[14:28] <brendand> ubuntu-qa - review my fix for camera-app tests: https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/camera-app/location_prompt_disable/+merge/230961
[14:29] <robotfuel> brendand: I'll review
[14:34] <robotfuel> brendand: It seems like _set_location_service_testing should be placed in a helper so ux tests can use it.
[14:35] <brendand> robotfuel, you mean a helper in camera-app?
[14:36] <robotfuel> brendand: yes, I assume there is one.
[14:36] <robotfuel> brendand: if there isn't we should make one to put stuff like that in it.
[14:43] <brendand> robotfuel, i kind of feel like we're starting to need a package that contains helpers which don't belong to a specific app, or are generally useful
[14:43] <brendand> robotfuel, trying to shoehorn them into the 'appropriate package' is painful and not even that obvious
[14:44] <brendand> robotfuel, maybe i'll bring it up with thomi :)
[14:44] <robotfuel> brendand: I think those should go in the ubuntu-uitoolkit-autopilot package. We should talk to elopio and thomi about it on monday.
[14:47] <robotfuel> brendand: the helper should also have tests. so we know it's the helper breaking and not something in the test.
[14:47] <robotfuel> brendand: do you want me to make my comments in the MP?
[14:49] <brendand> robotfuel, the ci folks are really desperate for this fix - the helper itself is already tested as such - if it breaks then all the tests will fail
[14:51] <robotfuel> brendand: I don't think the test for a helper will take a long time to write, I can propose a mp with some simple test for that if you want.
[14:52] <brendand> robotfuel, if you think you can whip one up quickly then ok, but as i said - if the purpose of the test it to make sure it can't land when the helper is broken, well - that's already the case
[14:52] <brendand> robotfuel, i don't see what a test would do beyond starting the app
[14:53] <robotfuel> brendand: the helper is broken? can we do a quick hangout?
[14:56] <brendand> robotfuel, no :) i mean it's already the case that if the helper breaks the tests will fail
[14:57] <brendand> robotfuel, it works right now of course
[14:59] <robotfuel> brendand: okay that makes sense thanks :D.  I think we decided to make sure that all the helpers have tests awhile back.
[15:02] <robotfuel> brendand: if location service doesn't work on an image that helper test has a chance of blocking the image for promotion.  the platform-api's unit tests are in a sad state.
[15:09] <brendand> robotfuel, i'm not really objecting to having a test for it - just that i don't see it being that useful really
[15:09] <brendand> robotfuel, we can have a quick hangout if you want me to explain
[15:16] <robotfuel> brendand: sure do you want to meet in the ux hangout
[15:21] <brendand> robotfuel, yeah
[15:25] <brendand> robotfuel, can't hear you now
[15:31] <brendand> robotfuel, dropped again
[15:33] <brendand> robotfuel, i'll talk to tvoss about how to query the location service
[15:33] <deepubuntu> Is this the place for newbies??
[15:34] <brendand> robotfuel, but as i said, we can't really block on that - we'd only be harming our selves by hiding failures in the camera-app
[15:37] <brendand> deepubuntu, it's the place for everyone
[15:42] <deepubuntu1> okay
[15:43] <deepubuntu1> so I want to know about how can I contribute for ubuntu
[15:43] <deepubuntu1> I am a open source enthusiastic and contributing for mozilla
[15:43] <deepubuntu1> brendand:
[15:47] <deepubuntu1> ??
[15:49] <brendand> deepubuntu1, balloons is your spirit guide in the world of ubuntu :)
[15:51] <deepubuntu1> brendand: sorry but I am not getting you
[15:51] <brendand> deepubuntu1, balloons is a person
[15:51] <brendand> deepubuntu1, hopefully he's around
[15:52] <brendand> deepubuntu1, there are many things you can do but balloons knows best
[15:52] <deepubuntu1> balloons: when you come back please ping me
[15:52] <deepubuntu1> brendand: you can give me overview if you want
[15:52] <deepubuntu1> :)
[15:52] <brendand> deepubuntu1, what do you do in the mozilla community?
[15:53] <deepubuntu1> I do lot of stuff there. I replies tweets and questions. I do testing and I also have resolves some bugs but I am not good in cooding yet
[15:53] <deepubuntu1> *coding
[15:55] <deepubuntu1> I don't think I can contribute much in coding with C and C++ brendand
[15:55] <brendand> deepubuntu1, that's ok
[15:56] <brendand> deepubuntu1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester
[15:58] <balloons> deepubuntu1, hello.. you caught me as I'm off to lunch :-)
[15:58] <deepubuntu1> oh sorry to disturb you balloons
[15:58] <deepubuntu1> I hope you have taken lunch properly :)
[16:01] <deepubuntu1> well brendand gave me a great link thanks a lot but I want to know about structure and overview for contribution in ubuntu balloons
[16:01] <deepubuntu1> btw thanks again for the amazing link brendand :)
[16:02] <balloons> deepubuntu1, sure
[16:02] <deepubuntu1> :)
[16:02] <balloons> deepubuntu1, the link brendand gave is a great starting place
[16:05] <balloons_> Sorry about that.
