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quantibilityObrienDave: yeah im pretty familar with xubuntu, ive study all the options, yes like i said the menu editor sees it,  i can freely click the option to see or unsee, the problem is that all the programs that were embeded into those menues have vanished, i know how they got their which is why im retracing my steps, is there a linux command to re examine the program paths and straighten out my enviroment?00:18
ObrienDavei don't know about that, sorry00:23
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secondhello.does anyone know the command to install OpenVPN for the new Xubuntu?01:51
secondwould this be safe to follow for Xubuntu ? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/openvpn.html01:54
chessypotafter reinstalling xubuntu 14.04 I cannot reinstall previous purchases from software centre, are there other packages I need to install?04:02
holsteinchessypot: what hav eyou tried? isnt there just a login account type of thing?04:03
chessypotnope, it does not seem to work04:04
holsteinchessypot: ok.. please just ask a question if you need help.. what specifically have you tried?04:04
xubuntu830anyone know how to share a folder between windows 8 and xubuntu?05:53
xubuntu629Question - How can I get access to a suddenly locked file in gnumeric. I recently started using xubuntu and got locked out of an important file (spreadsheet) and want access to the data in a readable form.07:47
ObrienDavewhat is the file extension?07:55
xubuntu629When i try to open the file I get  "crash report detected" error. Other (spreadsheet)files open ok from the same external drive07:56
ObrienDavewhat is the file extension?07:56
xubuntu629.xls        it was previously openable07:57
ObrienDavetry to open it with LibreOffice Calc07:58
xubuntu629more intriguing for me, is that once the system crashes, all the files change to a floating "locked" icon. Never seen this before...but i will search for libreoffice now. thanks.07:59
ObrienDavelibreoffice, openoffice, just about the same suite.08:00
xubuntu629thanks, downloaded, but newbie such that I don't know how to install it.08:04
ObrienDavedid you get from website or repo?08:04
xubuntu629website08:04
xubuntu629I have two folders Debs, and Readmes do I need to extract them?08:06
ObrienDaveopen file in archive manager, extract the files somewhere, read the README08:06
ObrienDaveeasiest way is to navigate to the folder above the extracted debs folder, right click the debs folder, "open terminal here" and follow the readme08:08
xubuntu629instead went to Ubuntu Software Center and tried to install from there...it asked me to remove a file but I downloaded to install anyway...see what happens in a minute08:15
ObrienDavesoftware center will work08:16
xubuntu629while waiting is there some kind of forensic data retrieval possible from a spreadsheet file?08:17
ObrienDavei think so, not sure what to use08:18
xubuntu629And to <ObrienDave> is there some way to have you look at my crash report? My file trouble may be related to trying to install some 829 updates to xubuntu which I tried to do. It didn't seem that they took effect as I keep getting the same message08:20
ObrienDave829????08:20
ObrienDavewhat version are you running?08:21
xubuntu629xfce 4.10 if that is what you mean08:22
ObrienDavewell, xubuntu version, 14.04?08:23
xubuntu629again I think so, but I don't know what taskbar to pull down to find conclusively08:24
knomexubuntu629, in terminal, type "lsb_release -a" (without the quotes)08:25
xubuntu629ubuntu 13.0408:26
ObrienDaveor cat /etc/issue08:26
knomexubuntu629, that's an unsupported version08:26
xubuntu629and thanks for the "in terminal" direction08:26
xubuntu629alright, my linux history. I used Mint for 6 years in desktop. Now in netbook, got a friend to load in xubuntu as I couldn't figure out how to do it.08:28
xubuntu629so doesn't unsupported version mean that I am playing with fire by using it?08:28
ObrienDaveno not really but you should upgrade asap08:29
elfythat'll certainly be why you get " It didn't seem that they took effect as I keep getting the same message"08:29
ObrienDave^^^08:30
xubuntu629Ok, other than time, is upgrading a simple task? Ie how do I start the process? And, will upgrading push me into requiring more computer resources? Netbook is not so powerful. Asus S101.08:31
elfyxubuntu629: I'd backup local data you want - get 14.04.1 and reinstall08:31
xubuntu629Alright, but that pushes me into the territory that caused me to ask a friend for install help. I had a difficult time installing from a usb.08:32
elfydifficulties where xubuntu629 - with the machine or knowledge?08:33
ObrienDavewell, you could do a do-release-upgrade08:35
elfyObrienDave: from an EOL release?08:36
