[00:14] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8n10wp6k8mapf5h/VID_20140815_010649.mp4
[00:14] <daftykins> my cat is kinda driving me bananas
[00:15] <daftykins> trying to teach her to come inside with this electric flap
[00:49] <diddledan_> boh yakasha
[00:50] <diddledan_> !@
[00:50] <diddledan_> I got ubuntu chromium extensions running in google's official release by symlinking /usr/share/chromium to /usr/share/google-chrome
[00:53] <daftykins> O_O
[00:53] <daftykins> you sneak!
[00:53] <diddledan_> oh dear, cliff richard is in the spotlight for sex offences now?
[00:54] <diddledan_> there's going to be no celebrity from the 80s left
[00:58] <daftykins> diddledan_: i know :/
[00:59] <daftykins> diddledan_: lucky he's not in a death penalty US state, else he'd be more than wired for sound :/
[01:02] <daftykins> diddledan_: this is pretty cool, i once got someone to use UPnP to open a port on a router they had no access to
[01:02] <daftykins> this persons friend has the same issue, so i started looking into UPnP command line only clients
[01:03] <daftykins> miniupnpc is the winner, it's able to list me my forwarded ports
[01:03] <daftykins> now i just need to work out how to make it ask for another to be opened :>
[01:04] <daftykins> oh wow
[01:04] <daftykins> you can get line stats over upnp
[01:04] <daftykins> !
[01:04] <diddledan_> there's a *d version for linux-based routers (whether that be wrt or pc-in-the-cupboard)
[01:04] <daftykins> yarr, i saw the package :)
[01:04] <diddledan_> so that is the server end of the protocol whereas the *c is the client
[01:04] <daftykins> MaxBitRateDown : 45600000 bps (45.6 Mbps)   MaxBitRateUp 11171000 bps (11.1 Mbps)
[01:05] <diddledan_> nice
[01:05] <daftykins> that's line only though, i'm provisioned 40/5 :<
[01:05] <diddledan_> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--PicQp6clqs/U-LVh_VWrkI/AAAAAAAAf2U/9jb9_pZhJmM/w640-h480-no/2014%2B-%2B1
[01:05] <daftykins> cool it can do it though as the web admin doesn't show that
[01:05] <daftykins> still that good huh? :D
[01:05] <diddledan_> I wonder what mine reports
[01:06] <diddledan_> I'm on an 80/20
[01:07] <daftykins> do you have cable or xDSL on a phone line?
[01:08] <diddledan_> looks like the command to open a port is "upnpc -a 192.168.0.100 80 80 tcp" <-- internal-ip internal-port external-port protocol
[01:09] <diddledan_> it's an FTTC phone-line-based DSL
[01:09] <diddledan_> the sky fttc running on bt's infinity infra
[01:09] <daftykins> ah yeah, do you have the white Huawei BT branded modem in front on the line itself?
[01:09] <diddledan_> yup
[01:10] <diddledan_> HG612 if memory serves
[01:10] <daftykins> indeed :D i've got one of those modded with the Huawei firmware
[01:10] <diddledan_> I could close my laptop and pick it up to verify
[01:10] <diddledan_> the box is directly behind my laptop
[01:10] <diddledan_> about 2.5 feet from me
[01:10] <daftykins> you can make it do lovely line stat graphs
[01:10] <diddledan_> nice
[01:11] <daftykins> also turn it into a full NAT router :>
[01:11] <daftykins> though obviously no wifi then
[01:12] <diddledan_> looks like the sky router's upnp doesn't list maxbitrates
[01:13] <daftykins> awww
[01:13] <diddledan_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8049743/
[01:14] <daftykins> i guess it doesn't know since it's an intermediary device
[01:14] <diddledan_> maybe
[01:14] <daftykins> the one my values are coming from are actually my ISP supplied all-in-one device
[01:14] <diddledan_> actually the sky web admin shows the speed
[01:15] <daftykins> provisioned vs. line though?
[01:15] <diddledan_> this is what the webadmin shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8049762/
[01:16] <daftykins> yarr thems separate to the line stats
[01:53] <diddledan_> lol @ popey's photo: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-w3vpw56wvIs/U-bB9W4FWTI/AAAAAAAArs0/PmesW_Dt2PI/w1335-h1001-no/IMG_4219.JPG <-- as seen on youtube
[01:54] <diddledan_> for when you're not famous enough to be "as seen on TV"
[01:54] <daftykins> XD
[01:55] <diddledan_> o_O if you have a long piece of string, the label says, you could strangle yourself with it - string not included
[01:56] <diddledan_> so is that like when you're looking for jeans and the label says "risk of suffocation if you leave the space shuttle during flight"
[01:58] <daftykins> lmao
[01:59] <daftykins> they totally look like Haribo to me
[01:59] <daftykins> i'd be half way through a packet before asking what they are
[01:59] <diddledan_> lol
[01:59] <diddledan_> yeah there is that
[02:09] <diddledan_> lol, I like: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T6LHdOlIg-A/U-YOjuVATKI/AAAAAAAArpQ/zACHhC9MlEQ/w601-h1001-no/device-2014-08-09-130121.png
[02:10] <diddledan_> I wonder what logic it uses to determine the existance of existance
[02:14] <daftykins> perhaps a quick curl!
