[00:02] <skellat> wx KCMH
[00:02]  * skellat slaps jenni
[00:03] <jrgifford> I shrug.
[02:39] <skellat> Yes, we will not be presenting UbuCon at OLF 2014
[02:40] <skellat> Yes, I just found out that there is shockingly no Ubuntu-related content even proposed for presentation at OLF 2014
[02:40] <skellat> I will be writing more about this later on Monday
[13:07] <belkinsa> It's a shame that the USA LoCo's are dieing or dead.
[13:07] <belkinsa> Sigh.
[14:01] <yano> aww
[14:07] <belkinsa> Though I might try something in a few weeks once school starts.
[16:02] <dzho> LoCo was always an awkward fit for the US, seems to me, since a lot of the focus of the effort originally was localization, and localization for the big English-speaking countries, while still a necessary job, isn't nearly so big a job relative to population size as it might be for less-commonly used languages.
[16:03]  * dzho wonders about a compare-contrast with locos in .ca, .uk, .au, .nz, .za, .sg . . . 
[16:03] <belkinsa> Well, what I think what the English-speaking ones are meant for is to socialize and see what others are doing.  But it seems not.
[16:03] <belkinsa> dzho, that would be wrothwhile do that.
[16:03] <dzho> my hope was that it would form as an umbrella 501(c)3 but that hope was dashed early on.
[16:04] <dzho> local FLOSS/LUGs still sort of struggle along with out much organizational support at all.
[16:05] <dzho> I think there's a perception, perhaps a subconscious one even, that the corporate calvary had arrived and that Everything Would Be OK Now with regard to Linux/FLOSS support and promotion.
[16:06] <dzho> and I really don't think that's true.  FLOSS/Linux is still way outgunned in terms of promotion and support and organization.
[16:07] <dzho> it's a different facet of tragedy-of-the-commons from what's happened with eg OpenSSL
[16:11] <thafreak> I dunno...I keep using ubunt
[16:11] <thafreak> but I don't feel like talking about ubuntu
[16:11] <dzho> belkinsa: And while I think that's true, one might read that as me "blaming" Canonical or something, but that's not how I see it.  I think Canonical is in the same tough situation Microsoft is in, with the move of consumer devices from desktop+laptop to phone+tablet
[16:11] <belkinsa> It's starting to happen to me too...
[16:11] <thafreak> Every time i go to a meetup, people just want to talk about deskop choices and talk about how they like this UI or hate that one
[16:12] <dzho> thafreak: yeah, I've never been that intense about Ubuntu as such, but that seems to have been what the whole structure of the LoCo wanted from us.
[16:12] <thafreak> everyone seems focused on the desktop though
[16:12] <dzho> thafreak: everyone
[16:12] <dzho> ?
[16:12] <dzho> you mean, everyone in LoCos?
[16:12] <thafreak> I've not been to a meeting where people talked about juju or MAAS or anything cool
[16:12] <dzho> ah
[16:13] <thafreak> yeah sorry
[16:13] <thafreak> So I stopped going to things...I now focus on groups like devops meetings
[16:13] <thafreak> where they're not necessarily ubuntu people, but atleast they don't talk about desktops all day
[16:13] <dzho> thafreak: devopscle?
[16:13] <dzho> any others?
[16:14] <thafreak> And I'm only really an ubuntu user because debian propper tends to not work for me
[16:14] <thafreak> yeah, devopscle
[16:14] <thafreak> I'm also trying to make it to more programming meetups too
[16:15] <thafreak> I was just setting up a new VM to use as sort of the place where I ssh to from anywhere
[16:15] <thafreak> where I write code, run tmux, irssi, all the stuff from
[16:15] <thafreak> Went with jessie initially...ended up re-installing and going with trusty
[16:16] <thafreak> I use NFS for my home dir, jessie was hanging on reboot
[16:16] <thafreak> I spent a few hours trying to figure out what was wrong, then got pissed and re-installed trusty
[16:16] <thafreak> I just wanted things to work as expected
[16:17] <thafreak> Now, it was a minor problem, everything else worked fine...and I don't really reboot the machine ever
[16:17] <thafreak> but still
[16:17] <thafreak> I didn't like that it would hang indefinitely on reboot
[16:17] <thafreak> also, it hung for like a minute on boot "populating /dev"...trusty didn't
[16:18] <thafreak> but, that's where I come from...loco's don't really suite me. I don't tend to meet people who use NFS for their home dir :)
[20:12] <Unit193> skellat: Re; Email.  Care to take?   I believe you know more of the possible speakers than I did.
[20:16] <cyberanger> possible speakers...
[20:17] <Unit193> Yeah, they'd like a list of speakers/presentations that we were able to come up with.
[20:20] <cyberanger> skellat: and I should be on that list afaik
[20:21] <Unit193> Great!
[22:05] <skellat> Job opening in Cleveland if anybody is interested: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/377860200
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[23:15] <PCLine_> Hello everyone.