[00:01] <SamwiseGamgee> no process found
[00:01] <wxl> SamwiseGamgee: what process ar eyou trying to kill?
[00:01] <SamwiseGamgee> PyChess
[00:02] <wxl> i would imagine (could be wrong) that's the python process
[00:02] <wxl> you might want to approach this a different way
[00:02] <wxl> run `xkill` and click on the window
[00:02] <wxl> remember, too, the terminal is case sensitive
[00:02] <wxl> if you start it with `pychess` then `killall PyChess` will not work
[00:03] <wxl> you can do `ps aux | grep -i pychess` and see if it comes up with anything
[00:03] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, I can try the same command line again, with pychess all lowwer case?
[00:03] <wxl> !info pychess
[00:03] <SamwiseGamgee> or what if I just restart the whole PC?
[00:03] <wxl> i would guess it's lower case
[00:04] <wxl> restarting is osmething you should only do in linux if you get a new kernel :)
[00:04] <anarkhos> haha
[00:04] <SamwiseGamgee> it worked
[00:04] <anarkhos> wait what
[00:04] <anarkhos> case sensitivity=?
[00:04] <SamwiseGamgee> when I changed it to lower case
[00:04] <anarkhos> ok
[00:04] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[00:05] <wxl> anarkhos: case sensitivity means that upper case and lower case are different things i.e. PyChess != pychess
[00:05] <anarkhos> yes i know, but i wondered whether that was the issue
[00:05] <anarkhos> seems it was
[00:05]  * wxl nods
[00:05] <anarkhos> also...
[00:05] <anarkhos> i have some shutdown problems with lubuntu
[00:06] <SamwiseGamgee> PyChess sometimes freezes, but usually it's easy to fix by just exiting it and restarting
[00:06] <anarkhos> shutting down via the gui lead to a persisting "lubuntu" logo with a progress bar-like thing
[00:06] <anarkhos> similar to the boot screen
[00:06] <wxl> SamwiseGamgee: you should file a bug
[00:06] <holstein> anarkhos: what messages? what command are you using?
[00:06] <anarkhos> login
[00:06] <wxl> !bugs | SamwiseGamgee
[00:06] <anarkhos> the shutdown button
[00:07] <anarkhos> something similar happened a while back when i typed "shutdown" i think
[00:07] <anarkhos> but typing "init 0" worked fine
[00:07] <holstein> anarkhos: what happens with "sudo shutdown -h now" or "sudo halt"? what messages?
[00:07] <anarkhos> maybe im not up to date about the finer nuances of how lubuntu works
[00:07] <anarkhos> ill test that in a while
[00:07] <holstein> anarkhos: how lxde works? you mean?
[00:07] <holstein> anarkhos: in a while?
[00:08] <anarkhos> yeah im logged on with windows xp on that computer at the moment, running spybot s&d
[00:08] <holstein> anarkhos: if you are not at the machine, ready to troubleshoot, just come back when you are ready..
[00:08] <holstein> xp is EOL
[00:08] <anarkhos> is what?
[00:08] <holstein> end of life
[00:08] <anarkhos> haha, so i guessed right
[00:08] <anarkhos> yea
[00:08] <holstein> you shouldnt be using xp, not online
[00:09] <anarkhos> it's having some problems. not sure whether it is my fault or more a matter of getting worn out
[00:10] <anarkhos> taking a while to make the network devices page appear for instance, or the battery status window. no such issues with lubuntu
[00:10] <wxl> anarkhos: at this point, it's a honeypot, e.g. a great way to collect malware
[00:10] <holstein> linux/lubuntu/ubuntu isnt magic... if you have hardware problems, it wont fix them
[00:10] <anarkhos> wxl: right
[00:11] <holstein> to be clear, you shouldnt be online with any EOL, unpatched os's.. if you want to use windows, you need to move up.. or you could virtualize xp.. that would help you save a snapshot, at least
[00:50] <nosound> How can I bind a key to undecorate a window?