[02:14] <daftykins> wow, Dust - An Elysian Tale is really a seriously impressive game
[02:14] <daftykins> especially for being made by one guy
[05:56] <mapps>  this bloody drink is gonna kill me eh
[07:00] <smittix> Moaning
[07:55] <OERIAS> Do ops keep a channel log of this channel?
[07:56] <shauno> it's logged publicly, link is in the /topic  (This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com )
[08:14] <popey> Morning all
[08:16] <shauno> o/
[08:24] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:25] <davmor2> JamesTait: what day is it today?
[08:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:29] <smittix> ;;o/
[08:29] <smittix> \o/
[08:30] <bigcalm> Yeah, I'm excited to see me too
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Relaxation Day! :-D
[08:31] <JamesTait> Also, happy Men's Grooming Day!
[08:31] <foobarry> my son asked me to shave today
[08:31] <foobarry> stubble itched when i kissed him goodbye for work
[08:31] <JamesTait> (That's a Men's Grooming Day that I hope will be happy, not a Grooming Day for happy men).
[08:33] <JamesTait> My youngest told me I need to grow my beard longer, so I can "be a smart guy".  My wife was not impressed.
[08:34] <JamesTait> I casually ignored the insinuation that I'm not already a "smart guy", just because he gave me an excuse to grow my beard.
[08:35] <JamesTait> "Well, you're always telling me I should do more things the kids want me to do...."
[08:35] <bigcalm> Haha, nice
[08:36] <bigcalm> My wife hates me having a beard. She'd have me shave every day. I just lack the willpower
[08:36] <bigcalm> I did shave last night, so that made her happy
[08:37] <JamesTait> I shave every other morning.
[08:38] <Myrtti> dsample looks like 15 year old without at least a stubble
[08:38] <Myrtti> so I don't mind when he doesn't shave
[08:38] <JamesTait> I keep my top lip trimmed, but I've been trying to grow my chin fuzz.
[08:44] <bigcalm> I do look younger once shaved. Thankfully, not too young: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/14464905040/
[08:45] <bigcalm> I think that my eyebrows turning white helps me look old
[08:54] <popey> \o/ I can haz face fuzz
[08:55] <popey> kids complain at bed time "daddy, you need a shave"
[08:55] <bigcalm> I'm jelly
[08:55] <bigcalm> Though, what do the kids make of it?
[08:55] <popey> a hat, or a broach or a pterydactil
[08:56] <bigcalm> Of it, not with it :P
[08:56] <bigcalm> Argh, I'm trying to remember what that was from. I can see the bloke doing the actions
[08:57] <bigcalm> Airplane
[08:57] <foobarry> bigcalm looks somehow familiar
[08:57] <bigcalm> \o/
[08:58] <bigcalm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oAQOvOEXY
[08:58]  * bigcalm hugs popey for bring such joy to this Friday morning
[08:58] <bigcalm> foobarry: I do?
[08:58] <Myrtti> I hate that film
[08:58] <bigcalm> foobarry: I am the one in the suit, not the green dress
[08:59] <bigcalm> Awwww
[08:59] <popey> lost count of the number of times I've watched that film
[08:59] <popey> took a vhs tape with it on to school. used to watch it in the lunch breaks
[08:59] <Myrtti> http://imgur.com/gallery/zxel35t/comment/250700674
[08:59] <popey> 25 years ago!
[08:59] <Myrtti> link related.
[09:00] <Myrtti> I should check in
[09:00] <Myrtti> blaah
[09:07] <bigcalm> Check into what?
[09:07] <Myrtti> flight
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:13] <Myrtti> whee finally my CoolComponents order shows properly up on RoyalMail website \o/ yay birthday presents!
[09:25] <bigcalm> tree -ando tree.txt --dirsfirst --charset ansi
[09:25] <bigcalm> Oh, this isn't twitter, is it?
[09:26] <Laney> #whoknows
[09:33] <bigcalm> Oh god
[09:33] <bigcalm> My boss just wrote "@iain" within an email to our team to direct a question at me
[09:33]  * bigcalm cringes
[09:33] <SuperMat1> :(
[09:41] <davmor2> popey: man your old
[09:41] <Myrtti> how bad is it when I don't want to tot up the value of all four Arduino related orders?
