[01:04] <MichaelP> no one answer in #ubuntu+1 for over 2 hours....   fresh iinstall kubuntu 14.10 plasma 5... power managerr is locked out ... Power management configuration modul could not be loaded. The power Management service appears not to be running. This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside statup and shutdown... startup and shutdown.. poer management already running
[01:05] <nosound> Is Kubuntu the most popular KDE distro? I know there's a fair number of SUSE users but in statistics SUSE seems to be pretty much non-existent.
[01:09] <MichaelP> nosound: by distrowatch.. go... debian,,, mageia fedora opensuse
[01:10] <nosound> MichaelP: distrowatch is an awful metric, the reddit and steam survey paint a very different picture
[01:12] <MichaelP> My 2 distro's of choice is arch and kubuntu
[01:16] <MichaelP> another good one is Sabayon
[01:18] <nosound> I don't see why people use arch beyond experiental systems, I like distros that "just werk" so I can spend my time getting actual work done... or playing games... mmmm GPU passthrough
[01:19] <nosound> How's 14.10 progressing? Goign to be done completely by release?
[01:20] <nosound> It's using 5 isn't it?
[01:31] <MichaelP> it upgrades to kde 4.14 beta2... everyone think 5 is kde.. there is no kde 5 yet... kde frameworks plasma5...
[01:31] <MichaelP> Plasma 5 is an extra repo
[01:31] <nosound> ya the component naming is confusing to outsiders
[01:37] <MichaelP> It's just different things sitting on top of Qt
[01:38] <nosound> I've heard Qt people say KDE is a pig, maybe LXQt will make the ones who want a tuny Qt desktop happy, KDE's companion instead of rival hopefully, pushing Qt as a whole is a good thing, I like it more than GTK, much more
[01:48] <MichaelP> LxQt is qt and gtk
[01:49] <nosound> well the goal is pure qt
[01:49] <MichaelP> yeah but it not there yet... they still port from the old lx
[01:51] <MichaelP> my kde is at 660 mb ram right now with konversation and firefox loged into facebook and another tab open
[01:51] <nosound> Which is huge in the AMR world of 512MB to 2GB
[01:51] <nosound> although 4GB is becomming common
[01:55] <MichaelP> im only on a 3.2 ghz P4 dual core 32 x86 with 1500 mb ram...
[02:57] <miha> куды я папал?
[03:01] <Unit193> !ru | miha
[06:00] <noaccel> Sooo  I installed FGLRX and now things are soo slow I can barely move windows. no 2d or 3d acceleration... this makes no sense, I've never had a problem before
[06:01] <noaccel> I ran aticonfig --initial and that did nothing
[06:08] <noaccel> is there a repo like xorg edgers with fglrx
[07:19] <Elench> Hello, I'm trying to use stumpwm on Kubuntu, but it always just mirrors my screens, I think it's probably something to do with how KDM works, but can't figure out what, anyone happen to have fixed such an issue?
[08:31] <cire> Hi, I just installed 14.04. When changing volume by using mousewheel over taskbar mixer icon, I hear this bubbling sound. How can this get disabled?
[10:44] <kdeuser56>  where the svg's of the ticks are stored, when you tick something in plasma, like in networkmanager? they do not seem to be in the breeze theme folder ...
[10:44] <kdeuser56> sorry about the word order :-(
[10:47] <nyc5555> kdeuser
[10:48] <nyc5555> don't be sad
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:05] <alvin> That's weird. I see 2 swap lines in /etc/fstab (fresh install), but no swap is active.
[12:38] <jubo2> uhh guise..
[12:38] <jubo2> what's this "download kubuntu" into startpage.com and it brings up the download page
[12:38] <jubo2> it suggests 32-bit
[12:39] <jubo2> I assume it's a 32-bit system that uses 36-bit address space as per usual
[12:39] <jubo2> are the driver supply so bad for 64-bit systems or why this recommendation
[12:42] <jubo2> how much is that btw..
[12:42] <jubo2> *python shell*
[12:46] <tsimpson> jubo2: the only reason 32bit is recommended is because it works on both 32 and 64bit CPUs
[12:50] <hateball> I don't see why it should be recommended for modern systems however
[12:51] <hateball> How many new machines have <4GB ram and so on...
