will see it but not the installer. only thing that makes sense to me
[06:40] <garandil> it can see the drive, just not interact with it
[06:40] <Marvin_1> Debian was fine to install (using ssh but w/e)
[06:40] <ObrienDave> garandil, only during install
[06:40] <Marvin_1> It can interact with it, I believe, since I can format and resize
[06:41] <garandil> hmm.. Marvin_1 are you able to boot the live env. and use (c)fdisk on it?
[06:42] <Marvin_1> What's with the (c)?
[06:42] <garandil> cfdisk
[06:44] <garandil> To me it sounds like the partition table might be borked
[06:45] <ObrienDave> you can make a net partition table in gparted
[06:45] <ObrienDave> *new
[06:45] <Marvin_1> I've heard of the command but haven't used it. I can do "fdisk /dev/sda" and it brings me to a prompt to enter a command
[06:45] <garandil> Marvin_1, do p
[06:45] <garandil> or use cfdisk /dev/sda instead
[06:46] <Marvin_1> So there's the main sda1 partition
[06:47] <Marvin_1> but before it is about a meg free with log type
[06:47] <Marvin_1> and following it is a tenth of a meg with same details
[06:47] <Marvin_1> following the main partition
[06:47] <garandil> so you only have one big partition?
[06:48] <Marvin_1> correct
[06:48] <garandil> ok, that's not right
[06:48] <Marvin_1> fat32 formatted, as ObrienDave told me before
[06:48] <garandil> ah
[06:48] <garandil> Then it makes sense
[06:49] <garandil> ObrienDave, sorry
[06:50] <garandil> You should be able to proceed
[06:50] <ObrienDave> garandil, not a problem :)
[06:51] <Marvin_1> http://i.imgur.com/bVdRO0X.png
[06:51]  * ObrienDave needs his last cup of coffee
[06:51] <garandil> But remember to make it "Erase all and install Xubuntu"
[06:51] <Marvin_1> I don't have that option since there's nothing on the drive
[06:52] <Marvin_1> It skips to the image I linked
[06:52] <ObrienDave> i think your ok because it shows sda for bootloader location
[06:52] <garandil> Yeah, the image suggests that you should be ok
[06:52] <ObrienDave> *you're
[06:53] <Marvin_1> Then I hit install now and "no root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu"
[06:53] <Marvin_1> but I don't believe I can do that unless sda is available on the table
[06:53] <garandil> back and use guided partitioning
[06:54] <Marvin_1> I don't have that option T_T
[06:54] <ObrienDave> what is on sdb?
[06:54] <Marvin_1> Flash drive containing the live files
[06:55] <zacwalls> how is 4 gigs?
[06:55] <ObrienDave> try new partition table
[06:55] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, should work
[06:55] <zacwalls> okay
[06:55] <ObrienDave> no more than 1G for persistance
[06:56] <Marvin_1> That just wants to overwrite the usb and while it's not a big problem since I can rewrite to it, it's not the HDD
[06:56] <Marvin_1> garandil, the GUI goes from step 1 -> step 3
[06:56] <Marvin_1> I assume step 2 is the one to choose the setup option
[06:56] <Marvin_1> but it literally jumps the step
[06:56] <ObrienDave> yea
[06:56] <garandil> Aye...
[06:57] <Marvin_1> on the upside, the monitors have been fine since
[06:57] <garandil> hmm.. on /dev/sda try to make 512MB partition in the beginning and use mountpoint /boot
[06:57] <ObrienDave> LOL
[06:57] <Marvin_1> so the live cd has something that's saving me that the mini or debian don't
[06:57] <Marvin_1> What FS?
[06:58] <garandil> ext2
[06:58] <ObrienDave> ext4 ;P
[06:58] <garandil> nono... non journaling fs for /boot
[06:58] <ObrienDave> was going to suggest 100GB / remainder /home
[06:59] <garandil> yeah, 100gb for / and the rest for /home is good
[06:59] <Marvin_1> I went with the default setup on debian so I wouldn't have to fight with it and it ended up putting 25 gigs of swap the first time...
[06:59] <ObrienDave> how much RAM?
[06:59] <garandil> do you need swap?
[07:00] <Marvin_1> 12 gigs ram
[07:00] <garandil> I only use swap on servers
[07:00] <ObrienDave> you don't need swap
[07:00] <Marvin_1> I don't think I need it, but I always put like 3 gigs in case whatever reason
[07:00] <Marvin_1> So, gparted crashed during the operations. Redoing
[07:01] <ObrienDave> close the other windows
[07:01] <ObrienDave> do 1 operation at a time, apply
[07:02] <garandil> These UI tools are so unfamiliar
[07:02] <Marvin_1> Yeah, that's what I did the 2nd time. It crashes on the resize/move operation
[07:02] <Marvin_1> Probably doesn't mean much but the terminal reads "corrupted double linked list"
[07:03] <ObrienDave> close cfdisk
[07:03] <Marvin_1> it is
[07:03] <ObrienDave> close installer
[07:03] <Marvin_1> already was
[07:03] <Marvin_1> Only 2 things I have open, gparted and the terminal
[07:04] <ObrienDave> ok, gparted, device, create table, msftdata
[07:04] <ObrienDave> you'll have an empty disk
[07:04] <Marvin_1> Partition table, correct? I don't have "msftdata" option
[07:05] <ObrienDave> how about GPT
[07:05] <Marvin_1> Yup
[07:05] <ObrienDave> msdos, sorry
[07:05] <zacwalls> is there some merical software where i can boost storage capacity on a stick?
