[08:11] <SamwiseGamgee> I just got banned from two channels, does that mean I can never go back to them?
[08:11] <ikonia> it means you can't use them until you start using them properly
[08:12] <ikonia> based on your experiences in ##windows and ##hardware where you have also been muted/removed before it seems you either a.) have trouble using IRC channels b.) are intentionally trying to miss-use them
[08:12] <ikonia> either way are not really useful to the other users of the channel, hence why you where removed from the channels
[08:13] <SamwiseGamgee> are the bans permanent?
[08:13] <ikonia> again listening to what's ben said to you is one of the problems
[08:13] <ikonia> 09:11 <+ikonia> it means you can't use them until you start using them properly
[08:14] <SamwiseGamgee> I have been reading the guidelines
[08:14] <ikonia> there is zero desire to keep you out of a channel
[08:14] <ikonia> what guidelines ?
[08:14] <SamwiseGamgee> zero desire to keep me out, that sounds good
[08:15] <SamwiseGamgee> zero desire to keep me in would be bad, I think
[08:15] <SamwiseGamgee> I got sent a link to the guidelines and I read them
[08:15] <ikonia> where did you get sent a linnk ?
[08:15] <ikonia> which link
[08:15] <ikonia> from whom ?
[08:15] <SamwiseGamgee> I have been carefully following the guidelines, hence my surprise
[08:15] <SamwiseGamgee> ops
[08:15] <ikonia> which ops ?
[08:15] <ikonia> when ?
[08:16] <SamwiseGamgee> they helped me link up to the freenode guidelines, I read them
[08:16] <SamwiseGamgee> I printed them out, too
[08:16] <ikonia> who/where/when ?
[08:16] <SamwiseGamgee> I will check my journal
[08:17] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't have a hard copy
[08:17] <ikonia> hard copy of what ?
[08:17] <SamwiseGamgee> I keep a journal of everythinig that goes wrong in IRC freenode
[08:17] <SamwiseGamgee> I even sent an email to the council
[08:17] <ikonia> what council ?
[08:17] <SamwiseGamgee> after the last incident
[08:18] <SamwiseGamgee> irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:18] <ikonia> ok - so we are talking about ubuntu here
[08:18] <ikonia> what last incident ? what happened ?
[08:18] <ikonia> (I'm trying to understand what's happened before)
[08:18] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, there was an incident with cfhowlett
[08:18] <SamwiseGamgee> It was upsetting for me
[08:18] <SamwiseGamgee> I talked to ops about it
[08:19] <SamwiseGamgee> then I sent an email to the council
[08:19] <ikonia> I see
[08:19] <SamwiseGamgee> that should be in my journal, too
[08:19] <ikonia> ok, so you have read the guidelines on how to use the ubuntu IRC channels then and you're aware of them
[08:19] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, I talked to a council member about it, too
[08:19] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[08:20] <ikonia> the problem we have is you don't appear to be able to interact with others/take help from other people
[08:20] <ikonia> it's counter productive to the channel
[08:20] <SamwiseGamgee> I disagree
[08:20] <ikonia> as you just ask the same questions over and over when people are givig you solutions
[08:20] <SamwiseGamgee> I have been copying their advice into Abiword and Libre Office
[08:20] <ikonia> you also find every single reason not to be able to provide information back to the people trying to help you
[08:20] <ikonia> which makes it impossible to actually provide you with help
[08:20] <ikonia> you then go onto discussing how much better windows is for you
[08:20] <SamwiseGamgee> and reviewing their advice and following it, and it is working
[08:20] <ikonia> which is fine - you're more than welcome to use windows
[08:21] <SamwiseGamgee> that's how I got Libre Office working
[08:21] <SamwiseGamgee> My Xubuntu OS is working, because of the help I am getting from IRC freenode in your channels
[08:22] <ikonia> that's not the impression you give
[08:22] <ikonia> you pretty much say nothing works
[08:22] <SamwiseGamgee> today was bad
[08:22] <ikonia> printing doesn't work, gimp doesn't work, you can't sign up to websites, libreoffice doesn't work
[08:22] <SamwiseGamgee> Librre office is working
[08:23] <SamwiseGamgee> and I am upset that I was banned
[08:23] <ikonia> I understand that, and I'm sorry your upset
[08:23] <ikonia>  but at the same time you can't continue to use the channel as you are doing
[08:23] <ikonia> it's frustrating multiple users and ruining their experience
[08:23] <SamwiseGamgee> how do I fix the problem?