[09:42] <davmor2> you're even]
[09:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: I don't want to groom so I'll go with the happy and relaxing which I'll be doing after Lunch :)
[09:45] <davmor2> anyone else having their widows bombarded by these things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_stink_bug
[09:47] <bigcalm> Not here
[09:47] <Myrtti> windows?
[09:47] <Myrtti> we just had thrips
[09:48] <Myrtti> stink bugs atleast in Finland have a tendency of ruining whatever berries you're picking
[09:49] <davmor2> I keep hearing this loud clunk and it's one of those bugs crashed into the window and stood there.
[09:52] <smittix> Does anyone know of any issues in the past with encrypted installs causing problems with nvidia drivers?
[09:52] <smittix> I'm wondering if it's that thats causing me issues.
[09:53] <smittix> davmor2: I have tons of them in my garden. Never knew they were called Stink bugs
[09:59] <awilkins> Encryption shouldn't matter to nvidia drivers.
[10:00] <awilkins> Unless they do something stupid that interacts with the bits of the kernel related to encryption
[10:01] <directhex> never heard of such an issue
[10:01] <bigcalm> directhex: how's the new keyboard?
[10:02] <directhex> tactile switches are weird
[10:03] <bigcalm> How so?
[10:03] <Myrtti> AND TODAY my sister's computer offers an update to 14.04.1, of all days during my two week visit.
[10:03] <Myrtti> goddarnit
[10:03] <popey> ☻
[10:03] <popey> yeah, a few people in my lug mentioned it yesterday
[10:04] <bigcalm> I've gone from a unicomp to mx brown keys. The biggest difference for me is that I don't have to apply so much effort in typing
[10:04] <popey> so you could edit the releases file and tell it not to offer upgrades
[10:04] <popey> then she wont see it and you can update when you next visit
[10:04] <Myrtti> my sister doesn't run upgrades anyway
[10:04] <Myrtti> I do it over ssh
[10:04] <bigcalm> So do the realease-upgrade over ssh ;)
[10:04] <popey> yeah, wuss ㋛
[10:04] <Myrtti> that's risky
[10:05] <popey> yeah, i haven't updated my mums from 12.04 to 14.04 yet
[10:05] <Myrtti> but let's say I'd edit a file
[10:05] <popey> not sure I will
[10:05] <Myrtti> which file would that be? ㋛
[10:05] <popey> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[10:05] <popey> set prompt=never
[10:06] <Myrtti> thanks
[10:06] <Myrtti> done just for my sanitys sake
[10:06] <popey> wise
[10:07] <Myrtti> thunder borked her modem in June and there was absolutely nothing I could do to any of her problems for a few months
[10:08] <Myrtti> I've set up the port forwards now so there is atleast a theoretical possibility I could do something
[10:11] <awilkins> Mum has a port forward and a dynamic DNS address :-)
[10:11] <awilkins> Launchpad has a group for "My mum runs Ubuntu!"
[10:12] <Myrtti> yeah, I've got a dyn updater script on my sister's computer too. Doesn't help when the modem goes bonk.
[10:12] <awilkins> Maybe it should also have a "My mum has a dynamic DNS address!"
[10:14] <popey> i removed my mums dyndns
[10:14] <popey> i have prey installed on her machine, it checks in with my webserver every 10 mins, so easy to find her IP
[10:14] <popey> home made dyndns ☻
[10:15] <diplo> Do you pay for prey popey ?
[10:15] <Myrtti> I'm using dy.fi
[10:15] <popey> diplo: PAY!? no
[10:15] <popey> its in the repo
[10:15] <popey> Helps that mum lives 1.0 miles away https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Stourhead+Close/Coleford+Close,+Mytchett,+Camberley+GU16+6DX,+UK
[10:16] <Myrtti> popey: could you go knock on the Jubilee sorting office door and demand that they'd sort my CoolComponents package quicker
[10:16] <popey> heh
[10:18] <Myrtti> dsample ordered some from Maplin, some from CPC/Farnell, I did my own orders from CoolComponents and Amazon
[10:19] <Myrtti> end result: all the Arduino Lilypad/Adafruit Flora stuff \o/
[10:19] <Myrtti> well, not quite
[10:19] <Myrtti> but enough
[10:21] <popey> busy weekend then
[10:22] <diplo> popey, I just remember when I last looked it was limited to a certain amount of devices ? 2 or so ?
[10:22] <davmor2> Myrtti: can we expect a super arm computer anytime soon?  Are you calling it skynet?  It's about that time right :)
[10:24] <popey> davmor2: i dont use prey services, just the program, pointed to my own webservice
[10:24] <diplo> ah right
[10:24] <diplo> I may look at it again at some point
[10:24] <popey> i have 10 machines all pointing to a specific domain I own
[10:25] <popey> I just tail the webserver logs to see my machines checking in
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: was that really meant for me?