[12:54] <tsimpson> there are still machines sold that have 32bit CPUs
[12:55] <tsimpson> it's not even so much about RAM size, as all recent kernels have PAE support enabled
[12:55] <jubo2> and PAE is the escaping to 36-bit right ?
[12:56] <yofel> right
[12:56] <jubo2> This machine cannot have more memory than 2GB ( tnx goes to Sam sung )
[12:56] <jubo2> And I'm already downloading the 32-bit version
[12:57] <jubo2> Will the MySQL be compatible between 32-bit and 64-bit machines .. that's only thing of significance if irc and KDE and LibreOffice run reasonably fast
[12:58] <jubo2> I gonna burn the .iso to an USB stick and see how Kubuntu14 works with just 2GB of RAM
[12:59] <jubo2> I have like Ubuntu 12, Debian6, Debian7 which I'm going to remove from the HDD and just put on Kubuntu14 if it runs well enough
[13:03] <jubo2> Uhh people..
[13:03] <jubo2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto doesn't show how to do it in shell
[13:03] <jubo2> just with some skimpy GUIs
[13:03] <jubo2> was it just 'sudo cp sourceimg.iso /dev/sdb' and one is done ?
[13:04] <jubo2> I checked with 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' that /dev/sdb is the right disk
[13:05] <yofel> it's 'sudo dd if=sourceimg.iso of=/dev/sdb' - and be *very* careful that sdb is what you want
[13:05] <hateball> tsimpson: well you still have memory limit per process, cpu features etc... I know there are 32-bit machines being sold, but surely the majority of the standard desktop users use 64-bit
[13:06] <jubo2> yofel: yeah.. it's gonna start writing from start of device not giving any attention if there was something worth preserving htere
[13:06] <tsimpson> sure, but you have an option that works on 100% of systems or an option that works on less than 100% of systems
[13:06] <tsimpson> so you recommend the one that will work over the one that will *probably* work
[13:06] <tsimpson> not saying it won't change in future releases, but this is just the rational
[13:07] <hateball> I can understand the reason, but it would be nice if the download page had something explaining this reasoning
[13:07] <jubo2> What about when you want more then 64GB of RAM..
[13:07] <jubo2> then you'll prlly be happier camper with the 64-bit version
[13:08] <hateball> To be fair, if you want more than 64GB of RAM then you're probably the type of user that knows to pick 64-bit ;D
[13:08] <jubo2> hateball: xaxaxa
[13:10] <jubo2> burning the image to stick now
[13:11] <jubo2> One day..
[13:11] <jubo2> One day I'll be so rich I can afford a machine with fast CPU, enough RAM and SSD and over 5 hrs of battery life
[13:12] <jubo2> THese compumfgrs are sometimes idiot
[13:12] <jubo2> like if you buy extra batteries
[13:12] <jubo2> do you get a 15cm "Hook this to your machine for some more teslajuice without shutdown, remove battery, attach another battery, boot up OS and apps"-cable
[13:13] <jubo2> No sir-ee, they don't
[13:19] <teyo> hello
[13:46] <jubo2> Off to boot of the live stick
[13:47] <jubo2> I think I'll install Konversation on it
[13:47] <jubo2> just to be destroyed after use
[13:53] <jubo2> the bootup from USB2.0 stick is slow
[13:54] <jubo2> but that's just the slowness of the stick
[13:54] <jubo2> Now I prlly just want to open tens of tabs and look at 'top' on how the RAM is holding out in amount
[13:56] <jubo2> damn..
[13:57] <jubo2> Where do I find a shell in the Kubuntu14-04.1 livecd ?
[13:57] <jubo2> there.. doesn't.. seem.. to be one
[13:58] <jubo2> ah i c it now.. the search-field embedded in the desktop
[13:58] <jubo2> and there seems to be huge scrollable list of apps
[13:59] <jubo2> I find myself a bit lost looking for how to get to the shell
[13:59] <hateball> jubo2: alt+f2 -> konsole
[13:59] <hateball> or click the K-menu thing and type konsole
[13:59]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:00]  * jubo2 sips his coffee with the hi-fi organic fairtrade cane sugar
[14:00] <jubo2> one could ask "Why?"
