[00:08] <cmaloney> skellat: That sucks.
[00:08] <cmaloney> Unfortunately we're driving down on Friday so Ubucon is likely out for us.
[00:09] <skellat> cmaloney: Yeah, people weren't even interested if we asked for travel & lodging cash to be paid out of Canonical Community Budget for them.  I would have pushed hard for that and even then bupkis.
[00:11] <skellat> I get to hone my skills for apologizing tonight during the OLF planning meeting I think.  I've been doing such a great job as an apologist on the telephone for $FederalAgency until I hit furlough.
[00:11] <cmaloney> skellat: It's a useful skill. :)
[00:12] <cmaloney> btw: is Ohio planning on having a booth at OLF?
[00:13] <skellat> cmaloney: I don't think so.  There are no free booths anymore and the cost for the booth alone is high along with how long it takes me to get to Columbus cost-wise.
[00:14] <skellat> I'd have to get money out of Canonical Community Budget for it and I don't have enough people to staff it.
[00:14] <cmaloney> skellat: Understandable
[00:14] <cmaloney> That's partly why I wanted to offer our resources
[00:14] <cmaloney> I know we're both hurting for people now that Ubuntu is no longer the cool kid in town. :)
[00:15] <skellat> For me to go down is akin to a trip from Utica to middle of the mitten
[00:16] <skellat> s/Utica/Rochester Hills/
[00:16] <cmaloney> ROchester -> Lansing. :)
[00:17] <skellat> I was thinking in terms of distance.  I've done the trip from Rochester up to Central Michigan University and back in...January 2002, I think
[00:17] <skellat> That was back during undergrad at Rochester College
[00:18] <skellat> Ashtabula to Columbus is not a fun trip
[00:19] <skellat> cmaloney: I need to go take care of some things but I'll wing you an e-mail after the OLF planning meeting tonight
[00:19] <cmaloney> sounds good. Take care and TTYL!
[14:19] <PhillyMelt02> Good morning
[14:22] <cmaloney> Hello
[14:24] <PhillyMelt02> how  are you today?
[14:25] <PhillyMelt02> brb, diaper duty...
[14:25] <cmaloney> Enjoy. :)
[14:25] <cmaloney> Having a less diaper-filled day so far.
[14:29] <PhillyMelt02> Back.  That wasn't too bad.
[14:29] <PhillyMelt02> I was wondering if any knows of a linux expo held in michigan?
[14:29] <PhillyMelt02> I used to live in Los Angeles and attended SCALE
[14:30] <PhillyMelt02> Was wondering if anything like that existed here?
[14:55] <cmaloney> PhillyMelt02: Closest would be Ohio Linuxfest which is a regional conference.
[14:55] <cmaloney> http://ohiolinux.org
[14:55] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ielN4 - Ohio LinuxFest 2014 - The Future of Free | Free and Open Software Conference and Expo - Columbus, Ohio - October 24-26, 2014
[15:02] <PhillyMelt02> Thanks.  I'll have to check it out.  Was hoping one would be a little closer to home but it is doable.
[15:03] <cmaloney> We do have a local Linux / UNIX users group in the area as well
[15:03] <cmaloney> http://mug.org
[15:03] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/XzBZ0f - Michigan!/usr/group | mug.org – A Michigan-based Linux and UNIX Free and Open Source Community
[15:03] <cmaloney> August meeting is tomorrow night
[15:05] <jrwren> PhillyMelt02: could you describe SCALE?
[15:06] <PhillyMelt02> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org
[15:06] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/IaJ5tP - SCALE 12x
[15:06] <PhillyMelt02> It was a multi-day event with exhibitors and speakers covering a wide range of topics.
[15:07] <jrwren> penguicon!
[15:08] <PhillyMelt02> SCALE was cool because you were free to attend the sessions/speakers you wanted without too much hassle.  No additional fees/registration required.
[15:08] <jrwren> sounds like you should start one here.
[15:10] <PhillyMelt02> From what I saw at SCALE it takes a monumental effort of many dedicated people.  I unfortunately don't have the time to take on something that ambitious.
[15:15] <cmaloney> Yeah, apparently MUG tried one back in the old days
[15:15] <cmaloney> It is still spoken of in hushed tones.
[15:16] <cmaloney> and regarded as a "we won't be doing that again"
[15:16] <cmaloney> event
[15:18] <PhillyMelt02> That is too bad.  Hopefully MUG may change its mind in the future.
