[00:08] <belkinsa> Found the back button
[00:08] <belkinsa> It's now on top near the title of the app
[00:12] <nol> o..i'd say it now recognises the machine
[00:12] <nol> odd
[00:12] <nol> even more odd we talk about it?
[00:12] <nol> ow i get it..you work the tablet driven by ubu-t up-side-down
[00:12] <nol> ;)
[00:18] <cousteau> what happened with Ubuntu Edge?  did the project end because there weren't enough fundraisers, or is it still going on?
[00:20] <Beldar> cousteau, The edge has ended, external phone providers is the goal, seemed there might be a few interested. Small user base though makes tis a hard sell I think.
[00:21] <cousteau> was asking because I heard Edge ended but http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/07/edge-founders doesn't mention it
[00:23] <Beldar> cousteau, The preface to the drive was if not economically successful it would not continue for regular release.
[00:25] <cousteau> On a more development-related topic, I heard there's currently no way to close apps.  Is it true?
[00:27] <cousteau> if that's the case, I'd suggest  (1) including a Close button on the controls panel (or recommending developers to add it),  (2) adding a Close button on the corner of each app in the "All open apps" view.
[00:27] <cousteau> and/or (3) have an "app manager" app
[00:29] <cousteau> ...seems that (2) is already implemented.  My bad.  (although it requires touching and pressing, which doesn't make much sense; the buttons could be permanently there)
[00:58] <dobey> cousteau: apps are closed by swiping across the screen from the right edge, and then flicking the app you wish to close upward
[00:58] <cousteau> oh, so like in iOS then
[00:58] <cousteau> apparently I was misinformed in this aspect
[00:58] <dobey> i have on idea how ios works now
[01:01] <cousteau> you enter a mode where you can show all apps and flick them up when you want to close them
[01:01] <cousteau> ...but I'd still rather have a Close button on the bottom ("controls") panel.  That may be something the developer of each app has to do though.
[01:03] <AceLan> yes, we just used to having a close button or a return button somewhere on the screen while using ios or android device
[01:04] <AceLan> but, ubuntu touch doesn't have to follow that, I'm taking to using this kind of behavior now
[01:04] <AceLan> just swipe from the egde, then you can do everything you want to do
[01:06] <cousteau> I'm not speaking about the return ("home") button, I'm speaking about the ability to directly close an application
[01:07] <AceLan> I think it's the same concept
[01:07] <cousteau> one thing I don't like about smartphone-oriented OSes is this inability to close apps.
[01:07] <cousteau> (not directly)
[01:07] <cousteau> then again, apps should provide their own close or exit option; wonder why none do
[01:08] <dobey> why?
[01:08] <cousteau> why would you want to leave an app open all the time?
[01:08] <dobey> why would i leave it open?
[01:08] <cousteau> using resources
[01:09] <cousteau> because it doesn't seem to be trivial to close them
[01:09] <dobey> just because it doesn't have an [x] button doesn't mean i have to leave it running
[01:09] <dobey> it's pretty trivial
[01:09] <dobey> although i do prefer how it works on webos
[01:09] <cousteau> how is it?
[01:11] <dobey> swipe up from the bottom to get to the card view, and then swipe the card up off the screen
[01:11] <dobey> some apps i would want running for long periods of time though
[01:12] <cousteau> I see...  so similar to iOS too
[01:12] <dobey> no
[01:12] <dobey> webos did it first
[01:12] <cousteau> well, iOS is similar to webOS
[01:12] <dobey> ios and android didn't always have swipe to close stuff
[01:12] <cousteau> which means that webOS is similar to iOS, due to the symmetry of the "similar" operator
[01:13] <dobey> "foo is similar to bar" implies that bar came before foo
[01:13] <cousteau> anyway...  dunno, when I'm on an app (e.g. a game) and get tired of it, I want to close it directly, so the option to close it should be as accessible as possible.  That's why I think the option to close the app should be in the app menu itself.
[01:14] <dobey> but #ubuntu-touch ins't really the best forum for arguing about the semantics of the English language
[01:14] <cousteau> as an example, most programs (Ubuntu or not) often have a Quit menu option or button, in addition to the regular [X] window button.
[01:15] <dobey> most programs (that you're talking about) aren't designed for phones
[01:15] <cousteau> yeah, why would it be any different on a phone?
[01:15] <cousteau> specially when having an app running in background means battery usage
[01:16] <dobey> limited real estate, and better ways to interact for certain actions
[01:16] <dobey> just because you didn't close the app doesn't mean the app is running
[01:17] <cousteau> I think especially games should have an Exit option somewhere.  Anyway, that'd be up to the game developer.
[01:18]  * cousteau looks at Ubuntu Phone's default calculator, doesn't like it, and thinks of a Qalculate-based one
[01:19] <dobey> you have ubuntu installed on a nexus 4?
[01:19] <AceLan> no, games don't need an exit button, I play them off and on
[01:19] <cousteau> no, I only have screenshots so far
[01:19] <dobey> oh, then it's a bit harder to demonstrate the app lifecycle thing to you
[01:22] <cousteau> well, if you were going to tell me something like "Background apps are 'suspended' and saved to disk so that they don't waste CPU nor RAM" I could understand it
[01:23] <dobey> well, not saved to disk (unless the app does the right thing itself), but yes, they are suspended. there is an app lifecycle policy
[01:24] <cousteau> does it mean that if they're not used after X time, they should shut down automatically?
