[03:14] <daftykins> diddledan: i won! the email has been changed \o/
[07:24] <diplo> Morning all
[07:35] <OERIAS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CyPjQQTAM
[08:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:18] <Myrtti> moin bigcalm
[08:19] <bigcalm> Happy belated birthday, Myrtti :)
[08:19] <DJones> Maybe the wrong channel to ask in (computer people don't always have a good reputation for doing excercise) Anybody know a great deal about home multigyms? Looking at two & wondered if anybody can see any obvious differences that one is better than the other
[08:19] <Myrtti> bigcalm: thanks :-D
[08:20] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I thought you were a bit younger than FB tells me. So, well done on that ;)
[08:20] <Myrtti> no, I'm about two weeks younger than Harry Potter :-P
[08:20] <Myrtti> that old git
[08:20] <bigcalm> Hah
[08:22]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[08:22] <bigcalm> Daniel Radcliffe is 25
[08:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:24] <Myrtti> bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_%28character%29
[08:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: good point, I didn't think about when the character may have been 'born'
[08:27] <bigcalm> I would like to read the books. But having watched the films, I fear that the written word won't be as magical
[08:28] <Myrtti> I don't have big issues with the books vs. movies
[08:28] <Myrtti> I listened to the books first before seeing the films, and I didn't have huge issues with the films
[08:28] <bigcalm> Ooo, audio books
[08:28] <bigcalm> Abridged?
[08:28] <Myrtti> you can tell which bits have been omitted, but there isn't that much that was lost
[08:28] <Myrtti> oh no, unabridged.
[08:29] <bigcalm> Great
[08:29] <Myrtti> by Stephen Fry
[08:29] <bigcalm> I wonder if they are on Spotify
[08:29] <bigcalm> Humm, maybe not
[08:52] <popey> What an _excellent_ morning
[08:55] <Myrtti> popey: _excellent_ or *excellent*?
[08:55] <Laney> /excellent/
[08:57] <popey> -excellent-
[08:58] <popey> Anyone know a good technical writer looking for work?
[09:01] <Myrtti> I'm trying to gauge the sarcasm
[09:02] <Myrtti> so was it sarcastically excellent, or genuinely excellent
[09:02] <popey> well. i successfully did some python/postgres/shell stuff which I haven't touched for a while, and that was fun
[09:03] <popey> worked till late yesterday to make it work, and this morning made and proposed a merge for it
[09:03] <popey> so yeah, thats good. just need to get it deployed
[09:19] <foobarry> why do i always wake up exhausted on my day off?
[09:20] <foobarry> day with the kids and my muscles are not working  toda
[09:20] <Myrtti> I wake up exhausted every day
[09:21] <foobarry> me too but especially bad on weekends
[09:21] <foobarry> and after chinese food
[09:21] <popey> ooh
[09:21] <popey> i know what I'm having for lunch, thanks foobarry
[09:22] <foobarry> leftovers?
[09:22] <foobarry> my wife had them for breakfast
[09:22] <foobarry> which is so wrong
[09:22] <popey> no, there's a chinese near here that does a lunch pack
[09:23] <popey> McChina Wok Away
[09:23] <foobarry> special fried rice with everything in
[09:23] <foobarry> i went to my local who i've gone to for 25 years
[09:24] <foobarry> she was asking about my brother who doesn't look much like me but she thinks we look the same
[09:24] <foobarry> then she said, your family always order chicken chop suey.
[09:24] <foobarry> i thought everyone always ordered it?
[09:25] <Laney> that's a takeaway-customer confidentiality violation
[09:25] <Laney> DISGUSTING
[09:25] <foobarry> is true though, i don't think there has ever been a foobarry family member who didn't order number 36 as part of a meal in 25 years
[09:25] <foobarry> my mum goes there too, and so did my dad
[09:26] <foobarry> and my sis
[09:26] <foobarry> so good business from them
[09:28] <popey> i have never ordered chicken chop suey
[09:28] <foobarry> :o
[09:28] <foobarry> :ooooooooo
[09:29] <foobarry> mind you, it varies from place to place. my local does the best i ever tasted
[09:29] <foobarry> and comes with a tomatoey sauce
[09:29] <foobarry> and their kitchen is on full view so you can see him cook it
[09:29] <Myrtti> we always do chicken and sweet corn soup. It's nice to dip the prawn crackers to
[09:29] <foobarry> http://www.buzzfeed.com/danieldalton/welcome-to-jurassic-park
[09:29] <foobarry> the "ghost ones" are wird
[09:29] <popey> we usually have duck+pancakes, and often szechuan spicy beef and probably lemon chicken.