[08:23] <ikonia> try to actually work with people to resolve an issue
[08:23] <ikonia> listen to what they say and answer the questions
[08:24] <ikonia> rather than responding of how much easier it is in windows
[08:24] <ikonia> or $other random app doesn't work
[08:24] <SamwiseGamgee> ironically, I do that, but it is a slow process
[08:24] <ikonia> it's not ironic
[08:24] <SamwiseGamgee> I spend a great deal of time reviewing their answers
[08:24] <SamwiseGamgee> but most of that work is done after I exit IRC
[08:25] <SamwiseGamgee> when I am on IRC, most of my time is spent information gathering
[08:25] <ikonia> you don't appear to do that
[08:25] <ikonia> you appear to ignore what people are saying to you
[08:25] <ikonia> (sorry my connection dropped)
[08:25] <ikonia> that doesn't work
[08:25] <ikonia> as people need to interact with you
[08:25] <SamwiseGamgee> and I often get frustrated with the information they give me, becfause I cannot apply it immediately
[08:26] <ikonia> so you ignore it/complain about it because you can't apply it
[08:26] <ikonia> that's not really their problem
[08:26] <ikonia> you are asking for help - they give you help, you get frustrated with them
[08:26] <ikonia> it's not really fair on them
[08:26] <SamwiseGamgee> I have printed over a hundred pages of their IRC responses and I hightlighted in bold the mmost important answers they give me
[08:26] <ikonia> again that doens't really work
[08:27] <ikonia> IRC is interactive you need to be able to respond to peoples questions
[08:27] <ikonia> not use meta discussion
[08:27] <SamwiseGamgee> I am sorry but I am not good at communicating
[08:27] <ikonia> without being rude, you are at a very low level of experience with linux (which is fine) which limits your ability to work with IRC details "offline"
[08:27] <ikonia> for people to be able to help you they need to be able to ask you for information and you respond with the answer
[08:27] <SamwiseGamgee> but it is much easier for me offline
[08:28] <ikonia> it's not for other people
[08:28] <ikonia> as they can't give you good advice
[08:28] <ikonia> and you can't respond to their requests for information
[08:28] <ikonia> you may want to try using the ubuntu forums
[08:28] <ikonia> that may work better for you
[08:28] <ikonia> as that is "ask a question" and review the response later
[08:28] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, so my ban is permanant?
[08:28] <ikonia> no
[08:28] <ikonia> again listen to what's being said
[08:29] <ikonia> this is half the problem
[08:29] <ikonia> I've already said 2 times "no"
[08:29] <SamwiseGamgee> that is good, may be there is some hope
[08:29] <ikonia> not if you continue to ignore what's being said to you like this
[08:29] <ikonia> do you have an account on the ubuntu forums ?
[08:30] <SamwiseGamgee> My responses are slow, but I am spending a great deal of time to understand their responses
[08:30] <ikonia> you're responses are not slow
[08:30] <ikonia> they are non-existant or evasive
[08:30] <SamwiseGamgee> I am certainly not ignoring their questions
[08:30] <ikonia> do you have an account on the ubuntu forums ?