[14:00] <jubo2> Finlan grows plenty of sugar root
[14:01] <jubo2> I was just in the mood for the hi-fiest sugar the store carries
[14:03] <jubo2> onlyonly 120MB free RAM
[14:03] <jubo2> with LibreOffice and FireFox running almost empty
[14:03] <jubo2> doesn't look good in day-to-day use
[14:04] <jubo2> Really verb you guys at Sam sung for bannhammering 4GB SODIMM combs from your 2011 product
[14:05] <hateball> jubo2: well you have to take into account that you're livebooting now....
[14:05] <jubo2> hateball: good point
[14:05] <jubo2> the root filesystem is in RAM ?
[14:16] <tsimpson> it's all in RAM during a live boot
[14:49] <filip_> hej hej
[14:54] <filip_> ngn där?
[14:54] <filip_> anyone there?
[14:55] <bookzilla> we're here; what is your question?
[14:55] <filip_>  I like to go to a forum where singles chat with eachother
[14:55] <filip_> how do I do
[14:55] <filip_> =
[14:55] <filip_> ?
[14:55] <filip_> whats this place?
[15:02] <genii> Hm.
[15:08] <bookzilla> huh
[15:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:18] <cccp3> Hello, just swapped onto Kubuntu after liking KDE so much I had to switch over
[16:18] <cccp3> It's elegant, and fast + looks great! what else would I want?
[16:18] <mikael_> lol
[16:19] <bookzilla> cccp3: agreed
[16:19] <mikael_> which command registers my nickname?
[16:19] <mikael_> new 2 irc lol ;)
[16:19] <bookzilla> !register
[16:19] <cccp3>  the command is: /ns register (password) (email) IIRC
[16:20] <cccp3> Or it might be the other way, IDK
[16:20] <mikael_> k, i am running the Konversation client for linux
[16:20] <bookzilla> as am I
[16:21] <cccp3> It doesnt matter with IRC clients, just type the command (with the '/' !)
[16:21] <bookzilla> very easy to configure it to join your favorite servers, channels, auto-auth you, etc.
[16:21] <mikael_> so the right command is: /register *nickname* xxxxx@xxx.com
[16:21] <cccp3> into the text box
[16:21] <mikael_> ?
[16:21] <cccp3> yea
[16:21] <cccp3> or the other way around
[16:21] <bookzilla> the link ubottu gave you is complete and accurate
[16:21] <cccp3> No no no
[16:22] <cccp3> it actually is /ns (password here) (email)
[16:22] <cccp3> it actually is /ns register (password here) (email)
[16:22] <mikael_> where do i write my desired nick?
[16:23] <bookzilla> !nick
[16:23] <bookzilla> haha
[16:23] <bookzilla> not much info there
[16:23] <cccp3> Do you want to register the nick "mikael_" or something else?
[16:24] <mikael_> "brokep" i want for nick
[16:24] <cccp3> ok then do /nick brokep
[16:24] <cccp3> okay?
[16:24] <mikael_> k, so the whole command line will be?
[16:24] <cccp3>  /nick brokep
[16:24] <cccp3> then
[16:25] <cccp3>  /ns register <password> <email>
[16:25] <cccp3> If that order of password and email doesnt work, swap it.
[16:27] <cccp3> ok now do
[16:27] <brokep77> i have managed to change my username, how do i register it?
[16:27] <bookzilla> !register
[16:27] <cccp3> Do: /ns register <password here> <email here>
[16:27] <bookzilla> again
[16:28] <bookzilla> brokep77: ^^^
[16:28] <cccp3> look at the chat BEFORE you post
[16:28] <brokep77> i wanted brokep but thas was used, no such name in the list though??
[16:28] <cccp3> It was used by someone else
[16:28] <NDS> brokep77 first come first serve:)
[16:29] <bookzilla> freenode is one of the largest IRC servers in the world
[16:29] <cccp3> nicknames are not just for this channel, they are global over the server
[16:29] <bookzilla> lots and lots of nicks
[16:29] <cccp3> ^^^
[16:29] <brokep77> ah, everyone must know who brokep is?
