[00:14] https://www.dropbox.com/s/8n10wp6k8mapf5h/VID_20140815_010649.mp4 [00:14] my cat is kinda driving me bananas [00:15] trying to teach her to come inside with this electric flap [00:49] boh yakasha [00:50] !@ [00:50] I got ubuntu chromium extensions running in google's official release by symlinking /usr/share/chromium to /usr/share/google-chrome [00:53] O_O [00:53] you sneak! [00:53] oh dear, cliff richard is in the spotlight for sex offences now? [00:54] there's going to be no celebrity from the 80s left [00:58] diddledan_: i know :/ [00:59] diddledan_: lucky he's not in a death penalty US state, else he'd be more than wired for sound :/ [01:02] diddledan_: this is pretty cool, i once got someone to use UPnP to open a port on a router they had no access to [01:02] this persons friend has the same issue, so i started looking into UPnP command line only clients [01:03] miniupnpc is the winner, it's able to list me my forwarded ports [01:03] now i just need to work out how to make it ask for another to be opened :> [01:04] oh wow [01:04] you can get line stats over upnp [01:04] ! [01:04] there's a *d version for linux-based routers (whether that be wrt or pc-in-the-cupboard) [01:04] yarr, i saw the package :) [01:04] so that is the server end of the protocol whereas the *c is the client [01:04] MaxBitRateDown : 45600000 bps (45.6 Mbps) MaxBitRateUp 11171000 bps (11.1 Mbps) [01:05] nice [01:05] that's line only though, i'm provisioned 40/5 :< [01:05] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--PicQp6clqs/U-LVh_VWrkI/AAAAAAAAf2U/9jb9_pZhJmM/w640-h480-no/2014%2B-%2B1 [01:05] cool it can do it though as the web admin doesn't show that [01:05] still that good huh? :D [01:05] I wonder what mine reports [01:06] I'm on an 80/20 [01:07] do you have cable or xDSL on a phone line? [01:08] looks like the command to open a port is "upnpc -a 192.168.0.100 80 80 tcp" <-- internal-ip internal-port external-port protocol [01:09] it's an FTTC phone-line-based DSL [01:09] the sky fttc running on bt's infinity infra [01:09] ah yeah, do you have the white Huawei BT branded modem in front on the line itself? [01:09] yup [01:10] HG612 if memory serves [01:10] indeed :D i've got one of those modded with the Huawei firmware [01:10] I could close my laptop and pick it up to verify [01:10] the box is directly behind my laptop [01:10] about 2.5 feet from me [01:10] you can make it do lovely line stat graphs [01:10] nice [01:11] also turn it into a full NAT router :> [01:11] though obviously no wifi then [01:12] looks like the sky router's upnp doesn't list maxbitrates [01:13] awww [01:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8049743/ [01:14] i guess it doesn't know since it's an intermediary device [01:14] maybe [01:14] the one my values are coming from are actually my ISP supplied all-in-one device [01:14] actually the sky web admin shows the speed [01:15] provisioned vs. line though? [01:15] this is what the webadmin shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8049762/ [01:16] yarr thems separate to the line stats [01:53] lol @ popey's photo: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-w3vpw56wvIs/U-bB9W4FWTI/AAAAAAAArs0/PmesW_Dt2PI/w1335-h1001-no/IMG_4219.JPG <-- as seen on youtube [01:54] for when you're not famous enough to be "as seen on TV" [01:54] XD [01:55] o_O if you have a long piece of string, the label says, you could strangle yourself with it - string not included [01:56] so is that like when you're looking for jeans and the label says "risk of suffocation if you leave the space shuttle during flight" [01:58] lmao [01:59] they totally look like Haribo to me [01:59] i'd be half way through a packet before asking what they are [01:59] lol [01:59] yeah there is that [02:09] lol, I like: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T6LHdOlIg-A/U-YOjuVATKI/AAAAAAAArpQ/zACHhC9MlEQ/w601-h1001-no/device-2014-08-09-130121.png [02:10] I wonder what logic it uses to determine the existance of existance [02:14] perhaps a quick curl! [02:14] wow, Dust - An Elysian Tale is really a seriously impressive game [02:14] especially for being made by one guy [05:56] this bloody drink is gonna kill me eh [07:00] Moaning [07:55] Do ops keep a channel log of this channel? [07:56] it's logged publicly, link is in the /topic (This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com ) === msm is now known as Guest90590 [08:14] Morning all [08:16] o/ [08:24] Morning all [08:25] JamesTait: what day is it today? [08:29] Good morning peeps :) [08:29] ;;o/ [08:29] \o/ [08:30] Yeah, I'm excited to see me too [08:30] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Relaxation Day! :-D [08:31] Also, happy Men's Grooming Day! [08:31] my son asked me to shave today [08:31] stubble itched when i kissed him goodbye for work [08:31] (That's a Men's Grooming Day that I hope will be happy, not a Grooming Day for happy men). [08:33] My youngest told me I need to grow my beard longer, so I can "be a smart guy". My wife was not impressed. [08:34] I casually ignored the insinuation that I'm not already a "smart guy", just because he gave me an excuse to grow my beard. [08:35] "Well, you're always telling me I should do more things the kids want me to do...." [08:35] Haha, nice [08:36] My wife hates me having a beard. She'd have me shave every day. I just lack the willpower [08:36] I did shave last night, so that made her happy [08:37] I shave every other morning. [08:38] dsample looks like 15 year old without at least a stubble [08:38] so I don't mind when he doesn't shave [08:38] I keep my top lip trimmed, but I've been trying to grow my chin fuzz. [08:44] I do look younger once shaved. Thankfully, not too young: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/14464905040/ [08:45] I think that my eyebrows turning white helps me look old [08:54] \o/ I can haz face fuzz [08:55] kids complain at bed time "daddy, you need a shave" [08:55] I'm jelly [08:55] Though, what do the kids make of it? [08:55] a hat, or a broach or a pterydactil [08:56] Of it, not with it :P [08:56] Argh, I'm trying to remember what that was from. I can see the bloke doing the actions [08:57] Airplane [08:57] bigcalm looks somehow familiar [08:57] \o/ [08:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oAQOvOEXY [08:58] * bigcalm hugs popey for bring such joy to this Friday morning [08:58] foobarry: I do? [08:58] I hate that film [08:58] foobarry: I am the one in the suit, not the green dress [08:59] Awwww [08:59] lost count of the number of times I've watched that film [08:59] took a vhs tape with it on to school. used to watch it in the lunch breaks [08:59] http://imgur.com/gallery/zxel35t/comment/250700674 [08:59] 25 years ago! [08:59] link related. [09:00] I should check in [09:00] blaah [09:07] Check into what? [09:07] flight [09:09] morning boys and girls. [09:13] whee finally my CoolComponents order shows properly up on RoyalMail website \o/ yay birthday presents! [09:25] tree -ando tree.txt --dirsfirst --charset ansi [09:25] Oh, this isn't twitter, is it? [09:26] #whoknows [09:33] Oh god [09:33] My boss just wrote "@iain" within an email to our team to direct a question at me [09:33] * bigcalm cringes [09:33] :( === SuperMat1 is now known as SuperMatt [09:41] popey: man your old [09:41] how bad is it when I don't want to tot up the value of all four Arduino related orders? [09:42] you're even] [09:43] JamesTait: I don't want to groom so I'll go with the happy and relaxing which I'll be doing after Lunch :) [09:45] anyone else having their widows bombarded by these things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_stink_bug [09:47] Not here [09:47] windows? [09:47] we just had thrips [09:48] stink bugs atleast in Finland have a tendency of ruining whatever berries you're picking [09:49] I keep hearing this loud clunk and it's one of those bugs crashed into the window and stood there. [09:52] Does anyone know of any issues in the past with encrypted installs causing problems with nvidia drivers? [09:52] I'm wondering if it's that thats causing me issues. [09:53] davmor2: I have tons of them in my garden. Never knew they were called Stink bugs [09:59] Encryption shouldn't matter to nvidia drivers. [10:00] Unless they do something stupid that interacts with the bits of the kernel related to encryption [10:01] never heard of such an issue [10:01] directhex: how's the new