[08:31] <SamwiseGamgee> I thought were were in the ubuntu forums now
[08:31] <ikonia> no, this is an IRC channel
[08:31] <SamwiseGamgee> I have used the ubuntu forums before, sory
[08:31] <ikonia> no problem
[08:31] <ikonia> I'd suggest you try to use the ubuntu forums again as that is a better "offline" support service
[08:32] <SamwiseGamgee> but last time I tried to get back in I had a problem with my password and login info
[08:32] <ikonia> IRC expects interaction
[08:32] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, the ubuntu forums are good
[08:32] <ikonia> ok, so it may be better trying to use that
[08:32] <ikonia> rather than IRC
[08:32] <SamwiseGamgee> that makes sense, they will give me more time to respond
[08:32] <ikonia> IRC doesn't appear to be working out well for you
[08:33] <SamwiseGamgee> some channels have been very helpful
[08:33] <ikonia> this confuses me
[08:33] <SamwiseGamgee> I successfully installed a lot of stuff onto my PC running xubuntu
[08:33] <SamwiseGamgee> and it is working pretty well now
[08:33] <ikonia> you seem to know what IRC is and different channels
[08:33] <ikonia> yet you just asked "is this not ubuntu forums"
[08:33] <ikonia> it's not worked well to be honest
[08:34] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry, I forgot, because these channels seem like all live forums of discussion to me
[08:34] <ikonia> you've disrupted #ubuntu and #xubuntu - you've had problems in other channels such as ##windows and ##hardware where you've been muted/removed
[08:34] <ikonia> so I don't think it's "working well" to be honest
[08:34] <SamwiseGamgee> Also, I am impressed by the level of knowledge of the ops in these channels, they know so much
[08:34] <ikonia> hence why the forums may be a better fit for you
[08:34] <ikonia> I suggest trying the forums for a while, give it a week or so and see if that works out for you
[08:35] <SamwiseGamgee> I like the idea of returning to the forums, but IRC has saved me a huge amount of time and money
[08:35] <bazhang> forums are free
[08:35] <ikonia> it's ruining other peoples experience though
[08:35] <SamwiseGamgee> If not for IRC, I would have had to spend hundreds of dollars on Windows software
[08:35] <ikonia> you cannot continue to use the IRC channels as an "offline" resource as you are doing
[08:36] <SamwiseGamgee> no, it's an online resource, why do you say offline?
[08:36] <ikonia> the forums will suit your offline style much better
[08:36] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: because you ask questions - then take it away to process offline
[08:36] <ikonia> that doesn't work, people need to interact
[08:36] <ikonia> the forum however you can ask questions then come back to it later
[08:36] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, that makes sense
[08:37] <SamwiseGamgee> What if I go back to the forums and use that, then only come on IRC if I can't get the info I need from the forums, or if my problem is more time sensitive?
[08:37] <ikonia> no
[08:37] <ikonia> it's not a fall back like that
[08:37] <ikonia> if you continue to use IRC as you are doing - it will not work
[08:38] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, that is really bad
[08:38] <SamwiseGamgee> So, you banned me because I was complaining too much?
[08:38] <ikonia> if you are in a position to be able to interact with people, eg: give them information when they ask for it, and actually give them the information they want rather than a discussion about how much better windows is, that will work
[08:38] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: sorry, I'm not prepared to discuss this any more
[08:38] <ikonia> I've just spent 25 minutes explaining why you are banned and why you are struggling to use the channels
[08:38] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, I'll talk to the council again
[08:39] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for trying to help me
[08:39] <ikonia> you then ask if it's something totally different
[08:39] <SamwiseGamgee> I'll read the guidelines again
[08:39] <ikonia> that's not going to help
[08:39] <SamwiseGamgee> may be that will help
[08:39] <ikonia> this isn't a "policy" issue
[08:39] <SamwiseGamgee> I have a better solution
[08:39] <SamwiseGamgee> I can prepare better before I go on the channels
[08:40] <ikonia> it's you using IRC in a method that doesn't work for the majority of people using the channels
[08:40] <SamwiseGamgee> try to anticipate their answers before I ask them
[08:40] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: no - it's not an offline resouce
[08:40] <SamwiseGamgee> no, online, not affline
[08:40] <ikonia> I think you would be better to use the forums
[08:40] <SamwiseGamgee> I like the forums
[08:40] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you can't prepare to respond to questions, you don't know what will be asked
[08:41] <SamwiseGamgee> but I also like IRC, it provides faster information than the forums
[08:41] <ikonia> that is "offline" as you are preparing to communicate non-interactively
[08:41] <SamwiseGamgee> but you told me it is important to respond to their questions
[08:41] <SamwiseGamgee> what else can I do, I am trying really hard
[08:41] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: yes, but you don't know what they will ask ?
[08:41] <ikonia> you're meant to respond with real/valid information
[08:41] <SamwiseGamgee> sometimes I do know
[08:41] <ikonia> not guess at what people will ask
[08:42] <ikonia> sorry SamwiseGamgee I don't think this will work out as a medium for you
[08:42] <SamwiseGamgee> and what I do is write my own reoport, then print it out in anticipattion of their anawsers
[08:42] <ikonia> no
[08:42] <ikonia> sorry
[08:42] <SamwiseGamgee> that forces me to solve my own problems, too
[08:42] <SamwiseGamgee> You are being inflexible
[08:42] <ikonia> I'm not
[08:43] <ikonia> I think it best to leave it there
[08:43] <SamwiseGamgee> why are you being so uncooperative?  Do you want to help0 me, or just punish me?