[10:25] <popey> what do you think? ☻
[10:26] <davmor2> popey: with you I never know, you're too weird :P
[10:27] <popey> thank you.
[10:27] <Myrtti> davmor2: you can expect a hat and a wedding dress, at some time in next two years.
[10:28] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[10:28] <davmor2> Myrtti: oh nice
[10:28] <davmor2> Myrtti: all lighty up and spangly
[10:29] <shauno> that's what I did with prey .. knocked together some php that accepted its posts
[10:29] <davmor2> popey: see that's the look I see on your face too often :D
[10:30] <Myrtti> you can imagine some kind of laura cowen's twitter christmas tree rolling down the isle
[10:30] <Myrtti> aisle, even
[10:42] <bigcalm> directhex: I now have a ratio of 123 on StephensonsRocket93plus1.iso. Is this image still relevant?
[10:43] <directhex> i reckon no.
[10:44] <bigcalm> Last Activity: 8  hours ago
[10:44] <bigcalm> That's a surprise
[10:54]  * smittix is waiting for Beer o Clock
[10:55] <davmor2> smittix: it's Saturday in New Zealand if that helps?
[10:56] <smittix> It doesn't help but thanks anyway heh
[10:56] <smittix> Only 4 hours to go so it isn't too bad.
[10:57] <popey> oh my gosh these look amazing http://imgur.com/a/LK7Tl#0
[10:58] <bigcalm> 4 hours?!
[10:58] <smittix> bigcalm: Aye!
[10:58] <bigcalm> Bah
[10:58] <bigcalm> 6+ for me
[10:58] <bigcalm> popey: top one from ep 7?
[10:58] <smittix> I started at 5am today too.
[10:58] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[10:59] <popey> ya
[10:59] <smittix> popey: Top one looks very sweet#
[11:00] <smittix> Speaking of drinking, A polish friend bought me some Polish hazlenut vodka to try.
[11:00] <bigcalm> smittix: bottom one is from ep 4
[11:00] <bigcalm> "aren't you a little short to be a storm trooper?"
[11:00] <smittix> heh
[11:01] <popey> looks very agressive
[11:01] <bigcalm> It does
[11:01] <bigcalm> They've done a good job with it
[11:02] <directhex> bigcalm: my wife and i have the same keyboard, other than the switches, so it's a proper 1:1 comparison
[11:02] <directhex> bigcalm: the feel of red vs brown is totally different
[11:02] <smittix> These also look nice heh http://imgur.com/a/Hj9Vb
[11:03] <bigcalm> directhex: I went for brown because of the difference I could see when looking at reviews using animated gifs. Which do you prefer?
[11:03] <directhex> i don't know. they're different. it'll take me a while to get used to it
[11:04] <directhex> generally, gamer keyboards have linear switches and typist keyboards have tactile switches
[11:04] <bigcalm> http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-keyboard-and-why-you-511140347 - scroll down to 'Get to Know Your Switches'
[11:06] <ali1234> none of those reflect how the model m worked
[11:07] <directhex> none of them use a buckling spring, no
[11:07] <directhex> the mx green is probably the closest in actuation force and feel, though
[11:07] <directhex> also noise
[11:08] <awilkins> The most important reason you'd use a mechanical keyboard is not there
[11:08] <ali1234> the buckling spring system also used a membrane, like all cheap keyboards today
[11:08] <awilkins> Nostalgia? PAH!