[16:29] <bookzilla> no idea
[16:29] <bookzilla> doesn't matter
[16:29] <lordievader> !register | brokep77
[16:29] <bookzilla> you can
[16:29] <cccp3> ^^
[16:29] <bookzilla> t register a nick someone else has registered
[16:29] <cccp3> !register | brokep77
[16:30] <brokep77> ok, which is the biggest channel to chat in?
[16:30] <NDS> lol
[16:30] <cccp3> If you need help, go to #freenode
[16:30] <bookzilla> that would be #ubuntu, but that channel, like this one is for support
[16:30] <bookzilla> not idle chat
[16:30] <cccp3> Not for idle chat, exactly
[16:31] <cccp3> Look at the topic or do /topic
[16:31] <NDS> join #freeroom. i think its the biggest chat room with almost 2000 users
[16:31] <cccp3> Okay goin
[16:32] <anakata> You cannot use your nickname as a password?
[16:32] <bookzilla> anakata: please read the provided link
[16:32] <BluesKaj> you can but why?
[16:32] <cccp3> He was a troll
[16:32] <cccp3> NDS trolled me!!
[16:33] <NDS> im not a troll . i lied:P
[16:33] <cccp3> LIAR
[16:33] <bookzilla> stop this now
[16:33] <NDS> thats somewhat ok
[16:33] <cccp3> No it aint
[16:33] <bookzilla> stay on topic, or leave
[16:33] <NDS> ok. sorry i didnt read the rules
[16:33] <BluesKaj> ok guys, let's keep this on topic please
[16:33] <cccp3> Rule ignorer!
[16:33] <bookzilla> cccp3: stop now
[16:33] <cccp3> Kay
[16:34] <BluesKaj> do you have any kubuntu support questions?
[16:34] <cccp3> no
[16:35] <NDS> many softwares in ubuntu software centre is not uptodate (old version). how can i report it?
[16:36] <bookzilla> NDS: that depends on what version you run
[16:36] <NDS> 14.04
[16:36] <bookzilla> new versions can often not be backported successfully
[16:36] <brokep1> more users of ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[16:37] <bookzilla> when updated versions are packaged, they are backported when possible
[16:37] <bookzilla> brokep1: this is a kubuntu support channel
[16:37] <brokep1> my band, which channel for Ubuntu?
[16:37] <bookzilla> #ubuntu is for all of the Ubuntu community, but especially for Unity users
[16:37] <brokep1> bad
[16:38] <bookzilla> there are "flavor" support chans
[16:40] <lordievader> !alis | brokep1
[16:51] <jubo2> So piippöls .. moment of figuring out which lang to use in the new Kubuntu
[16:51] <jubo2> I can has Finnish kbrd maps etc without choosing Finnish as the OS lang
[16:51] <jubo2> I like totally haet Offices in Finnish
[16:52] <jubo2> I install with English and hope I get the right kbrd maps etc.
[16:53] <jubo2> yes.. I see it as a stage in the installation process
[16:53] <jubo2> babblebabblebabble
[17:00] <jubo2> I hope I h4x this partition setup
[17:00] <jubo2> with.. uhh.. was it fdisk..
[17:00] <jubo2> or was that on windows
[17:00] <jubo2> anyways.. tricky shit. any fuckup might lead to problems
[17:02] <jubo2> for a machine with 2GB RAM I want to set SWAP to 3GB approx ?
[17:03] <jubo2> I put 4GB to get on with it.. got almost 200GB free after that
[17:03] <lordievader> jubo2: Watch your language, this is  a family friendly channel.
[17:04] <jubo2> lordievader: yup.. thought I was in ##learnanylanguage
[17:04] <jubo2> sry for the lang
[17:04] <jubo2> I try not to swear when children are about
[17:05] <lordievader> jubo2: Simply don't use foul language here.
[17:05] <jubo2> lordievader: ok.. I will comply in the future
[17:07] <jubo2> hmm..
