[00:01] no process found [00:01] SamwiseGamgee: what process ar eyou trying to kill? [00:01] PyChess [00:02] i would imagine (could be wrong) that's the python process [00:02] you might want to approach this a different way [00:02] run `xkill` and click on the window [00:02] remember, too, the terminal is case sensitive [00:02] if you start it with `pychess` then `killall PyChess` will not work [00:03] you can do `ps aux | grep -i pychess` and see if it comes up with anything [00:03] oh, I can try the same command line again, with pychess all lowwer case? [00:03] !info pychess [00:03] pychess (source: pychess): chess graphical user interface for several chess engines. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12~beta3-1 (trusty), package size 3078 kB, installed size 9081 kB [00:03] or what if I just restart the whole PC? [00:03] i would guess it's lower case [00:04] restarting is osmething you should only do in linux if you get a new kernel :) [00:04] haha [00:04] it worked [00:04] wait what [00:04] case sensitivity=? [00:04] when I changed it to lower case [00:04] ok [00:04] thanks [00:05] anarkhos: case sensitivity means that upper case and lower case are different things i.e. PyChess != pychess [00:05] yes i know, but i wondered whether that was the issue [00:05] seems it was [00:05] * wxl nods [00:05] also... [00:05] i have some shutdown problems with lubuntu [00:06] PyChess sometimes freezes, but usually it's easy to fix by just exiting it and restarting [00:06] shutting down via the gui lead to a persisting "lubuntu" logo with a progress bar-like thing [00:06] similar to the boot screen [00:06] SamwiseGamgee: you should file a bug [00:06] anarkhos: what messages? what command are you using? [00:06] login [00:06] !bugs | SamwiseGamgee [00:06] SamwiseGamgee: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [00:06] the shutdown button [00:07] something similar happened a while back when i typed "shutdown" i think [00:07] but typing "init 0" worked fine [00:07] anarkhos: what happens with "sudo shutdown -h now" or "sudo halt"? what messages? [00:07] maybe im not up to date about the finer nuances of how lubuntu works [00:07] ill test that in a while [00:07] anarkhos: how lxde works? you mean? [00:07] anarkhos: in a while? [00:08] yeah im logged on with windows xp on that computer at the moment, running spybot s&d [00:08] anarkhos: if you are not at the machine, ready to troubleshoot, just come back when you are ready.. [00:08] xp is EOL [00:08] is what? [00:08] end of life [00:08] haha, so i guessed right [00:08] yea [00:08] you shouldnt be using xp, not online [00:09] it's having some problems. not sure whether it is my fault or more a matter of getting worn out [00:10] taking a while to make the network devices page appear for instance, or the battery status window. no such issues with lubuntu [00:10] anarkhos: at this point, it's a honeypot, e.g. a great way to collect malware [00:10] linux/lubuntu/ubuntu isnt magic... if you have hardware problems, it wont fix them [00:10] wxl: right [00:11] to be clear, you shouldnt be online with any EOL, unpatched os's.. if you want to use windows, you need to move up.. or you could virtualize xp.. that would help you save a snapshot, at least [00:50] How can I bind a key to undecorate a window? === Sachiru_ is now known as Sachiru === Sachiru is now known as Guest59613 === Sachiru_ is now known as Sachiru [01:03] holstein: spybot soon finished. will test your suggested command then [01:22] nosound that would be by editing the http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#undecorate into ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml [01:23] Ah good, I'll switch my xfce box to lxde then, as xfce doens't seem to have that capability. [01:23] Right now I run KDE+LXDE+XFCE on my 3 systems. [01:24] ok, gonna test it now, holstein [01:24] Can't wait for a LXQt Ubuntu, Qt domination! [01:24] LXQt is going to be 15.04? [01:25] I know 14.10 is too soon. [01:26] As long as it's done by next LTS i'll be happy. :P === Sachiru_ is now known as Sachiru [01:26] holstein: "sudo shutdown -h now" worked perfectly. i had to enter the password. that did not happen when i shut down via the gui i think [02:37] holstein: "sudo shutdown -h now" worked, "sudo halt" seems to make it freeze [02:40] anarkhos: i would search around for shutdown issues with that hardware if you want to "fix" it.. otherwise, you can just create a shortcut to that command [02:47] yeah ill just use shutdown -h now, for now === mgodzilla is now known as chocolate_cake === chocolate_cake is now known as mgodzilla === quackgyver_ is now known as quackgyver [07:14] ikonia_, So about that gui and Upstart === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [09:24] So Ikonia and I had a discussion yesterday about using "Upstart" to switch ON and OFF the GUI on the FLY basically...anybody have ideas on how I can do that... Im not quite clear on what he meant with UPSTART :/ [09:54] ok soo [09:54] ikonia,its relatively simple...but figuring it out wasnt soo simple [09:55] sudo service lightdm stop --> sudo sevice lightdm start [09:55] startx will fail misserably on all my lubuntu machines [11:45] cart_man, why do you use startx? [12:24] I didnt...I tried [12:24] I mean [12:24] I dont [12:24] I tried though [12:24] start_lubuntu [12:24] --> avoiding a stoning [12:24] or "sudo lightdm" [12:25] apparently I need the service though [13:36] is there a way to disable hibernation? i don'thave a swap partition, so it wouldn't work anyway [13:36] i suppose suspend mode still works [13:36] anarkhos: what i do is, i'll use a live CD as much as possible to see how all that works first hand [13:36] it really can depend on how the hardware supports linux [13:37] yeah. i downloaded and tried gconf-editor, but the folder structure showed in the guide doesn't correspond to what i see in my gconf-editor [13:37] otherwise, if my expectations or needs are "high", i'll go with xubuntu or main ubuntu.. i find taking one of the lighter DE's like lxde and making it do more advanced tasks can just make it heavy [13:38] so i can't find the values relating to the hibernation button [13:38] pretty much, if i cant use lubuntu/lxde basically more "as is", i'll move on to something that promises more features [13:38] what kind of advanced tasks do you h?ave in mind [13:38] ok [13:38] lxde realy promises "light".. thats what the l is.. its not the place i go to for a lot of customization.. though, it can be done, of course [13:39] yes, obviously, because there is a guide for it. however, i suppose there've been some changes since that guide was written [13:39] anarkhos: i dont expect the buttons (any buttons) to be triggering much like that [13:39] the guide is from june 2011 [13:40] anarkhos: sure.. all the ubuntu wikis are publically editable, if you need to add information. even if that information is "this doesnt work" [13:40] right [13:40] anarkhos: *all* of gtk is changing.. lxde is trying to go qt, etc.. there are many things going on [13:41] anarkhos: if i wanted a well developed desktop where all my buttons work, etc, i might look at xfce [13:41] if i want light, and im OK working with a changing environment with a lean team, then lxde lubuntu would be fine [13:42] im fine with lubuntu, it looks very nice so far. im just trying to explore it, get more familiar with it [13:42] it doesn't matter if the hibernation button is there, ill just avoid it [13:43] but again - suspend mode works regardless of swap partitions, correct? [13:44] ill test suspend right now [13:50] anarkhos: suspend to ram does that.. [14:12] To all the PRO DRIVER writing people on this channel [14:12] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25309068/lubuntu-pci-driver-where-to-start-looking?noredirect=1#comment39449020_25309068 [16:32] ∿ [16:32] (get it? it's a wave. a sine wave, but a wave none the less) [16:32] ~ [16:32] yeah that's boring [16:32] and technically not a wave :) [16:32] it's almost silence :P [16:33] 👋 is ideal but it is often not rendered for most folks [16:33] (works for me) :) [16:33] not for me, ugly square with hex code [16:33] gotta get your upper unicode dude [16:33] you need source sans/serif/code pro [16:34] I use Ubuntu, it's fully unicode, and has sans, but not pro [17:00] i was able to enter suspend mode, but now it's stuck. ill have to disconnect the power cable and the battery [17:01] i came across a suggestion concerning noapic boot code. maybe that'll fix it [17:05] anarkhos: possible. you should look up your exact same system on google and see if there's any advice [17:05] k [17:06] anarkhos: just to be clear apic is not acpi [17:06] right [18:46] Hello all. After last night kernel update from 33 to 34 my shutdown splash is gone. Anyone else getting this issue? Anyone knows the fix? [18:49] rena_: don't necessarily have the same problem but have you checked your grub parameters? [18:50] rena_: see /etc/default/grub [18:50] rena_: you should have "splash" in there somewhere [19:06] Thank you wxl. I checked the /boot/grub/grub.cfg and there was a splash parameter set there [19:08] Just checked in /etc/default/grub and it's there too [19:12] And, out of nowhere, just tried shutting down right now to try to boot into previous kernel, and the splash is back. Crazy stuff [19:54] hi all, can someone point me to the way to configuring my alt key as the meta modifier? alt-backspace in an urxvt is currently producing ÿ [20:02] rena_: is that also true in /boot/grub/grub.cfg? look specifically for the entry for your current kernel. [20:03] rena_: if not run `sudo update-grub` and you should be good [20:52] hello everybody. i installed lubuntu without cheking any compatibility list into my old laptop i encountered a sound problem. i have not sound. i searched internet and i found that for my model (toshiba nb200) i may have to use oss instead of alsa. May someone guide me to disable alsa and install oss. may this be a real solution? [20:55] i think i have the same problem of the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/880376 im using the same chip [20:55] Launchpad bug 880376 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[C4100/C5100, Realtek ALC272, Speaker, Internal] Playback problem - no sound (except for headphones)" [Undecided,Invalid] [20:57] i read the posible solution here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=83804 i have the same laptop, but i dont know how to proceed is explained for people with more experience [21:06] juanantonio: first archlinux != ubuntu. in fact they're quite different. [21:07] juanantonio: oss is pretty well abandoned by the linux community. i wouldn't suggest it at all. [21:08] juanantonio: give me the results of `lspci | grep -i audio` [21:10] juanantonio: read here for more reasons why you should avoid oss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_System#Free.2C_proprietary.2C_free [21:23] wxl: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) [21:46] hi all, can someone point me to the way to configuring my alt key as the meta modifier? alt-backspace in an urxvt is currently producing ÿ [21:48] hello on a clean install of lubuntu 14.04 i have no sound. lspci | grep -i audio shows: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02). i have the same laptop with and old ubuntu that sound is working on this last one lspci | grep -i audio shows Intel Corporation 82801G (ich7 family) high definition audio controller (rev 02). how can i solve the audio problem in the first laptop wich has the same sound card [21:49] juanantonio: those are not the same sound cards [21:50] so lspci in lubuntu is wrong [21:50] or is a known problem and i should use this other driver [21:50] lspci in lubuntu is lspci in ubuntu [21:50] the case is that i had to identical laptops working, i updated one with lubuntu but has no sound [21:51] i still have the other one working to use it as help to solve the problem [21:51] juanantonio: you mean they're identical models. that does not mean they have identical hardware. [21:51] i had about ubuntu 8 [21:51] juanantonio: they're not the same. [21:52] they are identical, yes, bought together, same even part number (of course same model) [21:52] juanantonio: but if they're showing different sound cards, they're not the same. i won't bother to argue with you about this one. [21:53] juanantonio: you can see they're both in the ich7 family but they're not the same. 8s801g != nm10 [21:53] i understand you, i just suggest maybe lubuntu is getting the wrong card or using the other card driver may be a work around to solve the problem? [21:53] juanantonio: then ubuntu would offer you the same problems [21:54] actually, is a modified ubuntu called guadalinex [21:54] juanantonio: if it uses ubuntu-core, it's the same [21:55] juanantonio: what version of pciutils do you have on each machine? [21:55] how can i see