[01:03] <anarkhos> holstein: spybot soon finished. will test your suggested command then
[01:22] <ianorlin> nosound that would be by editing the  http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#undecorate into ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[01:23] <nosound> Ah good, I'll switch my xfce box to lxde then, as xfce doens't seem to have that capability.
[01:23] <nosound> Right now I run KDE+LXDE+XFCE on my 3 systems.
[01:24] <anarkhos> ok, gonna test it now, holstein
[01:24] <nosound> Can't wait for a LXQt Ubuntu, Qt domination!
[01:24] <nosound> LXQt is going to be 15.04?
[01:25] <nosound> I know 14.10 is too soon.
[01:26] <nosound> As long as it's done by next LTS i'll be happy. :P
[01:26] <anarkhos> holstein: "sudo shutdown -h now" worked perfectly. i had to enter the password. that did not happen when i shut down via the gui i think
[02:37] <anarkhos> holstein: "sudo shutdown -h now" worked, "sudo halt" seems to make it freeze
[02:40] <holstein> anarkhos: i would search around for shutdown issues with that hardware if you want to "fix" it.. otherwise, you can just create a shortcut to that command
[02:47] <anarkhos> yeah ill just use shutdown -h now, for now
[07:14] <cart_man> ikonia_, So about that gui and Upstart
[09:24] <cart_man> So Ikonia and I had a discussion yesterday about using "Upstart" to switch ON and OFF the GUI on the FLY basically...anybody have ideas on how I can do that... Im not quite clear on what he meant with UPSTART :/
[09:54] <cart_man> ok soo
[09:54] <cart_man> ikonia,its relatively simple...but figuring it out wasnt soo simple
[09:55] <cart_man> sudo service lightdm stop   --> sudo sevice lightdm start
[09:55] <cart_man> startx will fail misserably on all my lubuntu machines
[11:45] <rafaellaguna> cart_man, why do you use startx?
[12:24] <cart_man> I didnt...I tried
[12:24] <cart_man> I mean
[12:24] <cart_man> I dont
[12:24] <cart_man> I tried though
[12:24] <rafaellaguna> start_lubuntu
[12:24] <cart_man> --> avoiding a stoning
[12:24] <rafaellaguna> or "sudo lightdm"
[12:25] <cart_man> apparently I need the service though
[13:36] <anarkhos> is there a way to disable hibernation? i don'thave a swap partition, so it wouldn't work anyway
[13:36] <anarkhos> i suppose suspend mode still works
[13:36] <holstein> anarkhos: what i do is, i'll use a live CD as much as possible to see how all that works first hand
[13:36] <holstein> it really can depend on how the hardware supports linux
[13:37] <anarkhos> yeah. i downloaded and tried gconf-editor, but the folder structure showed in the guide doesn't correspond to what i see in my gconf-editor
[13:37] <holstein> otherwise, if my expectations or needs are "high", i'll go with xubuntu or main ubuntu.. i find taking one of the lighter DE's like lxde and making it do more advanced tasks can just make it heavy
[13:38] <anarkhos> so i can't find the values relating to the hibernation button
[13:38] <holstein> pretty much, if i cant use lubuntu/lxde basically more "as is", i'll move on to something that promises more features
[13:38] <anarkhos> what kind of advanced tasks do you h?ave in mind
[13:38] <anarkhos> ok
[13:38] <holstein> lxde realy promises "light".. thats what the l is.. its not the place i go to for a lot of customization.. though, it can be done, of course
[13:39] <anarkhos> yes, obviously, because there is a guide for it. however, i suppose there've been some changes since that guide was written
[13:39] <holstein> anarkhos: i dont expect the buttons (any buttons) to be triggering much like that
[13:39] <anarkhos> the guide is from june 2011
[13:40] <holstein> anarkhos: sure.. all the ubuntu wikis are publically editable, if you need to add information. even if that information is "this doesnt work"
[13:40] <anarkhos> right
[13:40] <holstein> anarkhos: *all* of gtk is changing.. lxde is trying to go qt, etc.. there are many things going on
[13:41] <holstein> anarkhos: if i wanted a well developed desktop where all my buttons work, etc, i might look at xfce
[13:41] <holstein> if i want light, and im OK working with a changing environment with a lean team, then lxde lubuntu would be fine
[13:42] <anarkhos> im fine with lubuntu, it looks very nice so far. im just trying to explore it, get more familiar with it
[13:42] <anarkhos> it doesn't matter if the hibernation button is there, ill just avoid it
[13:43] <anarkhos> but again - suspend mode works regardless of swap partitions, correct?
