[01:03] <CrypticByte> does anyone know if kubuntu has the ability to have a global menu.  I know kde does since version 4.10 but i'm courious to know if the global menu has gtk2/3 support in kubuntu
[01:41] <CrypticByte> does anyone know if kubuntu has the ability to have a global menu.  I know kde does since version 4.10 but i'm courious to know if the global menu has gtk2/3 support in kubuntu
[07:28] <SamwiseGamgee> If I boot up a live CD, Kubuntu 14.04, can I install anything without affecting the hard drive?
[07:29] <SamwiseGamgee> I mean if I go to "Try and Decide" using the live CD
[07:45] <Pibble> SamwiseGamgee: The live cd is self contained. So Im pretty sure you cant install anything beyond what packages are included
[07:45] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I guess someone gave me some bad advice
[07:45] <Pibble> You can however make a live USB stick and you should be able to add any packages you need when creating it
[07:46] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, yeah, I think holstein told me to use a live CD to experiment with shutter, to see if I like it
[07:47] <SamwiseGamgee> but the Windows guys told me I can't install anything when using a Live CD, so I don't know why he told me that
[07:47] <Pibble> You should be able to "install" the package onto the ram drive, if you have enough space available that is.
[07:48] <Pibble> Try an apt-get for whatever you are needing and see if it goes through
[07:48] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[07:50] <SamwiseGamgee> is there a way to protect your hard drive when installing stuff with a live CD, because I have never used a Live CD for that stuff before
[07:51] <Pibble> Nothing you do in the live cd will interact with your HDD
[07:51] <Pibble> Its isolated
[07:51] <Pibble> unless that is, you mount your HDD and allow the OS to access it.
[07:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Don't some Live CDs automatically mount your drives so you can access them?
[07:52] <Pibble> Its possible, but it wont install anything to the HDD. The OS is running on a RAM drive
[07:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, then I will check the memory available on my RAM drive and see how many megabytes the Shutter app uses, and compare them before I try anything with the Live CD
[07:54] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry, RAM memory
[07:54] <Pibble> Aye
[07:54] <Pibble> You should be able to do it if it will allow it, but youll lose anything you do when you power down the compuer
[07:54] <Pibble> computer*
[07:55] <Graf_Westerholt> SamwiseGamgee, RAM stands for "ramdom access memory".
[07:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I got 1.41 GiB of RAM
[07:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Shutter uses around 45 MB when installed
[07:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Does that mean I have room to install it with the live Kubuntu CD?
[07:58] <Pibble> Like I said, try it, if it lets you do it, youre golden, if not... well yeah.
[07:58] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, sounds like I got nothing to lose if I try it
[07:58] <Pibble> yep yep
[07:58] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks Pibble
[07:59] <Pibble> Sure thing, I hope you enjoy Kubuntu, its a great OS.
[07:59] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I like it more than xubuntu, which is what I'm using now
[07:59] <Pibble> KDE is nice. :3
[08:00] <SamwiseGamgee> but Kubuntu is too heavy for this PC, it runs slower than xubuntu
[08:00] <Pibble> KDE is rather loaded. Its more of a modern GUI than XFCE for sure.
[08:01] <Pibble> Its comperable to windows 2k vs windows 7
[08:02] <SamwiseGamgee> I really miss Kubuntu
[08:03] <SamwiseGamgee> also, the Kubuntu operators seem more friendly than the xubuntu operators
[08:03] <Pibble> Eh, there are bad examples in any distro/gui/shell/OS.
[08:04] <SamwiseGamgee> Not in my experience, I love the Kubuntu operators
[08:04] <Pibble> Just remember, open source means open to everyone, be it a rude, bad mannered person, or a helpful, kind person.
[08:05] <SamwiseGamgee> Pibble, nice to meet a kind person, thanks
[08:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:40] <Naphatul> why can't i remove nepomuk, isn't baloo suposed to do it
[11:40] <Naphatul> *it's job now?
[11:42] <yofel> which kubuntu release?
[11:42] <Naphatul> 14.04
[11:43] <yofel> the runtime files *should* be optional, they just have to be there for the initial migration to baloo
[11:44] <yofel> what exactly are you trying to remove?
