[04:55] <mapps> morning all
[05:15] <knightwise> hey mapps
[05:16]  * knightwise is downloading some brilliant ambient soundscapes from youtube to fall asleep to :) 
[05:30] <mapps> aphex twin = -film
[05:30] <mapps> :P
[05:30] <mapps> best
[05:39] <ali1234> "Skrillex posted this song on FB a little while ago saying it was his favorite song."
[05:39] <ali1234> hahahahaha
[05:39] <ali1234> master troll
[05:40] <mapps> what song?:D
[05:40] <ali1234> flim
[05:40] <mapps> oh really
[05:40] <mapps> aphex twin film is amazing tho
[05:41] <ali1234> yes but skrillex fans will hate it, which is funny to me
[05:45] <mapps> i guess hes got crazy groupie type fans
[05:45] <mapps> that hang on his every word?
[05:47] <ali1234> yeah, you could say that
[08:34] <neuro> oh good, ppa is borked :(
[08:36] <SuperMatt> which ppa?
[08:49] <bigcalm> Is it me, or are the ubuntu.com servers a little unavailable this morning?
[08:49] <bigcalm> Oh and
[08:49] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:56] <dutchie> morning bigcalm and brobostigon
[08:56] <dutchie> we're having datacentre issues at work, not sure if ubuntu.com is running out of the same ones
[08:56] <dutchie> popey tweeted about an outage
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning dutchie
[08:58] <DJones> Get your tinfoil hat out, suggestions on reddit are a DoS attack http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/2dbhcz/ubuntu_archive_repos_down/ Can't see that myself, probably just popey kicked the mains lead out while hoovering his office
[08:59] <bigcalm> Sounds about right for him
[09:00] <dutchie> looks back up for me anyway
[09:01] <dutchie> can't say the same for our servers :(
[09:06] <popey> heh
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Vinyl Record Day! :-D
[09:27] <bigcalm> Does anybody experience a double paste sometimes when clicking the middle mouse button?
[09:32] <popey> i do not
[09:33] <popey> but i dont use a mouse, but touch thing
[09:33] <bigcalm> Ah, the nipple :)
[09:33] <bigcalm> It may be my mouse becoming iffy
[09:34] <bigcalm> Well, the wheel's micro switch
[09:41] <awilkins> Shift-insert usually does the same thing
[09:41] <awilkins> If you are going to paste and then type it may be quicker as well
[09:42] <bigcalm> Two different buffers
[09:42] <bigcalm> ctrl-c is separate from highlighting
[09:42] <bigcalm> Shift-insert will paste the buffer from ctrl-c
[09:43] <awilkins> Hmm, I thought it was for the select buffer
[09:43] <bigcalm> I just tested and shift-insert gave me the same result as ctrl-v
[09:43] <awilkins> Yes, it does
[09:45] <bigcalm> thethethethethethethethethethethethethethe the the the thttthethethethethethethethethethethethehehe e
[09:45] <bigcalm> Oops :)
[09:45] <awilkins> Da doo doo doo, da daa daa daa, is all I have to say to _you_.
[09:46] <popey> chris wadddle
[10:16] <foobarry> http://www.wired.com/2014/08/i-liked-everything-i-saw-on-facebook-for-two-days-heres-what-it-did-to-me/
[10:16] <foobarry> dunno why facebook can't just show me everything
[10:16] <foobarry> so i get to choose
[10:25] <popey> their argument is that your timeline would be flooded
[10:25] <popey> you wouldn't be able to keep up
[10:31] <SuperMatt> I can't keep up anyway
[10:31] <SuperMatt> I can't keep up with my own social life *outside* of facebook
[10:41] <popey> well, like twitter, i have no hope of reading every tweet in my timeline
[10:46] <SuperMatt> you just need a PA like Mr Fry to do it all for you
[10:53] <davmor2> SuperMatt: you have a social life
[10:53] <SuperMatt> I do!
[10:54] <SuperMatt> I'm actually looking forward to not doing anything on saturday
[10:56] <davmor2> SuperMatt: are you sure it's not your partners social life and you tag along ;)
[11:00] <dutchie> hmmm
[11:00] <SuperMatt> I don't have a partner
[11:00] <SuperMatt> I'm looking for one though
[11:01] <dutchie> am i misremembering or does apt save the maintainer scripts after installing them
[11:01] <SuperMatt> we're talking about dance partners, right?