[16:05] <deepubuntu1> its ok]
[16:06] <deepubuntu1> Is there any way to respond users on their quaries
[16:06] <deepubuntu1> ok I decided to contribute form the testing
[16:06] <deepubuntu1> so the link given by brendand is perfect
[16:07] <deepubuntu1> thanks a lot brendand and balloons  :D:D:D
[16:09] <elfy> deepubuntu1: if you want to help with support - there are 4 main avenues open - forum/mailing list/irc and askubuntu
[16:10] <deepubuntu1> oh please please tell me more about it elfy
[16:11] <balloons_> Sorry I keep dcing.
[16:11] <elfy> well the forum is http://ubuntuforums.org/ , mailing lists can be found https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Community+Support irc support is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList and askbuntu.com
[16:11] <elfy> the first 3 are all official support avenues, askubuntu less so
[16:12] <elfy> balloons_: hi :)
[16:14] <deepubuntu1> well that was the link http://ubuntuforums.org/ I was searching for thanks elfy :)
[16:14] <elfy> welcome
[16:14] <deepubuntu1> :d
[16:14] <deepubuntu1> :D
[16:14] <balloons_> Thanks for filling in. I'll like drop again in a second :( anyways feel free to pm balloons and leave a way to contact you back like email if you still have questions. But I'm guessing elfy Will take care of you
[16:15] <elfy> deepubuntu1: if you've not got an account there PLEASE read the notices you'll see there and if you do get an issue come see me in #ubuntuforums
[16:15] <elfy> deepubuntu1: but a lot of people - like me - do some of each, so I do QA and support and a few other things
[16:16] <elfy> do what takes your fancy - enjoy doing it or do something else - we don't get paid :)
[16:16] <deepubuntu1> well I really don't won't anything that's why I am here
[16:16] <deepubuntu1> hoping to learn somthing
[16:16] <deepubuntu1> and this is all what I get
[16:17] <elfy> I'd start with testing, that's as easy as getting iso's and following written instructions
[16:17] <deepubuntu1> and yes sure I will ping balloons and balloons_ and elfy and brendand if I need help. Can I :D
[16:17] <elfy> join the forum and askubuntu - read things people are wanting help with - that's how I learnt :)
[16:18] <elfy> both testing and low level support are really important
[16:18] <deepubuntu1> yes because I don't have to do much there just install developing version and use as normal way and if i face trouble report it. this is my job?
[16:19] <elfy> that sounds about right :)
[16:20] <deepubuntu1> yes actually I think my contribution in mozilla testing will help me here too
[16:20] <deepubuntu1> and this is what I earn from contributing and for sure I will get something here too
[16:20] <elfy> I run the dev version from about week #1 till release
[16:20] <deepubuntu1> dev version okay
[16:22] <deepubuntu1> thanks a lot everyone foe helping me :)
[16:22] <elfy> deepubuntu1: the dev version being what we test in the main, currently that's October 2014's release
[16:22] <elfy> and you are most welcome :)
[16:22] <deepubuntu1> :D
[17:05] <Nothing_Much> I think KVM/Qemu isn't working right for TestDrive
[17:05] <Nothing_Much> It won't allow me to install Ubuntu in a virtual drive
[17:26] <average_guy> I am having this problem too Nothing_Much
[17:26] <average_guy> Bug #1352623
[17:27] <average_guy> Virtualbox works great though
[18:46] <Nothing_Much> average_guy: yeah, though I need to reinstall vbox
[18:49] <Nothing_Much> average_guy: also, just wondering, do you know whether Ubuntu has drivers for KVM or not?
[18:51] <average_guy> drivers Nothing_Much? I used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[18:52] <ianorlin> the paravirtualized drivers?
[19:01] <average_guy> no paravirt w/KVM.  KVM=Full Virtualization I believe, need to read a bit.  I use virt-mgr sometimes but mostly vbox to OS test and QEMU to virtualize ppc arch http://leuchtfeuerfunk.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/permission-to-break-the-system-granted/
[19:04] <average_guy> kvm is easier if you are doing all cli
[19:20] <average_guy> maybe you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/spice
[19:20] <average_guy> Nothing_Much: