[07:02] <ovidiu-florin> how does qapt output the package install process in a konsole like view? does it use kdialog?
[07:58] <Riddell> ScottK: right I get that but what are the use cases these days beyond skype for 32 bit on 64 bit? presumably there's other proprietary software people want to run in 32bit mode?
[08:01] <Riddell> I can't recrate the crash in bug 1352397
[08:01] <Riddell> ...
[08:01] <Riddell> :)
[08:15] <Riddell> worth reading kevin kofler's reply to my packaging blog post, they seem to have much the same issues https://blogs.kde.org/2014/08/13/upstream-and-downstream-why-packaging-takes-time#new
[09:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: so.. horizontal volume controls, why why? the metaphone is clearly higher and lower volume meaning it should be vertical!
[09:05]  * bookzilla sits down to watch the flame-war
[09:05] <bookzilla> except no harald exists yet
[09:05] <Riddell> go and wake him up with a very high volume so demonstrate why volume is a vertical concept
[09:05] <bookzilla> he was investigating how to have sex in outer space when I went to bed
[09:06] <bookzilla> and there was more bad wine in the bottle
[09:06] <bookzilla> Riddell: I'm not sure where his room is
[09:06] <bookzilla> perhaps I should just parade up and down the halls playing .....Tool, perhaps?
[09:07] <bookzilla> this would make me many friends, I'm thinking
[09:09] <Riddell> get some pans from the kitchen and hit them with a variety of spoons
[09:09] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1308931 ready for SRU promotion
[09:09] <Riddell> god that one took ages :(
[09:33] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[09:37] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1352397 for SRU approval
[10:29] <kdeuser56> does the kubuntu-next iso work for anyone in virtualbox?
[10:29] <Riddell> not tried today, what happens kdeuser56?
[10:30] <Riddell> I do have a local problem with sddm so it could be that if you just get a screen with a cursor and nothing else
[10:30] <kdeuser56> Riddell: yesterdays iso simply only shows colored lines
[10:33] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[10:37] <Riddell> well that could mean anything :(
[10:37] <Riddell> but I'm going to blame sddm
[10:38] <kdeuser56> Riddell: I'll try to investiage ...
[10:39] <kdeuser56> Riddell: do you know where the svg's of the ticks are stored, when you tick something in plasma, like in networkmanager? they do not seem to be in /usr/share/plasma/desktoptheme
[10:39] <Riddell> kdeuser56: no idea sorry you'd need to ask in #plasma I guess
[10:53] <kdeuser56> Riddell: splash screen shows, then the aspect ration changes and only colored lines
[10:53] <kdeuser56> Riddell: 3d enabled, enough ram, two cpus ... so I can't do more about it
[10:55] <kdeuser56> Riddell: screenshot: http://tinypic.com/r/j8lce9/8
[10:57] <Riddell> hmm so probably not sddm
[10:57] <Riddell> that's spooky, maybe X is crashing
[11:20] <jmux> kdeuser56: Do you have the virtualbox vM tools installed in the vm? The std VGA emulation of VBox is very basic.
[11:20] <kdeuser56> jmux: which tools? I do not want to use proprietary stuff
[11:21] <jmux> We always recompile vbox for the latest HWE, so it runs a linux with HWE flawlessly
[11:21] <kdeuser56> jmux: which tools do you mean?
[11:22] <jmux> kdeuser56: virtualbox-guest-additions
[11:22] <kdeuser56> jmux: that would have to be installed inside the vm ... how would I do that if I do not get any sensible ui?
[11:23] <jmux> kdeuser56: ah - no - the current package name is virtualbox-guest-utils
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:24] <jmux> kdeuser56: well - you could use ssh or select it during the installation.
[11:25] <kdeuser56> jmux: virtualbox-guest-utils  is for non x11 guests ....
[11:25] <kdeuser56> jmux: https://packages.debian.org/sid/virtualbox-guest-utils
[11:26] <jmux> kdeuser56: ok - then go with virtualbox-guest-x11 ;-)
[11:48] <shadeslayer_> I'm full of food
[11:48] <shadeslayer_> so full
[11:48] <shadeslayer_> I want to sleep
[11:49] <Riddell> here have a free beer
[11:49] <Riddell> turns out the free beer is 0% alcohol so you can have it at lunch
[11:49] <shadeslayer_> is it?