[13:44] <anarkhos> ill test suspend right now
[13:50] <holstein> anarkhos: suspend to ram does that..
[14:12] <cart_man> To all the PRO DRIVER writing people on this channel
[14:12] <cart_man> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25309068/lubuntu-pci-driver-where-to-start-looking?noredirect=1#comment39449020_25309068
[16:32] <wxl> ∿
[16:32] <wxl> (get it? it's a wave. a sine wave, but a wave none the less)
[16:32] <rafaellaguna> ~
[16:32] <wxl> yeah that's boring
[16:32] <wxl> and technically not a wave :)
[16:32] <rafaellaguna> it's almost silence :P
[16:33] <wxl> 👋 is ideal but it is often not rendered for most folks
[16:33] <wxl> (works for me) :)
[16:33] <rafaellaguna> not for me, ugly square with hex code
[16:33] <wxl> gotta get your upper unicode dude
[16:33] <wxl> you need source sans/serif/code pro
[16:34] <rafaellaguna> I use Ubuntu, it's fully unicode, and has sans, but not pro
[17:00] <anarkhos> i was able to enter suspend mode, but now it's stuck. ill have to disconnect the power cable and the battery
[17:01] <anarkhos> i came across a suggestion concerning noapic boot code. maybe that'll fix it
[17:05] <wxl> anarkhos: possible. you should look up your exact same system on google and see if there's any advice
[17:05] <anarkhos> k
[17:06] <wxl> anarkhos: just to be clear apic is not acpi
[17:06] <anarkhos> right
[18:46] <rena_> Hello all. After last night kernel update from 33 to 34 my shutdown splash is gone. Anyone else getting this issue? Anyone knows the fix?
[18:49] <wxl> rena_: don't necessarily have the same problem but have you checked your grub parameters?
[18:50] <wxl> rena_: see /etc/default/grub
[18:50] <wxl> rena_: you should have "splash" in there somewhere
[19:06] <rena_> Thank you wxl. I checked the /boot/grub/grub.cfg and there was a splash parameter set there
[19:08] <rena_> Just checked in /etc/default/grub and it's there too
[19:12] <rena_> And, out of nowhere, just tried shutting down right now to try to boot into previous kernel, and the splash is back. Crazy stuff
[19:54] <jlf> hi all, can someone point me to the way to configuring my alt key as the meta modifier?  alt-backspace in an urxvt is currently producing ÿ
[20:02] <wxl> rena_: is that also true in /boot/grub/grub.cfg? look specifically for the entry for your current kernel.
[20:03] <wxl> rena_: if not run `sudo update-grub` and you should be good
[20:52] <juanantonio> hello everybody. i installed lubuntu without cheking any compatibility list into my old laptop i encountered a sound problem. i have not sound. i searched internet and i found that for my model (toshiba nb200) i may have to use oss instead of alsa. May someone guide me to disable alsa and install oss. may this be a real solution?
[20:55] <juanantonio> i think i have the same problem of the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/880376 im using the same chip
[20:57] <juanantonio> i read the posible solution here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=83804 i have the same laptop, but i dont know how to proceed is explained for people with more experience
[21:06] <wxl> juanantonio: first archlinux != ubuntu. in fact they're quite different.
[21:07] <wxl> juanantonio: oss is pretty well abandoned by the linux community. i wouldn't suggest it at all.