[11:08] <ali1234> and not individual metal contacts
[11:08] <awilkins> ali1234, USES... it's not dead... yeah, but the means of touching the membrane is the different
[11:09] <ali1234> eh, not really
[11:09] <directhex> topre switches are also hybrid mechanical-membrane
[11:09] <awilkins> Standard membrane keyboards are a glorified TV remote
[11:09] <directhex> but those are rare and expensive
[11:09] <bigcalm> I'm happy to sell my 2 unicomp keyboards if you want buckling spring keys
[11:09] <ali1234> really the only diffeence is the model m had a metal spring. cheap keyboards today have a rubber bubble that buckles instead
[11:09] <bigcalm> I should add that both unicomp keyboard are PS2
[11:10] <awilkins> Which leads you to the most important reason to use mechical keyboards - the rubber dome means you have to mash the key harder than necessary because there is no sense of positive contact
[11:10]  * awilkins has 2 PS/2 -> USB adapters
[11:10] <awilkins> Neither of my primary keyboards are USB
[11:10] <ali1234> not true. the rubber dome buckles the same way the springs did
[11:10] <directhex> the model m has a crap keyboard controller. don't try to game on it
[11:10] <ali1234> about the only difference is that there's very little noise
[11:11] <ali1234> yeah the model m has really bad ghosting
[11:11] <awilkins> ali1234, there's not that moment when the spring buckles and the tension reduces
[11:11] <ali1234> but so do all USB keyboards
[11:11] <ali1234> awilkins: yes there is, because the rubber domes buckle exactly like a spring
[11:11] <directhex> there are scales and degrees
[11:11] <directhex> model m is bottom of the pile for ghosting
[11:11] <directhex> any decent usb keyboard does better
[11:11] <ali1234> yeah usb is slightly better with "any 6 keys then nothing"
[11:12] <directhex> it's really not "any six keys"
[11:12] <directhex> on many keyboards you won't make 3
[11:12] <directhex> s/many/most/
[11:12] <ali1234> that's the upper limit of what USB can do... because that's what HID reports can support
[11:12] <ali1234> obviously many don't even manage that
[11:12] <awilkins> ali1234, TYping on a model M now. There is a distinct point at which the key "Gives" and at that point you have made positive contact because there is a hammer at the end of the spring that does the contact
[11:12] <awilkins> With a rubber dome, you have to make contact with the underside of the dome
[11:12] <directhex> yes, that's the upper limit of what HID can do. but most consumer keyboards can't ever rech 6 anyway
[11:12] <awilkins> The dome "gives" before it bottoms out
[11:13] <awilkins> And you have to bottom them out to contact
[11:13] <ali1234> so does the spring on the model m
[11:13] <awilkins> ali1234, When the spring on a Model M gives it HAS bottomed out
[11:13] <awilkins> Because the mechanism on the other end is what does the contact
[11:13] <directhex> my usual quick ghosting demonstration: hold down both shift keys and type "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
[11:13] <directhex> *both* shift keys at once, with your little fingers
[11:14] <awilkins> ali1234, Because the spring giving is the same thing as contact you can then release the key
[11:14] <ali1234> awilkins: yes, but you can continue to press the key down further
[11:14] <awilkins> With a rubber dome you have to keep pushing for some indeterminate period of time
[11:14] <directhex> e.g. here's a cheap USB keyboard from maplin, "genius" branded: HE QUIC BROWN OX UMP OVER HE Z OG
[11:14] <davmor2> directhex: I lose o and u
[11:15] <ali1234> works with my keyboard, logitech G19
[11:15] <awilkins> ali1234, You _can_ but you don't have to and that's the point ; a skilled typist can use the feel of that to exert the minimum effort, which you can't do with a rubber dome
[11:15] <awilkins> My mother was a legal secretary for decades ; they issued her with a rubber dome keyboard and her finger joint arthritis was really hurting her in the end
[11:15] <directhex> corsair vengeance k70: THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG
[11:16] <awilkins> I got her a mechanical keyboard (ok, a Cherry) and it cleared up significantly in a couple of weeks. Rubber dome keyboards should be kept away from professional typists.
[11:16] <ali1234> yeah, well, model m gave me tinnitus
[11:17] <directhex> you never need to hold both shift keys in the real world, but it's an interesting demonstration
[11:17] <ali1234> what if you're playing pinball dreams?
[11:17] <directhex> real-world example: The Binding of Isaac is not playable on a logitech illuminated keyboard
[11:17] <directhex> you can't move diagonally and shoot, at the same time
[11:17] <ali1234> why not?
[11:17] <ali1234> my logitech passed your test
[11:18] <directhex> moving diagonally means holding e.g. A and W, and holding an arrow key to shoot. in some combinations, the Illiminated doesn't pick up all the events so either you stop moving diagonally and only move horizontally/vertically, or don't shoot, depending on the order you pressed the keys
[11:18] <awilkins> I remember the ZX Spectrum being horrible for that
[11:19] <awilkins> But I can't say I've ever had problems with it on a PC
[11:20] <directhex> binding of isaac is the acid test for a cheapy keyboard with a crap control circuit
[11:20] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure this keyboard reorders keypresses
[11:20] <ali1234> if you type too fast
[11:20] <ali1234> it never happened on my old ps/2 keyboard
[11:20] <bigcalm> Das Keyboard Model S Professional: THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG
[11:20] <directhex> the G19 is a gaming keyboard, i would expect above-average key rollover
[11:21] <directhex> my previous keyboard, a Mad Catz, missed one or two keys iirc
[11:21] <ali1234> yeah i've never had rollover problems with it. just spelling mistakes
[11:22] <ali1234> i want to build my own keyboard
[11:23] <ali1234> i was looking at AVR chips... the old AT90USB had a ps/2 compatibility mode on the USB pins
[11:24] <ali1234> but i can't figure out if this is still supported in the newer revisions. it disappeared from the datasheet. but it was only ever done in software anyway
[11:30] <smittix> Submitted 2 photos to the 14.10 pool \o/
[11:45] <popey> yay
[11:47] <davmor2> I just want a white background with the slogan "Always be yourself, unless you can be a unicorn.....Then always be a unicorn!"