ObrienDaveumm, no, sorry08:36
ObrienDavetyped too soon ;P08:36
elfytry not to then ;)08:36
knomeit's *possible* to do that, but not really recommended08:37
ObrienDaveyes, shorter than I ;P08:37
elfypersonally I would go the backup and clean install route08:37
ObrienDave^^^^^08:37
xubuntu629<Obrien Dave> Still alive here and tried your advice with Librecalc. Got a "Read error, data could not be read from the file"08:38
ObrienDavedang, anyone else know how to recover a locked XLS spreadsheet?08:39
xubuntu629So, in addition to discovering I likely should upgrade asap, I still have a likely corrupted file that I don't know how to deal with. Yes of course it has passwords on it that I don't have backup for.08:40
elfyyears since I went anywhere near a ms office file I'm afraid08:41
xubuntu629Other files were openable through librecalc btw08:41
knomexubuntu629, have you tried simply booting the machine and trying to open it again?08:41
knomexubuntu629, that would rule out a lock caused by a software08:41
xubuntu629definitely tried, newbie moniker fits me but have tried that several times.08:42
knomeok, then let's check the file permissions for the file...08:42
knomenavigate to the directory with the file in thunar, right-click the file and select properties, then tab permissions08:43
xubuntu629I had been using the same file through linuxmint os and recently (1 month) gumeric without any trouble08:43
xubuntu629thunar necessary (don't know what that is until i search) but can do a right click to reach properties and permissions is visible08:45
elfythunar is the file manager08:45
xubuntu629sorry, lacked a question mark after the word necessary. So is the file manager necessary?08:45
knomexubuntu629, what do the permissions say? are you the owner?08:45
knomeand what does the first "access" dropdown say?08:46
xubuntu629permissions say owner is me, first access says "read and write"08:47
knomeok, then those are fine08:47
knomenow open a terminal08:48
knomeand run libreoffice calc from there:08:48
xubuntu629group access and others access is set to "read only"08:48
knomelocalc "/path/to/file.name"08:48
knomexubuntu629, that's ok and normal, others should not have write access to your files08:49
xubuntu629cheers, can you give a hint how to start librecalc in terminal?08:50
knomexubuntu629, as i said: localc "/path/to/file.name"08:51
xubuntu629ok i understand08:51
ObrienDavei did a google search for: brute force excel spreadsheet ubuntu, got quite a few hits08:57
xubuntu629my terminal window trouble is likely with syntax but tried this  "localc/media/mike/HD-PHU2/HDPHU2 Files/money 2007 on.xls" and got does not exist09:01
elfyspace after localc :)09:02
knomexubuntu629, add a space after "localc"09:02
xubuntu629ok09:02
ObrienDavelocalc "/media/mike/HD-PHU2/HDPHU2 Files/money 2007 on.xls"09:02
ObrienDavewill it parse embedded spaces properly?09:03
knomeObrienDave, yes.09:03
ObrienDavetnx09:04
xubuntu629terminal window success, still file open failure error"could not find a java runtime environment, could not read path"09:10
elfyxubuntu629: try copying the file to the desktop, then do localc ~/Desktop/money<tab>09:22
elfyand let tab autocomplete do the file name09:22
xubuntu629I got an "error splicing file" during copy paste, but other .xls test file copied fine.09:27
knomeare you able to open the file with other PC's? it's possible the file itself is broken09:28
elfyok - so there is something wrong with file and/or the drive it's on09:28
elfyknome: +109:29
xubuntu629have tried with another windows machine and file was unopenable09:29
tierpodyou can run 'file /path/to/file.xls' and show file info09:29
knomexubuntu629, sounds like the file/drive is faulty then.09:30
elfyxubuntu629: I'd replace it with the backup and hope it's not too old09:31
xubuntu629thanks for backup advice. Will do. Upgrade will do. I guess I am out of luck on this file. I didn't want to give up without asking for help.09:33
elfyonly way to learn things :)09:34
xubuntu629:) yup but backups are learned the hard way09:34
elfyyea ...09:35
xubuntu629At least I can focus http://www.wikihow.com/Recover-a-Corrupt-Excel-File          Tnx all help09:36
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skulltowerHi. I'm wondering if there's any way I can reference my Activity's fields directly from a fragment? I mean I can get a reference to that object with "getActivity().myField" but can I somehow reference it directly like "myField" ?12:24
cfhowlettskulltower, check your channel - this is xubuntu12:24
skulltowerOoops sorry. xD12:25
sjoshihelo, I want to have the list of softwares I have installed after xubuntu14.04 fresh installation13:02
sjoshihow can i get that?13:03
cfhowlettsjoshi, check the dates:   cat /var/log/dpkg*13:08