[07:05] <zacwalls> miracle
[07:06] <garandil> zacwalls, no
[07:06] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, not a good option for stick
[07:06] <zacwalls> is there a way?
[07:06] <Marvin_1> Created using GPT. Should I make the 512 ext2 partition in the beginning?
[07:06] <zacwalls> i only have cd-r
[07:07] <garandil> Marvin_1, yes, you need to have the stage 1,5 and 2 of Grub somewhere
[07:07] <garandil> including the initramfs
[07:07] <ObrienDave> yes, but 100GB mountpoint / format, apply
[07:07] <garandil> make the 512MB partition first
[07:07] <garandil> put it in the beginning
[07:07] <garandil> Then the 100GB for /
[07:08] <garandil> then the rest for /home
[07:08] <ObrienDave> going for /root?
[07:08] <garandil> the first partition is /boot
[07:08] <ObrienDave> right doh ;P
[07:08] <zacwalls> what can i do with a cd-r
[07:08] <garandil> ObrienDave, more coffee ;)
[07:08] <ObrienDave> well, i had the oot correct ;P
[07:09] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, nothing
[07:09] <Marvin_1> Aside from /boot, the other 2 should be ext4?
[07:09] <ObrienDave> YES ;P
[07:09] <garandil> Marvin_1, correct
[07:09] <Marvin_1> Where does the swap generally fit in with the order?
[07:09] <zacwalls> can i fix my usb somehow?
[07:09] <ObrienDave> last
[07:09] <garandil> Marvin_1, in the end
[07:09] <garandil> But with 12GB of RAM you dont need swap
[07:09] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, probably not
[07:10] <Marvin_1> Yeah, was just wondering
[07:10] <zacwalls> is there another option?
[07:10] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, swap is recommended for 6GB or less
[07:11] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, do you have a micro SD and a USB card reader?
[07:11] <zacwalls> no
[07:11] <Marvin_1> Everything created, installer still not picking it up
[07:12] <garandil> quick one... on the USB stick you are using Marvin_1 , did you have debian there before?
[07:12] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, post a pic of your gparted for that drive please
[07:12] <zacwalls> i meant with the usb... is there another option there?
[07:13] <Marvin_1> zacwalls, I HAD debian on the drive but did a full format of it to get rid of it since dd breaks my flash drive and I can't write anything to it
[07:13] <Marvin_1> since then, I've installed xubuntu iso with dd
[07:13] <garandil> Did you wipe the usb drive completely before putting Xubuntu on it?
[07:13] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, can you burn ISO to DVD
[07:13] <zacwalls> me?
[07:14] <Marvin_1> Yes to both
[07:14] <zacwalls> yes
[07:14] <zacwalls> !clean install
[07:14] <garandil> Marvin_1, what ObrienDave said.. It's time to remove some storage out of the equation
[07:14] <zacwalls> no?
[07:15] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, try burning ISO to DVD and installing that way
[07:15] <ObrienDave> COFFEE brb ;P
[07:15] <Marvin_1> ObrienDave, http://i.imgur.com/t9jAMxK.png
[07:15] <zacwalls> the flash drive is all i have
[07:16] <zacwalls> can i program it somehow?
[07:18] <zacwalls> can i find out what is wrong with it?
[07:23] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, i don't see any mount points on that pic
[07:23] <Marvin_1> Can I create them in gparted?
[07:23] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, some  sticks just don't work
[07:23] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, yes
[07:24] <zacwalls> i know, this one has to though
[07:25] <Marvin_1> ObrienDave, completely my fault then, sorry. I'll try it again
[07:25] <ObrienDave> no worries
[07:26] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, all you can do is try again, different utilities, unetbootin, pendrivelinux, etc
[07:26] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, your ISO file is good
[07:27] <zacwalls> i know
[07:27] <Marvin_1> first google search says you can't do it in gparted, you need to edit /etc/fstab? But I can't if it's not installed. If there is a way, please teach me senpai >.<
[07:29] <zacwalls> "damn small linux" ha
[07:30] <Marvin_1> CD finished, booting up
[07:32] <ObrienDave> garandil, still here?
[07:32] <garandil> Sorry, had to tend to the puppy
[07:32] <ObrienDave> np
[07:34] <ObrienDave> i assume mount points are going to be /boot / /home
[07:34] <garandil> ObrienDave, that was the plan
[07:34] <ObrienDave> cool, gparted wont do mount points
[07:35] <Marvin_1> So, got to the same screen which only had the flash drive. Nothing showed up but the buttons weren't greyed out anymore
[07:35] <Marvin_1> I hit the 'change' button and...
[07:35] <Marvin_1> it crashed T_T
[07:35] <ObrienDave> i don't get it
[07:35] <garandil> this is strange..
[07:35] <Marvin_1> Does the SATA type matter?
[07:36] <ObrienDave> i wouldnt think so
[07:36] <garandil> do you have it in ACHI ?
[07:36] <zacwalls> Ubuntu is debian  correct? and it is stable net install?
[07:36] <Marvin_1> uh
[07:36] <Marvin_1> I had it in RAID the first time, then I switched it to
[07:36] <Marvin_1> I think IDE
[07:36] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, you can try the minimal ISO
[07:37] <ObrienDave> maybe BIOS still thinks it's in RAID mode
[07:37] <Marvin_1> didn't work so I tried the mini.iso and when that didn't work, I ran over here to the IRC
[07:37] <zacwalls> i thought that had no gui?
[07:37] <garandil> starts to look like it
[07:37] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, only the installer is no GUI
[07:39] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, get to BIOS, this sounds like a secure/fast boot, UEFI issue
[07:39] <zacwalls> how do i use unetbootin ????????????
[07:39] <Marvin_1> I just got there and left T_T
[07:40] <Marvin_1> I switched it to ACHI from IDE
[07:40] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, ok, try it
[07:40] <Marvin_1> I thought unetbootin wasn't recommended?
[07:40] <garandil> zacwalls, not to be rude, but at this point you should look for information on the web
[07:40] <Marvin_1> Something with messing up boot stuff?
[07:40] <garandil> Unetbootin is documented well
[07:40] <zacwalls> i got it running anyway nvm
[07:41] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, plug USB in, select ISO from lower right button, set persistance, burn to USB
[07:41] <Marvin_1> So aside from ubuntu-derivs, what other distros do you guys like?
[07:41] <ObrienDave> Xubuntu ;P
[07:42] <zacwalls> back track
[07:42] <zacwalls> i think
[07:42] <ObrienDave> i've tried most Debian/XFCE distros. i keep coming back to Xubuntu
[07:42] <garandil> Marvin_1, the right tool for the right job.
[07:42] <zacwalls> ooh mint
[07:42] <garandil> Xubuntu for desktop and CentOS/RHEL for servers
[07:43] <garandil> and gentoo for small systems that is supposed to just run
[07:43] <ObrienDave> never tried gentoo
[07:43] <Marvin_1> Haven't heard of RHEL
[07:43] <garandil> But that's offtopic chat
[07:44] <garandil> RedHat Enterprise Linux
[07:44] <ObrienDave> Red Hat Enterprise Linux
[07:44] <Marvin_1> So the installer crashed with the update in ACHI
[07:45] <Marvin_1> ObrienDave, you wanted me to enter BIOS?
[07:45] <ObrienDave> yea, back to IDE
[07:45] <Marvin_1> That all?
[07:45] <ObrienDave> trying to think
[07:45] <ObrienDave> smell the wood burning? ;P
[07:46] <Marvin_1> Waiting for the lightbulb moment :D
[07:46] <Marvin_1> But I seriously appreciate both of you helping me
[07:46] <ObrienDave> hoping you don't have a UEFI. can you post pic of bios screen with camera or something?
[07:47] <Marvin_1> Yeah sure, just a moment
[07:47] <Marvin_1> main page?
[07:47] <garandil> easy enough to determine.. when fixing the disk stuff.. can you use the mouse?
[07:47] <Marvin_1> no mouse
[07:47] <Marvin_1> Only keyboard
[07:48] <ObrienDave> just want to be sure it's BIOS
[07:48] <Marvin_1> ObrienDave, http://i.imgur.com/cN2rmD0.jpg
[07:49] <garandil> that is BIOS
[07:49] <ObrienDave> check this out LOL
[07:49] <ObrienDave> https://i.imgur.com/qjbtwIz.jpg
[07:50] <Marvin_1> NSA, always there
[07:50] <garandil> LOL
[07:50] <ObrienDave> definately good old AMI bios *smooch*
[07:51] <ObrienDave> ok, what is that 4th disk?
[07:51] <Marvin_1> the cd drive
[07:51] <ObrienDave> k
[07:51] <ObrienDave> oh yea, blueray ;P
[07:52] <xubuntu506> how to check ram?
[07:52] <Marvin_1> wtf
[07:52] <Marvin_1> it's blueray?
[07:52] <xubuntu506> pls help
[07:52] <xubuntu506> i am using free -m command
[07:52] <xubuntu506> so which is exactly
[07:52] <xubuntu506> ram
[07:52] <xubuntu506> the swap
[07:52] <xubuntu506> or memory?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> BD usually means blueray
[07:53] <ObrienDave> RAM means Random Access Memory
[07:54] <Marvin_1> This is a relatively old comp so I always assumed it was just named BD for no real reason. Should go get a blueray one day and test it out then
[07:54] <ObrienDave> xubuntu506, when you boot, grub has a memcheck option
[07:54] <garandil> xubuntu506, free -t
[07:54] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, that is possible. worth $2 to rent one and see
[07:55] <Marvin_1> now if only it would install T_T
[07:55] <ObrienDave> anyway, any other options for disktype in BIOS? any raid controllers to disable?
