[00:00] popey: with busybox's ping I can ping [00:00] with the one on iputils-ping no [00:02] strange, works here [00:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8049448/ [00:06] popey: can you do a file /bin/ping and a stat /bin/ping and paste them please? [00:06] ;) [00:06] *:) [00:06] /bin/ping: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=51c7d7cc7ad3defd6889b54ce3f8ed29fe9b14ef, stripped [00:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8049467/ [00:08] also ping6 doesn't work lol [00:10] anyone ever seen this? [00:10] [ FATAL ] /usr/include/gtest/internal/gtest-port.h:1340:: pthread_mutex_lock(&mutex_)failed with error 22 [00:15] popey: the ubuntu's ping is an executable for file, the android's ping for file is a shared object [00:17] ah ok popey nevermind, in my particular configuartion I've to use the android one's [00:17] *ones [00:18] anyway thanks for helping me === VargaD_ is now known as VargaD [00:45] dobey: whoops! Just yes to vodka. :) [00:46] nhaines: heh [01:07] cwayne: go will be my next language to learn, I'm betting it'll take more than 25 tries :) [01:08] only 25 tries to do something in c++? you're doing well :P [01:25] dobey: something that's mostly copypasta from pete-woods' code, so really 25 tries to make it compile and run [01:27] mhall119: yeah, 25 is a good start. templates blowing up during compile can be a pain :) [01:29] Wellark: “errno 22” says that's “Invalid argument”, which would suggest that something's trying to lock a mutex that isn't? [01:32] dobey: the current limitations with a Trusty host didn't help either [01:32] mhall119: ah. lxc to the rescue? [01:33] click chroot to build, then I had to manually copy it to the emulator and install it in order to run it [01:33] the SDK team was working with the Unity team to make it possible to do it all from within Qtc [01:33] ah [01:33] but that's not there yet [01:35] yeah. i mostly stick to emacs/terminal for my stuff, and things that require utopic libs, i just edit in trusty host, and then compile inside a utopic lxc [01:35] works fairly well so far [01:35] qtc at least handles the building in the click chroot for me, that part was mostly easy [01:35] it was just a multi-step manual process, which slows things down [01:36] well, at least it's not as slow as waiting for jenkisn to build it :) [01:36] true, and the i386 emulator is pretty fast to boot now [01:47] RAOF: I found the cause [01:47] it's a cmake bug [01:48] RAOF: http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=15058 [01:48] with strict enough C_FLAGS [01:48] Cmake fails to find pthreads [01:49] which then somehow ends up defining -DDGTEST_HAS_PTHREAD=0 [01:49] which then breaks GTest [01:49] fun fun fun [01:55] That's pretty awesome! [02:20] 04:18 < asac> cyphermox_: how can i mount nexus 4 storage properly? [02:20] 04:18 -!- cmagina [~cmagina@173-166-109-13-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] [02:20] 04:19 < asac> cyphermox_: like not the face nautilus stuff so i can use cd etc. [02:20] 04:19 -!- jjohansen [~jj@70.65.225.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] 04:19 < asac> cyphermox_: guess first i have to prevent nautilus to not deal with this? [02:21] i want to use du etc. to check how much each folder consumes etc. [02:24] asac: cd /run/user/$UID/gvfs [02:24] cool [02:27] thanks === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [04:09] Wellark: :( so, also broken in 5.3? kalikiana: did you still have some qdoc workarounds in UITK, maybe similar to https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/content-hub/qdoc-fix/+merge/213053 ? I wonder if upstream is aware... [05:13] Mirv: ask on #qt-labs ? [05:15] tekojo: that's a good idea, I'd just like to get confirmation that this is not 5.2 specific as it was mentioned. we're using 5.3 now otherwise elsewhere but 14.04 LTS users will keep using 5.2 [05:19] Mirv: it sounds like something that would have been noticed, but do ask #qt-labs [05:22] tekojo: sure, I'll [05:22] sometimes cmake things slip through since there's also qmake and now qbs [06:14] good morning [06:41] dholbach: moin moin! [06:44] what's the strategy lately for dealing with gestures? I see that utouch seems to have disappeared from newer Ubuntus [06:44] is it supposed to be all up to Qt now, or is there going to be a gesture recognizer daemon or lib? [06:55] Up to Qt (or, in general, your toolkit) IIRC. [07:12] popey, yes it should: “If you use any phone locking scheme, choosing ‘Reset All System Settings’ or ‘Erase & Reset Everything’ in the alert should prompt you to unlock before performing the reset. ” === greyback__ is now known as greyback [07:22] popey, now that I think about it, the unlock prompt should come *before* the confirmation alert, otherwise a prankster could confirm the reset and then leave the phone on the password prompt waiting for you to come back. You might then think the passcode/password prompt was just for unlocking the phone. [07:28] popey, specification updated. [07:29] Mirv: Wellark: yes, the uitk has a conditional to change the relative folder < 5.2 [07:30] kalikiana: hmm, so only for < 5.2, ie it works without workaround in 5.3? [07:31] Mirv: no, the path it wants changed with 5.2 [07:32] it wants a different toplevel folder [07:33] Mirv: it's "." in 5.2+ and it's "documentation" in older releases [07:33] the latter being the folder the docs reside in [07:40] hi nhaines [07:50] hmmkay [07:54] kalikiana: so content-hub needed to do this kind of hack, but you don't have such parent dir craziness in uitk from what I can see. https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/content-hub/qdoc-fix/+merge/213053 - but then again, you are using qmake [07:59] Mirv: we use it like this $SRC/css/breadcrumbs.js [07:59] and SRC here is "." or "documentation" [08:00] Mirv: but indeed the source files are not affected, only the extra files for HTML [08:02] so - meizu says "stunning new os".. what does that mean? [08:02] so - we can say - things are getting pretty serious? [08:03] early september-ish maybe? eh? [08:30] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Relaxation Day! :-D === nik90 is now known as nik90|BusyCoding === nik90|BusyCoding is now known as nik90 [09:49] hi! Can someone please help me bring my N4 back to life? It doesn't go beyond the "Google" logo when booting (but phablet-shell works) [09:51] mardy, did you wait long enough ? do you see apparmor in top ? [09:53] ogra_: yes, I'm waiting a lot :-) No, top shows that everything is quiet [09:53] hmm, weird [09:54] do you se ./init (the container one) in your processlist ? [10:19] ogra_, re: OTA and writable, what you wrote only applies to delta upgrades, no? if your OTA goes into full-image mode, you'll lose everything anyway? or is it unpacked just like deltas? [10:26] ogra_: with th new adbd the `adb shell dpkg --print-architecture` gives a warning "dpkg: warning: failed to open configuration file '/root/.dpkg.cfg' for reading: Permission denied" [10:26] ogra_: I see /sbin/init and /init === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [10:38] ogra_: I am sure it is not a news for you, but the phablet-network obviously is not working with the new adbd [10:38] bzoltan1, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/phablet-tools/pahblet-network-drop-root/+merge/230864 [10:39] ogra_: sudo? [10:39] ? [10:39] what do you mean ? [10:44] ogra_: it just popped in my eyes... I do not like sudo, it tends to ask funny questions what a script cannot answer [10:45] ogra_: also, I think that when the ${KEY} has space the `adb shell "nmcli device wifi connect ${SSID} password ${KEY}" ` command will not pass it [10:45] bzoltan1, not sure what you mean, we always used sudo to read/grep the file on the host [10:46] see the removed lines ... (it used to parse the file and rip out the mac address before) [10:46] re spaces allowed in wlan keys ? [10:47] ogra_: I have spaces in my psk [10:47] heh, k, so they obviously are [10:47] i'll take care of that (note the MP isnt approved or even reviwed yet) [10:48] ogra_: '${KEY}' helps [10:48] right [10:50] ogra_: in the SDK we have a UI function to clone the network profile... I use pkexec around the phablet-network, so the sudo can not bite me. But in general, I do not like sudo, it can not be scripted and if it scripted then it is unsecure. [10:50] you use pkexec to read the network file on the PC ? [10:51] or how do you use it ? [10:52] * ogra_ wonders if there would be any way to get the key via that [10:53] lool, with the last two images none of the webkit apps can start anymore ... do think it is time to remove webkit from the framework ? [10:54] ogra_: I just call the `pkexec phablet-network -s serial` [10:54] ah [10:54] yeah, i dont think that makes any difference [10:54] you either do it like that and pkexec asks for your PW or the first sudoo call