[09:29] <foobarry> weird.
[09:30] <foobarry> sorry for buzzfeed link :P
[09:30] <popey> ooo, i haven't had chicken & sweet corn soup for years, could do with that
[09:32] <foobarry> if i ever have a last meal, it might be kung po chicken. since i can't eat that any more :(
[09:33] <popey> ooh not had that for a while either
[09:33] <popey> dammit, lunchtime needs to hurry up
[09:33] <popey> omg, i can order online
[09:33] <popey> This. Changes. Everything.
[09:37] <OERIAS> I just ran out of toilet paper!
[09:42] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:47] <popey> http://blog.highfivehq.com/posts/a-little-known-hack-from-japan-to-get-your-notebook-organized  gosh
[09:48] <bigcalm> Wow, cool
[10:07] <smittix> \o/
[10:14] <bigcalm> I know this is only day 2, and I've already raved about it, but I can't get over how much of a wonderful difference a decent keyboard is making. My hands are not getting tired and I'm typing more quickly.
[10:19] <bigcalm> I'm confused by the media keys on my new keyboard
[10:20] <bigcalm> In Keyboard Shortcuts, Sound and Media, I can set the various controls by pressing the media keys on the kb. But then using them doesn't do anything
[10:21] <bigcalm> So the Keyboard settings system is registering that I'm pressing the media keys. But then the media keys don't do anything
[10:22] <bigcalm> If I do something like shift+f8, that registers and works. But Fn+F1 doesn't
[10:24] <directhex> which keyboard?
[10:26] <directhex> i have a new keyboard arriving in a couple of hours
[10:29] <bigcalm> directhex: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00F1DOUXY
[10:30] <directhex> i too am getting an mx brown based keyboard
[10:30] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:30] <directhex> personally i think the pricing on Das is excessive, for what you get
[10:30] <bigcalm> I am in love with these switches
[10:31] <bigcalm> Maybe so. I'll be happy if they kb lasts for several years
[10:31] <directhex> nerds are a much smaller niche than gamers. for some market segments, the size of the gamer market massively lowers the baseline price. this includes mechanical keyboards
[10:31] <directhex> i'm paying the same money for a keyboard with the same switches... with backlit keys, and an aluminium design rather than plastic
[10:34] <bigcalm> Ah well :)
[10:35] <directhex> mostly i went with colour coordination :p
[10:35] <Laney> I'd pay /not/ to have backlit keys
[10:35]  * Laney shivers
[10:37] <bigcalm> Yeah, for me that's just something to go wrong
[10:37] <bigcalm> It's a feature that is sometimes handy on my laptop. But I don't have a need for it at my workstation
[10:39] <OERIAS> Aah shit! some asshole smeared his seat on the toilet!
[10:40] <bigcalm> !ohmy | OERIAS
[10:41] <bigcalm> That factoid has changed :S
[10:41] <OERIAS> bigcalm, I will speak in calm language
[10:41] <OERIAS> sorry
[10:42] <popey> OERIAS: you pulled the same "gag" in #ubuntu. Don't do it here. Find somewhere else to be childish.
[10:43] <OERIAS> okay i promise to moderate my language.
[10:43] <popey> !guidelines | OERIAS
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: oh that is a nice trick with the notepads
[12:01] <foobarry> does anyone find their chromecast shows colours too saturated and a bit dark?
[12:01] <foobarry> not sure how to fix, since watching normal telly is OK so i don't want change the brightness etc...unless it remembers settings per source?
[12:01] <foobarry> it=TV
[12:05] <popey> nope
[12:17] <foobarry> hmm
[12:17] <foobarry> colours are far too saturated
[12:17] <smittix> foobarry: what are you casting from?