[01:25] <dobey> i don't know all the full details, but i think that's the idea, yes
[01:26] <dobey> unless they are doing something (some apps need to run in the background for certain things)
[01:26] <cousteau> I see
[01:26] <cousteau> so basically I have to trust the developer that unused apps will minimize its resource usage
[01:27] <dobey> no
[01:27] <cousteau> or that they won't tell the system "Leave this app running forever" unless strictly needed
[01:28] <dobey> but "minimize" will be different for 2048, than say for a bicycling computer app
[01:29] <dobey> the idea is for the ubuntu app lifecycle policy to be similar to ios
[01:31] <dobey> i'm currently writing an app that i'll need to have running in the background
[01:32] <dobey> ubuntu is still in development though, so the app lifecycle isn't 100% implemented yet
[01:34] <cousteau> I see
[01:34] <cousteau> I hope app dev is easy and that I end up with a phone with ubuntu on it, because it'd be nice to try my hand at some development
[01:35] <dobey> you can develop apps now if you want
[01:35] <cousteau> personally I'd like to port Qalculate to Ubuntu Touch; I don't think it's too hard because the "core" (libqalc) exists as a library
[01:35] <cousteau> but I'd need to work on the interface
[01:36] <cousteau> (and learn how to use the library and how to develop apps...  also learn all this development process; I know some programming but I've never developed an app)
[01:36] <cousteau> (nor anything else; just my own tiny simple programs)
[01:39] <dobey> just do it then. you don't need a phone to do that. you can just do it, and then worry about making it work on the phone once you have it working on your computer
[01:40] <dobey> that's basically how i'm building the app i'm currenly working on
[01:44] <cousteau> cool, but as I've said I've never done this before
[01:45] <cousteau> ...maybe I shouldn't be that ambitious and just make a javascript+html calculator
[01:46] <cousteau> (that one I could definitely do; actually I've done that long ago)
[01:46] <dobey> just install ubuntu-sdk and create a project and start playing and learn
[01:47] <cousteau> ok
[01:47] <cousteau> I probably need to upgrade my system though; it's been years since I upgraded
[01:48] <cousteau> (I'm planning on buying a new computer and was thinking on upgrading when I do so, but I should probably forget about it for now)
[01:49] <dobey> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[01:49] <cousteau> 10.10
[01:49] <cousteau> (yeah, old and unsupported)
[01:50] <cousteau> I don't like newer Ubuntus with that Unity thing so I'll probably change to Xubuntu though; I have that at work and it's pretty nice
[01:53] <cousteau> going to sleep.  Night!
[01:53] <dobey> bye
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> morning
[06:22] <Watson652> Does anyone know of a port for the LG G2 D800?
[06:22] <Watson652> (Sorry if I should be asking this elsewhere)
[06:24] <nol> ;)
[06:43] <nol> (08:40:51) eightyeight: i've brought it up with the other ops. we're not willing to remove the ban
[06:43] <nol> (08:40:54) eightyeight: sorry
[06:43] <nol> (08:41:08) nol: not yet or not ever?
[06:50] <nol> (01:10:33) nol: nbsd is not a who
[06:50] <nol> (01:10:42) nol: heeE..
[06:50] <nol> (01:11:09) nol: have now such an Ubuntu Touch phone..the GOOGLE LG NEXUS 4 and i can program.. did f.i. port Eclipse to nbsd
[06:50] <nol> (01:11:23) nol: and did port nbsd to Openmoko (being the first)
[06:50] <nol> (01:11:55) nol: does that give some clues the channel(s) you can advice me, to them can give there value about me so the process could speed-up?
[06:50] <nol> (01:12:32) eightyeight: you want to program for the ubuntu phone on teh google lg nexus 4?
[06:50] <nol> (01:12:33) nol: i have mission for Metro Network something and did f.i. do mission for/at NATO/OTAN SHAPE HQ
[06:50] <nol> (01:12:43) nol: maybe that does coin some in your mind?
[06:50] <nol> (01:12:53) nol: YES SIR YES, I SURE DO
[06:50] <nol> (01:12:53) eightyeight: i would start with #ubuntu, and go from there
[06:50] <nol> (01:13:01) nol: okay
[06:50] <nol> (01:13:18) nol: am just in (home) got a faulty arest done on me..so not tonight
[06:50] <nol> (01:13:31) nol: arrest(sp) dunno the spelling
[06:50] <nol> (01:13:39) nol: well.. i could start dipping.. hold-on
[06:50] <nol> (01:13:49) eightyeight: there is #ubuntu-phone and #ubuntu-programming
[06:50] <nol> (01:13:56) nol: (preferable on the same irc network is it)
[06:50] <nol> (01:14:00) nol: i like them both
[06:50] <nol> (01:14:13) nol: no #nbsd-phone yet
[06:50] <nol> (01:14:29) eightyeight: i've never heard of a netbsd phone
[06:50] <nol> (01:14:30) nol: and #nbsd-programming, i'd say that's #pkgsrc
[07:13] <Stskeeps> w00t
[07:13] <Stskeeps> er, ignore me..
[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <seb128> mardy, hey
[08:39] <seb128> mardy, do you know what's going on with http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/149/ ?
[08:40] <seb128> mardy, the i386 autopkgtests started failing yesterday it seems
[08:50] <mardy> seb128: no idea, the only suspicious line there is "LLVM ERROR: Do not know how to split the result of this operator!
[08:50] <mardy> seb128: I don't see that in the amd64 logs
[08:54] <ogra_> seb128, what is unity-schemas ? (seems we have a new dep there that pulls it into touch)
[08:54] <seb128> ogra_, the unity schemas (launcher config) splitted out of the unity7 binary
[08:55] <ogra_> could that be a recommends ??
[08:56] <seb128> no, and why?
[08:56] <seb128> that's a depends, that's what contains the launcher config, which is common to unity7 and unity8
[08:56] <ogra_> dunno, seems like we dont need it on touch images
[08:56] <seb128> it got splitted in a new binary so unity8 only pulls in the schemas, and not some unity7 libraries
[08:56] <ogra_> where did that live before for unity8 ?
[08:56] <seb128> libunity-core-6.0-9
[08:57] <ogra_> oh, so it is a split out from a package we ship anyway ... all fine then
[08:57] <seb128> yes
[08:57] <ogra_> thanks :)
[08:57] <seb128> the goal being to be able to drop that package
[08:57] <seb128> in favor of the smaller one that only has the schemas
[08:57] <seb128> yw!