inside the script does [10:55] ogra_: what I would love is to have a sudo_chooser where I could set if I prefer pkexec or plain sudo [10:55] my prob wit pkexec is that it doesnt cache anything so you would have to enter the pw for each and ever call [10:55] pkexec isnt very script friendly [10:55] ogra_: because I do not like when scripts executed by graphical frontend as background process are asking passwords [10:55] ogra_: I tryed reflashing my phone again, this time with --wipe, and now I see that "Binder_2" is taking 99% of the CPU [10:56] mardy, sounds like your container is broken, was that image ever writable ? [10:56] ogra_: I agree, pkexec is not as smart as sudo... but we should think of the non terminal fixated users too :) [10:56] ogra_: and "mpdecision" is taking about 0.5, if that means something [10:56] bzoltan1, for that your pkexec wrapping indeed makes perfectly sense [10:56] ogra_: yes, it was [10:57] mardy, that sounds a bit like you didnt get any update for either the container or the kernel when it was required ... you should have flashed with --bootstrap [10:57] ogra_: OK, I'll try that, thanks [10:59] just added some music on mako, needed (using nautilus) to add files 1 after 1 because when using folder copy/paste it will break after few files and need to unplug/replug :/ [11:00] cm-t, i think there are bugs open for that, cyphermox is actively working on fixing mtp [11:01] thanks ogra_ (i am in the rush so if i don't have to open a new bug :] ) … [11:04] cm-t: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317263 if you want to follow it [11:04] Ubuntu bug 1317263 in mtp (Ubuntu) "mtp-server crash when transferring music on #15" [High,Confirmed] [11:06] oh, thats only 175 images old :P === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [11:10] zbenjamin_: ogra_: here is the QtCreator MR what should land at the same time as the new adbd hits the image. https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/new_adbd_policy/+merge/230960 [11:10] mardy: ping [11:10] bzoltan1, hmm, the uname is not such a good idea ... [11:11] there is no guarantee that wil always math the dpkg arch [11:11] ogra_: dpkg --architecture gives a warning what made me suspicious. [11:11] bzoltan1, "dpkg --print-architecture" works fine for users ... [11:12] ogra_: with the new adbd package, running as phablet it gives a waring. [11:12] bzoltan1, oh, --architecture is deprecated since lucisd i think ... --print-architecture is what you want [11:12] ogra_: ohh.. let me test [11:12] hmm, whih you did [11:13] cwayne: pong [11:14] ogra_: dpkg: warning: failed to open configuration file '/root/.dpkg.cfg' for reading: Permission denied [11:14] mardy: hiya, so i've got scopes +oa *mostly* working, I just can't run them confined (it gets a apparmor denial trying to use dbus). dbarth said yesterday he saw the same denials -- any ideas how to fix? [11:14] i can get you the actual denials if its helpful [11:14] why does it try to open a file in /root if you call it as a user ? [11:15] cwayne: yes please, I'm not sure what denials you are seeing [11:16] bzoltan1, there is definitely something wrong .. if run as user it should not try to open that file at all [11:17] ogra_: that is why I put there the uname. I know that the dpkg is the right way... but I do not like to grep -v warnings, and I need output what I can parse [11:17] no,, but you should find out why it does that :) [11:18] mardy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8052958/ [11:18] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ dpkg --print-architecture [11:18] armhf [11:18] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ [11:18] bzoltan1, thats with my adbd package installed [11:19] something is wrong in the way you exec adb i guess [11:19] ogra_: Yes, when I run it in the shell it works ... try with adb shell dpkg --print-architecture [11:20] cwayne: that's unrelated to online accounts [11:20] cwayne: the scope is trying to talk to the DBus interface, but gets rejected [11:20] bzoltan1, hmm, yeah, seems it doesnt wait long enough til adb had dropped the privs [11:21] mardy: let me look and see -- i can definitely get it to work unconfined, but as soon as i make it confined, it no longer works.. which policy-groups would i need? [11:21] bzoltan1, but that warning goes t stderr ... simply ading 2>/dev/null should have quietened it [11:21] ogra_: I know, but I do not like that [11:22] cwayne: "accounts", for OA, and I guess "network" if you are using the net === ecloud_wfh is now known as ecloud [11:23] bzoltan1, well, the uname can give you totally wrong strings ... [11:23] ogra_: :) I love choices like this :) [11:23] * ogra_ thinks just quietening the warning (its not even an error) would be better than risking to have the wrong info [11:24] anyway, sdk is your baby ... i'll keep the option to say "i told you so" if it break ;) [11:24] ogra_: I get this error when flashing with --bootstrap: "Cannot cleanup /cache/recovery/ to ensure clean deploymentexit status 255"; any ideas? [11:24] *breaks [11:24] mardy, try in recovers (and with --device=mako) [11:24] *recovery [11:25] ogra_: OK, thanks [11:26] ogra_: I changed that line according to your suggestion... so I gain an option when something goes to /dev/null what the SDK should have captured I can say "I did as ogra said" :D [11:28] bzoltan1, hahaha, awesome, yeah, i'll happily take the blame :) [11:28] * bzoltan1 makes an extra backup of the irc logs [11:29] mardy: so isn't it trying to talk to the dbus interface to get the OA stuff? the rest of the scope works confined, just not the parts that require OA [11:29] lol [11:30] * davmor2 edits the irc log so it reads davmor2 instead of bzoltan1 and now has a get out of jail free card of ogra_ taking the blame ;) [11:31] cwayne: I believe that this method is always called whenever your application starts using D-Bus, but let me double-check... [11:31] mardy: right, but is it using dbus to talk to OA? it doesn't seem to use dbus otherwise (which is why it works confined with no account) [11:32] thanks davmor2 [11:32] cwayne: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#message-bus-names [11:33] cwayne: yes, the signon libraries use D-Bus to talk with the OA service [11:33] right so that's why it's using dbus at all, so perhaps this is just an apparmor issue then? [11:34] cwayne: maybe the accounts policy is incomplete, we should double check with jdstrand [11:34] jdstrand: pingerino [11:34] cwayne: oh, yes, it definitely looks like an apparmor issue [11:34] Elleo: does this mean anything bad? DEBUG: bool MIMPluginManagerPrivate::switchPlugin(const QString&, MAbstractInputMethod*, const QString&) "libmaliit-keyboard-plugin.so" could not find initiator [11:35] cuz after that i get DEBUG: title:العربية [11:35] cool, I'll follow up with AA guys then, thanks mardy :) [11:35] cwayne: yw :-) [11:35] mardy: i also got the scope name and stuff to show up in the OA screen, i had to add explictly a to the .application file (for some reason I'd thought that was meant to be automagic) [11:36] bzoltan1, oh, btw, do you ship your homedir with the SDK ? [11:36] - pkexec phablet-network -s ${SERIALNUMBER} [11:36] + pkexec /home/balogh/Downloads/phablet-network -s ${SERIALNUMBER} [11:36] cwayne: yes, it will be automagic, eventually [11:36] :) [11:37] mardy: ah, okay, cool. also while I have you here, I'm seeing some weird stuff with the fitbit account-plugin (which I actually need for work purposes now, not just personal projects :D) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1334688 [11:37] Ubuntu bug 1334688 in The Savilerow project "Clicking "allow" button from website crashes ussoa, but hitting 'Enter' on keyboard works and account is added" [Critical,Confirmed] [11:37] mardy: specifically, i'm seeing this always fail on a n5, with this int he log: upstart/dbus.log:qml: [JS] (:0) Refused to display 'https://static1.fitbit.com/tools/cookieEater' in a frame because it set 'X-Frame-Options' to 'SAMEORIGIN'. [11:38] cwayne: I don't think that that log message is relevant [11:38] oh damn [11:39] mardy: oh is this the one that we figured out might be an oxide bug [11:39] cwayne: as soon as we land our silo, I'll ask you to test again; I recently fixed a possible crash just in that part of code, when the request completes [11:39] saidinesh5: it's not something I've come across before, but it sounds like its failing to find the plugin it was asked to switch to [11:39] cwayne: may be an oxide bug, may be not [11:39] mardy: ah, perfect! i'd be happy to test, let me know [11:39] Elleo: nah it is finding the plugin... afaik [11:39] i mean if i delete the plugin.so files [11:39] then it shuts down saying [11:40] no plugin found [11:40] saidinesh5: glancing at that code it iterates through all the plugins looking for one that matches [11:40] yep [11:40] WARNING: bool