[11:49] <smittix> heh
[11:49] <davmor2> http://www.imagesbuddy.com/always-be-yourself-unless-you-can-be-a-unicorn-then-always-be-a-unicorn-quote-graphic/
[11:50] <smittix> heres one https://www.flickr.com/photos/smittix/8792481875/
[11:53] <davmor2> smittix: why did you set fire to that wood, you're an evil man ;)
[11:53] <smittix> :)
[11:54] <smittix> the other one https://www.flickr.com/photos/smittix/10742521275/
[12:03] <awilkins> Quite like the looks (and feel, from visiting the showroom) of this one : http://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-vengeance-k70-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-gunmetal-cherry-mx-blue-switch-%28uk-english%29
[12:04] <awilkins> If I had an epic keyboard disaster today that would probably be what I'd get.
[13:01] <bigcalm> If I don't look at my left hand screen directly, it appears as though a page of white is ever so slightly flickering somehow. Is this an indication that the monitor is on its way out?
[13:02] <popey> yes, give it to me
[13:05] <bigcalm> :|
[13:05]  * bigcalm wants to take the afternoon off
[13:06] <bigcalm> 4 hours to go
[13:09] <popey> I want to go to the park and play with my powerup
[13:09] <popey> i spent a while last night folding paper aeroplanes
[13:10] <popey> all charged up, now just need the weekend and some dry time
[13:11] <foobarry> did you do the recommended planes popey , or your own
[13:12] <popey> they recommend two types
[13:12] <popey> invader and nakamura
[13:12] <popey> i made nakamura ones
[13:22] <awilkins> bigcalm, Is it an LED backlight or a cold cathdode?
[13:22] <awilkins> LED screens adjust brightness by flashing the LEDs for different amounts of time
[13:23] <awilkins> Usually persistence of vision means you don't perceive this
[13:23] <awilkins> The periphery of your vision has a larger rod / cone ratio, which means it's more sensitive to light and has a lower refractory period
[13:24] <awilkins> Which means you perceive flicker more easily in the periphery of your vision than the centre (presumably this is helpful in a world of animals that you want to eat / escape from)
[13:24] <awilkins> So it could just be a normal phenomenon you've not noticed before, or because you reduced the brightness on that monitor recently and thus increased the fraction of time the LEDs are off for
[13:25]  * awilkins has to have 100Hz TVs because 50Hz looks hella flickery to him.
[13:25] <bigcalm> That would make sense. It's a Dell something :D
[13:26] <ali1234> PWM should be at around 15khz, thus not visible (but sometimes audible if the monitor has a cheap PSU - that's why they put it outside the monitor now)
[13:26] <awilkins> 50Hz CRTs also have that realllly annoying flyback transformer whine
[13:27] <bigcalm> DELL E228WFP
[13:27] <awilkins> Cold cathode tubes do flicker a bit sometimes as well
[13:27] <bigcalm> According to nvidia settings
[13:28] <awilkins> I have one with a tube and one with LEDs
[13:28] <awilkins> The tube one flickers a bit when I change resolution settings on occasion
[13:28] <foobarry> i've got lcds coming out of my ears
[13:28] <foobarry> so many getting disposed of at work
[13:28] <awilkins> I think that's caused by resonance waves in the plasma, they usually settle down after a minute
[13:29] <foobarry> eddies in teh space time continuum
[13:29] <awilkins> I've got his sofa.
[13:30] <foobarry> a chesterfield
[13:31] <bigcalm> foobarry: is he?
[13:31] <awilkins> Some unsightly stains though. Looks like rabbit brains.
[14:02] <foobarry> maybe new moto G announced on 4 sep?
[14:12] <smittix> bigcalm: 20mins to go :P
[14:12] <bigcalm> smittix: shush you :P
[14:13] <smittix> I was going to wait until 4 but I've pretty much finished for the day.
[14:17] <popey> i love it when one of the neighbours puts their house on the market, I get to have a good nose inside ☻
[14:17] <popey> http://www.gregjamesestateagents.co.uk/property-search~action=detail,pid=24
[14:19] <foobarry> my mate put his house on the market and a guy came to view
[14:19] <foobarry> he was carrying plastic shopping bags. a bit strange he thought
[14:20] <foobarry> at the end of the viewing, my mate said, are you interetsed in the house
[14:20] <foobarry> he said, oh no, i live across the road and wanted a look around
[14:20] <foobarry> i don't think my friend's jaw closed until after the man had gone inside his own house
[14:22] <popey> haha
[14:27] <bigcalm> Oh god
[14:27] <bigcalm> popey: what I've seen of your house looks nicer :)
[14:27] <popey> haha
[14:27] <popey> thanks
[14:29] <Laney> wow, those pictures are bright
[14:33] <foobarry> popeys walls are all painted ubuntu/sainsburys orange
[14:33] <popey> yes
[15:04] <davmor2> foobarry: and canonical purple as a feature wall
[15:06] <foobarry> and a jono bacon duvet
[15:08] <davmor2> foobarry: it's reversible it says community, community, community on the other side :D
[15:09] <diddledan_> davmor2, wasn't there a video of someone delivering an empassioned "community, community, community" rant?