[08:57] <ogra_> cool
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Lefthanders Day! :-D
[09:04] <jgdx> hey Saviq, wanna take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/orientation-lock/+merge/230518 ?
[09:09] <Saviq> jgdx, this looks good, yeah
[09:11] <Saviq> jgdx, just one minor inline comment
[09:11] <jgdx> Saviq, cool. I am correct in setting a string which matches the enum nickname? First time user of gsettings enums here :P
[09:11] <Saviq> jgdx, you tell me, did it work? ;)
[09:13] <jgdx> Saviq, yeah, works fine :) Tested all kinds of rotations on the device, and the setting is set correctly it seems.
[09:14] <Saviq> jgdx, awesome, then we *just* need to interpret that now...
[09:15] <jgdx> Saviq, small thing? ;)
[09:15] <Saviq> jgdx, not a huge one, but involving like 5 different projects
[09:17] <jgdx> Saviq, Ouch – good luck! I'm shipping this hidden by default then.
[09:30] <liuxg> does anyone know how to close an application on N4 with the new UI?
[09:33] <anpok> liuxg: I used to go to the application spread view and drag the application upwards
[09:33] <liuxg> anpok, yes, you are right. cool man! it is not so obvious though.
[10:11] <mpt> cyphermox_, how often (if ever) does the MAC address change?
[10:12] <mpt> Is it different for Wi-Fi vs. Bluetooth, for example?
[10:17] <ogra_> mpt, tht totally depends on the driver ... some change it all the time, some never do
[10:18] <ogra_> (and it can alsovary between wlan and BT)
[10:20] <mpt> thanks ogra_
[10:21] <Chipaca> ooh, that's a nice cock-up of mircommon
[10:21] <Chipaca> :-(
[10:24] <jgdx> Saviq, is there a bug I can follow for the orientation lock implementation on your side?
[10:31] <Saviq> jgdx, bug #1288332
[10:33] <nhaines> Does anyone know if there are any plans to support a landscape-mode shell on the phone?
[10:35] <ogra_> nhaines, there are ...
[10:35] <nhaines> ogra_: any hints on a timeframe?  :)
[10:36] <ogra_> no idea, i just know it is planned
[10:36] <ogra_> i guess it will land with the general location bits like location lock in the system-settings etc
[10:36] <ogra_> err
[10:36] <ogra_> s/location/rotation/
[10:36] <nhaines> ogra_: thanks.  It's really weird for apps to become basically unusable when the phone is in landscape mode.
[10:37]  * ogra_ notes he talked to tvoss to much today :O 
[10:37] <nhaines> :)
[10:37] <ogra_> oh ?
[10:37]  * ogra_ hanst had apps become unusable due to landscape 
[10:37] <ogra_> *hasnt
[10:37] <nhaines> Edge swipes don't work any longer and you can't input text.
[10:38] <ogra_> oh, you mean the shell making them unusable :)
[10:38] <ogra_> yeah
[10:38] <nhaines> Yes.  :)
[10:38] <ogra_> well, ask the unity team for a timeframe ;)
[10:39] <nhaines> I do have to say that rotation is very nice now... as is scrolling speed with the new compositor improvements.  :)
[10:42] <jgdx> Saviq, thanks
[11:12] <zyga> hmm, gallery app stopped working after the update just now on mako
[11:12] <zyga> crashes on startup
[11:12] <popey> zyga: reboot phone
[11:12] <zyga> ok
[11:12] <zyga> popey: btw, that's causing that?
[11:12] <popey> no idea
[11:13] <zyga> hmm
[11:13] <zyga> magic
[11:14] <zyga> yeah, that helped
[11:14] <zyga> odd
[12:27] <jgdx> does an api exist for conjuring the passcode/phrase sheet?
[12:28] <seb128> jgdx, you mean for locking the screen?
[12:28] <jgdx> seb128, no, in factory reset, we need the user to confirm the passcode/phrase before continuing
[12:29] <seb128> that would be a question for mterry, when he gets online
[12:29] <seb128> but I don't think it has been factored as a sharable component (yet)
[12:29] <jgdx> that's what I suspected. Thanks seb128
[12:29] <seb128> yw
[12:32] <dobey> mardy: hi. can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-credentials/fix-cancel/+merge/230540 ? i've got login and cancel all working pretty much as expected now, but the account we create is showing as disabled in the list for some reason, despite the several setEnabled() calls we make.
[12:36] <mardy> dobey: you need to iterate through all AccountServices in the account, and enable them
[12:38] <mardy> dobey: by the way, when editing an existing U1 account, are you doing something special, or just enabling/disabling the services and updating the ACL?
[12:38] <mardy> dobey: the reason why I'm asking this, is that we are about to remove the possibility for account plugins to customize that page
[12:39] <mardy> dobey: we'll just use the same page for all providers, the one where we have the enable/disable switches, and we'll just enable/disable the services and update the ACL
[12:40] <dobey> mardy: the only thing we have on the edit page is the "remove this account" button
[12:40] <mardy> dobey: OK. Do you do some special operation when the account is removed? Or just remove it from the accounts DB?
[12:41] <seb128> mardy, did you see my question from yesterday about ussoa translations btw?
[12:41] <dobey> mardy: we delete the credentials, then delete the account, then sync the account
[12:41] <mardy> seb128: ah, yes. Can you please file a bug about it?
[12:41] <seb128> mardy, sure, can you reproduce/do you know what's wrong?
[12:41] <mardy> dobey: OK, then using a standard page should be fine
[12:42] <seb128> mardy, btw, the signon false-warning is still there, I saw you have a branch for it, is there anything blocking landing?