MIMPluginManagerPrivate::loadPlugin(const QDir&, const QString&) Error loading plugin from "/media/Data/inst/master/lib/maliit/plugins/libmaliit-keyboard-plugin.so" "The shared library was not found." [11:40] (in src/mimpluginmanager.cpp) [11:40] is what i get if i delete the .so [11:41] and of course followed by WARNING: No plugins were found. Stopping. [11:42] saidinesh5: apparently that warning can be ignored for the libmaliit plugin: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-01-29.log.html#t2013-01-29T17:23:25 [11:43] heh i was looking at the same page [11:43] saidinesh5: ah, unless that comment was in reference to an earlier warning they also posted [11:43] * saidinesh5 shrugs [11:43] it is giving the same warning no matter what .qml file i put there [11:44] not sure if the initiator relates to the sort of "sub-plugin" referenced in the config [11:44] e.g. "libubuntu-keyboard-plugin.so:en_us" <-- the en_us part [11:45] which tells ubuntu keyboard to load its en_us module, I'd thought that was fairly specific to our implementation though [11:45] previously i had a stray config file in my ~/.config [11:45] telling maliit to load exactly the line you pasted [11:45] when i didnt have the ubuntu plugin in the first place [11:46] saidinesh5: does your current config have any similar subsection on the libmaliit-keyboard-plugin.so though? [11:46] nope.. no config at all [11:46] so it has to directly read this stuff from the code now [11:47] when that config file was there it used to show one more error.... [11:47] saying libubuntu-keyboard not found === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:55] okay i think that warning can be safely ignored [11:56] because the first switch isn't initiated by any plugin right? [11:57] i mean it was coming from switchPlugin where //Find plugin initiated this switch , and qDebug() there tells me [11:57] DEBUG: bool MIMPluginManagerPrivate::switchPlugin(const QString&, MAbstractInputMethod*, const QString&) "libmaliit-keyboard-plugin.so" could not find initiator QObject(0x0) [12:00] saidinesh5: your guess is as good as mine, I think it relates to the subviews, so it might not matter if and that example plugin just doesn't implement subviews [12:00] saidinesh5: but it's not really part of the framework I've had to mess around with before [12:00] hmm..... [12:01] saidinesh5: perhaps it'd be worth trying the pure qml nemo plugin and see if that displays for you? [12:01] nope [12:01] tried it already [12:01] hell, even put in a hello.qml to see if it works === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:02] ah, then I'd guess there's some other problem then; since that doesn't require a C++ plugin, so none of this would be relevant in that case [12:02] saidinesh5: does the ubuntu keyboard not work for you either? (with all the standard packages) [12:03] saidinesh5: oh no, I seem to remember you saying it did display just didn't input text [12:03] with the standard package it didnt let me input text [12:03] yup [12:03] and the thing is it is initiating the plugin too [12:03] not sure why the example plugin fails to display then :/ [12:04] i mean any console.log in Component.onCompleted: shows in the debug [12:04] yup [12:08] hmm now this is interesting........ [12:08] hold [12:11] what the............ [12:13] hmm...... [12:14] so no show() or hide() of the input method are being called [12:24] saidinesh5: you could try calling them manually on the inputcontext from within an application, that'd at least narrow it down between it not reporting focus changes and it not showing/hiding at all [12:24] yup doing that [12:38] Elleo: that seems to open another can of worms for me... [12:39] the plugin window is .... [12:39] bad [12:45] plugins::makeQuickViewTransparent seems horribly broken [12:46] Elleo: this doesnt seem very good does it? https://github.com/maliit/plugins/blob/master/maliit-keyboard/plugin/inputmethod.cpp#L80 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:50] yeah, not sure why they're doing that [12:50] perhaps you'd be better off using the ubuntu keyboard as a starting point after all [12:51] might be a bit overcomplicated in places, but at least it gets some regular attention [13:00] hey everyone, is there a port out for asus memo pad fhd 10 or anyone working on one? [13:02] ? [13:04] hey everyone, is there a port out for asus memo pad fhd 10 or anyone working on one? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [13:05] !devices | jiberish61 [13:05] jiberish61: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [13:05] thats the list [13:07] ahh dang not on the list :( [13:16] ogra_: I'm still fighting with my N4; if I pass both --bootstrap and --device=mako, it never ends (and I'm not sure it's doing anything at all!) [13:16] and you are in bootloader mode ? [13:16] (adb reboot bootloader) [13:16] ogra_: now I've tried flashing normally, and it failed with this message: 2014/08/15 16:12:53 Cannot push /home/mardy/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/device-a99055d3ca59707dcf23f886f27f53b1cb692ceb023d75f22ed2fc199e6920b3.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is 542M [13:16] ogra_: I was in the Ubuntu recovery screen [13:17] no, bootstrap need bootloader mode (and i think it tells you in the very first lines) [13:17] ogra_: OK, will try again :-) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:23] Elleo, can you add the checklist to your cancel_button MP? [13:23] kenvandine: ah yeah, sure [13:23] thx [13:26] kenvandine: added, not sure if bill wanted to show a version to design once it was in a silo though [13:26] ok, lets check in the meeting [13:26] sure === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:27] kenvandine: could you setup the translation stuff on the content-hub launchpad project? I don't seem to have the relevant permissions there [13:28] ok [13:30] ogra_: always the same :-( "Cannot cleanup /cache/recovery/ to ensure clean deploymentexit status 255" [13:31] then i hhaaave to defer you to sergiusens [13:35] mardy: ogra_ that's the first adb command called after reboot iirc [13:36] usually fixed when people change usb slot and/or cables [13:36] sergiusens: oh :-) I'll try that then :-) [13:41] sergiusens, bah, i should always suggest that first when supporting, damn [13:53] ogra_: can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-seeds/add-push-plugin/+merge/230858 ? [13:53] what should i look at there :P ... /me just approves [13:54] ogra_: thanks! [13:57] mardy (fyi, cwayne and dbarth): so there is an apparmor denial when using the accounts policy group with the latest online accounts? [13:59] jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8052958/ [13:59] jdstrand, did anyone test the interaction between cgroups and apparmor yet btw ? u-a-l now uses cgroups everywhere ... and around that time probs started in several areas [14:00] jdstrand: this has been reported for scopes only, though; AFAIK regular click apps work fine [14:00] can indee be coincidence [14:00] ogra_: nor sure what testing you are referring to. apparmor and cgroups work fine together in general [14:00] jdstrand: yes [14:00] ok [14:00] mardy, dbarth, cwayne: is there a reproducer? eg, a click I can install? [14:01] * mardy passes [14:01] I mean, I don't have one :-) [14:01] jdstrand: cwayne has one scope in development that triggers it [14:02] mardy: that is good to know-- we have some dbus policy in the app templates not in the scope templates [14:02] cwayne: pongeroo :) [14:05] jdstrand: and, is it related, there was you point about the accounts policy group wrt to trust session support [14:06] jdstrand: what do you need us for? [14:14] mzanetti, greyback: i see the u-s-c branch for idle timeout landed. just to confirm, i need to wait on some unity8 work before I can really add that to ubuntu-system-settings right? [14:15] * mzanetti is not sure what kenvandine is talking about [14:15] greyback: can you answer this? [14:15] haha [14:15] bug 1230345 [14:15] bug 1230345 in Unity System Compositor "Unity8 should control the display "lock after idle" (with a way to configure the delay)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1230345 [14:16] dbarth: the accounts policy group is currently "reserved" and not available to normal apps [14:16] kenvandine: it's not been on my radar either actually. I know Saviq talked about it [14:16] dbarth: when the trust session prompting lands, I can (and want to) move it to "common" [14:16] kenvandine: I guess mterry is your guy here [14:17] mterry, ^^ [14:17] kenvandine, AlbertA2 actually [14:17] :D [14:17] kenvandine, but it's very little work [14:17] ok... /me shuts up [14:17] kenvandine, and yeah, need to happen in unity8 [14:17] kenvandine, what's up? [14:17] dbarth: trust session support in online accounts and moving the policy group to common were identified as a