[08:43] <ikonia> you're welcome back any time to discuss this more
[08:43] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: I want to help you, thats why I spent time with you in #ubuntu and that's why I suggested the forums
[08:43] <SamwiseGamgee> not if I amm banned
[08:44] <ikonia> you're not banned from this channel
[08:44] <SamwiseGamgee> I think I understand.  You do not like me in your channel
[08:44] <ikonia> no
[08:44] <ikonia> again - 1 final time
[08:44] <ikonia> your expectations of how to use IRC does not fit with the majority of people
[08:44] <SamwiseGamgee> and you believe there is no possible way to redeem ,myself, ritght?
[08:44] <ikonia> it ruins their experience
[08:45] <ikonia> so unless you can actually use IRC inline with how the other users use it, it will not work as a medium for you
[08:45] <ikonia> the forums should work better based on how you like to work
[08:45] <SamwiseGamgee> you are rigth about the forums
[08:45] <SamwiseGamgee> but you are certainly wrong if you think I am incorrigible
[08:45] <ikonia> no-one said that
[08:45] <ikonia> again this is a key issue
[08:45] <ikonia> you just don't listen to what's been said to you
[08:46] <SamwiseGamgee> I listened to you now
[08:46] <SamwiseGamgee> why do you think I am so incorrigible?
[08:46] <ikonia> have a think about it and you're welcome back to discuss it any time
[08:46] <ikonia> but I think it best to digest what's been said (take it offline if you feel it easier to read)
[08:46] <ikonia> no-one said you where incorrigible
[08:46] <ikonia> please don't just randomly make things up
[08:47] <SamwiseGamgee> sounds like you are talking to a foolish child
[08:47] <ikonia> I have no idea who I'm talking to
[08:47] <ikonia> you're just a random nickname on the internet
[08:48] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, expendable and incorrigible, like a child
[08:48] <ikonia> either way, have a think
[08:48] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[08:48] <ikonia> welcome back to discuss after you've had a think about it
[08:48] <SamwiseGamgee> I hope you think about what I said, about hope and redemption
[08:48] <ikonia> there is nothing to redeem
[08:48] <SamwiseGamgee> even a chilid can redeem himself
[08:48] <ikonia> there is nothing to redeem
[08:49] <SamwiseGamgee> I can learn
[08:49] <ikonia> either a.) use IRC inline with how others expect you to so you can participate b.) use the forums
[08:49] <SamwiseGamgee> I can change, I am a human being
[08:49] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[08:49] <ikonia> bye
[08:49] <SamwiseGamgee> goodbye
[08:50] <ikonia> the /part command will exit the channel for you
[08:50] <ikonia> (if you didn't know)
[08:50] <SamwiseGamgee> how ling will the ban last?
[08:50] <ikonia> you've not listened to a word
[08:50] <SamwiseGamgee> I will use the forums
[08:50] <ikonia> grat
[08:50] <ikonia> great
[08:51] <SamwiseGamgee> but I want to return to the channels at some point int he furture?
[08:51] <SamwiseGamgee> how long will it take, days, weeks, months, years?
[08:51] <ikonia> then a.) use the channels inline with how others expect eg: interactively b.) use the forums
[08:51] <ikonia> it's up to you
[08:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, I will come back next week and see if IRC channels still work
[08:52] <ikonia> they will not work
[08:52] <ikonia> as the ban is still in place
[08:52] <ikonia> the ban will not just dissapear
[08:52] <SamwiseGamgee> what about two months from now?