keyboard? [10:02] tactile switches are weird [10:03] How so? [10:03] AND TODAY my sister's computer offers an update to 14.04.1, of all days during my two week visit. [10:03] goddarnit [10:03] ☻ [10:03] yeah, a few people in my lug mentioned it yesterday [10:04] I've gone from a unicomp to mx brown keys. The biggest difference for me is that I don't have to apply so much effort in typing [10:04] so you could edit the releases file and tell it not to offer upgrades [10:04] then she wont see it and you can update when you next visit [10:04] my sister doesn't run upgrades anyway [10:04] I do it over ssh [10:04] So do the realease-upgrade over ssh ;) [10:04] yeah, wuss ㋛ [10:04] that's risky [10:05] yeah, i haven't updated my mums from 12.04 to 14.04 yet [10:05] but let's say I'd edit a file [10:05] not sure I will [10:05] which file would that be? ㋛ [10:05] /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [10:05] set prompt=never [10:06] thanks [10:06] done just for my sanitys sake [10:06] wise [10:07] thunder borked her modem in June and there was absolutely nothing I could do to any of her problems for a few months [10:08] I've set up the port forwards now so there is atleast a theoretical possibility I could do something [10:11] Mum has a port forward and a dynamic DNS address :-) [10:11] Launchpad has a group for "My mum runs Ubuntu!" [10:12] yeah, I've got a dyn updater script on my sister's computer too. Doesn't help when the modem goes bonk. [10:12] Maybe it should also have a "My mum has a dynamic DNS address!" [10:14] i removed my mums dyndns [10:14] i have prey installed on her machine, it checks in with my webserver every 10 mins, so easy to find her IP [10:14] home made dyndns ☻ [10:15] Do you pay for prey popey ? [10:15] I'm using dy.fi [10:15] diplo: PAY!? no [10:15] its in the repo [10:15] Helps that mum lives 1.0 miles away https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Stourhead+Close/Coleford+Close,+Mytchett,+Camberley+GU16+6DX,+UK [10:16] popey: could you go knock on the Jubilee sorting office door and demand that they'd sort my CoolComponents package quicker [10:16] heh [10:18] dsample ordered some from Maplin, some from CPC/Farnell, I did my own orders from CoolComponents and Amazon [10:19] end result: all the Arduino Lilypad/Adafruit Flora stuff \o/ [10:19] well, not quite [10:19] but enough [10:21] busy weekend then [10:22] popey, I just remember when I last looked it was limited to a certain amount of devices ? 2 or so ? [10:22] Myrtti: can we expect a super arm computer anytime soon? Are you calling it skynet? It's about that time right :) [10:24] davmor2: i dont use prey services, just the program, pointed to my own webservice [10:24] ah right [10:24] I may look at it again at some point [10:24] i have 10 machines all pointing to a specific domain I own [10:25] I just tail the webserver logs to see my machines checking in [10:25] popey: was that really meant for me? [10:25] what do you think? ☻ [10:26] popey: with you I never know, you're too weird :P [10:27] thank you. [10:27] davmor2: you can expect a hat and a wedding dress, at some time in next two years. [10:28] ʘ‿ಠ [10:28] Myrtti: oh nice [10:28] Myrtti: all lighty up and spangly [10:29] that's what I did with prey .. knocked together some php that accepted its posts [10:29] popey: see that's the look I see on your face too often :D [10:30] you can imagine some kind of laura cowen's twitter christmas tree rolling down the isle [10:30] aisle, even [10:42] directhex: I now have a ratio of 123 on StephensonsRocket93plus1.iso. Is this image still relevant? [10:43] i reckon no. [10:44] Last Activity: 8 hours ago [10:44] That's a surprise [10:54] * smittix is waiting for Beer o Clock [10:55] smittix: it's Saturday in New Zealand if that helps? [10:56] It doesn't help but thanks anyway heh [10:56] Only 4 hours to go so it isn't too bad. [10:57] oh my gosh these look amazing http://imgur.com/a/LK7Tl#0 [10:58] 4 hours?! [10:58] bigcalm: Aye! [10:58] Bah [10:58] 6+ for me [10:58] popey: top one from ep 7? [10:58] I started at 5am today too. [10:58] Fair enough [10:59] ya [10:59] popey: Top one looks very sweet# [11:00] Speaking of drinking, A polish friend bought