[03:32] <holstein> staxxx: when upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04, you get 14.04 in place of 12.04
[03:33] <staxxx> do i loose stteing? files?
[03:33] <staxxx> settings*
[03:33] <staxxx> lose*
[03:34] <holstein> staxxx: you should prepare for losing everything, at all times.. since, *all* hard drives fail
[03:34] <holstein> staxxx: so, prepare for that drive failing, and you will be able to recover your files/settings anytime
[03:35] <holstein> staxxx: i personally get a live CD, and see how the newer kernel is supported by my hardware.. then, i personally fresh install.. but, if i wanted to upgrade, i would do so after backing up my files
[03:35] <staxxx> ok. I'm upgrading right now
[03:35] <holstein> staxxx: i find, best case, it'll take a few hours to do an upgrade, and more like 20 minutes for a fresh install
[03:35] <staxxx> so i've noticed...
[03:36] <staxxx> been here for 2h now
[03:36] <holstein> when upgrading, your /home files should stay in place.. configs, etc as well as your actual data files
[03:36] <staxxx> i decided to upgrade after pulseaudio not finding any audio soundcards
[03:36] <staxxx> pnly dummy
[03:36] <staxxx> hopefully this would fix the problem
[03:37] <holstein> i have a tracking drive that i keep my audio production files on, and i mirror those to external USB and blueray discs. on a seperate hard drive i have the latest lts and the last lts at all time
[03:37] <holstein> staxxx: "Fix" what problem?
[03:37] <staxxx> no sound
[03:38] <holstein> staxxx: if you have a device that is broken, you wont fix it like that
[03:38] <staxxx> only dummy appears in pulseaudio
[03:38] <staxxx> i asked for help here but there was no one
[03:38] <holstein> staxxx: in pulseaudio?
[03:38] <holstein> staxxx: you mean, pavucontrol?
[03:38] <staxxx> in sound settings
[03:38] <staxxx> yes
[03:38] <staxxx> pavucontrol
[03:38] <holstein> staxxx: its not the kind of channel where you are guaranteed support 24/7
[03:38] <holstein> this is volunteer support
[03:39] <staxxx> i know it's no problem
[03:39] <holstein> staxxx: for pulse support, you can use xubuntu or ubuntu support anyways
[03:39] <staxxx> been there also
[03:39] <staxxx> and googled alot
[03:39] <holstein> but.. you are upgrading.. and you can do the following if all your stuff is the same afterwards
[03:39] <staxxx> what can i do to fix it?
[03:40] <holstein> 1. use a live CD or supported operating system to see that the hardware is not broken.. also check the bios, or phyisical connections
[03:40] <holstein> staxxx: just saying "how do i fix it" assumes something.. you dont know what is broken, or how, or why. or if *anything* is broken
[03:40] <holstein> anyways..
[03:40] <staxxx> ok sorry
[03:41] <holstein> 2. try a different user.. a fresh user can have different hidden .config files that can "break" many things.. especially when using ppas or 3rd party software
[03:41] <holstein> 3. follow..
[03:41] <holstein> !audio
[03:42] <holstein> you can always quickly open a terminal and run these 2 commands .. "aplay -l" and "arecord -l" .. you will be able to see what alsa is seeing
[03:42] <staxxx> aplay =  no soundcards found
[03:42] <holstein> you can run "lspci" or "lsusb" and see that the operating system is picking up the hardware.. then, the above commands to see if alsa is picking them up.. then, move on to pulse
[03:43] <holstein> staxxx: so, alsa is not seeing the card, in that situation
[03:43] <holstein> staxxx: pulse has no device presented to it
[03:43] <staxxx> ok
[03:43] <holstein> staxxx: so, you have no pluse problem, as i see it there
[03:43] <staxxx> i understand
[03:43] <staxxx> no alsamixer too
[03:43] <holstein> staxxx: you would need to go back to step one, and ask the question, is the hardware there, present, on, broken.. etc
[03:43] <holstein> staxxx: no.. you *have* alsamixer
[03:43] <holstein> staxxx: you have no device present in alsamixer
[03:44] <holstein> staxxx: as i said, if "aplay -l" presents nothing, you have nothing
[03:44] <staxxx> you mean hardware broken like physically broken?
[03:44] <holstein> staxxx: you dont need to move on from there
[03:44] <holstein> staxxx: correct.. if your hardware is physically broken, it wont show up, or could be "acting" funny.. and you cannot confirm if you havent tested
[03:45] <staxxx> all works fine when booting on elementry os
[03:45] <holstein> staxxx: elementery os running audio is a good test then.. so, the audio device is likely fine
[03:45] <staxxx> great
[03:45] <holstein> staxxx: do you see what i typed above? just follow that, and
[03:45] <holstein> !audio
[03:46] <staxxx> but still no sound in ubuntustudio
[03:46] <holstein> staxxx: run lspci.. run a live CD
[03:46] <holstein> staxxx: sure,, i unerstand you dont have audio. the question is why
[03:46] <staxxx> lspci give a big result
[03:46] <holstein> staxxx: does it report in lspci? does it work as a different user? does it work with the live CD?