[08:52] <ikonia> you have to change your expecation of how how IRC works
[08:52] <ikonia> ...this is a waste of time
[08:52] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, at least I trieed, it was worth a shot
[08:52] <ikonia> no
[08:53] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for trying to help me
[08:53] <ikonia> think about what's been said (read it offline if you need to)
[08:53] <SamwiseGamgee> We both gave it a shot, and we failed, I guess
[08:53] <ikonia> you can come back anytime once you grasp how IRC works
[08:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, I'll read the guidelsines again, too
[08:53] <ikonia> and you'll be welcome back into the channels
[08:53] <ikonia> no
[08:53] <ikonia> this is nothing to do with the guidlines
[08:53] <ikonia> I've said this 2 times now
[08:53] <ikonia> I'm really sorry - but I can only assume you are trying to waste my time
[08:54] <ikonia> so I will not discuss this any more
[08:54] <SamwiseGamgee> good night
[08:54] <ikonia> please /part the channel
[08:54] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[08:55] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops SamwiseGamge
[08:56] <ikonia> great, he's just joined #ubuntuforums
[08:57] <bazhang> ikonia, that was a *lot* like the old lars_
[08:57] <ikonia> I want to believe he's just not getting it
[08:57] <ikonia> I'm sure there is also a bit of a language gap
[08:58] <bazhang> he's hitting up #u , #x and more
[08:58] <ikonia> but if he knows incorrigible - I suspect his english is fine
[08:58] <bazhang> just saying the MO is nearly identical
[08:59] <ikonia> yes
[09:19] <Calinou> hi, can I get my bans reconsidered please?
[09:19] <Calinou> I don't consider joining the channels much again, but in case I do… I'd appreciate not being on ban lists too
[09:19] <ikonia> nope
[09:19] <Calinou> why not? it's been about a year
[09:20] <ikonia> yes, and you still behave the same
[09:20] <Calinou> where?
[09:20] <ikonia> any channel I see you in, such as #fedora or ##linux
[09:20] <ikonia> I'm sure there are others but I don't have any to hand
[09:21] <ikonia> being blunt the channels are better as they are
[09:21] <ikonia> you have a massive ban history which should never had beened to become a massive ban history - but you chose to make it that way
[09:21] <ikonia> so I don't see a reason to change how it is now
[09:21] <Calinou> I've NEVER, EVER been in ##linux.
[09:22] <ikonia> ok, then perhaps I'm mistaken on that channel, I can dig out other exact ones if you want
[09:22] <Calinou> I've only been in #fedora a few minutes, and have been nice there.
[09:22] <ikonia> ok then lets look at it another way
[09:22] <ikonia> why should you be allowed to use #ubuntu again
[09:22] <Calinou> in case I need a support question
[09:22] <ikonia> everytime you used it you where a problem - so why should you get that access again ?
[09:22] <Calinou> I'm a #xubuntu user
[09:23] <Calinou> and I may not have the time to use forums
[09:23] <ikonia> that's not really a reason based on the fact that everytime you used it in the paste you've been a problem
[09:23] <Calinou> (where my question can just get missed)
[09:25] <ikonia> sadly - your contribution to the channels is not productive and creates problems for other users
[09:25] <ikonia> hence why you where banned
[09:25] <ikonia> so I don't see a reason to change that
[09:25] <ikonia> !apeeals | Calinou
[09:25] <ikonia> helps if I spell it right
[09:25] <ikonia> !appeals | Calinou
[09:25] <ikonia> if you follow that process, it may change
[09:25] <Calinou> it involves snail mail and signing stuff
[09:25] <Calinou> sorry, but I'm not giving my real name out
[09:25] <ikonia> but not my opinion is "no"
[09:25] <ikonia> ok, then you can't follow the process
[09:25] <ikonia> so it won't be removed
[09:26] <Calinou> ha, nvm
[09:26] <Calinou> “If you are not satisfied with the outcome of the discussion in #ubuntu-ops, you can either join #ubuntu-irc-council to speak with members of the IRC council”
[09:26] <ikonia> ok
[09:26] <Calinou> but aren't you there too?
[09:26] <ikonia> where ?
[09:26] <Calinou> so it breaks the purposeof peer review
[09:26] <Calinou> in #ubuntu-irc-council
[09:26] <ikonia> no
[09:26] <ikonia> what ?
[09:26] <ikonia> I'm not a council member at all
[09:27] <ikonia> you're also welcome to talk to another member of the operator team first as the process suggests
[09:27] <Calinou> that's what I would have done
[09:27] <ikonia> would have ?
[09:28] <Calinou> other ops are free to discuss on this issue
[09:28] <ikonia> yup
[09:28] <Calinou> but you were the first to do it :P
[09:28] <ikonia> I was just active as I was dealing with something else
[09:28] <ikonia> I've made my opinion on your ban clear
[09:28] <ikonia> so if the others disagree they can step in
[09:30] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops SamwiseGamgee now trolling #freenode and #ubuntuforums about his ban
[09:40] <SamwiseGamgee> I got permanently banned from two ubuntu channels, and I would like to appeal both bans, is there an official appeal process to appeal those bans?