me some Polish hazlenut vodka to try. [11:00] smittix: bottom one is from ep 4 [11:00] "aren't you a little short to be a storm trooper?" [11:00] heh [11:01] looks very agressive [11:01] It does [11:01] They've done a good job with it [11:02] bigcalm: my wife and i have the same keyboard, other than the switches, so it's a proper 1:1 comparison [11:02] bigcalm: the feel of red vs brown is totally different [11:02] These also look nice heh http://imgur.com/a/Hj9Vb [11:03] directhex: I went for brown because of the difference I could see when looking at reviews using animated gifs. Which do you prefer? [11:03] i don't know. they're different. it'll take me a while to get used to it [11:04] generally, gamer keyboards have linear switches and typist keyboards have tactile switches [11:04] http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-keyboard-and-why-you-511140347 - scroll down to 'Get to Know Your Switches' [11:06] none of those reflect how the model m worked [11:07] none of them use a buckling spring, no [11:07] the mx green is probably the closest in actuation force and feel, though [11:07] also noise [11:08] The most important reason you'd use a mechanical keyboard is not there [11:08] the buckling spring system also used a membrane, like all cheap keyboards today [11:08] Nostalgia? PAH! [11:08] and not individual metal contacts [11:08] ali1234, USES... it's not dead... yeah, but the means of touching the membrane is the different [11:09] eh, not really [11:09] topre switches are also hybrid mechanical-membrane [11:09] Standard membrane keyboards are a glorified TV remote [11:09] but those are rare and expensive [11:09] I'm happy to sell my 2 unicomp keyboards if you want buckling spring keys [11:09] really the only diffeence is the model m had a metal spring. cheap keyboards today have a rubber bubble that buckles instead [11:09] I should add that both unicomp keyboard are PS2 [11:10] Which leads you to the most important reason to use mechical keyboards - the rubber dome means you have to mash the key harder than necessary because there is no sense of positive contact [11:10] * awilkins has 2 PS/2 -> USB adapters [11:10] Neither of my primary keyboards are USB [11:10] not true. the rubber dome buckles the same way the springs did [11:10] the model m has a crap keyboard controller. don't try to game on it [11:10] about the only difference is that there's very little noise [11:11] yeah the model m has really bad ghosting [11:11] ali1234, there's not that moment when the spring buckles and the tension reduces [11:11] but so do all USB keyboards [11:11] awilkins: yes there is, because the rubber domes buckle exactly like a spring [11:11] there are scales and degrees [11:11] model m is bottom of the pile for ghosting [11:11] any decent usb keyboard does better [11:11] yeah usb is slightly better with "any 6 keys then nothing" [11:12] it's really not "any six keys" [11:12] on many keyboards you won't make 3 [11:12] s/many/most/ [11:12] that's the upper limit of what USB can do... because that's what HID reports can support [11:12] obviously many don't even manage that [11:12] ali1234, TYping on a model M now. There is a distinct point at which the key "Gives" and at that point you have made positive contact because there is a hammer at the end of the spring that does the contact [11:12] With a rubber dome, you have to make contact with the underside of the dome [11:12] yes, that's the upper limit of what HID can do. but most consumer keyboards can't ever rech 6 anyway [11:12] The dome "gives" before it bottoms out [11:13] And you have to bottom them out to contact [11:13] so does the spring on the model m [11:13] ali1234, When the spring on a Model M gives it HAS bottomed out [11:13] Because the mechanism on the other end is what does the contact [11:13] my usual quick ghosting demonstration: hold down both shift keys and type "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" [11:13] *both* shift keys at once, with your little fingers [11:14] ali1234, Because the spring giving is the same thing as contact you can then release the key [11:14] awilkins: yes, but you can continue to press the key down further [11:14] With a