sjoshicfhowlett: thanks, i was looking at this in the meanwhile13:11
sjoshihttp://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages13:11
auravoreQuite happy to see 14.04 working nicely with my old craptop.14:22
cfhowlettauravore, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to get all upgrades and packages = 14.04.114:26
auravorecfhowlett: Yep, had done that. Thanks though. Had to miss several versions due to incompatability, but im impressed with 14.04. very polished14:33
auravoreand with steam streaming working so well now, i get to use linux full time now and just stream games from windows. Life is good14:34
cfhowlettauravore, little known fact: ubuntustudio is built on top of xubuntu.  fun times!14:34
auravorecfhowlett: oh? cool. actually havent used any other *buntu flavors save for lubuntu. i tend to bounce between xubuntu and gentoo.14:36
cfhowlettauravore, commitment phobic much?    :)14:36
auravorecfhowlett: oh yah. my hard drives hate me14:37
cfhowlettauravore, virtualbox !14:37
cfhowlett!vbox | auravore14:38
ubottuauravore: Virtualbox is a virtualizer for x86 and amd64 architectures. It's available in the package "virtualbox" in the !repositories, and you can download the Virtualbox Extension Pack for additional, non-Free functionality at http://virtualbox.org . Additional details can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox14:38
auravorecfhowlett: yep, i use it on ocassion.14:38
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xubuntu326I am a beginner with xubuntu and recently received a security software upgrade. When trying to install I got a window that said I needed more disk space and that I should run apt-get clean to remove old archives in the "boot" folder. I tried to do this through terminal emulator but I received a response that I didn't have permission to unlock the folder. I am the administrator so I can't figure out what to do. Can anyone help me20:55
WLMxubuntu326: wait, I've had this issue before20:58
WLMHold on, I'll search what the thing was.20:58
WLMxubuntu326: you have too much unused kernels. Here's how to remove them.21:02
WLMhttp://tuxtweaks.com/2010/10/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu-with-one-command/21:02
WLMxubuntu326: You can skip through the information on what the command does, it will just clean up the boot folder, which worked for me. Go to "Step 6) Putting it all together: Removing the packages", there do the first command. It's a dry-run, so the old kernels aren't actually removed. If your system still works like it should, do the second command, and the old kernels will be gone, now you have free space.21:03
xubuntu326WLM, I'm not sure what a kernel is but I'll try to follow the directions in the instructions. I'm not sure why the command APT-get clean didn't work but I'll try what you just wrote.  Thanks for the advice. If I foul it up, I'll probably be back.21:15
WLMDon't worry, I also had no idea what a kernel is, I'm pretty new too. But it worked out like it should.21:16
elfyxubuntu326: apt-get clean just removes the deb files from your local archive21:16
xubuntu326<WLM> If it's not too much trouble, could you respond with the command line including the APT-get so that I don't miss anything? How do you get the vertical line in the command string?21:17
elfyxubuntu326: you might find it easier to install synaptic - then use that to search for kernels and remove the older ones21:18
elfyand the vertical line is a pipe - on my keyboard it's shift \21:19
xubuntu326That's good to know. I may try the command line I was given. Where do I find synaptic and is it like "disk cleaner" on Windows?21:21
elfyxubuntu326: nope - it's just another package manager21:22
elfyand you can install it from the repos sudo apt-get install synaptic in a terminal21:24
elfybut deal with the kernel issue first21:24
elfyWLM: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/31632/what-is-the-linux-kernel-and-what-does-it-do/21:25
WLMOkay elfy, thanks!21:26
elfyxubuntu326: I reported a bug about /boot filling yesterday, if you've got a launchpad account you can me too it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093/+affectsmetoo21:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1357093 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Encrypted install creates too small /boot partition" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:28
xubuntu326okay. I think I may be getting over my head. I used a manual typewriter in college. Looks like the command line to manually clean this up is apt-clean dpkg -1  linux -* |awk '/ ^ii{print$2}' |grep -v -e 'uname -r | cut -f1,2 -d"-" ' | grep -e    Is that correct?21:30
elfyxubuntu326: you would be much better copy pasting that command21:31
WLMIndeed.21:31
WLMHasn't he done that?21:32