[21:08] <wxl> juanantonio: give me the results of `lspci | grep -i audio`
[21:10] <wxl> juanantonio: read here for more reasons why you should avoid oss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_System#Free.2C_proprietary.2C_free
[21:23] <juanantonio> wxl: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[21:46] <jlf> hi all, can someone point me to the way to configuring my alt key as the meta modifier?  alt-backspace in an urxvt is currently producing ÿ
[21:48] <juanantonio> hello on a clean install of lubuntu 14.04 i have no sound. lspci | grep -i audio shows: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02). i have the same laptop with and old ubuntu that sound is working on this last one lspci | grep -i audio shows Intel Corporation 82801G (ich7 family) high definition audio controller (rev 02). how can i solve the audio problem in the first laptop wich has the same sound card
[21:49] <wxl> juanantonio: those are not the same sound cards
[21:50] <juanantonio> so lspci in lubuntu is wrong
[21:50] <juanantonio> or is a known problem and i should use this other driver
[21:50] <wxl> lspci in lubuntu is lspci in ubuntu
[21:50] <juanantonio> the case is that i had to identical laptops working, i updated one with lubuntu but has no sound
[21:51] <juanantonio> i still have the other one working to use it as help to solve the problem
[21:51] <wxl> juanantonio: you mean they're identical models. that does not mean they have identical hardware.
[21:51] <juanantonio> i had about ubuntu 8
[21:51] <wxl> juanantonio: they're not the same.
[21:52] <juanantonio> they are identical, yes, bought together, same even part number (of course same model)
[21:52] <wxl> juanantonio: but if they're showing different sound cards, they're not the same. i won't bother to argue with you about this one.
[21:53] <wxl> juanantonio: you can see they're both in the ich7 family but they're not the same. 8s801g != nm10
[21:53] <juanantonio> i understand you, i just suggest maybe lubuntu is getting the wrong card or using the other card driver may be a work around to solve the problem?
[21:53] <wxl> juanantonio: then ubuntu would offer you the same problems
[21:54] <juanantonio> actually, is a modified ubuntu called guadalinex
[21:54] <wxl> juanantonio: if it uses ubuntu-core, it's the same
[21:55] <wxl> juanantonio: what version of pciutils do you have on each machine?
[21:55] <juanantonio> how can i see it?
[21:56] <wxl> `apt-cache policy pciutils`
[21:59] <juanantonio> 1:3.2.1-1ubuntu5 in new one and 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu8 in the old one
[21:59] <wxl> so they're both from ubuntu repos
[22:00] <juanantonioold> no, i
[22:00] <juanantonioold> here in the old one shows: *** 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu8 0
[22:00] <juanantonioold>         500 http://centros.edu.guadalinex.org jaunty/main Packages
[22:00] <wxl> the changelog is long in between http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/pciutils/pciutils_3.2.1-1ubuntu8/changelog
[22:01] <wxl> unless they're violating rules of version numbering, that's from ubuntu repos regardless of what the url is
[22:01] <juanantonio> i see
[22:01] <wxl> there's nothing in the changelog that stands out as there being obvious problems
[22:01] <wxl> get the 14.04 live cd in the working computer and see what lspci says on it
[22:02] <juanantonio> right on it, i will be connected with the juanantonioold account
[22:02] <wxl> you can also try the jaunty version of guadalinex on the new one
[22:03] <wxl> if you can show me that lspci is providing different results, then we'll have to approach this differently
[22:03] <juanantonioold> upps, righ
[22:03] <juanantonioold> u said "in the ow
[22:03] <juanantonioold> working computer" that is this one
[22:03] <juanantonioold> :)
[22:03] <wxl> XD
[22:04] <juanantonioold> cooming on the other one and rebooting this one live usb
[22:06] <juanantonio> im booting live, may u rewrite the command i should use, i closed pidgin on both computers
[22:06] <wxl> `lspci | grep -i audio`
[22:06] <juanantonio> ty
[22:06] <wxl> if you're going to do that it might be useful to get more information out of it
[22:07] <juanantonio> perfect, just guide me what to get
[22:07] <wxl> well you'll have to pick stuff out hold on i'm trying to figure out how to make this useful
[22:08] <wxl> `lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9
[22:09] <wxl> do that both ways on both machines and that should offer a lot of help
[22:10] <juanantonio> wxl, as i guessed, on the working old ubuntu based linux, i booted live lubuntu 14.04.1 LTS live and `lspci | grep -i audio` shows Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) as in the not working installed version
[22:11] <juanantonio> nevertheless the old ubuntu shows a different card, may it be a work around for this computer model? how can i do it in my new lubuntu?