[12:42] <mardy> seb128: sorry, no. I've been using my phone in English, and now I'm in an intensive debugging session :-)
[12:42] <seb128> mardy, k, no worry
[12:43] <mardy> seb128: no, it's just blocked by me not requesting a silo :-) Will do :-)
[12:43] <seb128> mardy, thanks
[12:44] <dobey> mardy: how do i iterate through all AccountServices in an account and enable them? i don't see how to do that from the account.h API
[12:47] <mardy> dobey: the fastest way is probably calling account->services(), and then you can call account->selectService() + account->setEnabled() on each iteration
[12:52] <dobey> hrmm
[12:56] <SonicTsunami> is there a way to get this program to run on a motion computing M1400 tablet?
[13:08] <seb128> mzanetti, hey
[13:09] <seb128> mzanetti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1356293 looks like toolkitish to me, you probably understand qt better than me, so if you see something we are doing wrong feel free to point it out
[13:09] <seb128> mzanetti, see my current reply, I don't understand why a "anchor: if_true ? something : else" is behaving different from "anchor: something" with if_true = true
[13:15] <ogra_> mterry, moin ...
[13:15] <mterry> ogra_, hello!  So I see some bugs that got marked as blockers...
[13:15] <ogra_> mterry, do you have a bug open about "PIN input screen does not use lockscreen wallpaper" ?
[13:15] <mterry> ogra_, that is a design choice
[13:15] <ogra_> i just noticed that here
[13:15] <ogra_> it looks awful !
[13:15] <ogra_> :P
[13:15] <mterry> heh
[13:16]  * ogra_ didn check the blocker list ... 
[13:16] <ogra_> which ones are that ?
[13:16] <ogra_> oh, the wizard issues
[13:18] <mzanetti> seb128: ack, will have a look
[13:18] <mzanetti> seb128: eating currently. will be back in 20 mins or so
[13:19] <seb128> mzanetti, thanks
[13:20] <seb128> mardy, can we open ussoa on a specific account type?
[13:20] <seb128> like system://online-accounts/ubuntuone?
[13:21] <mardy> seb128: yes, but not with an URL; we have a QML or C++ API
[13:21] <ogra_> seb128, if i remove ~/.pam_environment on the phone an try to change my language settings that file doesnt seem to be created by system-settings ... any idea why ?
[13:22] <seb128> ogra_, no
[13:22] <ogra_> is s-s actually doing the creation or does it use any backend service
[13:22] <seb128> ogra_, does it mean the locale change fails?
[13:22] <ogra_> right
[13:22] <seb128> ogra_, it uses accountsservice's dbus api
[13:22] <ogra_> hmm, k
[13:23] <seb128> that didn't change for a while
[13:23]  * ogra_ has the strange dejavu feeling that we had that very same conversation before 
[13:23] <dobey> how does one get the sdk to install necessary build deps in the kit chroot for building something for armhf?
[13:24] <seb128> mardy, ok, thanks, I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1348580
[13:25] <mardy> seb128: see https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/app-access2/+merge/219798, line 109
[13:26] <seb128> mardy, thanks
[13:26] <mardy> seb128: however I've been asked this question several times before, and IIRC once it was about the U1 plugin; so I suspect that someone might be already working on that bug
[13:27] <seb128> could be
[13:27] <seb128> or other bits of the ui have the issue too
[13:27] <seb128> like the dash
[13:27] <dobey> gatox: ^^
[13:28] <mardy> seb128: better write a comment to the bug and assign it to yourself, so that others are notified of it
[13:28] <seb128> it's a bit ridiculous, the update panel has like half the settings bug and nobody working on it, I'm trying to help a bit
[13:28] <seb128> mardy, yeah, I was sort of pinging to know if you started working on it as well, since it's assigned to you
[13:28] <mardy> seb128: uh... no, I definitely didn't
[13:28] <seb128> pmcgowan, ^ btw, do you know if anyone could help with the settings-update panel? ton of work to do, and gatox seems to be too busy with other work
[13:28] <seb128> mardy, k
[13:29] <pmcgowan> seb128, yeah starting to be a real problem, we are almost clear of the other tasks
[13:30] <gatox> seb128, yap... i'm trying to go back to u-s-s, but i cannot seem to get finish with everything related to pay to move on to updates
[13:30] <pmcgowan> seb128, I will try to find someone but not much luck so far, hoping jonas and ken get done with everything else
[13:32] <gatox> seb128, i everything is ok.... i should be able to finish with my branches today and start working on system settings tomorrow.... but i can't promise anything, there is always something
[13:32] <pmcgowan> seb128, a number of those bugs are hard to reproduce too
[13:33] <seb128> pmcgowan, there is a good stack of bugs easy to reproduce/UI issues/things not matching the design as well
[13:33] <pmcgowan> ack
[13:33] <seb128> I've proposed some mps to fix issues
[13:33] <pmcgowan> awesome!
[13:33] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, lets make sure we review and land those as well
[13:35] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, will do
[13:36] <seb128> mardy, what would be the applicationId for u-s-s which is not a click?
[13:37] <kenvandine> seb128, ubuntu-system-settings
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:37] <kenvandine> the name of the .desktop file
[13:40] <nik90> popey: have you had the issue where the unity8 dash just freezes? The launcher, indicators, app switching works...just unity8 dash that freezes up completely
[13:43] <nhaines>  export BYOBU_CHARMAP=x ; . ~/.bashrc
[13:43] <nhaines>  export BYOBU_CHARMAP=UTF-8 ; . ~/.bashrc
[13:43] <nhaines> Oh hey.
[13:43] <nhaines> Sorry.  ^^;;
[13:43] <robotfuel> Wellark: ping do you have any updates on fixing this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1343341
[13:44] <popey> nik90: yes, when i get alarms, if i get two, there's a bug for it
[13:45] <nik90> popey: no no it freezes for me after turning the screen on after a few minutes of boot up.
