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MichaelPno one answer in #ubuntu+1 for over 2 hours....   fresh iinstall kubuntu 14.10 plasma 5... power managerr is locked out ... Power management configuration modul could not be loaded. The power Management service appears not to be running. This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside statup and shutdown... startup and shutdown.. poer management already running01:04
nosoundIs Kubuntu the most popular KDE distro? I know there's a fair number of SUSE users but in statistics SUSE seems to be pretty much non-existent.01:05
MichaelPnosound: by distrowatch.. go... debian,,, mageia fedora opensuse01:09
nosoundMichaelP: distrowatch is an awful metric, the reddit and steam survey paint a very different picture01:10
MichaelPMy 2 distro's of choice is arch and kubuntu01:12
MichaelPanother good one is Sabayon01:16
nosoundI don't see why people use arch beyond experiental systems, I like distros that "just werk" so I can spend my time getting actual work done... or playing games... mmmm GPU passthrough01:18
nosoundHow's 14.10 progressing? Goign to be done completely by release?01:19
nosoundIt's using 5 isn't it?01:20
MichaelPit upgrades to kde 4.14 beta2... everyone think 5 is kde.. there is no kde 5 yet... kde frameworks plasma5...01:31
MichaelPPlasma 5 is an extra repo01:31
nosoundya the component naming is confusing to outsiders01:31
MichaelPIt's just different things sitting on top of Qt01:37
nosoundI've heard Qt people say KDE is a pig, maybe LXQt will make the ones who want a tuny Qt desktop happy, KDE's companion instead of rival hopefully, pushing Qt as a whole is a good thing, I like it more than GTK, much more01:38
MichaelPLxQt is qt and gtk01:48
nosoundwell the goal is pure qt01:49
MichaelPyeah but it not there yet... they still port from the old lx01:49
MichaelPmy kde is at 660 mb ram right now with konversation and firefox loged into facebook and another tab open01:51
nosoundWhich is huge in the AMR world of 512MB to 2GB01:51
nosoundalthough 4GB is becomming common01:51
MichaelPim only on a 3.2 ghz P4 dual core 32 x86 with 1500 mb ram...01:55
mihaкуды я папал?02:57
Unit193!ru | miha03:01
ubottumiha: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.03:01
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noaccelSooo  I installed FGLRX and now things are soo slow I can barely move windows. no 2d or 3d acceleration... this makes no sense, I've never had a problem before06:00
noaccelI ran aticonfig --initial and that did nothing06:01
noaccelis there a repo like xorg edgers with fglrx06:08
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ElenchHello, I'm trying to use stumpwm on Kubuntu, but it always just mirrors my screens, I think it's probably something to do with how KDM works, but can't figure out what, anyone happen to have fixed such an issue?07:19
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cireHi, I just installed 14.04. When changing volume by using mousewheel over taskbar mixer icon, I hear this bubbling sound. How can this get disabled?08:31
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kdeuser56 where the svg's of the ticks are stored, when you tick something in plasma, like in networkmanager? they do not seem to be in the breeze theme folder ...10:44
kdeuser56sorry about the word order :-(10:44
nyc5555kdeuser10:47
nyc5555don't be sad10:48
BluesKajHiyas all11:23
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alvinThat's weird. I see 2 swap lines in /etc/fstab (fresh install), but no swap is active.12:05
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jubo2uhh guise..12:38
jubo2what's this "download kubuntu" into startpage.com and it brings up the download page12:38
jubo2it suggests 32-bit12:38
jubo2I assume it's a 32-bit system that uses 36-bit address space as per usual12:39
jubo2are the driver supply so bad for 64-bit systems or why this recommendation12:39
jubo2how much is that btw..12:42
jubo2*python shell*12:42
tsimpsonjubo2: the only reason 32bit is recommended is because it works on both 32 and 64bit CPUs12:46
hateballI don't see why it should be recommended for modern systems however12:50
hateballHow many new machines have <4GB ram and so on...12:51
tsimpsonthere are still machines sold that have 32bit CPUs12:54
tsimpsonit's not even so much about RAM size, as all recent kernels have PAE support enabled12:55
jubo2and PAE is the escaping to 36-bit right ?12:55
yofelright12:56