it? [21:56] `apt-cache policy pciutils` [21:59] 1:3.2.1-1ubuntu5 in new one and 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu8 in the old one [21:59] so they're both from ubuntu repos [22:00] no, i [22:00] here in the old one shows: *** 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu8 0 [22:00] 500 http://centros.edu.guadalinex.org jaunty/main Packages [22:00] the changelog is long in between http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/pciutils/pciutils_3.2.1-1ubuntu8/changelog [22:01] unless they're violating rules of version numbering, that's from ubuntu repos regardless of what the url is [22:01] i see [22:01] there's nothing in the changelog that stands out as there being obvious problems [22:01] get the 14.04 live cd in the working computer and see what lspci says on it [22:02] right on it, i will be connected with the juanantonioold account [22:02] you can also try the jaunty version of guadalinex on the new one [22:03] if you can show me that lspci is providing different results, then we'll have to approach this differently [22:03] upps, righ [22:03] u said "in the ow [22:03] working computer" that is this one [22:03] :) [22:03] XD [22:04] cooming on the other one and rebooting this one live usb [22:06] im booting live, may u rewrite the command i should use, i closed pidgin on both computers [22:06] `lspci | grep -i audio` [22:06] ty [22:06] if you're going to do that it might be useful to get more information out of it [22:07] perfect, just guide me what to get [22:07] well you'll have to pick stuff out hold on i'm trying to figure out how to make this useful [22:08] `lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9 [22:09] do that both ways on both machines and that should offer a lot of help [22:10] wxl, as i guessed, on the working old ubuntu based linux, i booted live lubuntu 14.04.1 LTS live and `lspci | grep -i audio` shows Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) as in the not working installed version [22:11] nevertheless the old ubuntu shows a different card, may it be a work around for this computer model? how can i do it in my new lubuntu? [22:11] 1s [22:11] ty [22:13] juanantonio: so 14.04 reports the same card??? bizarre. what did `lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A` give you? [22:13] …especially in relation to the driver in use? [22:13] and did the sound work on the old machine? [22:13] (with 14.04) [22:15] typing in [22:16] i get an error with this command, misspelled? [22:17] lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9 [22:17] -vv means extra verbosity [22:17] -i means search in a case insensitive manner [22:17] -A9 means include the next 9 lines after a a search is found [22:17] should i copy the output in pastebin? [22:18] yeah that's a good idea [22:20] jlf: did you try to edit lubuntu-rc.xml? [22:20] both live and installed lubuntu shows the following: http://pastebin.com/XYnv33wm [22:21] ugh my web browser is going painfully slow [22:21] brb [22:21] whould you like me to boot old ubuntu to see what it shows meanwhile? [22:24] when an acer aspire one netbook doesn't wake up after sleep mode/suspend, is it most likely due to bad drivers or boot options lacking a "noapic" reference? [22:28] juanantonio: yeah might be good to compare [22:31] juanantonio: the interesting thing is that there's no driver being used. that's probably your problem. find out which driver is being used on the working system, again with lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9 [22:31] anarkhos: it could be all kinds of things. [22:31] yeah [22:33] here in the old one, lspci -vv | grep -i audio -A9 shows: http://pastebin.com/S0ZTLQMr [22:33] note a different sound card and the last two lines [22:34] showing kernel driver in use and kernel modules [22:35] yepp [22:35] so we need to figure out how to get snd-hda-intel going for you [22:35] yes please, would be fabulous [22:37] juanantonio: if you `sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel` does it fix everytghing up? [22:39] i get the following error: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:959 command_do() Error running install command for soundcore [22:39] modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'snd_hda_intel': Operation not permitted [22:39] you did sudo