[07:56] <xubuntu506> thanx alot
[07:56] <ObrienDave> there HAS to be a reason for this
[07:56] <Marvin_1> for the controller mode?
[07:57] <ObrienDave> yea
[07:57] <Marvin_1> so uh
[07:57] <Marvin_1> that's interesting
[07:57] <Marvin_1> on bios scren
[07:57] <Marvin_1> (screen*), and the monitor crap happened
[07:57] <Marvin_1> they all just suspended
[07:58] <Marvin_1> so it's not the OS fault, that's nice to know
[07:58] <ObrienDave> thinking your video card is dying
[07:58] <Marvin_1> man, I will literally buy one tonight and have it overnight
[07:58] <Marvin_1> I am not dealing with this crap
[07:59] <ObrienDave> i cant see how but that just might be most of the problem
[08:00] <garandil> Marvin_1, is that machine still under warranty?
[08:00] <Marvin_1> I've had the stock card since I've gotten it. Worked fine
[08:00] <Marvin_1> garandil, I wish, I bought it refurbished because I'm cheap
[08:00] <ObrienDave> what card is it?
[08:00] <Marvin_1> worked for like 3-4 years, no problem
[08:01] <ObrienDave> no problems under any other OS
[08:01] <Marvin_1> I've had windows only, for the desktop
[08:02] <Marvin_1> I started with linux on my laptop (which is a mac of course >.>)
[08:02] <Marvin_1> If memory serves, it's a radeon 5670 or something like it
[08:03] <ObrienDave> what about installing windows and then trying the overwrite option for Xubuntu?
[08:03] <ObrienDave> it's a Seagate HD
[08:05] <Marvin_1> When I wiped the drive orignally, I planned to install windows first, then dual boot debian
[08:05] <Marvin_1> but for some reason I can't recall, the windows part didn't work out, so I said screw it and was gonna go full linux
[08:06] <ObrienDave> i would think about trying it again just to get the drive fixed up and then overwrite
[08:06] <ObrienDave> i'm out of ideas otherwise
[08:07] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, how's it going with the mini ISO?
[08:08] <garandil> I'm lost for ideas now..
[08:08] <ObrienDave> i see no reason for this drive issue
[08:09] <ObrienDave> what about the CMOS battery? is it new or not more that 7 years old?
[08:12] <Marvin_1> radeon 6770 is the card. As for the PC, the release date for the model is jun 2011 (I thought it was much earlier tbh) so not that old
[08:13] <garandil> hmm... smartmontools and check if the drive is healthy maybe?
[08:13] <ObrienDave> ok, from what i'm seeing the drive should start as FAT32 or NTFS
[08:15] <Marvin_1> So, side question. To remove a dd-written usb, how should I do it?
[08:16] <garandil> fdisk and delete the part
[08:16] <garandil> create new
[08:17] <Marvin_1> "GPT Table detected on [...] Use GNU Parted"
[08:18] <ObrienDave> go back to gparted, new table, msdos, new partition, NTFS, whole drive
[08:18] <Marvin_1> but then I open it on gparted and it tells me no table detected
[08:18] <Marvin_1> Alright
[08:19] <garandil> Smells like the disk might be unhealthy
[08:19] <Marvin_1> brb
[08:19] <ObrienDave> k
[08:19] <ObrienDave> i'm grasping for ideas
[08:22] <Marvin_1> Yeah, this is what messed me up last time. "Driver descriptor says the phys. block size is 2kb, but linux says .5 kb"
[08:23] <garandil> what the hell?
[08:23] <Marvin_1> It's a 16 gb flash drive and if I hit 'ignore,' then it treats it like a 4 gig drive
[08:23] <garandil> are we talking about the disk now or flashdrive?
[08:23] <ObrienDave> flash
[08:24] <garandil> use the correct bs when using dd
[08:25]  * ObrienDave knows why he never got into dd
[08:26] <ObrienDave> garandil, sorry that just sounds wrong LOL
[08:26] <garandil> hehe
[08:27] <ObrienDave> or reads wrong LOL
[08:27] <ObrienDave> dang, i am not going to stay awake for 5 more hours. grrr
[08:28] <Marvin_1> ha...ha..., I'm just stupid. It was mounted T_T
[08:28] <ObrienDave> what was?
[08:29]  * ObrienDave getting sleepy and confused ;P
[08:29] <Marvin_1> the flash drive
[08:29] <ObrienDave> k
[08:29] <ObrienDave> but at 57, i'm easily confused ;P
[08:34] <garandil> I'm out of ideas now
[08:35] <garandil> Only thing left is to check the health of the disk
[08:38] <Marvin_1> Gonna try a windows install again
[08:38] <Marvin_1> You mentioned smartmontools, but what should I use to run it?
[08:39] <Marvin_1> do they have a standalone live type of thing?