jubo2This machine cannot have more memory than 2GB ( tnx goes to Sam sung )12:56
jubo2And I'm already downloading the 32-bit version12:56
jubo2Will the MySQL be compatible between 32-bit and 64-bit machines .. that's only thing of significance if irc and KDE and LibreOffice run reasonably fast12:57
jubo2I gonna burn the .iso to an USB stick and see how Kubuntu14 works with just 2GB of RAM12:58
jubo2I have like Ubuntu 12, Debian6, Debian7 which I'm going to remove from the HDD and just put on Kubuntu14 if it runs well enough12:59
jubo2Uhh people..13:03
jubo2https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto doesn't show how to do it in shell13:03
jubo2just with some skimpy GUIs13:03
jubo2was it just 'sudo cp sourceimg.iso /dev/sdb' and one is done ?13:03
jubo2I checked with 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' that /dev/sdb is the right disk13:04
yofelit's 'sudo dd if=sourceimg.iso of=/dev/sdb' - and be *very* careful that sdb is what you want13:05
hateballtsimpson: well you still have memory limit per process, cpu features etc... I know there are 32-bit machines being sold, but surely the majority of the standard desktop users use 64-bit13:05
jubo2yofel: yeah.. it's gonna start writing from start of device not giving any attention if there was something worth preserving htere13:06
tsimpsonsure, but you have an option that works on 100% of systems or an option that works on less than 100% of systems13:06
tsimpsonso you recommend the one that will work over the one that will *probably* work13:06
tsimpsonnot saying it won't change in future releases, but this is just the rational13:06
hateballI can understand the reason, but it would be nice if the download page had something explaining this reasoning13:07
jubo2What about when you want more then 64GB of RAM..13:07
jubo2then you'll prlly be happier camper with the 64-bit version13:07
hateballTo be fair, if you want more than 64GB of RAM then you're probably the type of user that knows to pick 64-bit ;D13:08
jubo2hateball: xaxaxa13:08
jubo2burning the image to stick now13:10
jubo2One day..13:11
jubo2One day I'll be so rich I can afford a machine with fast CPU, enough RAM and SSD and over 5 hrs of battery life13:11
jubo2THese compumfgrs are sometimes idiot13:12
jubo2like if you buy extra batteries13:12
jubo2do you get a 15cm "Hook this to your machine for some more teslajuice without shutdown, remove battery, attach another battery, boot up OS and apps"-cable13:12
jubo2No sir-ee, they don't13:13
teyohello13:19
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jubo2Off to boot of the live stick13:46
jubo2I think I'll install Konversation on it13:47
jubo2just to be destroyed after use13:47
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jubo2the bootup from USB2.0 stick is slow13:53
jubo2but that's just the slowness of the stick13:54
jubo2Now I prlly just want to open tens of tabs and look at 'top' on how the RAM is holding out in amount13:54
jubo2damn..13:56
jubo2Where do I find a shell in the Kubuntu14-04.1 livecd ?13:57
jubo2there.. doesn't.. seem.. to be one13:57
jubo2ah i c it now.. the search-field embedded in the desktop13:58
jubo2and there seems to be huge scrollable list of apps13:58
jubo2I find myself a bit lost looking for how to get to the shell13:59
hateballjubo2: alt+f2 -> konsole13:59
hateballor click the K-menu thing and type konsole13:59
* genii makes more coffee13:59
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* jubo2 sips his coffee with the hi-fi organic fairtrade cane sugar14:00
jubo2one could ask "Why?"14:00
jubo2Finlan grows plenty of sugar root14:00
jubo2I was just in the mood for the hi-fiest sugar the store carries14:01
jubo2onlyonly 120MB free RAM14:03
jubo2with LibreOffice and FireFox running almost empty14:03
jubo2doesn't look good in day-to-day use14:03
jubo2Really verb you guys at Sam sung for bannhammering 4GB SODIMM combs from your 2011 product14:04
hateballjubo2: well you have to take into account that you're livebooting now....14:05
jubo2hateball: good point14:05
jubo2the root filesystem is in RAM ?14:05
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tsimpsonit's all in RAM during a live boot14:16
filip_hej hej14:49
filip_ngn där?14:54
filip_anyone there?14:54
bookzillawe're here; what is your question?14:55
filip_ I like to go to a forum where singles chat with eachother14:55
filip_how do I do14:55
filip_=14:55
filip_?14:55
filip_whats this place?14:55
geniiHm.15:02
bookzillahuh15:08
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lordievaderGood afternoon.15:51