[11:01] <dutchie> if so, anyone happen to know where it puts them?
[11:01] <SuperMatt> it's in the same location with .dpkg-something on the end, I think
[11:02] <dutchie> i mean the scripts themselves
[11:02] <dutchie> postinst etc
[11:02] <SuperMatt> oh
[11:03] <SuperMatt> I know they're in /var somewhere
[11:03] <dutchie> yeah, that's where i'm looking
[11:03] <dutchie> can't seem to find them anywhere
[11:04] <SuperMatt> /var/lib/dpkg
[11:04] <dutchie> aha, /info in there
[11:04] <dutchie> ty
[11:04] <SuperMatt> np
[11:04] <SuperMatt> info is a weird name for it tho
[11:08]  * bigcalm logs into parents' home server...
[11:08] <bigcalm> New release '14.04.1 LTS' available.
[11:08] <bigcalm> Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it.
[11:08] <bigcalm> \o/
[11:08] <awilkins> "Here be Dragons."
[11:09] <awilkins> "Rarr"
[11:09] <bigcalm> Quite. I'm not doing a release upgrade remotely. It can wait until I visit them next
[12:27] <ali1234> gmail removed the features where you can send from a non-gmail domain through gmail servers
[12:28] <ali1234> now you have to have a smtp server to send through
[12:28] <ali1234> so here's my question
[12:28] <ali1234> all the emails on my domain are forwards
[12:29] <ali1234> they all forward the mail to gmail
[12:29] <ali1234> the domain provider doesn't allow you to log in to the smtp server unless you create mailboxes
[12:29] <ali1234> so i made a mailbox postmaster@domain.com
[12:30] <ali1234> so then i can put postmaster's login details into gmail and send from any address @domain.com
[12:30] <ali1234> but is this going to land me in spam filters?
[14:50] <foobarry> popey: some complaints about the rudder of the toy plane thing
[14:50] <popey> yeah, i have seen some
[14:51] <foobarry> others enjoy it
[14:51] <popey> i bought 2 ☻
[14:51] <awilkins> That reminds me ; http://edtracker.org.uk/  (knight's move thinking, flight related)
[14:52] <foobarry> u can only fly 1 at time
[14:52] <awilkins> Charge one while the other flies ?
[14:54] <foobarry> looks like the kickstarters are everyone's beta testers
[14:56] <popey> i only plan to fly one at a time ☻
[14:56] <popey>  /48
[14:56] <popey> bah
[14:58] <mapps> hi all
[15:02] <mapps> anyone know if an orange locked iphone works with orange in other countries
[15:02] <mapps> like can i use an orange spain sim
[15:02] <ali1234> i dunno but i can probably find out...
[15:02] <ali1234> you might have to wait a couple of hours
[15:03] <mapps> i googled and couldnt find anything:(
[15:03] <mapps> hope it does
[15:03] <ali1234> i have contacts...
[15:03] <mapps> then i dont need to worry about unlocking:D
[15:05] <ali1234> 2nd hit on google: http://www.expatforum.com/expats/spain-expat-forum-expats-living-spain/68707-mobile-phone-sim-cards.html
[15:05] <ali1234> tl;dr it doesn't work
[15:05] <ali1234> if it's only £20 to unlock then just get it unlocked
[15:06] <ali1234> otoh this one says it should work: http://www.andalucia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=30340
[15:06] <ali1234> then someone else says it doesn't :/
[15:06] <ali1234> on balance looks like no
[15:07] <ali1234> you have to consider that orange UK is now EE, orange espana is france telecom
[15:07] <ali1234> so they're probably not related at all any more
[15:32] <mapps> ah
[15:32] <mapps> thanks
[15:32] <daftykins> hello mr.mapps
[15:33] <daftykins> afternoon all \o
[15:33] <mapps> yello
[15:33] <mapps> whats uo
[15:33] <mapps> up
[15:33] <daftykins> mmm not too much going on here, took apart my keyboard today as it was driving me spare dropping keys all the time
[15:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rpfqi4xz9nxgx5j/AACAxEkpRRGQQnM2Lruz1Sira
[15:33] <daftykins> first 5 pics
[15:35] <awilkins> At least it's easy to put the caps back on...