rubber dome you have to keep pushing for some indeterminate period of time [11:14] e.g. here's a cheap USB keyboard from maplin, "genius" branded: HE QUIC BROWN OX UMP OVER HE Z OG [11:14] directhex: I lose o and u [11:15] works with my keyboard, logitech G19 [11:15] ali1234, You _can_ but you don't have to and that's the point ; a skilled typist can use the feel of that to exert the minimum effort, which you can't do with a rubber dome [11:15] My mother was a legal secretary for decades ; they issued her with a rubber dome keyboard and her finger joint arthritis was really hurting her in the end [11:15] corsair vengeance k70: THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG [11:16] I got her a mechanical keyboard (ok, a Cherry) and it cleared up significantly in a couple of weeks. Rubber dome keyboards should be kept away from professional typists. [11:16] yeah, well, model m gave me tinnitus [11:17] you never need to hold both shift keys in the real world, but it's an interesting demonstration [11:17] what if you're playing pinball dreams? [11:17] real-world example: The Binding of Isaac is not playable on a logitech illuminated keyboard [11:17] you can't move diagonally and shoot, at the same time [11:17] why not? [11:17] my logitech passed your test [11:18] moving diagonally means holding e.g. A and W, and holding an arrow key to shoot. in some combinations, the Illiminated doesn't pick up all the events so either you stop moving diagonally and only move horizontally/vertically, or don't shoot, depending on the order you pressed the keys [11:18] I remember the ZX Spectrum being horrible for that [11:19] But I can't say I've ever had problems with it on a PC [11:20] binding of isaac is the acid test for a cheapy keyboard with a crap control circuit [11:20] i'm pretty sure this keyboard reorders keypresses [11:20] if you type too fast [11:20] it never happened on my old ps/2 keyboard [11:20] Das Keyboard Model S Professional: THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG [11:20] the G19 is a gaming keyboard, i would expect above-average key rollover [11:21] my previous keyboard, a Mad Catz, missed one or two keys iirc [11:21] yeah i've never had rollover problems with it. just spelling mistakes [11:22] i want to build my own keyboard [11:23] i was looking at AVR chips... the old AT90USB had a ps/2 compatibility mode on the USB pins [11:24] but i can't figure out if this is still supported in the newer revisions. it disappeared from the datasheet. but it was only ever done in software anyway === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:30] Submitted 2 photos to the 14.10 pool \o/ [11:45] yay [11:47] I just want a white background with the slogan "Always be yourself, unless you can be a unicorn.....Then always be a unicorn!" [11:49] heh [11:49] http://www.imagesbuddy.com/always-be-yourself-unless-you-can-be-a-unicorn-then-always-be-a-unicorn-quote-graphic/ [11:50] heres one https://www.flickr.com/photos/smittix/8792481875/ [11:53] smittix: why did you set fire to that wood, you're an evil man ;) [11:53] :) [11:54] the other one https://www.flickr.com/photos/smittix/10742521275/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:03] Quite like the looks (and feel, from visiting the showroom) of this one : http://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-vengeance-k70-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-gunmetal-cherry-mx-blue-switch-%28uk-english%29 [12:04] If I had an epic keyboard disaster today that would probably be what I'd get. === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === msm is now known as Guest60240 [13:01] If I don't look at my left hand screen directly, it appears as though a page of white is ever so slightly flickering somehow. Is this an indication that the monitor is on its way out? [13:02] yes, give it to me [13:05] :| [13:05] * bigcalm wants to take the afternoon off [13:06] 4 hours to go [13:09] I want to go to the park and play with my powerup [13:09] i spent a while last night folding paper aeroplanes [13:10] all charged up, now just need the weekend and some dry time [13:11] did you do the recommended planes popey , or your own [13:12] they