[11:49] <Riddell> yep, it tastes mildy better than Estrella
[11:50] <shadeslayer_> most certainly doesn't feel like 0% alcohol last night
[11:50] <Riddell> yofel: ooh we're not duplicating work are we?
[11:51] <yofel> nope, thankfully kubotu does the status information nowadays ^^
[11:52] <Riddell> good good
[11:52] <yofel> Riddell: on that note: are you working on kdepim? If not I'll drop the 2 revert patches that shouldn't be there anymore
[11:53] <yofel> ah, stuff didn't even build yet, good
[11:55] <yofel> shadeslayer_: actually, do you remember why you added those to utopic? They were supposed to be trusty-only
[11:55] <shadeslayer_> yofel: where be patch page
[11:55] <Riddell> yofel: not looked at kdepim
[11:55] <yofel> on your work computer like your script :P
[11:56] <shadeslayer_> :P
[11:56] <shadeslayer_> hm
[11:56] <yofel> shadeslayer_: or well, they are on http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/patches/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[11:56] <shadeslayer_> yeah
[11:56] <shadeslayer_> history ftw
[11:57] <yofel> anyway, I'll drop them unless you have good reason to keep them
[11:58] <shadeslayer_> not really
[11:58] <yofel> FWIW, that status page is what made remember them in the first place, so good work :P
[11:58] <shadeslayer_> ^_^
[11:59] <santa> Riddell: I'm going to lunch soon, but I think I will be here this afternoon, if you have some minutes then we could talk a bit about what you wrote in your blog and specially about the shared git repository
[12:00] <santa> note that siduction's kde packaging has kubuntus packaging as upstream and I made some custom changes
[12:00] <Riddell> santa: sure
[12:01] <santa> ok
[12:04] <santa> what you are trying to do with the shared git repository:"been there done that" I have my own solution to deal with you (=kubuntu) as upstream and the way it works it would work even if you were extremely uncooperative with me (which is not the case fortunately)
[12:04] <santa> see you this afternoon
[12:09] <ScottK> Riddell: libkscreen is still verification needed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkscreen/+bug/1352397
[12:10] <apachelogger> yofel: there's no kdelibs on your status page btw
[12:10] <apachelogger> noticed last night
[12:10] <shadeslayer_> ^^
[12:11] <Riddell> ScottK: fixed
[12:11] <yofel> because I piped the output of the utopic package list into the script, which means it searched for kde4libs and kde-workspace (and others) aren't even on that list
[12:11] <ScottK> OK.
[12:12] <yofel> shadeslayer_'s script (which is in barca) does that right
[12:12] <yofel> (I assume)
[12:12] <shadeslayer_> yes
[12:12] <shadeslayer_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[12:13] <ScottK> Riddell: released.
[12:14] <Riddell> great, thanks
[12:16] <shadeslayer_> did I mention I'm sleepy
[12:16] <shadeslayer_> so sleepy
[12:16] <ScottK> Hot too?
[12:16] <Riddell> too much beer?
[12:16] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: hah no
[12:17] <shadeslayer_> swiss food
[12:17] <shadeslayer_> I can stay here forever
[12:17] <shadeslayer_> mountains, food, awesomeness
[12:17] <shadeslayer_> except the internet
[12:17] <shadeslayer_> the internet is shit
[12:19] <Riddell> it's a bit like barcelona but without the internet?
[12:30]  * Riddell looking at phonon
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: new phonon in utopic, what are your thoughts on where it should be backported?
[13:08] <yofel> Riddell: do we have a TODO list for discussion at Akademy yet?
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: needs SRU imo
[13:09] <Riddell> hmm.. I started it
[13:09] <Riddell> yofel: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy
[13:09] <Riddell> not much on it
[13:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: on what grounds? are there known bugs
[13:09] <Riddell> ?