[15:36] <daftykins> sure is
[15:36] <daftykins> for the main body of keys anyway, the ones with the wire i didn't touch :> (thoug those were actually from a totally different day weeks ago)
[15:36] <daftykins> it was driving me spare though, i'd have to sit there pressing some keys over 5 times to get them to register once
[15:37] <daftykins> which made logging in a serious pain
[15:51] <walid> Hi everyone! Is there any method to join the homegroup network (windows) on ubuntu? I'm using 14.04
[15:51] <walid> Not samba. Didn't work for me
[16:14] <daftykins> lol homegroups.
[16:16] <mapps> heh
[16:16] <mapps> people never wait eh
[16:17] <daftykins> indeed
[16:18] <mapps> ask and then when no answer after 2mins..gone
[16:18] <mapps> D;':D
[16:33] <mapps> argh
[16:33] <mapps> i planned on going and getting some euros today but couldnt be bothered
[16:33] <mapps> tempted to order them online:)
[17:38] <shauno> people still do that?  I just use an ATM
[17:38] <Myrtti> getting money out of an ATM is more expensive than paying by card, but not all shops take cards.
[17:42] <daftykins> my hairdressers just today was cash only :>
[17:42] <daftykins> no appointments place \o/
[17:43] <popey> i dont think I've paid for a haircut ever
[17:43] <popey> maybe once or twice
[17:43] <popey> \o/ hairdressers in the family
[17:43] <daftykins> hehehe
[17:44] <daftykins> i don't go too often, what with... https://www.dropbox.com/s/xyzjbvpjsa6hlm9/IMG_20140807_050231.jpg
[17:44] <diddledan> daftykins: \o/
[17:44] <daftykins> 8D
[17:44] <diddledan> daftykins: is that the front of the back? :-p
[17:44] <diddledan> or*
[17:45] <daftykins> front hehehe, i just got it chopped back to around shoulder length though
[17:45] <diddledan> cute kitty in the corner I see
[17:45] <daftykins> :D
[17:45] <daftykins> would you like a closeup?
[17:45] <diddledan> sure
[17:46] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5gzb8cafw1n2m7/IMG_20140304_155544.jpg
[17:46] <daftykins> there's her 'helping' me type
[17:46] <diddledan> nawwww
[17:46] <diddledan> bless
[17:46] <diddledan> :-)
[17:47] <diddledan> cats are the best
[17:47] <daftykins> ;D
[17:47] <daftykins> here's video of her hating my bike gloves
[17:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/085j0m1tlkvurut/VID_20140713_024222.mp4
[17:48] <diddledan> I think my chrome is busted again - silly os x preview releases
[17:48] <daftykins> d'aww
[17:48] <mapps> cats
[17:50] <mapps> shauno,  taking money out on card costs money
[17:50] <mapps> fees and that
[17:50] <mapps> :
[17:50] <mapps> :(
[17:50] <daftykins> gotta run, fix your cat restraints, diddledan!
[17:51] <diddledan> tata
[18:02] <mapps> ;]
[18:04] <popey> wow
[18:04] <popey> i never had daftykins down as a hippie!
[18:28] <smittix> Evening all
[18:29] <diddledan> do the hippie hippie shake
[18:30] <smittix> evening diddledan
[18:30] <diddledan> allo
[18:30] <smittix> How goes?
[18:31] <diddledan> not bad ta
[18:32] <smittix> Coolio
[18:34] <diddledan> think I need to reboob
[18:34] <smittix> Think I need to sort out why my battery is going down 1% every 2 minutes
[18:34] <diddledan> ouch
[18:35] <smittix> Yeah
[18:35] <smittix> :(
[18:35] <smittix> Fresh install
[18:38] <smittix> diddledan: I think it's the Nvidia Optimus
[18:39] <smittix> Using the Nouveau driver at the minute.
[18:43] <ali1234> %1 every 2 minutes is still 200 minutes
[18:43] <ali1234> over 3 hours
[18:44] <smittix> It's going down at a faster rate now
[18:44] <smittix> All I have is a terminal window open.