[12:19] <foobarry> the youtube site on my laptop
[12:20] <foobarry> which means that the cc streams direct from youtube
[12:41] <smittix> ah
[12:42] <smittix> I need to find a decent DLNA media player
[12:42] <smittix> Something that I lets me watch videso from my NAS on my tv
[12:42] <foobarry> i am using plex + CC
[12:42] <smittix> That works then?
[12:43] <foobarry> yes
[12:43] <smittix> oh right
[12:43] <smittix> I will do that then.
[12:43] <foobarry> what's ur nas
[12:43] <smittix> WD My Cloud
[12:43] <foobarry> can u install plex server on it?
[12:43] <smittix> not sure
[12:43] <smittix> I'll check
[12:45] <smittix> Bah doesn't look possible
[12:46] <foobarry> buy a cheapo media player that u can connect the nas to?
[12:49] <smittix> Yeah just looking now.
[12:50] <smittix> http://web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=7909
[12:50] <smittix> Looks ok
[12:55] <shauno> way, way OT, but does anyone know the legalities of working remotely for a US corp?
[12:59] <directhex> The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
[12:59] <popey> I can haz kung po chicken ☻
[12:59] <directhex> The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
[12:59] <directhex> hm
[13:00] <popey> yeah, i started using plex, works brilliantly to cast to cc
[13:00] <directhex> i definitely feel a bit more resistance than on my wife's keyboard, but i don';t think i type with enough delicacy to really notice the tactile feel
[13:06] <Myrtti> cc?
[13:06] <Myrtti> chromecast.
[13:15] <popey> ya
[13:15] <popey> ended up re-watching Adjustment Beureau
[13:15] <popey> -typos
[13:21] <Myrtti> uh
[13:21] <Myrtti> my sister's cat sat on my laptop and managed to change something in the settings so that the only thing that is on normal brightness setting is the top bar
[13:21] <Myrtti> any ideas what went wrong?
[13:21] <Myrtti> or should I just reboot and hope for the best?
[13:26] <Myrtti> ah-ha
[13:26] <Myrtti> they managed to press F9 and put my Unity into Widget mode
[13:30] <popey> i have no idea what widget mode is ☻
[13:30] <Myrtti> popey: sticky notes and stuff like on Mac
[13:30] <popey> oh
[13:30] <popey> neat
[13:31] <Myrtti> assuming you've got an app that does widgets
[13:52] <Myrtti> bah. Stupid CoolComponents
[13:53] <Myrtti> why can't my RoyalMail tracking number actually show something
[14:07] <smittix> What's the best way to install Oracles Java in 14.04?
[14:10] <ujjain> I paid £10 to charity. They will receive £12,50, because I'm a UK tax payer, roight?
[14:12] <Laney> if you asked to use Gift Aid when you donated
[14:12] <Laney> otherwise you can contact them and they can claim it retrospectively
[14:30] <popey> smittix: define "best" ?
[14:45] <smittix> popey: For some reason I cannot get java to work with chrome
[14:45] <smittix> Trying to access an online device that requires java. I've installed J7 and it doesn't seem to work.
[15:37] <diddledan_> ubuntu touch is suddenly much more responsive on my maguro (galaxy-nexus) after a reflash with a utopic-daily-touch-preinstalled.img from a day or so ago - it's actually almost usable now - I'm thinking the slowness inherent in the device is something to do with IO maybe
[15:38] <diddledan_> I need to install iotop to check that theory
[15:39] <diddledan_> in other news: morning fellas :-)
[15:58] <popey> blimey, surprised it works on galaxy nexus
[15:58] <diddledan_> popey, it's partially a custo-job - I compiled the androidy bits myself and used the ubuntu bits from the pre-compiled download
[15:59] <popey> nice!
[15:59] <popey> is there an image you could make available?
[16:00] <diddledan_> I flashed using rootstock which doesn't make a nice image first but does everything on the device. Is there a howto for building a redistributable image anyplace?
[16:05] <daftykins> diddledan_: i wonder if TRIM on the NAND being available or not could have an impact?