[13:45] <popey> oh, no
[13:45] <nik90> I think I am going to reflash it fresh and then see if it still happens
[13:54] <mardy> Mirv: hi! Are you fairly busy, or have you got some time?
[13:54] <mardy> Mirv: I need help with https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-40766
[13:54] <mardy> Mirv: basically, I'd like to understand if it's a QT bug, a bug in our QPA or something stupid in my code :-)
[13:55] <Saviq> popey, can you please dupe bug #1356374 to your bug
[13:55]  * Saviq can't finde it
[13:56] <Saviq> finde
[13:56] <Saviq> it's an ancient type of finding
[14:02] <elmo> where would I file bug about apps I can't uninstall (or rather I can, but they then get re-installed as part of the system upgrades)
[14:07] <popey> Saviq: made it a dupe of bug 1355422
[14:17] <Saviq> popey, thanks
[14:36] <dobey> mardy: hrmm, so i changed the code to loop through all the account->settings() results and do selectService() and setEnabled() each iteration, but the account is still showing as disabled after i log in
[14:36] <mardy> dobey: and you are absolutely sure that this code is called?
[14:36] <mardy> and before calling sync()?
[14:37] <dobey> mardy: yes
[14:38] <dobey> i'm doing this loop twice, once when we initially create the account, and then again after setting the credentials ID on the account
[14:40] <dobey> mardy: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8036682/ is the change i made to do the loop
[14:41] <mardy> dobey: once is enough. Can you print the service name? and also, can you check with "account-console show <account-id>" what's the situation?
[14:42] <dobey> i can add a qDebug() sure. is "account-console" installed on the phone already, or do i have to install some other package to get it?
[14:45] <dobey> mardy: also, is Accounts::Service what you meant earlier, or did you mean Accounts::AccountService? they are separate things, and i don't see how to get an AccountService from an Account or Service
[14:48] <mardy> dobey: if it's not installed, it's in account-plugin-tools
[14:49] <dobey> ok, that looks like it is installed
[14:49] <mardy> dobey: the AccountService has a constructor which takes an Account and one Service, IIRC. But anyway no, you don't need that. The code you pasted looks correct
[14:50] <dobey> ok
[14:50] <dobey> rebuilding with the qDebug() now
[15:22] <dobey> mardy: ok, so i see the qDebug() i added. there's only one service in account->services(), the "ubuntuone" service
[15:23] <dobey> mardy: account-console shows that service as enabled, but the account itself as disabled
[15:24] <dobey> mardy: for some reason, there's no "enabled: True" under "Global settings:"
[15:25] <dobey> (which i see on another device that has an enabled u1 account)
[15:25] <MacSlow> nik90, hey there... quick question...
[15:25] <nik90> MacSlow: hey, what's up
[15:25] <MacSlow> nik90, the snap-decision triggered by an clock-alarm reminder/notification... that's being triggered directly by the clock-app or the indicator-datetime?
[15:26] <nik90> MacSlow: indicator-datetime
[15:26] <MacSlow> nik90, ok thx!
[15:26] <nik90> MacSlow: np
[15:56] <Xeon3D> why isnt the nexus 5 a supported device?
[15:58] <nhaines> Xeon3D: because it didn't exist when the supported devices were determined.
[15:59] <popey> and it wastes effort and resources if we keep switching device every few months
[15:59] <Tassadar> Xeon3D: there is an unofficial port available, it works pretty well
[15:59] <nhaines> Tassadar: it does at that, minus a couple power management things.  :D
[16:00] <dobey> nhaines: and a few other non-pm things :P
[16:01] <dobey> but at least you can actually use the phone more than once now :)
[16:01] <Tassadar> my server wasn't building new device-specific parts for like a month because I left something uncommited in one of subrepositories
[16:01] <Tassadar> so the repo sync failed -> whole build failed
[16:01] <Tassadar> so there might be some improvements which didn't get in my builds <_<
[16:01] <dobey> Tassadar: so what build # would that be fixed in?
[16:02] <Tassadar> anyway, it is building now, next image will have updated device parts, but I have no idea if that fixes anything or if those were just some under-the-hood changes
[16:03] <Tassadar> next will be 188 I think
[16:03] <dobey> ah ok
[16:03]  * dobey hopes the backlight is fixed
[16:04] <Tassadar> yeah, that one is weird
[16:04] <nhaines> Yeah.  :/
[16:04] <dobey> yeah
[16:04] <nhaines> I need to check if the cellular data is still broken actually.  Hmm.
[16:05] <dobey> nhaines: main problem i have with cell data is that it doesn't switch off wifi to lte when i leave the house. it stays trying to reconnect to wifi and never switches to cell
[16:07] <popey> Saviq: is it intentional that the scopes scope is no longer visible?
[16:07] <nhaines> dobey: yup, me too.
[16:07] <Saviq> popey, the dash overview *is* the scopes scope
[16:07] <nhaines> The Dash overview is pretty but it makes me sad that I can't set my favorite scopes.
[16:07] <dobey> nhaines: i think running offline-modem/online-modem a couple times will "fix" it though
[16:08] <dobey> at least, until you reboot again
[16:08] <nhaines> dobey: do you mean flight mode?
[16:09] <dobey> nhaines: is that what flight mode does? i mean running the ofono scripts (i had this problem since before flight mode got added)
[16:10] <nhaines> dobey: I don't know what Flight Mode actually does.  It's supposed to disable all radios (cellular, Wi-fi, Bluetooth, etc.)  :)
[16:11] <popey> Saviq: oh, okay
[16:11] <dobey> nhaines: right. i'm not sure how it does it exactly. i had luck running the ofono scripts a couple of times previously though
[16:15] <dobey> mardy: if you're still around, and could review on https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-credentials/fix-cancel/+merge/230540 that'd be great. i managed to get the account to not be disabled any more
[16:15] <nhaines> Ooh, just realized that "Celluar Settings..." and "Wi-Fi" settings in the Network indicator don't do anything.
