[00:47] <IdleOne> thank you whoever removed +r
[07:43] <Pricey> hggdh: Sorted?
[10:48] <hggdh> Pricey: not yet...
[10:49] <hggdh> so, can you please +Ff to me: #ubuntu-br, #ubuntu-br-dev, #ubuntu-br-doc, #ubuntu-br-meeting, and #ubuntu-br-tradutores? Thank you
[10:53] <Pricey> hggdh: Can you double check that list please?
[10:56] <hggdh> Pricey: checked. All of them need to be brought into compliance
[10:58] <Pricey> hggdh: Can you triple check please?
[10:58] <Pricey> hggdh: Specifically the last 3
[11:02] <hggdh> Pricey: bah. Consequence of not having had coffee yet. At least, this is my gateway.
[11:02] <hggdh> Pricey: -br, -br-dev, -br-doc
[11:04]  * hggdh goes AFK for the next few hours
[11:04] <tsimpson> so, anyone on the council doing anything to bring the -uds-* channels in-line with our guidelines and/or migrate to -uos-*?
[11:05] <Pricey> hggdh: Still doesn't look right..
[11:06] <Pricey> hggdh: I'll transfer two, let me know if something else needs doing..
[13:43] <bazhang> I'm not a bot.
[13:43] <bazhang> beep
[18:53] <Beldar> hey I believe robothead is a bot no answers or comments but has ircbot in it's info
[18:56] <Unit193> Not as likely, irssi.
[18:57] <knome> it wouldn't be too weird to run an irssi instance as a bot :)
[18:57] <Pici> thats what ubuntulog is.
[18:57] <Unit193> I know, I've kind of done it.
[18:57] <Unit193> Yep, ollld irssi IIRC.
[18:57] <knome> me too.
[20:09] <Pici> That was something.
[20:09] <genii> Most of em from the same IP
[20:09] <Flannel> All the same IP, yeah.
[20:10] <tomaw> klined a fair bit of it
[20:11] <rww> thanks tomaw
[20:11] <tomaw> this is a person that has a more than a few things that skip through the proxy checkers
[20:11] <IdleOne> how come I have pastry on
[20:12] <rww> because you opped up 22 hours ago and never deopped
[20:12] <rww> assuming my /lastlog is not misleading me
[20:12] <IdleOne> sounds about right
[20:15] <IdleOne> I have a feeling you're either going to ban him or i will
[20:18] <bazhang> was that chippyleet?
[20:18] <IdleOne> no idea
[20:21] <Flannel> This is going to be fun -_-
[20:23] <marvin-hh> Can anyone explain what you have against freedom of speech?
[20:24] <rww> ubottu: freedom of speech
[20:24] <rww> of course not
[20:24] <rww> ubottu: freedomofspeech
[20:24] <marvin-hh> If Canonical would simply build a working operating system in the first place, I wouldn't have to point out its flaws.
[20:24] <rww> now where did it go
[20:24] <Flannel> marvin-hh: First off, there's no such thing on IRC.
[20:24] <Flannel> !freespeech
[20:24] <Flannel> rww: that's what you're looking for.
[20:25] <rww> thanks Flannel
[20:25] <rww> ubottu: freedomofspeech is <alias> freespeech
[20:25] <rww> ubottu: freedom of speech is <alias> freespeech
[20:26] <marvin-hh> Flannel: so, what is #ubuntu then? An alias for #bunchofnazis?
[20:26] <Flannel> marvin-hh: So, look.  I'm going to save us all some time by just giving it to your straight.
[20:26] <Flannel> Also, save you some grief, since I think the sooner we're done, the less deep of a hole you're going to have put yourself in.
[20:27] <marvin-hh> The only thing I have done is told someone that upgrading in its current state is a bad idea.
[20:27] <marvin-hh> There is plenty of documented proof for that.
[20:27] <Flannel> marvin-hh: Yes, warning people about potential problems is on topic.  However your tone was not appropriate.  Given the fact that you were previously walking a line, your leash was temporarily shorter.
[20:27] <marvin-hh> The only thing I can think of which remains is that you want to actually damage the interests of users.
[20:28] <Flannel> After you were removed, you came back and were still indignant, which is why you were removed so we can have this discussion in here.
[20:28] <rww> The only secret motive we have here is keeping #ubuntu free of axe-grinding so that people can actually get useful support.
[20:28] <Flannel> Now, your discussion in here started off on the wrong foot, which is why your ban won't be resolved at this time.
[20:28] <rww> Flannel and I especially do not care one whit for Canonical's reputation or other such nonsense.
[20:28] <marvin-hh> I asked a question in #ubuntu about Xorg and nobody answered.
[20:29] <chu> Patience is a virtue!
[20:29] <marvin-hh> So, whatever *you* were doing wasn't support.
[20:29] <Flannel> When you've cooled off a bit, and can discuss this like a normal person, I'm eager to get your ban resolved, but I'm going to give you at least 12 hours to cool off, so please come back "tomorrow".
[20:29] <rww> That happens sometimes, yes. Since #ubuntu is community-staffed, sometimes people do not know everything.
[20:29] <rww> @btlogin
[20:29] <marvin-hh> This has nothing to do with not knowing everything; the Xorg issues have existed since at least 2012 judging from a quick Google.
[20:30] <marvin-hh> This means that if there is a community, its power is virtually zero.
[20:30] <marvin-hh> Its power to effect change in the world, that is.
[20:30] <rww> Okay. You're welcome to look for support elsewhere in addition to #ubuntu if you don't personally find #ubuntu useful.
[20:30] <rww> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/ has links to various places.
[20:31] <marvin-hh> I don't think you should be calling yourself a community, if you aren't one.