[16:05] <diddledan_> daftykins, good thinking
[16:05] <diddledan_> IIRC TRIM was an issue on the GNex?
[16:06] <daftykins> i think it's attributed to all smartphones performance degradation when they've never been updated to android 4.3+ or simply never had it
[16:11]  * diddledan_ runs fstrim on it
[16:12] <daftykins> http://anandtech.com/show/8327/browser-faceoff-battery-life-explored-2014
[16:13] <daftykins> interesting article
[16:16] <diddledan_> hmm, unity8-dash is using a ton of ram - nearly 240MB
[16:20] <popey> colour me unsurprised
[16:22] <diddledan_> using over 256MB of swap on there in total now
[16:24] <diddledan_> I think the slowness can possibly be chalked up to just swapping
[16:55] <mapps> goijhow on earth have i amassed all the bad habbits
[16:55] <diddledan_> all of them?
[16:55] <diddledan_> that's a lot of bad habbits
[16:56] <arsen> anyone carry around a 15" mbp/retina? i want some case ideas for mine :(
[16:58] <mapps> whats that
[16:58] <daftykins> macbook pro
[16:58] <daftykins> arsen: ah-ha, back to the premium system eh ;)
[17:01] <arsen> hihi :)
[17:02] <arsen> yeah, brand new thin 15
[17:02] <arsen> :D
[17:02] <arsen> i7/16gig/500gig ssd
[17:02] <mapps> :D
[17:02] <mapps> nice
[17:02] <mapps> i want 17inch tho thats why i dont buy one
[17:03] <arsen> kinda wanted to at least be able to carry this
[17:03] <arsen> but needs to power two thunderbolt displays
[17:05] <diddledan_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzD01Hu1nPs :-D
[17:07] <daftykins> 17 >_<
[17:07] <mapps> carry where
[17:07] <arsen> home/office, flights/business travel
[17:07] <diddledan_> hmm, chromium done hung
[17:10] <arsen> i may actually flip to a 13'mbp but tbd.
[17:20] <mapps> argh
[17:20] <mapps> i cant find my cigarettes
[17:20] <mapps> :(
[17:20] <mapps> nearest shop is 20min walk
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> no better time to quit then
[17:21] <DJones> mapps: Thats a hint, give up
[17:21] <DJones> Heh MS updates bring about BSOD http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/08/14/1713227/microsoft-black-tuesday-patches-bring-blue-screens-of-death?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> heh oops
[17:23] <daftykins> not the first time and certainly won't be the last
[17:23] <diddledan_> is it cyber-wednesday the day after black tuesday?
[17:23] <daftykins> all my ones i'm responsible for are fine
[17:23] <daftykins> of course, i keep hearing about bricked updates in #ubuntu ...
[17:24] <diddledan_> I've never heard patch-tuesday referred to as "black tuesday"
[17:24] <daftykins> nah, nor i
[17:25] <diddledan_> and actually perpetuating that idea (black) suggests to the layman that it's a bad thing
[17:25] <diddledan_> patching is good for security people, I don't care what OS you're on, as long as you patch it up the wazoo
[17:25] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:26] <diddledan_> IE8 is going to stay around until 2016 according to microsoft :-(
[17:26] <diddledan_> that sucks
[17:27] <daftykins> nice that they're piling on the pressure though
[17:27] <diddledan_> at least with XP's retirement I can finally have an argument with clients over IE6 and 7
[17:27] <daftykins> this 'disabling outdated java plugins' is a nice one too
[17:27] <arsen> maybe i'll just get a sleeve until i decide
[17:27] <arsen> i like the booq mamba slim bag but its $$$$$$
[17:28] <daftykins> if this 64GB Oneplus One i ordered ever turns up i'll be on the case dilemma bandwagon
[17:28] <diddledan_> ooh
[17:28] <Azelphur> daftykins: got a oneplus? nice
[17:28] <diddledan_> you went for one of those, eh?
[17:29] <diddledan_> I'm not sure I could do without google-mind-control
[17:29] <daftykins> Azelphur: well i got an invite, it explicitly said they don't ship to Guernsey =| as is becoming the new norm
[17:29] <diddledan_> ffs
[17:29] <diddledan_> why?