[15:09] <popey> jono bacon inspirational picture
[15:10] <diddledan_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
[15:10] <davmor2> popey: hahaha oh yeah must not forget that  :)
[15:10] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/E2Gzh0O.jpg
[15:11] <diddledan_> popey, I like that you took a break from your cuppa-tea/coffee to take that photo
[15:12] <popey> heh
[15:12] <diddledan_> tis a fancy micromaphone
[15:12] <popey> ya
[15:13] <diddledan_> and yes, I like the jono bacon pic too :-)
[15:20] <davmor2> happy friday I'm in our caravan with war of the worlds playing away watching various birds attack the ground with their beaks and fly off and bunnies hopping around.  I may have to invest in a 4g mifi and park at the top of the hill for work though this slow broad band might kill me else :)
[15:34] <bigcalm> Don't work
[15:35] <popey> yeah
[15:38] <davmor2> but popey  I have to find more blockers to upset nik90 you know how I like upsetting developers ;)
[15:39] <popey> heh
[18:14] <popey> ouch http://kitsilanosoftware.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/the-tizen-project-is-broken-we-will-be-spending-some-time-apart-3/
[18:15] <ali1234> heh, so nothing changed then
[18:15] <ali1234> except they swapped nokia for samsung
[18:16] <Myrtti> yup
[18:17] <Myrtti> thats when I finally jumped ship
[18:17] <Myrtti> pattern was too obvious
[18:17] <ali1234> i agree
[18:18] <ali1234> i was only following meego for about a year but it was really obvious that both moblin and maemo had always been this way
[18:19] <Myrtti> maemo was ok.
[18:19] <ali1234> no, it was exactly the same
[18:19] <ali1234> they tried to have a community in a bottle
[18:20] <Myrtti> sure, but there was atleast a genuine attempt
[18:20] <Myrtti> meego was just a fart.in tight jeans
[18:20] <Myrtti> writing on the wall quite early on
[18:21] <ali1234> right from the very start the relationship between nokia and the community was entirely one-way
[18:21] <ali1234> lots of talking, no listening
[18:21] <Myrtti> maybe I am a bit biased. My Finnishness pushing through
[18:22] <Myrtti> I loved what I did for Maemo. Best fulfilling bits of my so far short career, still.
[18:22] <ali1234> it was always a problem of corporate micro-management imo
[18:22] <Myrtti> sure
[18:22] <Myrtti> I'm not saying it wasnt priblematic
[18:23] <ali1234> but the thing was... a lot of people were still defending nokia right up until the end
[18:28] <Myrtti> Finns have an awful lot of NIH,I know
[18:29] <ali1234> that's not even the problem. all the software nokia (or paid to be made) made was great
[18:30] <ali1234> the trouble came from the way they managed the community
[18:32] <Myrtti> I wish Iweren't on my mobile at an airport, I Could wax philosophical over this
[18:32] <ali1234> make loads of promises, fail to deliver, and leave the community manager to deal with the fallout
[18:32] <ali1234> i felt sorry for quim gil
[18:32] <Myrtti> yeah
[18:32] <Myrtti> he is a great guy
[18:32] <Myrtti> knew him from Guadec 06
[18:49] <foobarry> my laptop is hanging for ages after grub and before the ubuntu boot splash :S
[18:49] <foobarry> dieing disk?
[18:52] <directhex> nvidia?
[18:52] <foobarry> intel
[18:52] <foobarry> only recently started happening
[18:52] <foobarry> purple scren, nothing happens for a minute or two
[18:53] <diddledan_> foobarry, check dmesg directly after a successful boot
[18:54] <diddledan_> any timeouts or the like will be in there if it's hardware related
[18:55] <foobarry> there are ata1 timeouts
[18:55] <foobarry> which is cdrom
[18:57] <popey> is there a cdrom in it?
[18:57] <foobarry> .880252] ata1: device not ready (errno=-16), forcing hardreset
[18:57] <foobarry> [   31.880264] ata1: soft resetting link
[18:57] <foobarry> nope
[18:57] <popey> cable
[18:57] <popey> or psu
[18:58] <foobarry> it#s not booting off cdrom
[18:58] <foobarry> and its plugged into the wall (the battery doesn't hold charge)
[18:58] <foobarry> scsi scan: 96 byte inquiry failed.  Consider BLIST_INQUIRY_36 for this device
[18:58] <foobarry> unsure if this is normal error
[18:59] <popey> oh, laptop?
