[00:47] thank you whoever removed +r === phunyguy__ is now known as phunyguy [07:43] hggdh: Sorted? [10:48] Pricey: not yet... [10:49] so, can you please +Ff to me: #ubuntu-br, #ubuntu-br-dev, #ubuntu-br-doc, #ubuntu-br-meeting, and #ubuntu-br-tradutores? Thank you [10:53] hggdh: Can you double check that list please? [10:56] Pricey: checked. All of them need to be brought into compliance [10:58] hggdh: Can you triple check please? [10:58] hggdh: Specifically the last 3 [11:02] Pricey: bah. Consequence of not having had coffee yet. At least, this is my gateway. [11:02] Pricey: -br, -br-dev, -br-doc [11:04] * hggdh goes AFK for the next few hours [11:04] so, anyone on the council doing anything to bring the -uds-* channels in-line with our guidelines and/or migrate to -uos-*? [11:05] hggdh: Still doesn't look right.. [11:06] hggdh: I'll transfer two, let me know if something else needs doing.. === Mamarok is now known as Guest56706 [13:43] I'm not a bot. [13:43] beep === Guest56706 is now known as Mamarok === Mamarok is now known as Guest19817 === Guest19817 is now known as Mamarok [18:53] hey I believe robothead is a bot no answers or comments but has ircbot in it's info [18:56] Not as likely, irssi. [18:57] it wouldn't be too weird to run an irssi instance as a bot :) [18:57] thats what ubuntulog is. [18:57] I know, I've kind of done it. [18:57] Yep, ollld irssi IIRC. [18:57] me too. [20:08] MonkeyDust called the ops in #ubuntu () [20:09] That was something. [20:09] Most of em from the same IP [20:09] All the same IP, yeah. [20:10] klined a fair bit of it [20:11] thanks tomaw [20:11] this is a person that has a more than a few things that skip through the proxy checkers [20:11] how come I have pastry on [20:12] because you opped up 22 hours ago and never deopped [20:12] assuming my /lastlog is not misleading me [20:12] sounds about right [20:15] I have a feeling you're either going to ban him or i will [20:18] was that chippyleet? [20:18] no idea [20:21] This is going to be fun -_- [20:23] Can anyone explain what you have against freedom of speech? [20:24] ubottu: freedom of speech [20:24] rww: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [20:24] of course not [20:24] ubottu: freedomofspeech [20:24] If Canonical would simply build a working operating system in the first place, I wouldn't have to point out its flaws. [20:24] now where did it go [20:24] marvin-hh: First off, there's no such thing on IRC. [20:24] !freespeech [20:24] Please don't pepper the channel with cries of buzzwords like "free speech!", especially when you don't know what they mean or if they're applicable to the current situation. See http://tonyyarusso.com/politics/what-free-speech-isnt for more information. [20:24] rww: that's what you're looking for. [20:25] thanks Flannel [20:25] ubottu: freedomofspeech is freespeech [20:25] I'll remember that, rww [20:25] ubottu: freedom of speech is freespeech [20:25] I'll remember that, rww [20:26] Flannel: so, what is #ubuntu then? An alias for #bunchofnazis? [20:26] marvin-hh: So, look. I'm going to save us all some time by just giving it to your straight. [20:26] Also, save you some grief, since I think the sooner we're done, the less deep of a hole you're going to have put yourself in. [20:27] The only thing I have done is told someone that upgrading in its current state is a bad idea. [20:27] There is plenty of documented proof for that. [20:27] marvin-hh: Yes, warning people about potential problems is on topic. However your tone was not appropriate. Given the fact that you were previously walking a line, your leash was temporarily shorter. [20:27] The only thing I can think of which remains is that you want to actually damage the interests of users. [20:28] After you were removed, you came back and were still indignant, which is why you were removed so we can have this discussion in here. [20:28] The only secret motive we have here is keeping #ubuntu free of axe-grinding so that people can actually get useful support. [20:28] Now, your discussion in here started off on the wrong foot, which is why your ban won't be resolved at this time. [20:28] Flannel and I especially do not care one whit for Canonical's reputation or other such nonsense. [20:28] I asked a question in #ubuntu about Xorg and nobody answered. [20:29] Patience is a virtue! [20:29] So, whatever *you* were doing wasn't support. [20:29] When you've cooled off a bit, and can discuss this like a normal person, I'm eager to get your ban resolved, but I'm going to give you at least 12 hours to cool off, so please come back "tomorrow". [20:29] That happens sometimes, yes. Since #ubuntu is community-staffed, sometimes people do not know everything. [20:29] @btlogin [20:29] This has nothing to do with not knowing everything; the Xorg issues have existed since at least 2012 judging from a quick Google. [20:30] This means that if there is a community, its power is virtually zero. [20:30] Its power to effect change in the world, that is. [20:30] Okay. You're welcome to look for