[08:39] <garandil> need to check google
[08:40] <garandil> smartctl
[08:42] <ObrienDave> http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/LiveCDs
[08:42] <garandil> it's in xubuntu's repos
[08:42] <garandil> # smartctl -a /dev/sda
[08:43] <Marvin_1> Yeah, I just realized I had the cd
[08:44] <ObrienDave> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/gsmartcontrol/download
[08:48] <Marvin_1> "overall health assessment result: passed"
[08:49] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, check out YUMI it has a boot error fixer
[08:51] <Marvin_1> garandil,ObrienDave, you want me to pastebin it, or is that good enough?
[08:51] <ObrienDave> naw, you seem like a trustworthy kind of person ;P
[08:52] <Marvin_1> d'awww, thanks
[08:52] <garandil> I trust that you are not lying about the health of your hdd ;)
[08:52] <ObrienDave> lol
[08:53] <Marvin_1> wow, this software hates me. I was about to type that's it been stuck for about 15 minutes on the same percent and as soon as I write the message
[08:53] <Marvin_1> it shoots up to 99
[08:54] <ObrienDave> hate when that happens
[08:54] <Marvin_1> The windows iso, that is
[08:55] <ObrienDave> when that's done, make sure windows boots and then we can try the Xubuntu
[09:06] <ObrienDave> going to check something out. back in a few
[09:15] <deshipu> 99 percent only makes you happy for the first 2 hours
[09:15] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, well dang, YUMI did not work for me
[09:15] <zacwalls> really
[09:16] <garandil> tried WinUSB ?
[09:17] <zacwalls> me? no
[09:17] <ObrienDave> i'm sticking to Linux apps for now
[09:18] <zacwalls> brb
[09:20] <Marvin_1> haha, right
[09:20] <Marvin_1> now I remember why I couldn't install windows
[09:20] <Marvin_1> cause the screens died
[09:21] <garandil> Marvin_1, I suggest that you unplug one screen and install with minimum config
[09:21] <Marvin_1> as in, unplug one screen, or unplug to get 1 screen?
[09:22] <garandil> unplug so you only run with one screen
[09:24] <Marvin_1> 2nd try
[09:27] <zacwalls> UNetbootin didnt work
[09:29] <zacwalls> can i try and do something to just let the system do an update straight to 14.04 no clean install?
[09:29] <garandil> there is a chance that it'll breake
[09:29] <ObrienDave> which one are you on? 12.04?
[09:29] <zacwalls> yeah
[09:31] <zacwalls> i have an option to update to 12.10
[09:31] <ObrienDave> no, don't do that
[09:31] <zacwalls> i dont want to
[09:31] <ObrienDave> you can go from 12.04 to 14.04 not from 12.10
[09:31] <zacwalls> oh how!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:32] <ObrienDave> hang on
[09:32] <zacwalls> wait...ill still have xubuntu....nvm ill change os later
[09:33] <Marvin_1> garandil, there's no wait it was that simple...but it hasn't turned off yet
[09:33] <Marvin_1> no way*
[09:34] <ObrienDave> let it sit
[09:34] <Marvin_1> I've been moving the mouse for the past like 10 minute to make sure it won't idle by itself
[09:34] <Marvin_1> the paranoia is real
[09:34] <zacwalls> ha
[09:34] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, in terminal; sudo apt-get update && dist-upgrate
[09:35] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, in terminal; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrate
[09:35] <ObrienDave> sorry
[09:35] <ObrienDave> DAMN
[09:35] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, in terminal; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:35] <Marvin_1> they should make upgrate a thing
[09:35] <ObrienDave> let that finish 100%
[09:35] <ObrienDave> Marvin_1, ;P
[09:35] <Marvin_1> it'll update and then upgrade
[09:36] <Marvin_1> GGGGGGGGGGGG
[09:36] <cfhowlett> sudo do-release-upgrade     for 12.04 > 14.04
[09:36] <Marvin_1> windows finished installing and then restarted. Xubuntu launched because of boot priority
[09:36] <Marvin_1> well
[09:36] <ObrienDave> do release upgrade is for servers, afaik
[09:37] <zacwalls> okay done
[09:37] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, false.
[09:37] <ObrienDave> sudo update-manager -d
[09:38] <zacwalls> it...was...THAT SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thanks
[09:38] <zacwalls> bye and thanks
[09:39] <ObrienDave> oh boy, he'll be back LOL
[09:40] <Marvin_1> wow, that psychic ability
[09:41] <ObrienDave> sorry cfhowlett everything i'm reading recommends do release for servers and update-manager for desktops
[09:42] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, no apology needed.  in *nix there're multiple methods to the same end
[09:42] <ObrienDave> always :)
[09:42] <cfhowlett> see that?^  no snark.  take note.
[09:43] <cfhowlett> :)
[09:43] <ObrienDave> i'm waiting for the snark ;P
[09:43] <ObrienDave> something like "see? i told you so! ;P"
[09:44] <Marvin_1> windows plz
[09:44] <Marvin_1> "moving your old files to windows.old" ...[at the end of the install]..."windows.old is corrupt"
[09:45] <ObrienDave> it's fine, we're going to overwrite everything anyway
[09:46] <Marvin_1> I wanna boot up into it once to make sure everything's ok before I go back to xubuntu's cd
[09:46] <ObrienDave> absolutely
[09:47] <Marvin_1> Any clue about the monitors then? Why having the extra 2 connected would do the weird suspend thing?