[18:46] <diddledan> smittix, yeah the optimus is a pain
[18:47] <smittix> I've just installed the Nvidia driver
[18:51] <davmor2> smittix: nvidia has better battery than nouveau. but on battery unless you are playing games you might want to open nvidia settings and switch over to intel so you only use one gpu
[18:51] <davmor2> battery management that should of read
[18:53] <smittix> davmor2: Just done that :)
[18:53] <smittix> Let's see how it goes.
[18:53] <smittix> Thanks
[18:54] <smittix> It was on 100% at 7:15
[18:54] <smittix> It's now at 69%
[18:57] <diddledan> I wonder how accurate that is - my UPS is reading an input voltage of 248V
[18:59] <diddledan> which seems pretty high for a country that specs things at 240 and is supposed to have a network of 230V
[18:59] <smittix> :/
[19:00] <diddledan> europe is 220 I believe which means the old standard of 240 meant more difficult to share load between the mainland and blighty so they reduced britain's nominal to 230
[19:00] <smittix> Never knew that.
[19:00] <diddledan> everything still says 240 on it tho
[19:01] <diddledan> or sometimes 220
[19:01] <diddledan> but the nominal is supposed to be 230 so europe is below the nominal and britain is above but tolerences are close enough that they can share
[19:02] <diddledan> yey for having an engineer as a dad :-p
[19:02] <smittix> heh
[19:02] <diddledan> he started off in telly-mending so he needed to know things like the nominal input voltages
[19:03] <diddledan> those were the days when nobody owned their own telly
[19:03] <smittix> ah yes
[19:04] <diddledan> valves/vacuum tubes meant that every tv on the books likely needed a service visit every 6 months on average
[19:05] <diddledan> welcome to #broadcast-engineering :-p
[19:05] <smittix> heh
[19:05] <smittix> Well at least my WD-Mycloud works nicely
[19:05] <smittix> For the money I wasn't expecting much
[19:05] <diddledan> \o/
[19:06] <smittix> Rythmbox found all my music auto-magically :D
[19:06] <diddledan> I decided to rip the hdd out of my mybook-live (the previous generation to the mycloud)
[19:07] <smittix> Yeah I did the same to some other non-networked WD drives
[19:08] <diddledan> how on earth did I get a hair stuck between my teeth?!
[19:10] <shauno> the 230v thing is mostly imaginary
[19:13] <shauno> we used to be 240v ±6%.  now we're 230v -6% / +10%.  the voltage hasn't actually changed, just redefined so that the continent's 220 falls within tolerance
[19:16] <diddledan> don't you just love semantics?
[19:18] <shauno> it shows?  ;)
[19:19] <diddledan> ok, does anyone know what the various efi binaries are that get installed by grub-efi on trusty? namely grubx64.efi, MokManager.efi and shimx64.efi
[19:19] <diddledan> I assume grubx64 is the grub core itself
[19:20] <diddledan> so I'm wondering what the other two are
[19:20] <diddledan> I think the shimx64 is used for uefi signed booting
[19:20] <smittix> Anyone know which version of Java to use for Minecraft?
[19:20] <diddledan> smittix, 7 should be fine
[19:21] <smittix> Open or Oracle/
[19:21] <diddledan> try with openjdk first because it's opensource
[19:21] <foobarry> sometimes our datacentre vokltage goes to 208v
[19:21] <diddledan> foobarry, ouch
[19:22] <foobarry> the UPS kicks in when that happens
[19:22] <diddledan> foobarry, that's almost at brownout level, isn't it?
[19:22] <foobarry> it's because some eejits put in a power "perfecter"
[19:22] <foobarry> some voodoo about saving money by reducing voltage
[19:22] <diddledan> o_O
[19:22] <shauno> 208 is the nominal voltage for three-phase.  that's a suspicious number to land on
[19:22] <diddledan> foobarry, a commercial version of the vphase thingy?
[19:22] <foobarry> except the lifts and monitors stoped working properly
[19:23] <foobarry> i dunno what a vaphse is.