[17:30] <jubo2> moment of truth
[17:30] <jubo2> Fresh Kubuntu14 on an Intel Atom ( 2011 ) with 2GB of RAM
[17:30] <jubo2> what will the top say
[17:31] <jubo2> 691MB free with no office and no firefox
[17:31] <jubo2> I'd say it might even run with office and browser
[17:32] <jubo2> ah.. bubble tells me theres security upgrades
[17:32] <jubo2> yeah.. gonna run that 1st thing before I start doing anything else
[17:34] <jubo2> #mmm progress bar in 'sudo apt upgrade' me like! me like!
[17:38] <jubo2> I find this little confusing that this channel looks the same from freenode and from Ubuntu IRC
[17:39] <Unit193> jubo2: irc.ubuntu.com > chat.freenode.net, use dig and you'll see it's a CNAME.
[17:40] <jubo2> Unit Hundert Drei und Neunzigh Ich ferstehe nicht was sie sagst
[17:45] <yofel> jubo2: ubuntu irc is just an alias for freenode
[17:47] <jubo2> I discon that then
[17:47] <jubo2> farewell juboelf
[18:24] <jubo2> Thank you very much for the great OS
[18:24] <jubo2> Is there somewhere like a video or something I could watch to teach me how to operate this thing
[18:24] <jubo2> I was used to whatever KDE shipped with Debian7.3
[18:27] <bprompt> hmmm w0t?
[18:28] <bprompt> jubo2:    what do you mean?
[18:28] <bprompt> jubo2:    kde is kde, debian or whatever elsel
[18:28] <jubo2> bprompt: but different OS have different generation code
[18:30] <jubo2> now that I added more desktops I see what ctrl-f8 and ctrl-f10 have different
[18:30] <bprompt> jubo2:     well... maybe.... but kde is still the same, kde, so menus and configurations are pretty much the same... I mean I used to run kde in fedora as well as in SuSE 9.2,  is just that back then it was kde 3.2 or so, 14.4 kubuntu uses kde 4.12 I think
[18:30] <jubo2> there should be a keyboard short cut for the "search"-screen/desktop thingyt
[18:31] <bprompt> jubo2:    what are you looking for?
[18:31] <jubo2> and there should be a keyboard short cut for "show me all windows of the active program"
[18:31] <jubo2> but I trust I can tune these when I'm feeling up to configuring the KDE
[18:31] <bprompt> jubo2:     I think the taskbar will simply "group" the same app windows
[18:32] <jubo2> and why-o-why there still doesn't seem to be "bring all windows of this program to top of stack" ... that'd be so handy for getting all the konsole windows to front at once
[18:33] <bprompt> jubo2:    you can just open tabs in konsole...rather than windows btw
[18:34] <jubo2> bprompt: I know but I like to see 2 konsoles at once
[18:34] <jubo2> it helps work flow
[18:34] <jubo2> and more if I have more displays
[18:34] <bprompt> hmm
[18:35] <bprompt> dunno    but there are a few windows I like to be visible at all times... for quick access... thus I set them to be 'always on top"
[18:40] <noaccel> fglrx is weird, i install, does not work, purge and reinstall, works
[18:41] <bprompt> hehh
[18:48] <jubo2> The control-F10 apparently does same thing as hitting the bar on the top-right corner, to left of resize button and close button 'X' and it's a very good way to navigate just a lot of visual strain
[18:49] <jubo2> couldn't I have traditional bar of open apps ?
[18:55] <bprompt> jubo2:    I tihnk that'd be what the taskbar is for
[18:57] <jubo2> bprompt: where should I see this taskbar ?