xubuntu326excellent advice. where does the "dry run" modifier go...at the end of the string?21:32
WLMIf you don't copy-paste you might get yourself into big trouble if you mistyped a single thing21:32
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WLM|wegBut I gotta go, good luck21:33
xubuntu326I hear you. I'll try the copy/paste. Hope I didn't burn you out. Thanks for helping.21:34
sernylanCan one use grub-install on a 64-bit machine to prepare a hard drive to be installed on a 32-bit machine?21:34
Guest66990I have I can't see my icons on then desktop... somebody else?21:38
Guest66990I can't see my icons on then desktop... somebody else?21:42
LuyinGuest66990: try right-clicking on the desktop → desktop settings → symbols21:43
Guest66990when i make the right click nothing happen...21:44
Luyincan you click on your application menu?21:45
Guest66990yes21:45
Luyinthen navigate to settings → desktop settings → rest as above there21:47
Luyinyou should be able to set your desktop to show the symbols there. and could you please change your nick to something recognisable? just type /nick "newnick" here (without the "")21:48
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matias10I'm using ubuntustudio... it's not the same menu... but both use xfce21:51
matias10after access to desktop i thing that everything is ok...21:54
Luyinmatias10: thank you. then you should have the same options. did it work?21:54
matias10no...21:56
matias10my xfce version is 4.1021:59
Luyinmatias10: http://askubuntu.com/questions/451847/desktop-icons-not-showing-up-in-xubuntu-and-i-cant-right-click-on-the-desktop22:00
Luyinperhaps this helps22:00
matias10i'll try it... thank you Luyin!22:00
Luyinyw matias10. tell me if it worked22:00
matias10ok, let me check it first...22:01
matias10no, it doesn't worked.. :(22:03
ObrienDavesorry, came in late. what's the issue?22:03
LuyinObrienDave: same as that: http://askubuntu.com/questions/451847/desktop-icons-not-showing-up-in-xubuntu-and-i-cant-right-click-on-the-desktop, but the solution didn't work for matias1022:04
matias10my desktop icons have dissapeared and Also, when I try to right click on the desktop, nothing happens.22:05
xubuntu838hi22:05
ObrienDaveoh, i saw something else about that. give me a minute or two22:05
matias10ok, thank you22:06
Luyinmatias10: you do see the relevant files and folders when you open ~/Desktop in Thunar, don't you?22:07
ObrienDavecan you open a terminal?22:07
matias10yes22:07
ObrienDaveyes to....? :)22:08
matias10when i put xfdesktop in terminal appears: (xfdesktop:4247): WARNING **: xfdesktop: already running, quitting.22:08
LuyinObrienDave: I think that's a yes to your question ;) matias10, would you answer mine too please?22:09
matias10sorry Luyin, yes i can see the relevant files...22:10
Luyinok22:10
matias10and Obrien I can open a terminal22:10
ObrienDaveok matias10 copy and paste the following commands in terminal and execute one at a time please22:10
matias10ok22:10
ObrienDavesudo apt-get update22:10
ObrienDavesudo apt-get install –reinstall xubuntu-desktop22:11
ObrienDavesudo shutdown now22:11
ObrienDaverestart and come back to let us know what happened, please :)22:12
LuyinObrienDave: lol22:12
Luyinhope this workds22:12
matias10ok! give me a few minutes22:13
matias10i hope it too :)22:14
ObrienDaveLuyin, there are enough people here watching that if it was drastically wrong, someone would flame me a lot :))22:17
matias10I hope after finishing it, I can keep ubuntu-studio desktop anyway22:17
ObrienDavedamn, i missed the studio part. sec22:18
matias10i' waiting the installation of xubuntu-desktop (50%)...22:18
matias10so, do i have to do anithing different?22:19
ObrienDavesudo apt-get install –reinstall ubuntustudio-desktop22:19
ObrienDaveboth can co-exist22:20
ObrienDavewait for this one to finish22:20
matias10ok, perfect22:20
LuyinObrienDave: I don't say it could be very wrong, but it seems a little over to reinstall the complete DE. but otherwise it might be saving a lot of time...22:22
ObrienDaveLuyin, it seemed like the easiest solution22:22
Luyinyupp22:23
zequenceThat will only reinstall the meta, not all its' dependencies22:25
matias10i'm shuting down22:26
ObrienDavezequence, we're trying to get all desktop icons to appear along with right click context menus22:26
zequenceObrienDave: Yeah, he was on #ubuntustudio before. I'm the project lead of Ubuntu Studio, but since we don't do much DE development, I pointed him here22:27
zequenceI'm going to update my 14.04 installation and see if I get the same problem22:27
zequence(I'm actually on Debian, normally)22:27
ObrienDaveah, nice to meet you zequence, i like what you've done to studio22:28
zequenceToo few of us to make a real difference22:28