[09:48] <ObrienDave> installers are not designed to work with multiple monitors, afaik
[09:48] <Marvin_1> Even debian (fully installed) would have the same behavior
[09:49] <Marvin_1> I didn't try it with only 1 monitor, so I don't know if it would have been fixed that way either
[09:49] <knome> incorrect again... they might not handle it perfectly (all monitors should just have the same information), but they should work with installers
[09:49] <knome> ObrienDave, i would really prefer if you stopped guessing.
[09:50] <knome> if you don't know or aren't sure, don't spread wrong information
[09:50] <Marvin_1> All 3 were just clones of each other, they weren't extending, but why would that cause them to suspend after X time without being able to wake up?
[09:50] <knome> Marvin_1, nothing to do with the monitors.
[09:51] <knome> Marvin_1, i haven't been following, so sorry if i ask same questions again, but is it a desktop or a laptop with external monitors?
[09:51] <Marvin_1> desktop with 3 connected. During installs of either debian, windows, or xubuntu mini, (with all 3 connected) the monitors would go into sleep mode and be unable to wake up
[09:52] <knome> that sounds like a hardware feature... are you sure your graphics card is okay?
[09:53] <Marvin_1> I managed to install debian through ssh and eventually got teamspeak on it, to see if it dropped connection when they died. When the monitors died, the ts3 client would drop the connection but I would still be able to ssh into the desktop from my laptop
[09:53] <knome> maybe it's overheating or something, or there's a power-saving feature which kicks in a bit too promptly
[09:53] <Marvin_1> Prior to installing debian, I had windows 7 which would be fine with 3 and never have this behavior
[09:54] <Marvin_1> so I assumed it was the new OS(es?)...., until it happened in bios setup
[09:54] <knome> well it definitely doesn't have anything to do with any OS itself, since it's happening with both
[09:54] <knome> maybe something is dying in your PC
[09:55] <knome> the power supply unit might not be able to supply enough power for all the hardware, so some might be turned off because of that
[09:55] <knome> it sounds weird that the installer (or the BIOS) is doing that, but maybe there is something wrong with the PC
[09:55] <knome> is it an old one?
[09:56] <Marvin_1> <4 years
[09:56] <knome> right... hardware isn't my strongest area, but i'd say it's something wrong with that.
[09:57] <knome> you could try installing with just one monitor to check if even that works
[09:58] <Marvin_1> Yeah, that's what garandil told me to do and it seemed to work but the installation didn't work at the end for whatever the reason. But it did prevent that monitor from shutting off the whole time
[09:59] <knome> it definitely sounds like a power supply problem
[10:01] <ObrienDave> the other issue was that gparted would see his main HD but the Xubuntu installer would not
[10:01] <garandil> Smells like power issues yes
[10:02] <knome> maybe there wasn't enough power to spin the HD
[10:02] <ObrienDave> at the same time?
[10:02] <knome> that's different then.
[10:03] <ObrienDave> http://i.imgur.com/bVdRO0X.png
[10:05] <garandil> Well, reading the PCB on the HDD and actually having it going at full speed is different
[10:05] <ObrienDave> true
[10:12] <garandil> Also, going to minimum configuration and then adding in stuff might also help
[10:14] <Marvin_1> the problem with using that one was the screen shutoff and I couldn't get to the ssh part quick enough
[10:14] <Marvin_1> but hopefully if the screen problem resolved itself, I'll try it again
[10:15] <ObrienDave> did you ever have this trouble under windows with 3 monitors?
[10:15] <Marvin_1> Nope
[10:15] <Marvin_1> So it seems weird to me that it's the power source suddenly
[10:16] <Marvin_1> I never spent enough time idling in the bios for the monitors to shut off, so maybe I did have the problem but windows prevented it somehow
[10:16] <ObrienDave> then i doubt it's the supply, i suspect the Linux drivers for your card
[11:25] <JeremiS-Linux> hallo
[11:25] <JeremiS-Linux> I am on xubuntu right now
[11:25] <JeremiS-Linux> haha
[11:27] <cfhowlett> !ask
[11:27] <JeremiS-Linux> um ok
[11:27] <JeremiS-Linux> uhh
[11:27] <JeremiS-Linux> is there a way that I can make the corners of the titlebar thing to be square
[11:27] <JeremiS-Linux> and to turn off shadows behind windows/
[11:28] <cfhowlett> JeremiS-Linux, settings > appearance
[11:30] <JeremiS-Linux> where is it in there
[11:30] <JeremiS-Linux> I have it set to adwaita
[11:30] <cfhowlett> JeremiS-Linux, experiment until you find it or ask #xfce
[11:30] <brainwash> settings > window manager tweaks > last tab  to turn off shadows
[11:31] <JeremiS-Linux> ah
[11:31] <brainwash> and settings > window manager  to change the window decoration theme
[11:31] <JeremiS-Linux> I hadn't looked in there
[11:31] <JeremiS-Linux> thanks
[11:31] <cfhowlett> !cookie | brain
[11:31] <brainwash> :)
[11:32] <JeremiS-Linux> does xubuntu have workstations?