[18:58] <jubo2> owait.. I need to turn it on in the System Settings
[18:58] <jubo2> to be honest I've been looking so much at screens today
[18:58] <jubo2> eaten a 200g pizza tuned with 125g of mozzarella and 100g of cherry plum tomatoes, 1.5l cola and 5 mugs of coffee
[18:59] <jubo2> but now I'm going to install the AMP portion of the LAMP
[19:00] <jubo2> this is a breeze because - daa-da-daa-daa - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Ubuntu
[19:00] <bprompt> hmm
[19:01] <Pici> just as an fyi: wikipedia's servers run on Ubuntu :)
[19:01] <bprompt> jubo2:    I think a lot of  what you're trying to configure may just be in "system settings > workspace appearance and behaviour" section, specifically the last two listed there, window and workspace behaviour
[19:01] <bprompt> fyi    so does facebook =)
[19:02] <Pici> also, my servers
[19:02] <bprompt> well... not true....  I think they run centOS
[19:05] <jubo2> My servers run Debian
[19:05] <jubo2> now all my desktops are Kubuntu14
[19:10] <noaccel> i used to LAMP, but now I just LG... Linux and Go. :)
[19:15] <jubo2> so now for the really advanced stuff..
[19:15] <jubo2> where do I set desktop wallpaper ?
[19:16] <bprompt> jubo2:    I think a lot of  what you're trying to configure may just be in "system settings > workspace appearance and behaviour" section, specifically the last two listed there, window and workspace behaviour
[19:16] <jubo2> I have the corners wired now the way I like them ( all apps - top left ) ( all desktops - top-right ) and ( desktop - bottom left )
[19:17] <bprompt> jubo2:     desktop appearance
[19:17] <bprompt> woops  ahemm     workspace appearance > desktop theme
[19:19] <jubo2> 's complicated to see ..
[19:19] <jubo2> Salutations BluesKaj
[19:20] <jubo2> bprompt: the most important would be to get a task bar
[19:20] <bprompt> jubo2:     keep in mind that is kde 4.13 , no kde 3.5 =)
[19:21] <jubo2> bprompt: yeah yeah yeah but the "smallen everything till it fits on the display"-navigational method is real strain on visual parts of the brain
[19:22] <jubo2> I mean obviously I want that when I take mouse to top-left corner but that I cannot navigate from app to app without that strain
[19:22] <jubo2> old fashioned task bar - can has ?
[19:24] <jubo2> then it'd be a killer GUI
[19:25] <yofel> hm, you're running netbook?
[19:25] <jubo2> yes
[19:25] <jubo2> 1200 x 800 only
[19:25] <jubo2> then again the display doesn't look like an 4:3
[19:26] <yofel> if there's no way to add a default panel in the right click context menu on the screen:
[19:26] <yofel> system settings > workspace behavior > workspace > worspace type: desktop
[19:27] <yofel> that should give you classic kde desktop with the bottom panel
[19:27] <yofel> *you the
[19:28] <yofel> if you like the search and launch desktop you can change the layout to that in the desktop settings after that
[19:28] <jubo2> yofel: tnx.. that put me in the old-mode KDE
[19:28] <jubo2> and the corners.. they should remain intact
[19:28] <jubo2> yess.. great justice
[19:28] <yofel> I hope so..
[19:30] <jubo2> Now that I have FF on all my desktop systems I want that bookmarks sync thingy
[19:31] <jubo2> /j #firefox
[20:28] <noaccel> Anyone notice Steam is buggy with KWin? It behaves just fine with OpenBox/XFWM, hmmm.
[20:29] <noaccel> When I minimize steam it keeps drawing on the screen even though the window is not up.
[20:29] <noaccel> By setting it to always in bakcgroudn it no longer interfers with anything, but it's strange.
[20:57] <keithzg> Huh, odd. I vaguely remember getting something like that some time ago, but haven't seen that in a while, it's actually been quite smooth for me.
[20:58] <keithzg> In fact, as of late I've had weird rendering issues with Steam when booting into Windows, but not on Linux, heh.
[20:59] <noaccel> steam on windows trys really hard to install the steam service, which  is pretty much spyware...
[21:00] <keithzg> The only reason I'd ever boot into Windows at home would be to run games which are invariably through Steam, so I can't say that worries me a ton ;)
[21:00] <noaccel> on linux it's pretty wel behaved beyond snoping aorund the home folder
[22:28] <apol_> shadeslayer_: sarfrazramay: hey
[22:41] <hellslinger> has anyone been able to make firefox downloads use dolphin (and not nautilus) without having to replace nautilus with a symlink or any hacks like that?