zequenceIf anyone wants to help out, don't be a stranger. No coding skills required22:28
zequencematias: So, how goes it?22:30
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Guest81584yes! that worked!!!22:30
Guest81584thank you very much!!22:30
zequenceGuest81584: Reinstalling ubuntustudio-desktop shouldn't have helped, but perhaps installing xubuntu-desktop22:31
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zequenceUnless you had uninstalled a bunch of packages before, without noticing22:31
Luyinzequence: what skills are you looking for?22:32
matias10thank you, i'll leave now... see you next time22:32
Luyinbye matias1022:32
zequenceLuyin: Anything, really. Would be nice to have some more people on testing. Also, would be great if someone worked on promoting us, both for getting more users involved and developers22:32
zequenceI dare say we are the third biggest multimedia production OS out there, and considering that, we don't exactly have a lot of manpower22:33
Luyinzequence: if testing in a VM is enough, I could do that. I don't have spare computers to test OSs.22:33
zequenceLuyin: That's quite enough. Do you use multimedia applications much?22:34
Luyinzequence: more like the usual audio- and videoplayer.22:34
zequenceelfy (one of the xubuntu developers) has been nice enough to set up the barebones for how we do testing22:34
zequenceHe doesn't seem to be online now22:35
zequenceHe's the QA lead for Xubuntu22:35
matias10hello... but the solution only worked for a few seconds...22:35
ObrienDaveoh no, what happened?22:35
matias10now i can't make the right click again...22:35
zequencematias10: Did you add any PPAs?22:36
ObrienDavedo you have icons?22:36
matias10no...22:36
Luyinzequence: so I'll ask him the next time he's online. thanks for the tip, I hope I can be of some use22:36
matias10i don't know why...22:37
zequenceLuyin: if you want, add yourself to #ubuntustudio-devel, and drop in now and then22:37
zequenceLuyin: We are actually about to start testing soon, as the betas are about to come out22:37
Luyinok, got it in autojoin22:37
zequencematias10: sorry to ask you again :). Did you add any PPAs?22:37
LuyinI'm here quite often, so I shouldn't be able to miss it22:38
ObrienDavei have to go to dinner. wife's birthday. grrrrr22:38
ObrienDavei hate leaving in the middle of this22:38
matias10PPAs?22:38
LuyinObrienDave: go to your wife, we can handle it ;)22:38
ObrienDavePersonal Package Archives22:38
ObrienDavethanks Luyin appreciate it :)22:39
zequencematias10: Personal Package Archive. If you want to find out, give us the output from this command: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/22:39
zequencematias10: Shouldn't be too many lines, so you can just paste here, or at http://paste.ubuntu.com, and give us the link22:40
matias10nothing appear when i put it...22:40
zequenceI just updated my Ubuntu Studio installation, but had no problems22:41
Luyinmatias10: that's good, it means the directory is empty. and therefore, no PPAs22:41
matias10ok...22:41
matias10so... what could i do?22:43
LuyinI'm wondering if removing the xfce-config files in /home might bring any advantage, but I'm not sure22:45
matias10do you mean deleting th folder /home/matias/.config/xfce4/?22:46
Luyinmatias10: I'm really not sure about this, and even so, I would probably do it from a virtual console, not from the GUI22:48
Luyinand only after a backup of course22:48
Luyinperhaps zequence has got more ideas22:49
matias10ok, i'm in troubles i think...22:49
matias10i'll try to reboot...22:51
matias10after reboot everything seems to be ok again...22:54
matias10maybe the problem become after open de qtrljack22:55
matias10or another software...22:55
matias10i think that i know when it happen...23:01
matias10after mount one of my disk....23:01
matias10why could it happen?23:01
matias10somebody?23:03
matias10sombody?23:11
matias10somebody?23:13
HedgeMagematias10: Calm down.  Pestering people and popping in and out of the channel is rude and distracting.  If you stay put and be patient, someone will answer if they can.23:13
HedgeMagematias10: part of IRC support is waiting.23:13
zequencematias10: Could very well be mounting something23:13
zequencematias10: Could also be corrupted config files. Has happened before23:14
zequencematias10: Are you able to reproduce the problem?23:14
zequencematias10: If so, please report a but23:14
zequencebug* hehe23:14
matias10on the disk that I mount appear a folder called .Trash-1000 that i didn't creat...23:16
zequencematias10: It's normal23:16
zequencematias10: That is where files appear, when you put something from the hard drive into the trash23:16
matias10ok, i think that it was the problem...23:19
matias10thank you and forgive me :)23:19

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