[03:46] <holstein> staxxx: does lspci *specifically* list the audio device in quesiont
[03:46] <staxxx> it does nt work as a different user
[03:46] <holstein> question*
[03:47] <holstein> staxxx: what would i do? literally just fresh install 14.04, and try and be more careful
[03:47] <staxxx> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:47] <holstein> or, just install elementary os and whatever audio applications i want to use
[03:47] <holstein> they are an ubuntu base, and you likely are not using jack
[03:47] <staxxx> i need jack and audio apps
[03:48] <staxxx> i use jack all the time
[03:48] <holstein> staxxx: sure. jack is in the elementary repos
[03:48] <staxxx> i just started checking elementary out. been using ubuntustudio for 1 year and a half
[03:48] <holstein> anyways.. is fresh install of 14.04 an option?
[03:49] <holstein> staxxx: could have been a ppa, or anything that "broke" your audio
[03:49] <staxxx> can i do a fresh install and keep all files without having to back up?
[03:49] <staxxx> hum.. ppa
[03:49] <holstein> staxxx: you should have a backup *Regardless*.. that hard drive *will* fail
[03:49] <holstein> staxxx: so, plan for *when* your hardware will fail, like all hardware does, and fresh install and put your data back
[03:50] <staxxx> ok
[03:51] <holstein> personally, i would do that after trying 14.04 live
[03:51] <staxxx> i'm already upgrading...
[03:51] <holstein> could be that the more recent kernels dropped support for your hardware.. or alsa
[03:51] <holstein> staxxx: then, test, as i said, after that, friend
[03:51] <staxxx> ok
[03:51] <holstein> staxxx: i have a numbered list above to do after the upgrade
[03:52] <holstein> and i assumed since we were doing that, that the upgrade was complete
[03:52] <staxxx> i'll save this text
[03:52] <holstein> staxxx: you can copy and paste that so you can refer to it later.. or find this chat session logged online
[03:52] <staxxx> the upgrade is taking about 3h now
[03:53] <holstein> sure.. i always prefer a fresh install for many reasons.. the time it takes being up there on the list
[16:46] <__raven> hi
[16:47] <__raven> how to finish/read out a non finalized disc of a dvd camcorder?
[19:19] <sadoi> hello can anyone give me a hand with an issue i have with my audio?
[19:20] <zequence> sadoi: What sort of issue?
[19:20] <sadoi> i seem to be able to use my speakers but just if i turn up and down the volume from alsa mixer, the one on my panel bar or the short key seem to do nothing
[19:22] <sadoi> they seem to be 2 completely separated things, so i want the shortcuts and the menu thingy to work as one, because even the wheel on my speakers turn up/down but the volume keeps at the same level, just getting into alsa mixer volumes seems to work
[19:25] <sadoi> i've searched on google but found nothing
[19:27] <zequence> sadoi: Pulseaudio doesn't have all controls. Sometimes the only way to control your card is via an alsa mixer
[19:27] <zequence> the alsa mixer shows all the controls
[19:27] <zequence> sadoi: What audio device is it?
[19:27] <sadoi> and is there a way to make alsamixer a bit more... user friendly? without eneding to open the box everytime
[19:27] <__raven> exit
[19:28] <sadoi> some logitech usb speakers
[19:28] <sadoi> s-150
[19:28] <zequence> sadoi: Sounds like the alsa interface for it might not be optimal, which leads to pulseaudio not controlling it well
[19:28] <zequence> ..since it's not a pro audio card, more of a standard consumer device
[19:29] <zequence> There are a few mixers to choose from, when it comes to alsa, and gui
[19:30] <sadoi> aha
[19:30] <zequence> sadoi: Try qasmixer
[19:30] <zequence> sudo apt-get qasmixer
[19:30] <sadoi> oh it does come with ubuntu studio
[19:30] <zequence> there's also qasmixer
[19:30] <zequence> sorry..
[19:31] <sadoi> but that turns up /down the volume of pulseaudio
[19:31] <sadoi> humm
[19:31] <sadoi> which is the thing that doesn't work
[19:31] <zequence> There's also volumeicon-alsa
[19:31] <zequence> not sure if it works
[19:32] <Unit193> It's for alsa, but yeah it works.
[19:33] <sadoi> if i could be able to select the speakers on pavucontrol it should work i think
[19:33] <sadoi> but they simply don't apear
[19:33] <sadoi> volumeicon-alsa doesn't work
[19:34] <sadoi> wait... yeah i need to download it, dumb me
[19:37] <sadoi> same :(
[19:44] <sadoi> ok i think what the solution might be, changing the default speakers/output from pulseaudio
[19:44] <sadoi> i just don't know how to do that, also sorry for the wall of text and all the ask-ask-ask
[19:48] <zequence> if you're getting sound from your speakers directly through pulseaudio, they will already be selected as deafult
[19:51] <sadoi> no i get audio thru alsa mixer
[19:51] <sadoi> not pulse audio