[17:29] <daftykins> so i ordered to Guernsey, UK :D
[17:29] <diddledan_> lol
[17:30] <daftykins> so it *might* be shipped, i can't really tell
[17:30] <Azelphur> daftykins: haha
[17:30] <daftykins> i really don't know why they refuse us, it's really quite frustrating
[17:30] <diddledan_> I don't get what reasoning companies have for excluding the Channel Islands
[17:30] <daftykins> could be something to do with Google telling them 'don't sell android devices to these places where we refuse to deal with VAT deduction'
[17:30] <diddledan_> yeah, jink
[17:30] <diddledan_> jinx
[17:31] <daftykins> 'cause i think as i may have mentioned to you guys before, Google's Play store doesn't let us buy apps or media
[17:31] <diddledan_> that sucks
[17:32] <daftykins> ooh i got the replacement WD 2TB Re (enterprise) disk to replace the 6th of an array of 8 in my clients file server today
[17:32] <daftykins> 6 of 8 WD2002FYPS' have now died, at varying intervals during their 5 year warranty
[17:32] <diddledan_> \o/
[17:33] <daftykins> with any luck the last two will pop within the next 200 days to remain in-warranty :D
[17:34] <diddledan_> that's quite handy - it would be less so if it was a personal system without any redundancy/backup
[17:36] <daftykins> well, the films on it are his DVD collection all ripped 1:1
[17:36] <daftykins> for the various XBMC HTPCs i have setup around the house
[17:36] <diddledan_> hehe
[17:36] <daftykins> so those aren't getting backed up, but the important data is
[17:36] <diddledan_> nice setup
[17:37] <diddledan_> it's still a RAID array tho, so a single drive isn't going to lose the data
[17:37] <daftykins> he has asked about backing it up, so what i said was when the warranty on these end, we'll get another set of disks and use that set as a copy
[17:37] <daftykins> yep, double parity mode 6 too so it needs 3+ failures at once
[17:59] <mapps> ugh
[17:59] <mapps> the net still sucks on trai ns
[17:59] <mapps> theyu always say theyre improving it..yea sure
[17:59] <mapps> total toilet
[18:00] <Azelphur> I just tether everywhere
[18:01] <daftykins> it's these little times free from connection that you should enjoy :)
[18:02] <directhex> the wifi on trains is provided by 3g, so if the 3g reception sucks, so does the wifi
[18:03] <Azelphur> directhex: except it's probably congested
[18:03] <Azelphur> my phone is my connection with no caps \o/
[18:03] <directhex> i'm on orange, i have no bandwidth
[18:03] <mapps> pfff daftykins
[18:03] <daftykins> <every orange subscriber i've known> but i get film tickets!
[18:03] <mapps> yea directhex
[18:03] <daftykins> ¬_¬
[18:04] <mapps> except my phone seems better
[18:04] <directhex> i have a kid, when am i going to go to see a movie?
[18:04] <mapps> ah yea so its 3g shared whereas my 3g is on my own
[18:04] <mapps> :D
[18:04] <directhex> if i get a day off from the kid, i'm going to an orgy, not a cinema
[18:04] <mapps> im on orange directhex  and 3g has got worse in last 6mths
[18:04] <directhex> it takes a few minutes for twitter links to load for me
[18:04] <mapps> yea
[18:04] <mapps> it sucks
[18:04] <directhex> i am jelly of wife's Three
[18:05] <mapps> 4g is ok..ive got a 4g contract too atm and unlimited 3g with orange
[18:05] <mapps> iphone 5 and 5s
[18:05] <mapps> :D
[18:05] <diddledan_> I've made an effect using css(3?) which is actually quite effective yet surprisingly simple to produce: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xtb960lwpro1ou/Screenshot%20from%202014-08-14%2019%3A04%3A46.png
[18:06] <mapps> i got all my amazon orders now yay
[18:06] <mapps> was waitong for like 11 things
[18:06] <mapps> :D
[18:09] <daftykins> :O i love waiting for things
[18:10] <daftykins> i specifically choose the cheapest/free shipping these days so i get the best part for longer
[18:10] <daftykins> think of the cumulative savings too O_O
[18:10] <shauno> you must love China then ;)
[18:14] <daftykins> lawl
[18:17] <diddledan_> how would you describe this heading: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xtb960lwpro1ou/Screenshot%20from%202014-08-14%2019%3A04%3A46.png
[18:17] <diddledan_> I'm trying to think of a name to give it
[18:18] <diddledan_> needs at least two parts
[18:18] <diddledan_> part1-part2 e.g.