cccp3Hello, just swapped onto Kubuntu after liking KDE so much I had to switch over16:18
cccp3It's elegant, and fast + looks great! what else would I want?16:18
mikael_lol16:18
bookzillacccp3: agreed16:19
mikael_which command registers my nickname?16:19
mikael_new 2 irc lol ;)16:19
bookzilla!register16:19
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode16:19
cccp3 the command is: /ns register (password) (email) IIRC16:19
cccp3Or it might be the other way, IDK16:20
mikael_k, i am running the Konversation client for linux16:20
bookzillaas am I16:20
cccp3It doesnt matter with IRC clients, just type the command (with the '/' !)16:21
bookzillavery easy to configure it to join your favorite servers, channels, auto-auth you, etc.16:21
mikael_so the right command is: /register *nickname* xxxxx@xxx.com16:21
cccp3into the text box16:21
mikael_?16:21
cccp3yea16:21
cccp3or the other way around16:21
bookzillathe link ubottu gave you is complete and accurate16:21
cccp3No no no16:21
cccp3it actually is /ns (password here) (email)16:22
cccp3it actually is /ns register (password here) (email)16:22
mikael_where do i write my desired nick?16:22
bookzilla!nick16:23
ubottuYour nick is how people know you on IRC. Please don't change your nicknames too often (use /nick newnick), or it creates a lot of confusion. You should also !register your nick with freenode.16:23
bookzillahaha16:23
bookzillanot much info there16:23
cccp3Do you want to register the nick "mikael_" or something else?16:23
mikael_"brokep" i want for nick16:24
cccp3ok then do /nick brokep16:24
cccp3okay?16:24
mikael_k, so the whole command line will be?16:24
cccp3 /nick brokep16:24
cccp3then16:24
cccp3 /ns register <password> <email>16:25
cccp3If that order of password and email doesnt work, swap it.16:25
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cccp3ok now do16:27
brokep77i have managed to change my username, how do i register it?16:27
bookzilla!register16:27
cccp3Do: /ns register <password here> <email here>16:27
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode16:27
bookzillaagain16:27
bookzillabrokep77: ^^^16:28
cccp3look at the chat BEFORE you post16:28
brokep77i wanted brokep but thas was used, no such name in the list though??16:28
cccp3It was used by someone else16:28
NDSbrokep77 first come first serve:)16:28
bookzillafreenode is one of the largest IRC servers in the world16:29
cccp3nicknames are not just for this channel, they are global over the server16:29
bookzillalots and lots of nicks16:29
cccp3^^^16:29
brokep77ah, everyone must know who brokep is?16:29
bookzillano idea16:29
bookzilladoesn't matter16:29
lordievader!register | brokep7716:29
ubottubrokep77: Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode16:29
bookzillayou can16:29
cccp3^^16:29
bookzillat register a nick someone else has registered16:29
cccp3!register | brokep7716:29
brokep77ok, which is the biggest channel to chat in?16:30
NDSlol16:30
cccp3If you need help, go to #freenode16:30
bookzillathat would be #ubuntu, but that channel, like this one is for support16:30
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bookzillanot idle chat16:30
cccp3Not for idle chat, exactly16:30
cccp3Look at the topic or do /topic16:31
NDSjoin #freeroom. i think its the biggest chat room with almost 2000 users16:31
cccp3Okay goin16:31
anakataYou cannot use your nickname as a password?16:32
bookzillaanakata: please read the provided link16:32
BluesKajyou can but why?16:32
cccp3He was a troll16:32
cccp3NDS trolled me!!16:32
NDSim not a troll . i lied:P16:33
cccp3LIAR16:33
bookzillastop this now16:33
NDSthats somewhat ok16:33
cccp3No it aint16:33
bookzillastay on topic, or leave16:33
NDSok. sorry i didnt read the rules16:33
BluesKajok guys, let's keep this on topic please16:33
cccp3Rule ignorer!16:33
bookzillacccp3: stop now16:33
cccp3Kay16:33
BluesKajdo you have any kubuntu support questions?16:34
cccp3no16:34
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NDSmany softwares in ubuntu software centre is not uptodate (old version). how can i report it?16:35
bookzillaNDS: that depends on what version you run16:36
NDS14.0416:36
bookzillanew versions can often not be backported successfully16:36
brokep1more users of ubuntu 14.04 LTS?16:36
bookzillawhen updated versions are packaged, they are backported when possible16:37
bookzillabrokep1: this is a kubuntu support channel16:37
brokep1my band, which channel for Ubuntu?16:37