[13:09] <yofel> thanks
[13:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: all the ones that I fixed
[13:10] <apachelogger> and yes there are known bugs in whatever snapshot we had in trusty
[13:10] <apachelogger> phonon and phonon-vlc even are basically stable updates
[13:10] <apachelogger> no features at all
[13:13] <Riddell> yep
[13:13] <Riddell> ok I'll try and do that and see what ~ubuntu-sru say
[13:13] <apachelogger> cheers
[14:04] <allee> Riddell: you asked in #plasma ;-)  Not much change lately.  I've played/tested digikam: only the management functions, not the editor, not the kipi-plugins) not problem yet. 
[14:05] <allee> Riddell: the few necessary changes to push to my launchpad account (linked from bugreport too)
[14:07] <Riddell> allee: let me know when I need to look/upload
[14:07] <allee> When you check the backlog of this channel you see that I've tried to figure out why kdepimlibs is not enabled.    I remember that you could associate a tag with an addressbook.   Now no menu entry :-(
[14:07] <allee> Riddell: will do so
[14:08] <allee> Riddell: a look never hurts.  Maybe you spot easily stuff that also need to be done
[14:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: hi?
[14:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: silent phone call?
[14:18] <apachelogger> bookzilla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkYf
[14:26] <bookzilla> excellent
[14:37] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'll send that mail after today's meeting, to see first how things go
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> can you recommend me any other people that would be right for this?
[14:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I'd post to the kde-community list
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: it will be in 17-19 Oct.
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> aha
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[14:39] <Riddell> I've done this sort of thing with [ade] before in nigeria and various people in india
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> unfourtanetly, I don't think KDE promotion won't be one of the main activities. But I'd like for it to be, and I'll do I'll I can to achieve this.
[14:41] <Riddell> mostly it's a case of pinging anyone you can to see if they'll be interested
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> the main point of interest is software development and IT startups
[14:42] <Riddell> but first you need to say what the event is, what's it called, what's the topics, what's the format etc
[14:42] <ovidiu-florin> yeah, but I only know about 3 people, that I think will be right for the job, people that I've seen that make lot's of KDE promo online
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: yes, all those will be set in time, currenlty they are just a sketch
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> todays meeting should fill in a lot of that sketch
[14:44] <Riddell> two months before the event is leaving it tight if you don't even know what sort of event it is you want
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> it is know, just not by me. I mean I don't know all the details yet
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not the main organizer
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> I'll most likely be the main organizer of the OpenSource part
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> I hope
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> it is known*
[14:46] <Riddell> is there a venue? what sort of venue? is there a website? are there sponsors? will entrace be free or cost money?  lots of questions :)
[14:48] <Riddell> hmm libokularcore has an soversion change
[14:49] <apachelogger> bookzilla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Uxgb-Boh4
[14:49] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: let me write those down
[14:54] <Riddell> will speakers get stuff like a hotel and meals sorted for them?
[14:54] <Riddell> will speakers get a free canoe hire to go on the danube?
[14:55] <Riddell> all these questions
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: keep them comming (the questions)
[14:55] <bookzilla> the latter question being the most important, obviously
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the Danube is pretty far from where the event will take place
[14:57] <Riddell> is there easy travel to get there?
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> Timișoara, Romania
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> we have an international airport here
[14:57] <Riddell> who's the audience? at promo type conferences I've done before in canary islands, india and nigeria there's a university group that supplies the majority of the audience so people are guaranteed
[15:00] <Riddell> ScottK: lintian moans about pykde4  python3-pykde4: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py
[15:00] <Riddell> know anything about that?
[15:00] <Riddell> presumably it needs the #! line changed to python3
[15:00] <ScottK> Does that have a python shebang?
[15:00] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:02] <ScottK> Not sure why the doesn't get rewritten.
[15:08]  * Riddell takes off for the evening
[15:09] <Riddell> leaving smokeqt to be fixed some other time
[15:17] <bookzilla> how can you leave for the evening when it is afternoon here in Switzerland
[15:18] <bookzilla> Riddell: I would like us to offer the Fira font recommended by Eike Hein: https://github.com/mozilla/Fira
[15:18] <bookzilla> fedora already offers it and I'm jealous
[15:33] <yofel> @§(§/&"/("§=))$) upstart
[15:33] <yofel> *sigh*
[15:39] <yofel> could someone with trusty please run this:
[15:39] <yofel> qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart /com/ubuntu/Upstart com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.version 
[15:39] <yofel> just curious
[15:41] <apachelogger> bookzilla: ^
[15:42] <bookzilla> $ qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart /com/ubuntu/Upstart com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.version
[15:42] <bookzilla> init (upstart 1.12.1)
[15:42] <yofel> @"§$IJRR§I
[15:42] <yofel> thanks valorie
[15:43] <yofel> so I *again* don't have suspend
[15:43] <yofel> guess why
[15:43] <yofel> $ qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart /com/ubuntu/Upstart com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.version 
[15:43] <yofel> upstart 1.13.1
[15:43] <yofel> apachelogger: do you have a better idea than this?