[19:23] <diddledan> http://www.vphase.co.uk/
[19:23] <foobarry> but they do it to reduce voltage
[19:23] <foobarry> and its bad for server rooms and ac
[19:23] <foobarry> ac units
[19:23] <shauno> (and lowering voltage usually won't achieve much savings - with less volts, you just draw more amps to achieve the same actual work (watts))
[19:24] <diddledan> shauno, but they're cleaner amps :-p
[19:24] <diddledan> shauno, you need to wash them first
[19:24] <SuperEngineer> Has Linus Torvalds had a tiff with BBC News - latest kernel [for 14.04] downloaded this morning via software updater - no contact with any BBC News site in Firefox, Chromium or Liferea [RSS reader]
[19:25] <diddledan> err
[19:25] <SuperEngineer> previous kernel - all ok [just checked]
[19:25] <diddledan> Linus Torvalds affects Ubuntu?
[19:25] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: apparently so
[19:25] <shauno> curious, after you checked, did you go back to the new kernel and try again?
[19:26] <diddledan> and here I was assuming it was all south african
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> yup
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> same result
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> .32 oh, .33 not ok
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> *ok
[19:26] <diddledan> ok, I'm on .32 atm
[19:27] <diddledan> I could reboob to check the new kernel but I can't be bothered :-p
[19:27] <shauno> pft.  be bothered.
[19:27]  * SuperEngineer thinks he might also be if no cure ;)
[19:27] <smittix> Which version SuperEngineer ?
[19:28] <SuperEngineer> smittix: version of what?
[19:28] <smittix> Kernel
[19:28] <davmor2> diddledan: I think you boob enough on this channel without the need to reboob
[19:29] <SuperEngineer> smittix: hang on - I'll just go get the full number
[19:30] <SuperEngineer> 3.13.0-33
[19:30] <smittix> Ah
[19:30] <SuperEngineer> [all ok on 3.13.0-32]
[19:30] <smittix> Working fine for me :)
[19:31] <SuperEngineer> smittix: that makes me feel soooo much better :D
[19:31] <smittix> heh
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> ooo - got an idea - I'll boot to ..32 first - download anything thing I want to - switch back to ...33 after
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> it would be a simple plan but just found other stuff is naffed as well [e.g facebook access in Firefox & Chromium]
[19:34] <smittix> strange
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> ...and that still works in ...32
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> strange = wtf  ;)
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> time to reject kernel methinks and go back to ...32
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> hope there weren't too many security fixes in it!
[19:36] <smittix> I have noticed I get this alot when installing things though "Unknown media type in type 'all/all'"
[19:37] <SuperEngineer> ah hah!
[19:37] <SuperEngineer> that's because you're being to specific :D
[19:37] <smittix> Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles'
[19:37] <smittix> Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms'
[19:37] <smittix> Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst'
[19:37] <smittix> Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu'
[19:37] <smittix> Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm'
[19:37] <smittix> Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt'
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> crikes!
[19:38] <smittix> No idea what all that is.
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> did that happen on .32 ?
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> or only .33 ?
[19:38] <smittix> Only .33
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> hmmmmm
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> #kernel_bug   !!!!
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> Oi - Linus!!! you get on this channel!
[19:40]  * SuperEngineer takes cover
[19:40]  * smittix hides
[19:43] <diddledan> omgzor the bbc are heralding the imminent end of the world: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27974877
[19:43] <smittix> Is that link just to tease SuperEngineer
[19:44] <diddledan> yes, yes it is :-po
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> if it is - the beeb forgot I can remove the kernel & revert to a working one!  :D
[19:44] <smittix> All hidden files are unhidden too :( even when I ctrl H it still reverts back to unhiding everything in nautilus.
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> smittix: perhaps I'm not the only one who needs to revert
[19:45] <smittix> heh
[19:46] <foobarry> anyone recommend a charger for a phone like the moto G?
[19:46] <foobarry> had some patchy experience with chargers
[19:46] <smittix> I'm an iPhone slave I'm afraid.
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> btw diddledan - I need to reboot to previous kernel to see that page - thanks for the link though :)
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> my version..  the bbc are heralding the imminent end of the .33 kernel in Ubuntu 14.04
[19:48] <smittix> ;D
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> Oh - just thought of a q/ if I reboot into .32 & remove the .33 will I get nagged to update it, will it update to .34 when it comes out if I am on .32
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> ?
[19:50]  * SuperEngineer ponders
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> now finding other faults!  to heck with it - back to .32
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> ttfn
[19:53] <smittix> well the Nvidia driver did the trick.
[19:53] <smittix> Still have 2hrs left.