[15:23] <cmaloney> This is a long, long time ago. Back when big iron roamed the earth
[15:24] <cmaloney> I'm one of the current MUG board members as well.
[15:35] <PhillyMelt02> Cool.  Thank you for volunteering your time.
[15:36] <jrwren> Mug has been around for a long time. I think MUG tried it in the mid 90s
[15:36] <jrwren> MUG has evolved nicely too. I remember around '00 they really were a unix group wiht not much linux focus. Lots of SCO people there.
[15:37] <cmaloney> jrwren: Funny enough they're cleaning out one of the storage closets at work. They unearthed a SCO box
[15:37] <cmaloney> I asked if I could take it to the shooting range.
[15:37]  * cmaloney doesn't even normally shoot.
[15:41] <PhillyMelt02> I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the term SCO
[15:42] <cmaloney> SCO was one of the first and most successful PC-based UNIX distributions
[15:42] <jrwren> PhillyMelt02: SCO was a popular unix in the 80s and 90s. Linux ate its lunch
[15:42] <PhillyMelt02> Ahh.  I wasn't introduced to unix/linux until I attended college in 2002.
[15:42] <cmaloney> Unfortunately someone bought the name and IP and decided the best way to compete was to litigate
[15:43] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_Operation#Asset_sale
[15:43] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/MRpse - Santa Cruz Operation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[15:43] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_SCO_Group
[15:43] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/VH8mjF - SCO Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[15:44] <cmaloney> Which is sad because Caldera was pretty nice.
[15:46] <PhillyMelt02> Are the MUG meetings open to non-members?  I see there is a scheduled meeting tomorrow in Farmington Hills.
[15:46] <cmaloney> Yep. Free as in beer as well
[15:46] <jrwren> PhillyMelt02: there are literally countless user group meetings in the area.
[15:47] <cmaloney> Well, there's two major ones
[15:47] <cmaloney> MUG and MDLUG
[15:47] <jrwren> PhillyMelt02: tonight is SEMJS in Ann Arbor, even if you don't use JS much, 100ish smart people go there for meet and greet.
[15:51] <PhillyMelt02> Thank you for the invitation.  Unfortunately with my work schedule and the time to get to A2 I won't make it.
[15:51] <PhillyMelt02> I went to UM in A2 so it would be nice to get back there for a visit.
[15:51] <PhillyMelt02> Does SEMJS have regular monthly meetings?
[15:51] <jrwren> yes.
[15:51] <jrwren> see SEMJS on meetup.com
[15:52] <jrwren> Where is your work?
[15:53] <PhillyMelt02> I work from my home about 1.5 hours east of A2.
[15:53] <PhillyMelt02> I do data entry/update for an investment management firm
[15:53] <PhillyMelt02> So my work begins at 4PM when the stock market closes
[15:53] <jrwren> ah. There are many detroit area groups.
[15:54] <jrwren> http://www.meetup.com/cities/us/mi/detroit/tech/
[15:54] <jrwren> Mobile Monday and Detroit Craftsman Build are particularlly good AFAIK
[15:55] <jrwren> oh, and API Craft - they meet Thursday
[15:56] <PhillyMelt02> Thanks for all the info.
[15:56] <PhillyMelt02> I have been wanted to get involved for awhile.
[19:11] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[19:11] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Вторжение by Invisible Devastation on ID EP
[19:21] <brousch> cmaloney: I think I need to study defense or opening moves next. I feel like I'm flopping around blindly with those
[19:21] <cmaloney> brousch: You too? :)
[19:21] <cmaloney> This is definietly a game that rewards patience.
[19:22] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_opening_theory
[19:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/M0yuvR - Go opening theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[20:48] <cmaloney> Well, driving home was fun
[21:05] <brousch> did you try it with your eyes closed?
[21:44] <greg-g> back in 'merica
[23:28] <cmaloney> brousch: No, but we drove in this wet mess down to Dearborn
[23:28] <cmaloney> many flooded roads
[23:30] <brousch> How does a wet mess compare to a hot mess?
[23:34] <cmaloney> a wet mess has a lot more cleanup
[23:58] <greg-g> Robin Williams died :(
[23:58] <greg-g> I found out because I just got a text from a coworker "Cluster is having load issues, mostly under control"
[23:58] <greg-g> got online to learn it was due to his death (and the resulting spike in usage on WP)
[23:58] <greg-g> same thing happened for Michael Jackson