[16:16] <dobey> nhaines: they open system settings for me
[16:18] <dobey> anyway, need to get lunch now
[17:02] <mterry> jgdx, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/careful-sockets/+merge/230690 today?  I *think* this will solve a promotion-blocker but I need to see it in an image to be sure
[17:03] <mterry> ogra_, can I edit a image tarball easily?  Like change a file in it?
[17:04] <ogra_> mterry, i dont think so ... that will break the gpg signature
[17:04] <ogra_> you could try doing it after the fact by booting into recovery or so
[17:05] <mterry> hmm, will try
[17:08] <mterry> ogra_, also...  for https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/livecd-rootfs/no-pam-sed/+merge/229654...  How can we best coordinate that landing with the ubuntu-touch-session branch?
[17:08] <mterry> Just do them close together and hope?
[17:08] <ogra_> you can use a silo ...
[17:09] <ogra_> hmm, or not
[17:09] <ogra_> so yeah, just coordination with the image bulds
[17:09] <ogra_> make clear sil2100 and the laning team knows that livecd-rootfs needs ot be done first and then u-t-s needs to be in the next image
[17:10] <mterry> ogra_, OK.  I'll talk with them
[17:11] <ogra_> well, or with me, i'm part of the landing team :)
[17:13] <ogra_> mterry, did you ever tap on "emergency call" on the pin dialog ?
[17:13] <ogra_> mterry, how would i close the dialer that pops up
[17:13] <mterry> ogra_, eventually that's supposed to have a cancel button I believe.  But for now you can just turn off and on your screen
[17:14] <ogra_> ok, but it is known ... thats all i wanted to know
[17:14] <mterry> boiko, did you ever get a design document for the final emergency dialer visuals?
[17:24] <Tassadar> ogra_ rsalveti: Hi, can any of you merge this please? Build for hammerhead is broken https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/c/321/
[17:25] <rsalveti> Tassadar: hm, weird, built fine here, but will check
[17:26] <rsalveti> oh, only when it's true
[17:26] <rsalveti> will check
[17:26] <boiko> mterry: I think we had something, but I need to double check that
[17:26] <Tassadar> try to remove the device's folder in out/target/product, I think it might fail only with clean build
[17:27] <rsalveti> Tassadar: merged
[17:28] <Tassadar> thanks!
[17:47] <dobey> hmm, the offline/online trick doesn't seem to work any more
[17:55] <K1773R> i always get 'Cannot cleanup /cache/recovery/ to ensure clean deploymentexit status 255', even tough i wiped the cache partition, image 179 for mako
[17:55] <K1773R> i saw some other ppl having the same problem, but no solution so far
[18:03] <lokinou> hello
[18:03] <lokinou> any idea how to easily install this on a touch device https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-telegram-app ?
[18:05] <Wellark> robotfuel: not yet
[18:05] <dobey> get it packaged as a click and in the store
[18:05] <Wellark> it's on my list, but that's it
[18:05] <Wellark> there is a lot of other critical stuff on it as well
[18:06] <dobey> lokinou: and technically speaking, the license is wrong
[18:07] <lokinou> does it mean I should be patient and wait for an official release dobey ?
[18:09] <dobey> lokinou: well you should probably ask the developers about their intentions, rather than asking on this channel (since they probably aren't hanging out in here). and they really do need to fix the license problem (can't license GPLv2+ code as LGPLv3; must be GPLv2 or v3)
[18:12] <lokinou> Thanks dobey, see you around, since I might come back pretty often to ask random questions
[18:19] <jgdx> mterry, sure
[18:26] <jgdx> kenvandine, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/orientation-lock/+merge/230518 ?
[18:27] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure
[18:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, are you looking into the CI failures?
[18:29] <jgdx> kenvandine, checking
[18:29] <jgdx> kenvandine, the system updates one?
[18:30] <kenvandine> jgdx, just looking at the diff in the browser, i suspect you have a couple lines over 80 :)
[18:30] <kenvandine> i didn't look at the logs
[18:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, seems like flakyness maybe
[18:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, aah, I need to turn on style checker for qml
[18:30] <kenvandine> ok, i'll give it a kick :)
[18:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[18:35] <kenvandine> jgdx, we could land the gsettings schema change separately right, as long as it's before uss?
[18:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, that would be quick and easy to land in a silo by itself
[18:36] <kenvandine> without waiting for the uss branch to pass CI, and manual testing
[18:37] <kenvandine> we could just test the existing uss against the new schema in a silo and get it out of the way :)
[18:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, seb128: ^^ thoughts?
[18:37] <K1773R> cmon guys, cant be that nobody else had this problem?
[18:38] <kenvandine> K1773R, i haven't seen that on my mako
[18:38] <K1773R> kenvandine: i even did $ fastboot format cache, to be sure its wiped
[18:39] <K1773R> kenvandine: any advice on how to debug to find the issue?
[18:39] <kenvandine> sorry, nope
[18:40] <seb128> kenvandine, no
[18:40] <seb128> kenvandine, the schemas removes a key than settings is using (if you speak about the rotation one)
[18:40] <seb128> kenvandine, you remember how desrt made gsettings abrt on missing keys right? ;-)
[18:41]  * dobey wonders if he is just going to have to rm -rf his chroot and re-run mk-sbuild again :(
[18:41] <kenvandine> seb128, he didn't remove the key though
[18:42] <seb128> kenvandine, didn't he?
[18:42] <kenvandine> he added it back after you commented
[18:42] <seb128> kenvandine, what mr are you looking at there?
[18:42] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/orientation-lock/+merge/230499
[18:42] <seb128> oh, k, I though we agreed to land that in one silo and that keeping it was not needed
[18:42] <seb128> well, in which case, sure you can land it earlier
[18:43] <K1773R> kenvandine: oh well, thats sad
[18:43] <K1773R> kenvandine: ubuntu-device-flash dosnt even have a verbose mode... no way to find out why its happening
[18:44] <kenvandine> seb128, will do
[18:44] <kenvandine> K1773R, sorry... not my area of expertise
[18:44] <K1773R> kenvandine: who should i ask?