it? [22:39] yes [22:39] strange [22:42] juanantonio: can you see if there's any notable difference between the two in /etc/modprobe.d/ especially in the blacklist.conf file? [22:42] taking a look... [22:43] might want tojust do `grep -Ri soundcore *` on both machines and see if there's anything obvious starting there [22:49] in lubuntu i have an extra line in blacklist.conf file: `blacklist pcspkr` the file otherwise are identicals [22:49] juanantonio: also might want to see if `lsmod | grep -i soundcore` returns anything [22:49] hm [22:51] in lubuntu i dont get anything with that command, in the old ubuntu i get `soundcore 15200 1 snd` [22:51] curious [22:52] um can you `sudo modprobe soundcore` ? [22:52] i could with no eco no errors in new installation of lubuntu [22:53] yeah well that doesn't mean there's not an error :) [22:53] actually, my sound icon, dissapeared from the bar :) [22:54] nevertheless i could not say if it was before or after the command [22:54] sudo modprobe soundcore works or not? [22:55] wait plz, i need to reboot, i forgot,i blacklisted alsa in my way to install oss before i was recomended not to do it. maybe thats why i cant modprobe, ill be back in a minute, im connected in old laptop so dont lose chat history [22:56] PROBABLY :) [22:56] omg [22:56] * wxl facepalms :) [23:00] trying with noapic now [23:01] same problem [23:04] ok wxl, now it shows kernel driver in use snd_hda_intel but it doesnt show a kernel driver in use [23:04] juanantonio: huh? :) [23:05] lsmod | grep -i soundcore shows soundcore 12600 1 snd [23:05] still i have no sound (my sound icon is back to the bar, sorry for the black listing :)) [23:06] juanantonio: and you get something from `lsmod | grep -i snd_hda_intel`? [23:07] i get http://pastebin.com/U37U1NuV in the not working one [23:09] http://pastebin.com/Tbnz1Pr2 in the one wich works [23:10] it does seem you're using oss in the one that works [23:10] :) [23:11] i don't know, i'd really avoid it but you could certainly try [23:11] those arch instructions won't be entirely applicable tho [23:13] will this be my possible solution: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=83804 ?? [23:13] should i open a bug page? [23:13] probably not [23:13] archlinux is not the same [23:13] one thing you might want to try is to install pulseaudio [23:14] from the repositories? [23:14] i hate when people suggest that because it always seems like the "easy way out" but it might just work [23:14] yeah [23:14] should i blacklist alsa or something like that? [23:14] no [23:14] The answer is to never blacklist alsa unless you don't want sound. [23:15] ok im opening software centre [23:15] hahhaha [23:15] oh Unit193 always so helpful [23:15] I try to be my best. :) [23:16] :) [23:16] should i install just pulseaudio manager, or some other packet? [23:17] no that's the one [23:17] if it doesn't work, remove it [23:17] it's unnecessary cruft [23:17] but sometimes it works magic on stubborn audio problems [23:18] installing [23:19] i can read something about pulseaudio mixer in my old working laptop... that may do the trick [23:19] it is installing [23:19] :) [23:20] should i reboot after installing pulseaudio manager? [23:21] no [23:21] linux: the os you don't need to reboot [23:21] ok so i try to open an mp3 :) [23:23] not working [23:24] but the microphone seems to work, at least, in the new volume control installed my pulseaudio i can see the bar moving [23:27] any clue, should i remove pulse audio? [23:27] yeah i don't know man [23:27] holstein might be a good one to ask when he returns [23:28] ok, thank you for your help [23:28] yeah sorry i didn't get you very far [23:29] we got further at least, thats important too :) [23:33] magic, playing with pulse audio volumes made the work [23:33] they were all all the way up... but who knows... [23:33] heheh [23:33] so we figured it out? [23:34] yes, with pulse audio is working, now i have a pulse audio server applet on my bar [23:34] horray [23:34] thank you [23:34] no oss needed [23:35] horray [23:35] happy to help [23:36] juanantonio: fyi we don't usually use pulseaudio (that's one of the things that keeps lubuntu light) so if you need help you might want to check at #ubuntu [23:37] thank you, im going to reboot to see if i can keep it working [23:37] brb