[11:32] <JeremiS-Linux> *workspaces
[11:32] <ObrienDave> yes
[11:32] <JeremiS-Linux> I used to use elementary and it had that
[11:32] <brainwash> it does, 2 by default
[11:32] <ObrienDave> 4
[11:32] <JeremiS-Linux> ok how do you switch between workstations
[11:33] <JeremiS-Linux> *workspaces
[11:33] <JeremiS-Linux> sorry
[11:33] <JeremiS-Linux> I'm kinda new
[11:33] <brainwash> you can add the workspace switcher plugin to the panel (right click panel and just add it from the list)
[11:33] <JeremiS-Linux> ok
[11:34] <brainwash> or you can right click the desktop to switch between workspaces I think
[11:34] <brainwash> or simply use the assigned keybindings
[11:34] <JeremiS-Linux> k
[11:35] <brainwash> oh, I meant middle click the desktop
[11:38] <JeremiS-Linux> ok
[11:38] <JeremiS-Linux> is there a way to remove icons in panel buttons
[11:38] <JeremiS-Linux> for your opened programs and stuff
[11:44] <JeremiS_> guys I accidentally disabled my mouse
[11:44] <JeremiS_> um
[11:44] <JeremiS_> I was in the mouse sectiona nd I thought one setting was like
[11:44] <JeremiS_> raw mouse integration so no acceleration or anything but it was disable the mouse
[11:44] <JeremiS_> uh
[11:45] <JeremiS_> how do I fix that
[11:45] <JeremiS_> I need to get back to the mouse settings using just the keyboard
[11:48] <JeremiS_> someone please help
[11:50] <xubuntu103> Hi all Xubuntu users, I have had an issue!!! I say "had" as I am reinstalling xubuntu 14.04 as we speak hoping I will not re-encounter...
[11:51] <xubuntu103> problem = after logging in I do not have any desktop other then a wallpaper.
[11:51] <JeremiS_> help now my mouse is disabled in my whole computer
[11:51] <JeremiS_> I went to my virtualbox settings and clicked on usb mice and then my mouse
[11:52] <cfhowlett> JeremiS_, reboot
[11:52] <JeremiS_> oh it's back
[11:52] <JeremiS_> I've regained control
[11:52] <JeremiS_> after forcing my virtual box to close
[11:53] <JeremiS_> I still don't have mouse control in xubuntu though
[11:53] <xubuntu103> It happend after installing xubuntu and and installing some additional software (Chromium, playonlinux and removed some apps that I did not require (Pidgin, web browser etc), nothing that should have affected the system.
[11:53] <xubuntu103> At this time I did not install any new system drivers other then try to get a wifi printer working with no luck.
[11:55] <xubuntu103> just before this issue happend I tried to change my wallpaper and it would not allow me, so I rebooted thinking the error would resolve itself which it did not, then after login I have no way to access file manager or apps etc.
[11:56] <cfhowlett> xubuntu103, launch a terminal, launch thunar filemanger
[12:12] <JeremiS_> ok I'm back
[12:12] <JeremiS_> I have fixed my mouse controlk
[14:52] <xubuntu877> hi
[14:52] <Hedgework> hi
[14:53] <xubuntu877> I have a problem with my system , I am trying to update it , but it says that I cannot connect to repository
[14:53] <xubuntu877> I tried searching on forums etc but whatever I tried didn't work
[14:54] <cfhowlett> xubuntu877, what is the output of terminal:  cat /etc/issue
[14:56] <xubuntu877> I wrote that in terminal and I got : Ubuntu 13.04 \n \l
[14:57] <cfhowlett> xubuntu877, 13.04 is end of life = no longer supported.  upgrade to 12.04 or 14.04
[14:57] <cfhowlett> !13.04
[14:58] <xubuntu877> I suspected that .... I was just hoping to be wrong since my work now gives me no time to upgrade , anyway thank you very much
[14:58] <xubuntu877> for your help
[15:00] <cfhowlett> xubuntu877, happy2help
[15:43] <Buuntu> i'm having a problem with my screen not waking after suspending (closing the lid on my laptop), any ideas on how to fix?
[15:47] <garandil> Buuntu, tried to press the power button?
[15:48] <Buuntu> garandil, huh? i mean i can get it to work but i have to press Ctrl + Alt + F1 every time and then run sudo service lightdm restart
[15:48] <Buuntu> garandil, which is a pain in the ass...
[15:49] <Buuntu> garandil, that also means that all of my applications get closed
[15:52] <Gatis> Does Xubuntu still have xfce DE?
[15:52] <Hedgework> Gatis: by default, yes, but you can install others if you like
[15:52] <cfhowlett> Gatis, xfce4
[15:53]  * Hedgework wanders off to have lunch.
[15:53] <Gatis> IN screenshots looked like Gnome 3
[15:56] <garandil> Buuntu, oh.. that's more serious
[15:58] <Buuntu> garandil, haha so any ideas? online it said to disable light locker but then it seems that i can't lock it at all (which is not the point)?