[18:59] <foobarry> yesh
[18:59] <popey> assumed desktop
[18:59] <popey> so maybe the drive is bust
[19:01] <foobarry> popped a dvd in, it works but ata1: slow to respond
[19:02] <popey> google shows a lot of rresults for that
[19:02] <popey> ata1: device not ready (errno=-16)  specifically
[19:02] <foobarry> gonna pop the drive out and boot again..
[19:07] <mapps> dc jack ordered yay
[19:08] <mapps> so either gonna be able to fix it or endup with another useless laptop
[19:09] <foobarry> looks like reseating the cd drive fixed it, thanks chaps!
[19:10] <foobarry> too tired to do any leisure activities toinght :(
[19:14] <foobarry> did anyone watch the programme about the red arrows?
[20:31] <arsen> so latest gen mbp 13' has no intel gpu
[20:32] <diddledan_> o_O
[20:32] <diddledan_> does it have nv or ati instead or is it running off vapour?
[20:32] <arsen> sorry
[20:32] <arsen> that statement was a collection of bad re-writes where i didnt read what i'd already typed..
[20:32] <arsen> what i meant was...
[20:32] <diddledan_> lol
[20:32] <arsen> so latest gen mbp 13' has no NVIDIA gpu
[20:33] <arsen> 15inch does :/
[20:33] <arsen> so thats how they shrank it
[20:33] <diddledan_> yeah the 13 inchers never did have a discrete chip
[20:33] <arsen> oh
[20:33] <arsen> hmph. i want to play games on a 13 :(
[20:33] <diddledan_> or rather I mean the 13 inch retina ones
[20:34] <diddledan_> _some_ of the previous 13 inch models that weren't retina might have occasionally included discrete
[20:34] <arsen> ah
[20:34] <arsen> so i have a dilemma, firstworldproblems... i have a 15" i7
[20:34] <arsen> retina.
[20:35] <arsen> and want to swap to a 13, but no GPU means i hsould probably keep the 15
[20:35] <diddledan_> decisions.
[20:35] <arsen> (its actually a US spec 15, so i want to swap to a UK spec 15 anyway..)
[21:31] <hirectdex> arsen, my work laptop is a 13" mbp
[21:31] <arsen> oh hai hirectdex
[21:31] <arsen> yeah thast what its for basically.
[21:32] <arsen> i think im gona get a 13, and just.. not play games.
[21:32] <arsen> i want to be able to sling it in my bag and cycle with it
[21:32] <hirectdex> so, the thing about modern intel
[21:32] <hirectdex> is it's okay! it is! but it's MASSIVELY resolution-bound
[21:32] <arsen> hmm?
[21:32] <hirectdex> so a game will be much much smoother in maximum detail 720p than low detail 1080p
[21:32] <arsen> oh. interesting.
[21:33] <arsen> i can see this winter's game being Insurgency, kinda fun.
[21:33] <hirectdex> it's a memory bandwidth problem, since it uses your main RAM
[21:33] <arsen> yeah
[21:33] <hirectdex> which is sloooooooooooooooooooow compared to real GPU RAM
[21:34] <arsen> hmm well.. i mean i can (lucky me!) have anything i want
[21:34] <arsen> shame there's no real GPU in the 13 :/
[21:34] <hirectdex> razer blade! not available in the UK :(
[21:34] <arsen> whassat
[21:34] <arsen> ooh
[21:35] <arsen> US only?
[21:36] <hirectdex> http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade/
[21:36] <arsen> swish
[21:36] <arsen> i'm in chicago, could get one i guess
[21:37] <arsen> maybe it's a bit leet for the office
[21:37] <hirectdex> of course it is! that's the point ;)
[21:38] <arsen> similar pricepoint to macs
[21:38] <arsen> less ram though.
[22:25] <shauno> curious, can shutdown do a hard down?  reboot without going through init?
[22:26] <shauno> I guess I'm trying to hit the reset button on the front, but remotely.  man shutdown says it can skip init, but with no detail, so I'm not sure if it means the same as I do
[22:38] <arsen> i wasnt aware you could do that, shauno - be interested if you could
[22:38] <arsen> i guess maybe via magicsysrq
[23:14] <shauno> arsen: that was it in the end.  cat>/etc/sysrq-trigger
[23:14] <arsen> yeah, thats the only way i know you can do it - but its not 'via shutdown
[23:15] <arsen> didnt know your reqs :)
[23:15] <shauno> I had a java process that was eating almost all of my ram, and refused to die