[18:18] <smittix> woe is me
[18:18] <diddledan_> I'm thinking it's similar to train platform signs
[18:19] <daftykins> smittix: why-so?
[18:19] <smittix> Computer troubles all day heh
[18:25] <daftykins> fun times
[18:43] <daftykins> Meanwhile, on Guernsey - https://www.dropbox.com/s/cknwz15dzskq2jo/IMG_20140812_232336.jpg
[18:46] <shauno> I guess they didn't have much luck with the fishing equipment
[18:48] <davmor2> daftykins: why would they won't crabs, don't they know that would be the end of there love life :D
[18:48] <davmor2> Lobsters and oysters are the ones to get surely
[18:48] <daftykins> lol, you have some quirky typing sir, but i got it
[18:55] <davmor2> daftykins: deliberately :)
[18:55] <daftykins> deliberate 'won't for 'want' 0o
[18:55] <daftykins> and 'there' fail
[18:55] <daftykins> y u do dis!?
[18:55]  * daftykins chases davmor2 with an English refresher course
[18:58] <davmor2> daftykins: dyslexia is a git, I go with the one that sounds right
[18:59] <daftykins> oh you're that guy :) my bad
[18:59] <daftykins> my nick database seems off today
[19:00] <davmor2> daftykins: I think bigcalm too and I'm sure there was someone else too
[19:00] <diddledan_> daftykins, "that guy"
[19:00] <bigcalm> Humm?
[19:01] <bigcalm> What me too?
[19:01] <bigcalm> Or, me too what?
[19:01] <diddledan_> I think dyslexia is God's way of punishing those of us that like to pretend we're clever
[19:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: dyslexia
[19:02] <bigcalm> Oh
[19:02]  * bigcalm goes away again
[19:02]  * diddledan_ chases bigcalm 
[19:04] <davmor2> diddledan_: I just thought it was a thing for busy minds,   My head is too busy thinking up new ways to destroy your software to possibly think how to spell a word
[19:07] <diddledan_> davmor2, yeah, that might make sense. My mind is usually a dark void so it has time to spot "mistakes" but is so set in it's ways that it refuses to assume dyslexia or other patterns and instead moans and gets me into trouble with the "offender" for being offensive
[19:07] <diddledan_> my brian is a curse
[19:08] <diddledan_> (yes I spelt that correctly!)
[19:08] <davmor2> diddledan_: you have a brian
[19:09] <diddledan_> :-)
[19:09] <davmor2> diddledan_: is it your son, and is the curse hear oi bry everywhere you go?
[19:10] <diddledan_> I don't have any kids :-)
[19:10] <diddledan_> brian is the strange bloke who sits inside my head
[19:10] <diddledan_> he makes me do bad things :-p
[19:10] <davmor2> diddledan_: oh that's worse still :D
[19:22] <diddledan_> http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/13/5998273/who-owns-a-language-wikipedia-palawa-kani-raises-old-debate
[19:22] <diddledan_> interesting
[20:08] <zleap> hey Pendulum
[20:08] <zleap> sorry hey popey
[20:22] <diddledan_> I've packaged my method into a "web component" for polymer: http://diddledan.github.io/broadway-heading/
[20:22] <diddledan_> I guess I need to point out that it's for polymer
[21:23] <daftykins> any thoughts on whether 14.04 would be having issues run on an old NVIDIA Quadro FX 350M ?