[15:59] <knome> Gatis, yes, xubuntu still has xfce.
[16:04] <garandil> Buuntu, sorry, no.. I've yet to stumble upon such issues myself
[16:06] <Buuntu> hmm, okay...  anyone else have ideas?
[16:47] <xubuntu491> good morning
[16:47] <xubuntu491> any please tell me how to download youtube videos
[16:49] <cfhowlett> !youtube
[16:50] <cfhowlett> youtube-dl would xubuntu491 or there are firefox plugins
[16:50] <xubuntu068> please tell
[16:50] <xubuntu068> how to download youtube videos
[16:51] <cfhowlett> see the above message
[17:41] <hyper_ch> howdy, has anyone seen TheSheep lately?
[17:42] <kj4> ll
[19:30] <mihailzet> rassian
[19:31] <mihailzet> russian))
[19:32] <Pici> !ru
[19:35] <hyper_ch> я хочу чтобы ты была мамой моих детей?
[19:35] <hyper_ch> s/?/!/
[19:41] <zacwalls> what is some good anti virus ware?
[19:41] <bazhang> !av | zacwalls
[19:42] <zacwalls> okay my computer is running extreemly slow ever since i updated to 14/04
[19:46] <bazhang> type top in the terminal zacwal
[19:47] <bazhang> ah he quit
[22:30] <Pcneard225> hello everyone\
[22:30] <knome> hello.
[22:31] <Pcneard225> hello welcome
[22:31] <pawel_> hi
[22:31] <Pcneard225> hows it going
[22:31] <pawel_> nothing special and u?
[22:31] <knome> Pcneard225, if you have a support question, please just ask it; general chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:39] <zacwalls> so how can i download spotify. i dodnt understand the directions at the website
[22:41] <zacwalls> every time i try to access /etc/apt/sources.list it says access denied
[22:42] <zacwalls> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[22:43] <brainwash> zacwalls: you can add the repository via GUI, see http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/install-spotify-ubuntu-14-04/
[22:43] <zacwalls> aha
[22:43] <brainwash> this way you'll get a graphical password prompt
[22:43] <zacwalls> i wanted to do it via terminal though
[22:44] <brainwash> then you have to use sudo
[22:44] <brainwash> !sudo
[22:44] <zacwalls> i tryed. it said no command fonud  /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:44] <zacwalls> tried
[22:45] <brainwash> which command?
[22:45] <zacwalls> sudo  /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:45] <zacwalls> . i thought i may give it a try considering i didnt know the command
[22:46] <brainwash> passing only the file name won't work apparently :)
[22:46] <zacwalls> yes
[22:46] <brainwash> you need to specify the text editor
[22:46] <zacwalls> so witch command do i use
[22:46] <brainwash> like nano -> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:46] <knome> no heretic commands here please.
[22:46] <brainwash> just make sure that you don't mess with this file
[22:46] <zacwalls> lol what does that mean?
[22:47] <brainwash> so, I recommend reading my link and use the graphical way of adding a new repository
[22:47] <zacwalls> isnt there one called somthing like gksu
[22:48] <brainwash> yes, for graphical apps like mousepad
[22:48] <knome> zacwalls, if you don't understand command line at all, do not force yourself to do everything with it. make yourself comfortable with the graphical UI first.
[22:48] <brainwash> gksu mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:50] <zacwalls> okay so im at mousepad what do i do next
[22:50] <knome> zacwalls, what about reading the tutorial you are following?
[22:50] <zacwalls> i dont understand it
[22:51] <knome> zacwalls, then do it the GUI way.
[22:51] <zacwalls> i am
[22:51] <zacwalls> i think
[22:53] <zacwalls> that was easyer than i thought
[22:53] <zacwalls> easer
[23:20] <GeekDude> I recently recieved a dell desktop. It has a 120gb drive, with a 119gb windows XP partition on it. I want to install xubuntu alongside XP, but I get a scary message when I go to resize the windows partition in gparted
[23:20] <bekks> GeekDude: Which "scary" message?
[23:21] <GeekDude> something along the lines of that windows may fail to boot after the operation is done
[23:21] <GeekDude> give me a second to see what it said exactly
[23:23] <GeekDude> "Moving a partition might cause your operating system to fail to boot"
[23:23] <GeekDude> "You have queued an operation to move the start sector of partion /dev/sda1. Failure to boot is most likely to occur if you move the gnu/linux partition containing /boot, or if you move the windows system partition C:"
[23:25] <bekks> GeekDude: Then you shouldnt do that, but shrink the windows partition instead of shrinking and moving ("free space before vs. free space after")
[23:26] <GeekDude> If I just run the xubuntu installer, will it figure out partitioning?
[23:36] <GeekDude> bekks?
[23:36] <GeekDude> or should I go ahead and move the 119gb partition down to the 20gb I want it at?
[23:45] <GeekDude> bekks:  it looks like the installer is smart enough to do the partitioning for me
[23:49] <bekks> GeekDude: Sounds good :)
[23:49] <GeekDude> 20gb xp with 100gb xubuntu alongside seems pretty good