[20:31] <marvin-hh> What makes you believe it's actually a community?
[20:31] <chu> We'll take your opinion into account in the future.
[20:31] <marvin-hh> Do you have any events? Are there strong social connections amongst its members?
[20:31] <marvin-hh> If so, how many?
[20:31] <marvin-hh> Do you measure those?
[20:31] <Flannel> marvin-hh: Again, nothing is going to get resolved right now, so please stop this discussion and when you come back later, we'll work to resolve your ban.
[20:31] <rww> marvin-hh: I don't think anyone in here is particularly interested in philosophical musings about whether #ubuntu-* is a community or not. Are you looking to resolve your ban so you can get back in #ubuntu, or not?
[20:32] <rww> ah, I guess we're setting that aside for a bit anyway. So yes, what Flannel said.
[20:32] <marvin-hh> If not, aren't you just saying a bunch of things without anything to back it up?
[20:32] <marvin-hh> Do you do this often?
[20:32] <knome> marvin-hh, please stop the nonsense and stop wasting everybody's time here.
[20:33] <marvin-hh> I am asking simple questions here. If you cannot even answer those, why would I believe in this "community"? If you say that there is a large group of self-interested individuals and or companies which might or might not use Ubuntu then that might be true, but that doesn't make it a community.
[20:33] <Flannel> marvin-hh: Whether we can or cannot answer these questions, no one is going to answer them currently.  Come back later after cooling off.  See you then.
[20:33] <knome> marvin-hh, this is the wrong forum to ask those questions.
[20:34] <marvin-hh> knome: the right forum is the wind?
[20:34] <Pici> Perhaps this would be better if one person dealt with the questions.... like Flannel here.
[20:34]  * rww nods and steps back
[20:34] <marvin-hh> All I am seeing you do is evading questions.
[20:34] <marvin-hh> Not exactly convincing for your position.
[20:35] <Flannel> marvin-hh: I am ignoring questions, beacuse they're not going to be answered right now.  Come back later once you've cleared your head and we'll get your ban resolved.
[20:35] <marvin-hh> Anyway, you have had your chance.
[20:35] <Flannel> marvin-hh: See you later.
[20:35] <marvin-hh> Flannel: DJones removed my ban, because he considered me to be a reasonable person.
[20:36] <marvin-hh> Flannel: well a +q.
[20:36] <marvin-hh> Flannel: as such, you are now in direct contradiction with him.
[20:36] <marvin-hh> Flannel: so, have fun sorting that out.
[20:36] <marvin-hh> DJones: see above.
[20:36] <Flannel> marvin-hh: Will do.  Talk to you later.
[20:36] <marvin-hh> Flannel: I sure hope not. You are a very boring person, if you are in fact one.
[20:36] <chu> lol
[20:36] <marvin-hh> Flannel: you sound like a badly programmed bot.
[20:37] <rww> I can confirm that Flannel is a human :)
[20:37] <marvin-hh> Nothing personal, just a fact. I bet you hear that often.
[20:37] <Flannel> Yes, I am.  You've got me.  Now, have a nice day, and we'll see you soon.
[20:38] <marvin-hh> There is nothing left for me to say to you.
[20:38] <rww> Okay. Have a nice day, and please /part to keep the channel free for other issues.
[20:39] <marvin-hh> Flannel: you basically said that my, I quote, "tone", was not appropriate.
[20:39] <marvin-hh> You really have a hard time with constructing an argument, don't you?
[20:39] <rww> oh for pete's sake
[20:39] <Flannel> marvin-hh: I did say your tone was inappropriate, yes.  That's why you're not in #ubuntu right now.
[20:39] <marvin-hh> I recommend you do some training in forming arguments.
[20:40] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops marvin-hh failed to resolve #ubuntu ban, asked to return when clear-headed by Flannel, failed to take hints about leaving; kicked; rejoined; banned for a few minutes
[20:43] <rww> (hopefully he got the point)
[20:45] <Pici> ikonia: was a ban needed for that?
[20:45] <ikonia> yes
[20:45] <ikonia> picking up where he left off in ops
[20:45] <ikonia> there is zero need for the utter crap he's spewing to kick off in ANY other channel
[20:45] <Flannel> ikonia: No, he picked up from where he left off in #u
[20:46] <ikonia> no, he really didn't
[20:46] <Flannel> yeah, we went back to graphics "support"
[20:46] <ikonia> "please provide proof before pressing enter"
[20:46] <ikonia> he's just being a tool
[20:46] <ikonia> you want to try to negotiate with him - enjoy
[20:46] <ikonia> there is zero real discussion with him
[20:46]  * rww goes afk
[20:47] <Flannel> ikonia: Sorry, you made this bed.  Banning everyone you don't like is not an appropriate policy.
[20:47] <ikonia> what bed ?
[20:47] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with not liking him
[20:55] <IdleOne> So I set the ban I placed in #ubuntu to expire in 7 days. Flannel if you want to adjust that feel free
[21:05] <Pici> lag
[21:05] <Pici> ty
[21:07] <genii> It makes me sort of sad to see it was some .fi there
[21:07] <k1l> there are idiots everwhere, so dont get too sad for your country.
[21:07] <bazhang> that was insane
[21:08] <bazhang> genii is FINNISH?
[21:09] <chu> Nah, he's Canadian. But this is IRC, and everyone on IRC loves all things Finnish.
[21:09] <bazhang> I thought canadien
[21:09] <bazhang> ah phew
[21:09] <k1l> everyone likes vodka and so likes finnland :)
[21:10] <bazhang> yet the finns go to .ru for cheap vodka
[22:08] <hggdh> Pricey: yes indeed my fault. Sorry