[09:42] <k1l_> !appeals | SamwiseGamgee
[09:42] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[09:47] <SamwiseGamgee> I like your code of conduct, it is very wise and reasonable
[09:53] <SamwiseGamgee> But I have a problem with the log of our discussion in order to document the incident for the appeal process to the irc council
[09:54] <SamwiseGamgee>  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/11/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
[09:54] <SamwiseGamgee> see, our names are not in there, our discussion was apparently never recorded
[09:55] <DJones> Logs are updated hourly, if wait for about 10 minutes, the logs will probably have been updated
[09:55] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks
[09:56] <tsimpson> That's the wrong day, today is the 12th
[09:56] <SamwiseGamgee> I think it happened almost an hour ago
[09:56] <SamwiseGamgee> does it take over an hour to get posted on the irc log?
[09:56] <SamwiseGamgee> oh yeah, sorry
[10:13] <SamwiseGamgee> should I appeal to an ops before going to the council?
[10:14] <SamwiseGamgee> I lost the link to the ubuntu appeals process
[10:14] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[10:15] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[10:26] <SamwiseGamgee> why are there only like 10 lines in this log?    http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/12/%23ubuntu+1.txt
[10:28] <SamwiseGamgee> ikonia, what time was it when we had that long discussion?
[10:28] <SamwiseGamgee> Was it 2 hours ago?  three hours ago?
[10:30] <SamwiseGamgee> should I talk to an ops before I start the appeal process?
[10:30] <SamwiseGamgee> I already talked to the ops who banned me
[10:31] <SamwiseGamgee> I am trying to print out the appeal process on my printer
[10:31] <k1l_> SamwiseGamgee: you linked the channel #ubuntu+1 are you sure you mean that channel?
[10:31] <k1l_> SamwiseGamgee: stop that trolling!
[10:32] <SamwiseGamgee> #ubuntu is the channel
[10:49] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried discussing the bans in the #ubuntu-irc-council channel, but may be that is not for core irc channels, or it's too early in the morning?
[10:50] <SamwiseGamgee> should I just keep waiting for a response?
[10:51] <IdleOne> yes, but not in here
[10:51] <SamwiseGamgee> then where?
[10:52] <SamwiseGamgee> I see several ops in here, but they are all busy now?
[10:52] <IdleOne> in the irc-council channel
[10:53] <IdleOne> and it is very possible they are all busy or working or sleeping or having breakfast or one of a thousand other things.
[10:53] <SamwiseGamgee> It looks like there are only half a dozen ops in there, and they are quiet, not chatting
[10:53] <IdleOne> right.
[10:54] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, then I will just email them, right?
[10:54] <SamwiseGamgee> IdleOne, are you an ops?
[10:55] <IdleOne> SamwiseGamgee: wait in the -irc council channel or email them.
[10:55] <IdleOne> which ever you prefer.
[10:55] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, sorry to bother you so early in the morning
[10:56] <SamwiseGamgee> is it rude to stay in this channel too long?
[10:57] <SamwiseGamgee> is there a time limit for regular users like me?
[10:59] <valorie> it clogs up the channel, yes
[10:59] <valorie> we like to keep it open for new users-with-issues
[10:59] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, hi Valorie, nice to see you
[10:59] <valorie> hello
[10:59] <SamwiseGamgee> I got banned from two channels today
[10:59] <SamwiseGamgee> and I am going to appeal the ban
[11:00] <SamwiseGamgee> I already talked to the ops who banned me, and said they are permanent
[11:00] <valorie> sure, but you are done with this channel
[11:00] <SamwiseGamgee> therefore, I need to appeal them
[11:00] <valorie> it's time for my lunch (at a sprint), so I'm afk in a moment
[11:00] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, have a nice day, Valorie
[11:00] <IdleOne> SamwiseGamgee: You are not a regular user and you will not monopolize the time of every op in here who happens to be nice enough to answer one of your questions. You have been told about the appeals process, follow it. Now Please leave this channel.