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> ok! successfully back on .32 kernel - someone please reminf d me when it's updated to .34!
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> [forced to remove "linux-image-generic" as well
[20:18]  * SuperEngineer thinks - let's try that kernel on Xbuntu mini & Lubuntu netbook... watch this space
[20:22] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... working ok on Xubuntu
[20:26] <mapps> i like xubuntu
[20:27] <mapps> :D
[20:29] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, could it be related to networking and/or dns?
[20:31] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: maybe - that's Xubuntu down in the same way!
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> safe to assume I'll find the same on Lubuntu
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> really is a cock up
[20:33] <SuperEngineer> *this kernel really is a cockup
[20:39] <SuperEngineer> [or, of course, it's simply Linus proving his hatred of Ubuntu]
[20:40] <SuperEngineer> ...but how did it get into a LTS release?
[20:41] <SuperEngineer> ...  ^^  the REAL question
[20:41] <ali1234> maybe it's the same reason why half of canonical went offline this morning?
[20:42] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: whoops!
[20:42] <ali1234> i'm kinda like "meh" about updating now
[20:43] <ali1234> do you have exotic hardware?
[20:43] <SuperEngineer> perhaps we all need to give up up our full time jobs & spend more time testing for them
[20:44] <ali1234> all the flavours use the same kernel btw
[20:44] <SuperEngineer> [ /me actually used a weeks leave for testing 12.04 prior to release ]
[20:46] <SuperEngineer> ...I blame myself for takin a week off each update! - ‎I am to blame!
[20:46] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:46] <ali1234> i just use the development version
[20:47] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: I read that as "I"m alright Jack"
[20:47] <ali1234> but having switched to xubuntu there's not much point
[20:48] <ali1234> xfce releases like once every two years...
[20:48] <ali1234> the development version is pretty much the opposite of that... it breaks all the time
[20:49]  * SuperEngineer releases every single morning! no constipation here!
[20:50] <SuperEngineer> [that would look better if had appeared directly beneath your previous}  ;)
[21:16] <SuperEngineer> BREAKING NEWS: having removed  the .33 due fail in so many ways - an idea occurred to me
[21:18] <SuperEngineer> reinstalled it - only difference this time was that I also selected "linux-generic" in synaptic [noticed it was not in list last time]  - all now [so far] ok - back on .33
[21:20] <SuperEngineer> ...and minutes later- all fails again - what the hewck is going on here!?
[21:20] <SuperEngineer> [no bbc rss - no facebook - ndoesn't matter which application being used... something ain't right !
[21:21] <SuperEngineer> why work first time - then not work afeter>
[21:21] <SuperEngineer> *after
[21:22] <SuperEngineer> has the rest of the world gone as crazy as I am??
[21:24] <SuperEngineer> What has the BBC and Facebook got in common that as this update - complete fail???
[21:25] <diddledan> ipv6?
[21:25] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: now there's an idea!
[21:27] <SuperEngineer> could it be a tinternet protocol prob me wonders?
[21:27] <shauno> hm, I don't get a v6 address for bbc's feeds.  try "host feeds.bbci.co.uk"  ?
[21:32] <SuperEngineer> shauno: just tried that - google comes up with a list but none get to destination
[21:32] <diddledan> google?
[21:33] <diddledan> o_O
[21:33] <diddledan> it was a command not a search query afaict
[21:34] <SuperEngineer> feeds.bbci.co.uk is an alias for news.bbc.co.uk.edgesuite.net.
[21:34] <SuperEngineer> news.bbc.co.uk.edgesuite.net is an alias for a1733.g.akamai.net.
[21:34] <SuperEngineer> a1733.g.akamai.net has address 213.120.157.34
[21:34] <SuperEngineer> a1733.g.akamai.net has address 213.120.157.98
[21:35] <diddledan> and `traceroute 213.120.157.34`?
[21:35] <SuperEngineer> which leaves me going "que?"
[21:36] <diddledan> akamai is a CDM
[21:36] <diddledan> CDN
[21:36] <diddledan> what does the traceroute give you?