[21:23] <daftykins> it's borked after an upgrade from precise
[21:24] <daftykins> nouveau seems to come up with some funky issues with detecting the aspect ratio, heh
[21:24] <popey> ooh, thats old isnt it
[21:25] <daftykins> indeed! XP era machine
[21:25] <daftykins> http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/dell-precision-m65-review-pics-specs/
[21:26] <zleap> daftykins, there is a ubuntu system called Torios in development based on 12.04 for v1 and then 14.04 for v2  that is designed to be minimal may be good for old XP machiens
[21:26] <popey> that wont help
[21:26] <popey> the video driver will be the same
[21:26] <daftykins> certainly won't help this user with a broken install
[21:27] <popey> eek
[21:27] <daftykins> well apparently it gets to login ok, but the user session fails to start
[21:27] <popey> zleap: what desktop does Torios use?
[21:27] <zleap> jwm
[21:27] <popey> wossat?
[21:27] <zleap> http://torios.org/
[21:27] <zleap> hold on
[21:28] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWM
[21:28] <popey> found it
[21:28] <zleap> yeah
[21:28] <zleap> http://joewing.net/projects/jwm/
[21:29] <diddledan_> is jwm any relation to joe the text editor? :-p
[21:30] <diddledan_> "Joe's window manager"
[21:30] <zleap> not sure
[21:30] <zleap> i use joe text editor
[21:30] <zleap> in fact I wrote a command reference thingy for it
[21:31] <diddledan_> I think it's a bit narcissistic to name something after yourself :-p
[21:33] <zleap> diddledan_, where do you think Linus got Linux from
[21:33] <diddledan_> hehe
[21:33] <diddledan_> mikeos is where it's at
[21:33] <diddledan_> http://mikeos.sourceforge.net/
[22:04] <zleap> diddledan_, that looks useful or some of the links from there do
[22:05] <diddledan_> zleap, yup
[22:26] <daftykins> diddledan_: hey buddy old pal...
[22:26] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8048891/
[22:26] <daftykins> none of that would prevent a session starting would it :/
[22:27] <diddledan_> french >.<
[22:27] <diddledan_> :-p
[22:27] <daftykins> ;D
[22:27] <daftykins> yeah i thought that, but skype going funky shouldn't affect a whole session right 0o
[22:28] <diddledan_> I don't think so - nothing looks relevant there
[22:28] <daftykins> i've even suggested a unity reset, but that did nothing
[22:28] <diddledan_> grr
[22:28] <daftykins> i wonder if it's worth trying an nvidia driver, the Xorg log looks alright though
[22:29] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8048532/
[22:29] <diddledan_> you mentioned that it's getting the login prompt but not further?
[22:29] <daftykins> apparently a single window opens stating "system problem detected"
[22:29] <daftykins> but no mouse pointer and nothing bar a purple image
[22:29] <diddledan_> is there an ".xsession-errors" in the user's home folder?
[22:30] <arsen> bwaha winning. i have work branded free clothes :D
[22:30] <diddledan_> or similar naming I never get that correct
[22:30] <zleap> daftykins, i get that with xubuntu
[22:30] <daftykins> arsen: O_O
[22:30] <daftykins> diddledan_: that's what the first link above was
[22:31] <diddledan_> aah
[22:31] <diddledan_> ignore me then :-p
[22:32] <daftykins> hehe no worries
[22:32] <daftykins> i don't know anything beyond the above to diagnose this one
[22:32] <daftykins> i'm suggesting running a unity reset whilst it's sat there stalled this time
[22:32] <daftykins> before i suggested doing so after stopping lightdm
[22:32] <zleap> i am pff
[22:33] <daftykins> zleap: hmm? :)
[22:33] <zleap> off
[22:33] <zleap> sorry
[22:33] <daftykins> oh, nn sir
[22:33] <zleap> i will see if I can find out how to find out why i get system problem detected
[22:33] <daftykins> :D
[22:34] <daftykins> this one was a botched upgrade
[22:34] <zleap> this is a clean install
[22:34] <daftykins> preserved /home or nothing at all?