support elsewhere in addition to #ubuntu if you don't personally find #ubuntu useful. [20:30] http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/ has links to various places. [20:31] I don't think you should be calling yourself a community, if you aren't one. [20:31] What makes you believe it's actually a community? [20:31] We'll take your opinion into account in the future. [20:31] Do you have any events? Are there strong social connections amongst its members? [20:31] If so, how many? [20:31] Do you measure those? [20:31] marvin-hh: Again, nothing is going to get resolved right now, so please stop this discussion and when you come back later, we'll work to resolve your ban. [20:31] marvin-hh: I don't think anyone in here is particularly interested in philosophical musings about whether #ubuntu-* is a community or not. Are you looking to resolve your ban so you can get back in #ubuntu, or not? [20:32] ah, I guess we're setting that aside for a bit anyway. So yes, what Flannel said. [20:32] If not, aren't you just saying a bunch of things without anything to back it up? [20:32] Do you do this often? [20:32] marvin-hh, please stop the nonsense and stop wasting everybody's time here. [20:33] I am asking simple questions here. If you cannot even answer those, why would I believe in this "community"? If you say that there is a large group of self-interested individuals and or companies which might or might not use Ubuntu then that might be true, but that doesn't make it a community. [20:33] marvin-hh: Whether we can or cannot answer these questions, no one is going to answer them currently. Come back later after cooling off. See you then. [20:33] marvin-hh, this is the wrong forum to ask those questions. [20:34] knome: the right forum is the wind? [20:34] Perhaps this would be better if one person dealt with the questions.... like Flannel here. [20:34] * rww nods and steps back [20:34] All I am seeing you do is evading questions. [20:34] Not exactly convincing for your position. [20:35] marvin-hh: I am ignoring questions, beacuse they're not going to be answered right now. Come back later once you've cleared your head and we'll get your ban resolved. [20:35] Anyway, you have had your chance. [20:35] marvin-hh: See you later. [20:35] Flannel: DJones removed my ban, because he considered me to be a reasonable person. [20:36] Flannel: well a +q. [20:36] Flannel: as such, you are now in direct contradiction with him. [20:36] Flannel: so, have fun sorting that out. [20:36] DJones: see above. [20:36] marvin-hh: Will do. Talk to you later. [20:36] Flannel: I sure hope not. You are a very boring person, if you are in fact one. [20:36] lol [20:36] Flannel: you sound like a badly programmed bot. [20:37] I can confirm that Flannel is a human :) [20:37] Nothing personal, just a fact. I bet you hear that often. [20:37] Yes, I am. You've got me. Now, have a nice day, and we'll see you soon. [20:38] There is nothing left for me to say to you. [20:38] Okay. Have a nice day, and please /part to keep the channel free for other issues. [20:39] Flannel: you basically said that my, I quote, "tone", was not appropriate. [20:39] You really have a hard time with constructing an argument, don't you? [20:39] oh for pete's sake [20:39] marvin-hh: I did say your tone was inappropriate, yes. That's why you're not in #ubuntu right now. [20:39] I recommend you do some training in forming arguments. [20:40] @mark #ubuntu-ops marvin-hh failed to resolve #ubuntu ban, asked to return when clear-headed by Flannel, failed to take hints about leaving; kicked; rejoined; banned for a few minutes [20:40] The operation succeeded. [20:43] (hopefully he got the point) [20:45] ikonia: was a ban needed for that? [20:45] yes [20:45] picking up where he left off in ops [20:45] there is zero need for the utter crap he's spewing to kick off in ANY other channel [20:45] ikonia: No, he picked up from where he left off in #u [20:46] no, he really didn't [20:46] yeah, we went back to graphics "support" [20:46] "please provide proof before pressing enter" [20:46] he's just being a tool [20:46] you want to try to negotiate with him - enjoy [20:46] there is zero real discussion with him [20:46] * rww goes afk [20:47] ikonia: Sorry, you made this bed. Banning everyone you don't like is not an appropriate policy. [20:47] what bed ? [20:47] it's nothing to do with not liking him [20:55] So I set the ban I placed in #ubuntu to expire in 7 days. Flannel if you want to adjust that feel free [21:05] OerHeks called the ops in #ubuntu () [21:05] lag [21:05] ty [21:07] It makes me sort of sad to see it was some .fi there [21:07] there are idiots everwhere, so dont get too sad for your country. [21:07] that was insane [21:08] genii is FINNISH? [21:09] Nah, he's Canadian. But this is IRC, and everyone on IRC loves all things Finnish. [21:09] I thought canadien [21:09] ah phew [21:09] everyone likes vodka and so likes finnland :) [21:10] yet the finns go to .ru for cheap vodka [22:08] Pricey: yes indeed my fault. Sorry