[22:11] <wxl> 1s
[22:11] <juanantonio> ty
[22:13] <wxl> juanantonio: so 14.04 reports the same card??? bizarre. what did `lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A` give you?
[22:13] <wxl> …especially in relation to the driver in use?
[22:13] <wxl> and did the sound work on the old machine?
[22:13] <wxl> (with 14.04)
[22:15] <juanantonio> typing in
[22:16] <juanantonio> i get an error with this command, misspelled?
[22:17] <wxl> lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9
[22:17] <wxl> -vv means extra verbosity
[22:17] <wxl> -i means search in a case insensitive manner
[22:17] <wxl> -A9 means include the next 9 lines after a a search is found
[22:17] <juanantonio> should i copy the output in pastebin?
[22:18] <wxl> yeah that's a good idea
[22:20] <wxl> jlf: did you try to edit lubuntu-rc.xml?
[22:20] <juanantonio> both live and installed lubuntu shows the following: http://pastebin.com/XYnv33wm
[22:21] <wxl> ugh my web browser is going painfully slow
[22:21] <wxl> brb
[22:21] <juanantonio> whould you like me to boot old ubuntu to see what it shows meanwhile?
[22:24] <anarkhos> when an acer aspire one netbook doesn't wake up after sleep mode/suspend, is it most likely due to bad drivers or boot options lacking a "noapic" reference?
[22:28] <wxl> juanantonio: yeah might be good to compare
[22:31] <wxl> juanantonio: the interesting thing is that there's no driver being used. that's probably your problem. find out which driver is being used on the working system, again with lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9
[22:31] <wxl> anarkhos: it could be all kinds of things.
[22:31] <anarkhos> yeah
[22:33] <juanantonioold> here in the old one,  lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9 shows: http://pastebin.com/S0ZTLQMr
[22:33] <juanantonio> note a different sound card and the last two lines
[22:34] <juanantonio> showing kernel driver in use and kernel modules
[22:35] <wxl> yepp
[22:35] <wxl> so we need to figure out how to get snd-hda-intel going for you
[22:35] <juanantonio> yes please, would be fabulous
[22:37] <wxl> juanantonio: if you `sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel` does it fix everytghing up?
[22:39] <juanantonio> i get the following error: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:959 command_do() Error running install command for soundcore
[22:39] <juanantonio> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'snd_hda_intel': Operation not permitted
[22:39] <wxl> you did sudo it?
[22:39] <juanantonio> yes
[22:39] <wxl> strange
[22:42] <wxl> juanantonio: can you see if there's any notable difference between the two in /etc/modprobe.d/ especially in the blacklist.conf file?
[22:42] <juanantonio> taking a look...
[22:43] <wxl> might want tojust do `grep -Ri soundcore *` on both machines and see if there's anything obvious starting there
[22:49] <juanantonio> in lubuntu i have an extra line in blacklist.conf file: `blacklist pcspkr` the file otherwise are identicals
[22:49] <wxl> juanantonio: also might want to see if `lsmod | grep -i soundcore` returns anything
[22:49] <wxl> hm
[22:51] <juanantonio> in lubuntu i dont get anything with that command, in the old ubuntu i get `soundcore   15200  1  snd`
[22:51] <wxl> curious
[22:52] <wxl> um can you `sudo modprobe soundcore` ?
[22:52] <juanantonio> i could with no eco no errors in new installation of lubuntu
[22:53] <wxl> yeah well that doesn't mean there's not an error :)
[22:53] <juanantonio> actually, my sound icon, dissapeared from the bar :)
[22:54] <juanantonio> nevertheless i could not say if it was before or after the command
[22:54] <wxl> sudo modprobe soundcore works or not?