[22:34] <zleap> but it must be more to do with ubuntu as i had the same with xubuntu and lubuntu
[22:34] <zleap> fully clean then copied /home contents back over
[22:34] <zleap> i will chat tomorrow anyway
[22:34] <zleap> nite
[22:35] <diddledan_> daftykins, it might be a problem with preserved settings in which case to test that theory you can try adding a new user account
[22:35] <daftykins> *nod* sounds good sir
[22:36] <daftykins> the other thing i would've done is maybe move .config to .configold as a quick test
[22:36] <diddledan_> if it is a problem with saved settings then the simplest way to fix it is to nuke a couple .folders
[22:36] <daftykins> but yeah, better not to mess with user data
[22:36] <diddledan_> yeah, .config is one, I think .local is the other
[22:36] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[22:37] <diddledan_> the problem is doing that kills off unrelated program settings too so many many many apps start with a blank slate
[22:37] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:38] <daftykins> as long as none are run and it's just used as a quick test it should be grand
[22:41] <diddledan_> jeez, they're still making new police academy films
[22:42] <diddledan_> (it was the "many many many" that got me googling)
[22:42] <daftykins> O_O!
[22:42] <daftykins> where'd many many many come from?
[22:47] <diddledan_> I can't find any clips of it but it's the old boy, eric lissard who goes on about his "many many many fine officers" and other things
[22:49] <daftykins> aaaah :D
[23:03] <daftykins> diddledan_: lol i suggested .cache, .local and .config be renamed, still no go
[23:04] <diddledan_> foo
[23:04] <daftykins> at this point i think it might be too broken for a new user even
[23:04] <daftykins> kinda tempted to try an nvidia driver anyway just to be sure
[23:05] <diddledan_> might it be worth a check on a live-disc-based boot?
[23:06] <daftykins> mmm that would make sense, wonder if it's an option
[23:09] <daftykins> apparently it's the only computer
[23:09] <daftykins> heh
[23:09] <diddledan_> oh, you're remote?
[23:09] <daftykins> what about installing an alternative DE like xfce?
[23:09] <daftykins> yeah me to someone to someone via phone i'm horrified to say :S
[23:10] <diddledan_> eek
[23:10] <daftykins> they told a friend to use ubuntu on this antique and now it's totally trashed :D
[23:11] <diddledan_> well if it's missing any packages then running tasksel and selecting "ubuntu desktop" should install all the default packages if they're not present. follow it with a reboot if it installed anything and check logging-in again
[23:12] <daftykins> mmm, wonder if i could also say to remove ubuntu-desktop and install xubuntu-desktop
[23:12] <diddledan_> oh, looks like it needs installing first, so sudo apt-get install tasksel
[23:12] <daftykins> or skip the first and just go straight to xubuntu-desktop
[23:14] <arsen> reminds me, need to reinstall my laptop
[23:14] <arsen> or fix the laptop suspend .. somehow on resume it fails to turn the screen back on :/ pita
[23:15] <daftykins> did you say you were using xubuntu?
[23:16] <daftykins> as i think someone said that's in the release notes as a known bug, heh
[23:16] <arsen> gnome classic, but happens regardless of DE
[23:16] <arsen> mine doesnt seem to be the common bug (use osmething other htan xubuntu)
[23:18] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:18] <daftykins> i'm typing from this old Sony of the boss's today
[23:18] <daftykins> kinda funny not being able to watch a flash vid 'cause it sucks so bad
[23:22] <diddledan_> HEXIE!
[23:22] <diddledan_> damn that peer
[23:22] <daftykins> every time :(
[23:44] <diddledan_> chromium has hung on me again
[23:44] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:49] <popey> yeah, i switched to chrome after chromium went down hill recently
[23:51] <diddledan_> do the unity added sugar work with google's chrome?
[23:52] <diddledan_> i.e. unity-chromium-extension and unity-scope-chromiumbookmarks
[23:52] <daftykins> apparently editing ~/.dmrc is enough to change default session at login? 0o
[23:52] <diddledan_> daftykins, seems legit
[23:53] <daftykins> wow, user didn't have the file
[23:54] <popey> dunno
[23:54] <daftykins> user got xubuntu-desktop installed but i think it was stuck on running unity as the default session
[23:55] <daftykins> lightdm.conf might be the next option