requirement for rtm, so I need to do my part when you land it [14:18] kenvandine, lock-after-idle? [14:18] mterry, ignore me... apparently it's really AlbertA2 i should be bugging :) [14:18] mterry, yeah [14:18] kenvandine, yeah I'm less familiar [14:18] i need to work on that in settings... just trying to figure out when i can start that [14:18] also... does anyone know if there's an API for displaying messages in the greeter? [14:18] zbenjamin_: pmcgowan I keep forgetting which package holds "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQt5Quick"; I'm using the sdk; shouldn't there be some hint on what to do or asking to install it? [14:19] or rather controlling displaying messages in the greeter [14:19] kenvandine, you mean notifications? ;) [14:19] kenvandine, what messages do you have in mind? [14:19] i don't think it's notifications [14:19] kenvandine, then the short answer is no [14:19] Saviq, incoming messages in the indicator [14:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone [14:20] and I think notifications [14:20] dbarth: has it landed? (istr someone saying it would land this week) [14:20] ah, that's in the indicator? [14:21] When “Messages on welcome screen” is off, SMS and other messages should not be displayed on the welcome screen. [14:21] yeah... that doesn't scream indicator to me... [14:21] but i guess it couldn't be anything else [14:21] tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1356077/comments/3 [14:21] Ubuntu bug 1356077 in Ubuntu Push Notifications "Post Office uses URL Dispatcher DBus interface which isn't stable" [Undecided,Incomplete] [14:22] dednick: do you have an update on loading external resources in the messaging menu/incoming messages? (like the twitter avatars) [14:22] kenvandine, yes, it's indicators [14:22] kenvandine, right now if locked we disable indicators and launcher (per design request) [14:22] 16:14 < asac> hmmm.... my phone just made a notification sound and i cant see what it was trying to tell me [14:22] kenvandine, but plan is to allow limited access [14:22] Saviq, ok, so no API for that yet? [14:22] Saviq, wait what? [14:22] is there any known issue on the above ^^ that might help me :) [14:22] pmcgowan, it you have pin/password [14:23] pmcgowan, you can't access launcher or indicators in greeter [14:23] Saviq, so how do I pause music I am playing [14:23] mterry, protect me from pmcgowan please ↑ ;) [14:23] haha [14:23] pmcgowan, who pauses music! [14:23] pmcgowan, design asked for that change [14:23] doesnt mean they thought it through [14:24] pmcgowan, true. [14:24] sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/qmenumodel/icon-remote-uri/+merge/228680 [14:24] dednick: nice, I'll give it a test [14:24] pmcgowan, Olga was the one requesting it [14:24] mterry, I cant check my battery level? [14:24] pmcgowan, I think plan for music was slightly different - actually display controls on the greeter, not in indicators [14:24] Saviq, fine if we had that [14:24] pmcgowan, you can see the icon but yeah, not pull it down [14:24] pmcgowan, but yeah, you can punch holes in the logic with every excuse I come up with, totally agreed [14:25] yeah [14:25] sigh [14:25] pmcgowan, I think the idea is that if you want to change something with your phone, you unlock [14:25] also means this setting isn't very useful :) [14:25] mterry, well, yeah, that's why we had the stripped down indicators, not sure why that was dismissed? [14:25] mterry, but seeing battery level for example [14:25] not a security issue [14:25] but its fine, we'll see [14:25] pmcgowan, which i'm fine with punting on :) [14:25] this is the fine points of usability [14:26] kenvandine, yeah so we can punt [14:26] mterry, do we disable all notifications when locked as well? [14:26] Saviq, it wasn't dismissed necessarily, it just never got implemented yet [14:26] pmcgowan, no [14:26] mterry, didn't we have /greeter profiles? [14:26] mterry, that were used in the greeter session already? [14:27] Saviq, not really... Those only are functional for a spit greeter. But there is enough information for indicators to fake it and show different info when the greeter is active by querying dbus [14:27] *split [14:27] Saviq, I think tedg just got busy with other things [14:27] dednick: do you mind if someone else reviews that? [14:27] sergiusens: about flashing my N4, I tried two USB cables and three different USB ports, but I still get the same error [14:28]