bookzilla#ubuntu is for all of the Ubuntu community, but especially for Unity users16:37
brokep1bad16:37
bookzillathere are "flavor" support chans16:38
lordievader!alis | brokep116:40
ubottubrokep1: alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" . For more help or questions relating to alis, please join #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* or /msg alis list *http*16:40
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jubo2So piippöls .. moment of figuring out which lang to use in the new Kubuntu16:51
jubo2I can has Finnish kbrd maps etc without choosing Finnish as the OS lang16:51
jubo2I like totally haet Offices in Finnish16:51
jubo2I install with English and hope I get the right kbrd maps etc.16:52
jubo2yes.. I see it as a stage in the installation process16:53
jubo2babblebabblebabble16:53
jubo2I hope I h4x this partition setup17:00
jubo2with.. uhh.. was it fdisk..17:00
jubo2or was that on windows17:00
jubo2anyways.. tricky shit. any fuckup might lead to problems17:00
jubo2for a machine with 2GB RAM I want to set SWAP to 3GB approx ?17:02
jubo2I put 4GB to get on with it.. got almost 200GB free after that17:03
lordievaderjubo2: Watch your language, this is  a family friendly channel.17:03
jubo2lordievader: yup.. thought I was in ##learnanylanguage17:04
jubo2sry for the lang17:04
jubo2I try not to swear when children are about17:04
lordievaderjubo2: Simply don't use foul language here.17:05
jubo2lordievader: ok.. I will comply in the future17:05
jubo2hmm..17:07
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jubo2moment of truth17:30
jubo2Fresh Kubuntu14 on an Intel Atom ( 2011 ) with 2GB of RAM17:30
jubo2what will the top say17:30
jubo2691MB free with no office and no firefox17:31
jubo2I'd say it might even run with office and browser17:31
jubo2ah.. bubble tells me theres security upgrades17:32
jubo2yeah.. gonna run that 1st thing before I start doing anything else17:32
jubo2#mmm progress bar in 'sudo apt upgrade' me like! me like!17:34
jubo2I find this little confusing that this channel looks the same from freenode and from Ubuntu IRC17:38
Unit193jubo2: irc.ubuntu.com > chat.freenode.net, use dig and you'll see it's a CNAME.17:39
jubo2Unit Hundert Drei und Neunzigh Ich ferstehe nicht was sie sagst17:40
yofeljubo2: ubuntu irc is just an alias for freenode17:45
jubo2I discon that then17:47
jubo2farewell juboelf17:47
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jubo2Thank you very much for the great OS18:24
jubo2Is there somewhere like a video or something I could watch to teach me how to operate this thing18:24
jubo2I was used to whatever KDE shipped with Debian7.318:24
bprompthmmm w0t?18:27
bpromptjubo2:    what do you mean?18:28
bpromptjubo2:    kde is kde, debian or whatever elsel18:28
jubo2bprompt: but different OS have different generation code18:28
jubo2now that I added more desktops I see what ctrl-f8 and ctrl-f10 have different18:30
bpromptjubo2:     well... maybe.... but kde is still the same, kde, so menus and configurations are pretty much the same... I mean I used to run kde in fedora as well as in SuSE 9.2,  is just that back then it was kde 3.2 or so, 14.4 kubuntu uses kde 4.12 I think18:30
jubo2there should be a keyboard short cut for the "search"-screen/desktop thingyt18:30
bpromptjubo2:    what are you looking for?18:31
jubo2and there should be a keyboard short cut for "show me all windows of the active program"18:31
jubo2but I trust I can tune these when I'm feeling up to configuring the KDE18:31
bpromptjubo2:     I think the taskbar will simply "group" the same app windows18:31
jubo2and why-o-why there still doesn't seem to be "bring all windows of this program to top of stack" ... that'd be so handy for getting all the konsole windows to front at once18:32
bpromptjubo2:    you can just open tabs in konsole...rather than windows btw18:33
jubo2bprompt: I know but I like to see 2 konsoles at once18:34
jubo2it helps work flow18:34
jubo2and more if I have more displays18:34
bprompthmm18:34
bpromptdunno    but there are a few windows I like to be visible at all times... for quick access... thus I set them to be 'always on top"18:35
noaccelfglrx is weird, i install, does not work, purge and reinstall, works18:40
bprompthehh18:41
jubo2The control-F10 apparently does same thing as hitting the bar on the top-right corner, to left of resize button and close button 'X' and it's a very good way to navigate just a lot of visual strain18:48
jubo2couldn't I have traditional bar of open apps ?18:49
bpromptjubo2:    I tihnk that'd be what the taskbar is for18:55
jubo2bprompt: where should I see this taskbar ?18:57
jubo2owait.. I need to turn it on in the System Settings18:58
jubo2to be honest I've been looking so much at screens today18:58
jubo2eaten a 200g pizza tuned with 125g of mozzarella and 100g of cherry plum tomatoes, 1.5l cola and 5 mugs of coffee18:58
jubo2but now I'm going to install the AMP portion of the LAMP18:59
jubo2this is a breeze because - daa-da-daa-daa - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Ubuntu19:00
bprompthmm19:00
Picijust as an fyi: wikipedia's servers run on Ubuntu :)19:01
bpromptjubo2:    I think a lot of  what you're trying to configure may just be in "system settings > workspace appearance and behaviour" section, specifically the last two listed there, window and workspace behaviour19:01
bpromptfyi    so does facebook =)19:01
Picialso, my servers19:02
bpromptwell... not true....  I think they run centOS19:02
jubo2My servers run Debian19:05
jubo2now all my desktops are Kubuntu1419:05
noacceli used to LAMP, but now I just LG... Linux and Go. :)19:10
jubo2so now for the really advanced stuff..19:15
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jubo2where do I set desktop wallpaper ?19:15
bpromptjubo2:    I think a lot of  what you're trying to configure may just be in "system settings > workspace appearance and behaviour" section, specifically the last two listed there, window and workspace behaviour19:16
jubo2I have the corners wired now the way I like them ( all apps - top left ) ( all desktops - top-right ) and ( desktop - bottom left )19:16
bpromptjubo2:     desktop appearance19:17
bpromptwoops  ahemm     workspace appearance > desktop theme19:17
jubo2's complicated to see ..19:19
jubo2Salutations BluesKaj19:19
jubo2bprompt: the most important would be to get a task bar19:20
bpromptjubo2:     keep in mind that is kde 4.13 , no kde 3.5 =)19:20
jubo2bprompt: yeah yeah yeah but the "smallen everything till it fits on the display"-navigational method is real strain on visual parts of the brain19:21
jubo2I mean obviously I want that when I take mouse to top-left corner but that I cannot navigate from app to app without that strain19:22
jubo2old fashioned task bar - can has ?19:22
jubo2then it'd be a killer GUI19:24
yofelhm, you're running netbook?19:25
jubo2yes19:25
jubo21200 x 800 only19:25
jubo2then again the display doesn't look like an 4:319:25
yofelif there's no way to add a default panel in the right click context menu on the screen:19:26
yofelsystem settings > workspace behavior > workspace > worspace type: desktop19:26
yofelthat should give you classic kde desktop with the bottom panel19:27
yofel*you the19:27
yofelif you like the search and launch desktop you can change the layout to that in the desktop settings after that19:28
jubo2yofel: tnx.. that put me in the old-mode KDE19:28
jubo2and the corners.. they should remain intact19:28
jubo2yess.. great justice19:28
yofelI hope so..19:28
jubo2Now that I have FF on all my desktop systems I want that bookmarks sync thingy19:30
jubo2/j #firefox19:31
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noaccelAnyone notice Steam is buggy with KWin? It behaves just fine with OpenBox/XFWM, hmmm.20:28
noaccelWhen I minimize steam it keeps drawing on the screen even though the window is not up.20:29
noaccelBy setting it to always in bakcgroudn it no longer interfers with anything, but it's strange.20:29
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keithzgHuh, odd. I vaguely remember getting something like that some time ago, but haven't seen that in a while, it's actually been quite smooth for me.20:57
keithzgIn fact, as of late I've had weird rendering issues with Steam when booting into Windows, but not on Linux, heh.20:58
noaccelsteam on windows trys really hard to install the steam service, which  is pretty much spyware...20:59
keithzgThe only reason I'd ever boot into Windows at home would be to run games which are invariably through Steam, so I can't say that worries me a ton ;)21:00
noaccelon linux it's pretty wel behaved beyond snoping aorund the home folder21:00
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apol_shadeslayer_: sarfrazramay: hey22:28
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hellslingerhas anyone been able to make firefox downloads use dolphin (and not nautilus) without having to replace nautilus with a symlink or any hacks like that?22:41

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