[18:47] <seb128> kenvandine, thansk
[18:48] <kenvandine> seb128, should make the uss landing easier :)
[18:48] <kenvandine> K1773R, not sure, maybe ogra_?
[18:48] <seb128> kenvandine, well, that's not a big package to land
[18:48] <kenvandine> right
[18:48] <kenvandine> uss takes more time :)
[18:48] <kenvandine> and we are still waiting for CI tests to pass, etc
[18:49] <jgdx> kenvandine, yes. That should be fine
[18:49] <kenvandine> jgdx, in silo 12 :)
[18:50] <kenvandine> jgdx, when testing the silo, i'll also grab your uss branch and test that as well
[18:50] <jgdx> kenvandine, you're crazy fast :)
[18:50] <kenvandine> code looks good, aside from the long lines :)
[18:51] <kenvandine> lets see if CI passes though
[18:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, battlinh with utopic atm. Going to be a while
[18:52] <kenvandine> ok
[18:57] <K1773R> ogra_: according to kenvandine you can help me solve this issue (http://askubuntu.com/questions/510970/ubuntu-device-flash-fails-nexus-4). id be happy for any advice
[19:00] <kenvandine> K1773R, maybe :)
[19:01] <K1773R> kenvandine: we'll see
[19:05] <dobey> why are you running ubuntu-device-flash under sudo?
[19:06] <infernix> how can I run ubuntu-flash-device on debian?
[19:06] <infernix> or is there some other method to flash?
[19:06] <infernix> it's not in any sid package
[19:07] <dobey>  g++-4.9:armhf : Depends: gcc-4.9:armhf (= 4.9.1-5ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[19:07] <dobey> bah
[19:07] <dobey> :(
[19:07] <K1773R> dobey: otherwise its stuck with "Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting"
[19:08] <dobey> K1773R: is the device in the bootloader?
[19:08] <K1773R> dobey: yes, of course :)
[19:09] <dobey> K1773R: is it a "new" nexus 4? was it ever booted into android?
[19:10] <K1773R> dobey: i booted android, used it a bit. installed ubuntu touch. then i killed it due to playing around in write mode. i wanted to reinstall but i couldnt. a reinstallation of android works, ubuntu touch dosnt
[19:11] <dobey> hmm, ok
[19:11] <K1773R> also while in recovery mode, adb devices only shows this
[19:11] <dobey> is android on it now?
[19:11] <K1773R> "????????????	no permissions"
[19:11] <K1773R> dunno if it should do that
[19:11] <dobey> no, i don't think it should do that
[19:11] <K1773R> yes, its still on it
[19:12] <dobey> tried enabling dev mode/adb inside android, and then running "ubuntu-device-flash --channel devel" while it's in android?
[19:12] <K1773R> not yet, will do
[19:13] <K1773R> dev mode + usb debugging is on of course ;)
[19:15] <K1773R> adb still outputs '????????????	no permissions'
[19:16] <Tassadar> adb kill-server && sudo adb start-server
[19:16] <dobey> just adb kill-server
[19:16] <dobey> probably sudo adb kill-server
[19:16] <dobey> and then just run the flash command
[19:16] <K1773R> ok, now adb seems to work
[19:16] <dobey> it should start adb automatically
[19:16] <Tassadar> the point is to restart the server as root so that it has permissions
[19:16] <K1773R> without --bootstrap ?
[19:17] <dobey> --bootstrap is only for when flashing from the bootloader
[19:17] <dobey> not from recovery or in the live system
[19:18] <K1773R> 2014/08/13 21:17:42 Cannot push /home/k1773r/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/devel/mako/version-179.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is file
[19:18] <K1773R> "is full" i expect?
[19:18] <K1773R> but i wiped that partition with fastboot AND the ubuntu recovery
[19:18] <dobey> no, /cache/recovery is probably a file, not a directory?
[19:18] <cm-t_> damn you all !!   I have to make this paskage to send back to canonical (including 2xtablet & 2 phone). I was using 1 of these phone daily for 2 month. getting back on my android phone this morning, just bought to someone a mako just because ubuntu ;)
[19:19] <K1773R> dobey: no idea
[19:19] <K1773R> drwxrwx--- system   cache             2014-08-13 19:14 cache
[19:19] <dobey> not the cache directory, the recovery directory
[19:19] <dobey> ie, /cache/recovery
[19:19] <K1773R> according to adb shell ls -al
[19:19]  * cm-t appologies for the fanboy message just above ↑
[19:20] <K1773R> i dont have permissions to look inside /cache
[19:20] <dobey> K1773R: under adb shell?
[19:20] <K1773R> dobey: yes
[19:20] <K1773R> shell@mako:/ $ ls cache
[19:20] <K1773R> opendir failed, Permission denied
[19:21] <dobey> well that's a problem
[19:21] <dobey> and directly related to the errors you're getting
[19:22] <dobey> i am not quite sure how to fix that though if you can't do it as root :)
[19:22] <K1773R> im shell@mako, not root@mako
[19:22] <dobey> oh
[19:22] <K1773R> su is not in $PATH, nor find
[19:22] <K1773R> i was looking around before but couldnt find it
[19:23] <dobey> i don't know enough about the android fs to get you root
[19:23] <dobey> but i think we've found your problem at least
[19:24] <K1773R> directories owned by root can be used
[19:24] <K1773R> eh nvm,
[19:24] <K1773R> everyone had access to those folders
[19:30] <mardy_> kenvandine: hi! Do you have time to review (and top-approve, if that's good) this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings/other-app-access/+merge/228299
[19:31] <kenvandine> mardy, sure
[19:34] <kenvandine> mardy,  are you ready to try to get a landing for this ?