[22:55] <juanantonio> wait plz, i need to reboot, i forgot,i blacklisted alsa in my way to install oss before i was recomended not to do it. maybe thats why i cant modprobe, ill be back in a minute, im connected in old laptop so dont lose chat history
[22:56] <wxl> PROBABLY :)
[22:56] <wxl> omg
[22:56]  * wxl facepalms :)
[23:00] <anarkhos> trying with noapic now
[23:01] <anarkhos> same problem
[23:04] <juanantonio> ok wxl, now it shows kernel driver in use snd_hda_intel but it doesnt show a kernel driver in use
[23:04] <wxl> juanantonio: huh? :)
[23:05] <juanantonio> lsmod | grep -i soundcore shows soundcore 12600 1 snd
[23:05] <juanantonio> still i have no sound (my sound icon is back to the bar, sorry for the black listing :))
[23:06] <wxl> juanantonio: and you get something from `lsmod | grep -i snd_hda_intel`?
[23:07] <juanantonio> i get http://pastebin.com/U37U1NuV in the not working one
[23:09] <juanantonioold> http://pastebin.com/Tbnz1Pr2 in the one wich works
[23:10] <wxl> it does seem you're using oss in the one that works
[23:10] <juanantonio> :)
[23:11] <wxl> i don't know, i'd really avoid it but you could certainly try
[23:11] <wxl> those arch instructions won't be entirely applicable tho
[23:13] <juanantonio> will this be my possible solution: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=83804 ??
[23:13] <juanantonio> should i open a bug page?
[23:13] <wxl> probably not
[23:13] <wxl> archlinux is not the same
[23:13] <wxl> one thing you might want to try is to install pulseaudio
[23:14] <juanantonio> from the repositories?
[23:14] <wxl> i hate when people suggest that because it always seems like the "easy way out" but it might just work
[23:14] <wxl> yeah
[23:14] <juanantonio> should i blacklist alsa or something like that?
[23:14] <wxl> no
[23:14] <Unit193> The answer is to never blacklist alsa unless you don't want sound.
[23:15] <juanantonio> ok im opening software centre
[23:15] <wxl> hahhaha
[23:15] <wxl> oh Unit193 always so helpful
[23:15] <Unit193> I try to be my best. :)
[23:16] <juanantonio> :)
[23:16] <juanantonio> should i install just pulseaudio manager, or some other packet?
[23:17] <wxl> no that's the one
[23:17] <wxl> if it doesn't work, remove it
[23:17] <wxl> it's unnecessary cruft
[23:17] <wxl> but sometimes it works magic on stubborn audio problems
[23:18] <juanantonio> installing
[23:19] <juanantonio> i can read something about pulseaudio mixer in my old working laptop... that may do the trick
[23:19] <juanantonio> it is installing
[23:19] <juanantonio> :)
[23:20] <juanantonio> should i reboot after installing pulseaudio manager?
[23:21] <wxl> no
[23:21] <wxl> linux: the os you don't need to reboot
[23:21] <juanantonio> ok so i try to open an mp3 :)
[23:23] <juanantonio> not working
[23:24] <juanantonio> but the microphone seems to work, at least, in the new volume control installed my pulseaudio i can see the bar moving
[23:27] <juanantonio> any clue, should i remove pulse audio?
[23:27] <wxl> yeah i don't know man
[23:27] <wxl> holstein might be a good one to ask when he returns
[23:28] <juanantonio> ok, thank you for your help
[23:28] <wxl> yeah sorry i didn't get you very far
[23:29] <juanantonio> we got further at least, thats important too :)
[23:33] <juanantonio> magic, playing with pulse audio volumes made the work
[23:33] <juanantonio> they were all all the way up... but who knows...
[23:33] <wxl> heheh
[23:33] <wxl> so we figured it out?
[23:34] <juanantonio> yes, with pulse audio is working, now i have a pulse audio server applet on my bar
[23:34] <wxl> horray
[23:34] <juanantonio> thank you
[23:34] <juanantonio> no oss needed
[23:35] <wxl> horray
[23:35] <wxl> happy to help
[23:36] <wxl> juanantonio: fyi we don't usually use pulseaudio (that's one of the things that keeps lubuntu light) so if you need help you might want to check at #ubuntu
[23:37] <juanantonio> thank you, im going to reboot to see if i can keep it working
[23:37] <juanantonio> brb