[15:43] <yofel> -    QRegExp exp("init \\(upstart ([0-9.]+)\\)");
[15:43] <yofel> +    QRegExp exp("(?:init \\()?upstart ([0-9.]+)(?:\\))?");
[15:45] <apachelogger> yofel: didn't we patch that?
[15:45] <yofel> we patched the number parsing, now the "init(...)" stuff is gone
[15:45] <yofel> and we use excactMatch() for the pattern
[15:46] <yofel> *exact
[15:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:55] <yofel> apachelogger: with context: http://paste.kde.org/pmviozowt - tested with http://paste.kde.org/pqhltg14m which prints true.
[15:55] <yofel> If you don't come up with something better I'll throw it up on RB later
[16:05] <apachelogger> yofel: .......................................
[16:06] <apachelogger> yofel: regex probably is the way to go
[16:06] <ovidiu-florin> open folder from downloads in firefox still broken
[16:06] <ovidiu-florin> in kubuntu 14.04
[16:41] <shadeslayer_> most curious 
[16:41] <shadeslayer_> Service 'com.ubuntu.Upstart' does not exist.
[16:54] <debfx> probably got eaten by systemd
[16:54] <debfx> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bZId5j2jREQ/U-vlysklvCI/AAAAAAAACrA/B4JggkVJi38/w426-h284/bd0fb252416206158627fb0b1bff9b4779dca13f.gif
[16:54] <debfx> ;)
[16:55] <yofel> lol
[18:15] <yofel> apachelogger: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119791/
[18:24] <santa> hi Riddell
[18:24] <santa> I have been preparing a reply to your post
[18:26] <santa> additionally I would like to ask you a couple of things: what about splitting the monolithic script to prepare new released into smaller ones?
[18:27] <santa> for instance I have a separace script to bump all the build depends and having it separated might work better to shared them among kubuntu debian and siduction
[18:28] <santa> also I found that approach easier to debug
[19:36] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/0tXiQ20
[19:39] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://192.168.1.59:8000/IMG_20140814_152459.jpg
[19:46] <yofel> shadeslayer_: getting into black and white photography? ^^
[19:48] <bookzilla> I <3 B&W film, and working in a darkroom
[19:48] <bookzilla> but no darkroom access any more
[19:48] <yofel> hm, after reading kevin and raymond's responses to the packaging post I do wonder what happened to updating bluez...
[20:02] <soee> gimmp using ~850 mb for single file editing .. not good :|
[20:54] <jmux> Should kubuntu-backports for trusty contain 4:4.13.97? Thought that would be in kubuntu backports beta...
[21:08] <yofel> jmux: it shouldn't, jr copied it to the wrong archive, but with 4.14.0 imminent we rather fixed all issues instead of deleting it
[21:22] <soee> uhm drkonqi crashes when i want to raport a bug
[21:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: ^
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> that's a feature
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> not a bug
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> developers hate bugs
[21:35] <soee> :)
[21:36] <soee> btw is there some translation server for KDE ?
[21:36] <soee> i see some/ a lot of / missing translations 
[21:37] <soee> i would like to add some but dont know where -.-
[21:39] <shadeslayer_> soee: plasma 5?
[21:39] <soee> shadeslayer_: crash / translations ?
[21:40] <shadeslayer_> crash
[21:40] <soee> shadeslayer_: yes, though i wonder if it might be related to the crash type i want to report -> the System Settings -> Multimedia
[21:58] <apachelogger> soee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/1328466
[21:58] <apachelogger> kameloso^^^^^^^^: can you please fix your connection