[19:36] <kenvandine> mardy, i'm happy with it, would you like me to get a silo for it so it's built and ready to test when you start your day tomorrow?
[19:39] <kenvandine> mardy, ok, silo 16, i'll try to have it all built and ready for you in the morning :)
[19:49] <Saviq> kenvandine, mardy, how soon do you plan to release silo 16?
[19:49] <kenvandine> Saviq, maybe tomorrow... i hope
[19:49] <kenvandine> Saviq, should we wait?
[19:50] <Saviq> kenvandine, no, I was rather asking whether I could join you (or maybe even overtake you in that case)
[19:51] <kenvandine> what do you need to add?
[19:51] <Saviq> kenvandine, well, I've a settings landing fixing a blocker that I'd want to land tonight
[19:51] <Saviq> kenvandine, and some unity8 MPs to hitch a ride
[19:52] <kenvandine> ok, you can just land those in a separate silo if you'd like and i can respin this tomorrow
[19:52] <Saviq> kenvandine, ok cool, will let you know
[19:52] <cwayne> mardy: could 'other app access' be used to grant access to scopes?
[19:52] <kenvandine> but this way i could maybe get some testing of the silo in tonight
[19:52] <kenvandine> Saviq, thx, just give me a shout
[20:22] <K1773R> dobey: i got the root problem fixed, should i try to install ubuntu now?
[20:23] <dobey> K1773R: is /cache/recovery accessible and a directory?
[20:24] <mterry> kenvandine, when is your next u-s-s release?
[20:24] <kenvandine> mterry, tomorrow most likely
[20:25] <kenvandine> mterry, Saviq said he might try to land something for uss tonight, maybe you can sneak something in his?
[20:25] <mterry> Saviq, is that the socket branch?
[20:25] <Saviq> mterry, yeah
[20:25] <kenvandine> mterry, i have a silo now for other app access, but i don't want to rush that one
[20:25] <mterry> Saviq, OK, cool.  Just wanted to make sure someone was on that
[20:25] <kenvandine> so you guys can pass me :)
[20:25] <mterry> thanks
[20:25] <mterry> kenvandine, thanks!
[20:25] <kenvandine> np
[20:26] <kenvandine> just let me know if you pass me up :)
[20:26] <K1773R> dobey: yes
[20:26] <K1773R> dobey: cleaned the directory, finally!
[20:26] <Saviq> mterry, just I can't top-ack it, kenvandine can you? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/careful-sockets/+merge/230690
[20:26] <kenvandine> Saviq, done
[20:26] <pmcgowan> Saviq, was trying to repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1356045 but instructions to stop service not working for me
[20:27] <pmcgowan> no such service
[20:27] <Saviq> pmcgowan, as phablet
[20:27] <Saviq> pmcgowan, not root
[20:27] <pmcgowan> doh prolly thats it
[20:27] <dobey> K1773R: ok, then yeah, you should be able to install now
[20:27] <K1773R> dobey: NACK -> Cannot push /,,,,ubuntu-bc657aebe23987cbebfe1e84159df0f72fa48ff0702c507cfc4a20f7f4f78dea.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is file
[20:29] <dobey> K1773R: then i guess the issue isn't fixed. i think you need someone who knows more about the android recovery fs than i do, to help you now
[20:30] <lokinou_> Hello again, do I have to go through ssh or scp to transfer files to my ubuntu touch phone ?
[20:34] <K1773R> dobey: i found something, USB disconnect, device number 69. it disconnects while pushing data
[20:35] <dobey> lokinou_: it appears in nautilus when you plug it in on usb
[20:37] <K1773R> dobey: il check on another machine if its related to my HW or something else
[20:38] <lokinou_> i have nexus 5 which mean no external sd card. Also, I am right no in a windows computer, and I am trying to install ext partition readers... updating you dobey
[20:39] <kenvandine> K1773R, i had some disconnect problems a while back, caused by a bad usb cable
[20:39] <dobey> lokinou_: i don't knkow what you are talking about an sd card for
[20:39] <kenvandine> K1773R, it mostly worked, but would cause bad things from time to time
[20:40] <K1773R> kenvandine: that could be the case, when i flashed it, i used another cable
[20:40] <kenvandine> it's annoying when something usually works :)
[20:40] <dobey> lokinou_: it's just an MTP device afaik
[20:40] <dobey> lokinou_: not a usb mass storage thing
[20:40] <lokinou_> just making a parallel with Android. MB it does not apply here dobey, that you only have access to a mounted SD card storage (i.e a camera)
[20:40] <dobey> i don't know what you need on windows to use MTP filesystems
[20:43] <K1773R> kenvandine: also happens with the cable i used before :S
[20:44] <lokinou_> there is a topic on xda-developpers here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2390296 i'll update you dobey for further advances
[20:55] <lokinou_> looks dry, especially because the link was talking about android... lets wait for alternative solutions dobey, what do you think about ssh or samba modules ?
[20:58] <dobey> lokinou_: i think "don't use windows" :)
[20:58] <dobey> lokinou_: if the solution there doesn't work, i don't know what to tell you. i don't use windows at all. i only use ubuntu
[21:00] <lokinou_> no problem dobey I am just looking for solutions. In some months,a massive amount of people might come with the same questions, people like me that cannot get rid of word text processing and video games
[21:06] <K1773R> dobey / kenvandine: it worked in bootloader, but not while android was running
[21:17] <lokinou_> no easy solution, let's go put ubuntu into a virtualbox
[21:25] <K1773R> how can i disable cellular data by default?
[21:35] <K1773R> if its not reset after restart this wont be an issue
[21:35] <K1773R> ty dobey / kenvadine (gone) for your time :)
[21:36] <dobey> sure
[22:00] <el3phanten> Hi might it work to install ubuntu touch on a sony xperia lt15i. I am aware of risks
[22:02] <dobey> !devices | el3phanten