recommend two types [13:12] invader and nakamura [13:12] i made nakamura ones [13:22] bigcalm, Is it an LED backlight or a cold cathdode? [13:22] LED screens adjust brightness by flashing the LEDs for different amounts of time [13:23] Usually persistence of vision means you don't perceive this [13:23] The periphery of your vision has a larger rod / cone ratio, which means it's more sensitive to light and has a lower refractory period [13:24] Which means you perceive flicker more easily in the periphery of your vision than the centre (presumably this is helpful in a world of animals that you want to eat / escape from) [13:24] So it could just be a normal phenomenon you've not noticed before, or because you reduced the brightness on that monitor recently and thus increased the fraction of time the LEDs are off for [13:25] * awilkins has to have 100Hz TVs because 50Hz looks hella flickery to him. [13:25] That would make sense. It's a Dell something :D [13:26] PWM should be at around 15khz, thus not visible (but sometimes audible if the monitor has a cheap PSU - that's why they put it outside the monitor now) [13:26] 50Hz CRTs also have that realllly annoying flyback transformer whine [13:27] DELL E228WFP [13:27] Cold cathode tubes do flicker a bit sometimes as well [13:27] According to nvidia settings [13:28] I have one with a tube and one with LEDs [13:28] The tube one flickers a bit when I change resolution settings on occasion [13:28] i've got lcds coming out of my ears [13:28] so many getting disposed of at work [13:28] I think that's caused by resonance waves in the plasma, they usually settle down after a minute [13:29] eddies in teh space time continuum [13:29] I've got his sofa. [13:30] a chesterfield [13:31] foobarry: is he? [13:31] Some unsightly stains though. Looks like rabbit brains. [14:02] maybe new moto G announced on 4 sep? [14:12] bigcalm: 20mins to go :P [14:12] smittix: shush you :P [14:13] I was going to wait until 4 but I've pretty much finished for the day. [14:17] i love it when one of the neighbours puts their house on the market, I get to have a good nose inside ☻ [14:17] http://www.gregjamesestateagents.co.uk/property-search~action=detail,pid=24 [14:19] my mate put his house on the market and a guy came to view [14:19] he was carrying plastic shopping bags. a bit strange he thought [14:20] at the end of the viewing, my mate said, are you interetsed in the house [14:20] he said, oh no, i live across the road and wanted a look around [14:20] i don't think my friend's jaw closed until after the man had gone inside his own house [14:22] haha [14:27] Oh god [14:27] popey: what I've seen of your house looks nicer :) [14:27] haha [14:27] thanks [14:29] wow, those pictures are bright [14:33] popeys walls are all painted ubuntu/sainsburys orange [14:33] yes [15:04] foobarry: and canonical purple as a feature wall [15:06] and a jono bacon duvet [15:08] foobarry: it's reversible it says community, community, community on the other side :D [15:09] davmor2, wasn't there a video of someone delivering an empassioned "community, community, community" rant? [15:09] jono bacon inspirational picture [15:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE [15:10] popey: hahaha oh yeah must not forget that :) [15:10] http://i.imgur.com/E2Gzh0O.jpg [15:11] popey, I like that you took a break from your cuppa-tea/coffee to take that photo [15:12] heh [15:12] tis a fancy micromaphone [15:12] ya [15:13] and yes, I like the jono bacon pic too :-) [15:20] happy friday I'm in our caravan with war of the worlds playing away watching various birds attack the ground with their beaks and fly off and bunnies hopping around. I may have to invest in a 4g mifi and park at the top of the hill for work though this slow broad band might kill me else :) [15:34] Don't work [15:35] yeah [15:38] but popey I have to find more blockers to upset nik90 you know how I like upsetting developers ;) [15:39] heh === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [18:14] ouch http://kitsilanosoftware.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/the-tizen-project-is-broken-we-will-be-spending-some-time-apart-3/ [18:15] heh, so nothing changed then [18:15]