[11:01] <valorie> this channel is not for idling while you wait for that
[11:01]  * valorie gives IdleOne a mint
[11:01] <valorie> and goes to lunch
[11:01] <IdleOne> enjoy :)
[11:58] <Pricey> @btlogin
[11:58] <Pricey> @whoami
[11:58] <Pricey> @login
[11:58] <Pricey> @whoami
[11:58] <Pricey> @btlogin
[12:01] <samuraiRM> hi
[12:01] <samuraiRM> i m sorry
[12:02] <samuraiRM> web  cam skype
[12:06] <samuraiRM> because de led of web cam is on http://postimg.org/image/le0573lrn/e83e2095/
[12:06] <samuraiRM> sorry
[12:08] <samuraiRM> ultimate step away from solving the problem
[12:08] <ikonia> samuraiRM: hey there you're not in #ubuntu, you're actually in the ubuntu-ops channel
[12:09] <ikonia> samuraiRM: I'm going to see if I can find out why, but if you know yourself that would be helpful too
[12:09] <samuraiRM> e vabbe
[12:09] <samuraiRM> thank you
[12:10] <samuraiRM> sorry
[12:10] <bazhang> ikonia, he was banned in -it
[12:10] <ikonia> looks like #xubuntu too
[12:10] <ikonia> looks like
[12:10] <bazhang> tried to work it out in -irc , but so far a no go
[12:11] <ikonia> Unit193: ping
[12:14] <ikonia> samuraiRM: just trying to get the details for #xubuntu for you
[12:17] <ikonia> samuraiRM: so it looks like you where trying to cause an issue in #xubuntu by asking for a sidebar in a photo - that didn't contain a sidebar
[12:17] <ikonia> and then using some rude language and trying to waste peoples time
[12:18] <ikonia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/11/%23xubuntu.html#t18:02
[12:19] <ikonia> that log shows you repeatedly asking for a side bar in the photo - but the photo contains no sidebar
[12:21] <ikonia> samuraiRM: does any of that seem true in your mind ?
[12:25] <ikonia> samuraiRM: I can see you're busy getting help in #ubuntu, do you want to come back later when you are done
[16:35] <Unit193> ikonia: Pong.  That one was just in need of a short discussion, but just kept popping in and out.  He's quite rude, doesn't explain more when asked or give details of any kind and just repeats the question, is crossposting, and should really just work out his ban in the -it channel.  He's been coming back several days with the same type of attitude as well.  Feel free to unban, no strong opinion on this one.
[17:21]  * rww finishes reading scrollback and offers ikonia beer
[17:33] <ikonia> rww: all cool
[17:33] <ikonia> Unit193: thanks for the heads up, he got "ok" help in #ubuntu so lets see how that goes before removing #xubuntu and let the .it guys sort out his .it ban
[17:54] <bazhang> or that
[17:54] <bazhang> that was taking a jdoles'ian turn
[17:55] <ikonia> he knows what he's doing and just wants to rant about how bad it is
[17:55] <bazhang> sure looked that way
[17:55] <DJones> ikonia: That was being dealt with, it didn't need a +q
[17:55] <ikonia> feel free to unmute him
[17:55] <ikonia> my apologies
[17:55] <DJones> Too late now
[17:55] <ikonia> it looked like it was just a continuing rant in the channel
[17:56] <DJones> I'll let you deal with the appeal
[17:56] <ikonia> I suspect he won't appeal a mute
[17:56] <ikonia> he's not responded to a pm
[17:56] <DJones> Me neither
[17:57] <bazhang> guake and screen?
[17:57] <bazhang> I thought guake was gui
[18:17] <rww> bazhang: it is. you can run screen in GUI terminal emulators...
[18:18] <bazhang> rww, that seems a bizarre usage
[18:19] <rww> I for one find terminal multiplexing very useful, regardless of what I'm using to access my system
[18:46] <IdleOne> I just got spam from elky. I now need some bread, onions and mustard.
[18:47] <IdleOne> plz2ban elky from all the channels kthx
[18:47] <elky> lololol  >IdleOne< http://www.balloons.net/images/Inflatable_Product_Replicas/big/Spam-Can.jpg
[18:48] <IdleOne> see she admits it
[18:58] <rww> she hasn't noticed yet
[18:58] <rww> she just looked at my screen because i was giggling
[18:59] <rww> she has +r so she can figure that out herself
[18:59] <rww> (i got called names for saying this)
[19:00] <phunyguy> I DON'T LIKE SPAM
[19:19] <valorie> me either, but my parents both loved it!
[19:20] <rww> elky went on reddit instead
[19:21] <phunyguy> I do like spam :(  I was quoting Monty Python
[19:22] <IdleOne> he should be here any second