[21:36] <SuperEngineer> traceroute ain't installed! sob
[21:37] <diddledan> try tracepath then
[21:37] <SuperEngineer> thought it was part of standard network tools
[21:37] <SuperEngineer> tracepath
[21:37] <SuperEngineer> [sorry wrong screen]
[21:38] <SuperEngineer>  1?: [LOCALHOST]                                         pmtu 1500
[21:38] <SuperEngineer>  1:  api.home                                             74.786ms
[21:38] <SuperEngineer>  1:  api.home                                             90.287ms
[21:38] <SuperEngineer>  2:  esr6.reading4.broadband.bt.net                       45.829ms !H
[21:38] <SuperEngineer>      Resume: pmtu 1500
[21:39]  * popey hugs mtr
[21:39] <diddledan> ooh, I didn't know that was defaultinstalled these days
[21:46] <ali1234> so.......
[21:46] <ali1234> is it totally dead or just really slow?
[21:48] <SuperEngineer> sorry.. been watching it run - worst irs a 10% loss on one of the hops
[21:48] <SuperEngineer> irs=is
[21:49] <ali1234> could be a mtu/fragmentation issue
[21:50] <ali1234> if small packets go through but whole webpages fail, and only on certain sites, this is likely the issue
[21:50] <dogmatic69> any one notice subtle changes to mouse over the last while?
[21:52] <SuperEngineer> agreed - also lookingt some there is *massive* difference best & worst times
[21:52] <dogmatic69> right click selects on mouseup since a few weeks ago, and I have issues on reddit RES where clicking does a double click for example
[21:52] <ali1234> so looking at the diff between .32 and .33 there's only like 4 patches
[21:52] <ali1234> and one is "net: fix UDP tunnel GSO of frag_list GRO packets"
[21:53] <ali1234> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git;a=commit;h=0930bd6f0f7d3050b9216b94161445c46178bfc3
[21:53] <SuperEngineer> but the diff between 29 & 287???
[21:54] <ali1234> 29 and 287?
[21:54] <SuperEngineer> sorry - took the wrong meaninfg from that ali1234
[21:54] <ali1234> 	UBUNTU: Ubuntu-3.13.0-32.57 -> UBUNTU: Ubuntu-3.13.0-33.58 - those are the two versions you tried right?
[21:54] <SuperEngineer> I was looking at ms - you were looking at kernels :D
[21:55] <ali1234> yeah i usually find it helps. anyway my money's on that patch
[21:55] <ali1234> it's something to do with GRO packets, which afaik are involved in path discovery
[21:56] <SuperEngineer> I present the evidence m'lud - it all started immediately after the update m'lud
[21:56] <ali1234> well there's literally only 4 patches so you could do a bisect
[21:57] <SuperEngineer> the prosecution requests the update be convicted & punished to the maximum extent allowable m'lud
[21:57] <SuperEngineer> [cries from the gallery of "hang the b*****d!"]
[21:59] <ali1234> you could also try vanilla kernels
[21:59] <ali1234> some of which probably have that patch
[21:59] <ali1234> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[22:00] <SuperEngineer> well - at least that link gets there!  :D
[22:00] <disf> hi
[22:00] <ali1234> also try just manually lowering your MTU
[22:01] <disf> i have to open port for vpn?
[22:03] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: it's lucky I know what you mean by that! [could be worrying otherwise] ;-)
[22:03]  * diddledan pulls SuperEngineer 's MTUs down
[22:03]  * diddledan points and laughs
[22:03] <SuperEngineer> YIKES!!!!
[22:04] <disf> someone?
[22:04] <SuperEngineer> draughty here, ain't it
[22:04] <disf> i have to open port for vpn?
[22:04] <ali1234> disf: it depends whether you are the client or server
[22:05] <disf> ali1234: i have 2 laptops  that i want to connect together
[22:17] <disf_> hi
[22:17] <disf_> some here??
[22:18] <disf_> to
[22:21] <disf_> how i can connect 2 laptops??
[22:21] <disf_> someone can help me?
[22:21] <disf_> please
[22:23] <SuperEngineer> disf_: just off to bed - saw your q so 1st question is: are you attempting peer to peer??? [please say no]
[22:24] <disf_> SuperEngineer: i think i need a connection
[22:24] <SuperEngineer> via a router?
[22:25] <disf_> no, something like vpn so i can make like "LAN" but without to be in the same room
[22:26] <SuperEngineer> ssh?