[11:44] <Naphatul> libnepomuk4
[11:45] <Naphatul> everything that matches nepomuk in dpkg -l actually
[11:45] <yofel> ah, that will only work in 4.14. 4.13 still has nepomuk support built into some applications, which doesn't really do anything as nepomuk isn't running
[11:47] <Naphatul> hmm well i'm running the same 4.13 on arch and it doesn't need nepomuk, guess it's a ubuntu thing
[11:47] <yofel> nepomuk-core-runtime has the bulk of runtime files and should be removable
[11:48] <Naphatul> is 4.14 going to be in 14.04? if so when?
[11:49] <yofel> 4.13.97 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports now, 4.14.0 will be released in a few days (upgrading to that will automatically remove libnepomuk4 btw.)
[11:49] <Naphatul> great
[12:44] <MartyB4> Hi. Since the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 I've got the problem that logging out of KDE doesn not work. Instead the shutdown dialog is shown and after the timeout the computer goes into sleep mode. Can anyone help me?
[12:47] <rostam> HI I am using ubuntu 14.04.  accroding to dpkg --list | grep linux-image  I have two linux image installed on my system:  linux-image-3.13.0-24  and linux-image-3.13.0-32.  Currently my system has booted to later one, 3.13.0-32, How could I boot to older release, 3.13.0-24? thanks
[12:48] <soee__> rostam: when grub is loade dyou should be able to choose other version i think
[12:49] <rostam> soee__, I have struggled with this I have used GRUB_DEFAULT="... " or set-default-.  still is not working will you please expand more  on your help...
[12:51] <swook> j #tmux
[12:51] <swook> oops
[12:51] <swook> sorry
[12:57] <soee__> rostam: i remember that after reboot GRUOB loads there is a list with some entries, first is problably Kubutnu
[12:57] <soee__> there should be also one that allows to to show list of older kernels and boot using one of them
[13:39] <georgelappies> hi guys, it seems that the vsync setting does not stick, I have to change my renderer to opengl 2.0 and then back to 3.1 before the tearing goes away when moving windows around after a reboot
[13:52] <soee> georgelappies: there are huge issues with is sadly :/
[14:17] <georgelappies> soee: isn't there a script one can run to emulate changing the renderer to opengl2.0 and back to opengl3.1 right after a boot?
[14:18] <georgelappies> it is sad, because it definitly does work correctly after retogling the renderer, just wished that it would stick or get correctly applied on a boot up :)
[14:22] <soee> no idea georgelappies
[14:22] <soee> lordievader: ^ any thoughts ?
[14:22] <lordievader> georgelappies: What card/driver?
[14:24] <georgelappies> hi lordievader, nvidia GeForce GTX 650 (GPU 0) using proprietary 331.38 from the repos
[14:25] <georgelappies> but the tearing is present in the opensource drivers as well
[14:26] <georgelappies> best way to test it is to drag a window around on the screen and look at the right side edge of the window against the wallpaper
[14:28] <georgelappies> going to see if kdenlive can record it, will report back
[14:29] <lordievader> I'm thinking a crappy driver, apart from that I have no idea.
[14:46] <georgelappies> here is a clip showing it, the first half of the clip shows it working as it should, the second half shows it how it is after a reboot: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12004103/KDE_Tearing_Clip/tearing.mpg
[14:51] <zmitya> hi gents
[14:53] <zmitya> at work I have multiple monitors. I do have a panel at the very right side of the screen where my taskbar sits, this is an auto-hidden panel... Since I upgraded to 14.04 I have to click on the right screen if I want to get my panel in case when an app has the focus on the left screen..
[14:53] <zmitya> is it a bug ot a feature ?
[15:35] <pmted> Where do I change the graphics driver to Nvidia? When you first install Kubuntu it notifies you that you can use legacy drivers, but I chose not to and now I changed my mind.
[15:39] <Walex2> pmted: there is a specific page on the Ubuntu Wiki on how to install the prepackaged nVidia binary drivers
[15:40] <Walex2> pmted: the first step is to install the right packages, because there are a few variants.
[15:41] <Walex2> zmitya: with "auto-hidden" that seems like a feature
[15:41] <pmted> Walex2: Ah, bingo. Thanks!
[15:41] <Walex2> !nvidia
[15:42] <Walex2> plus many others...
[15:47] <Naphatul> will systemd be default in 14.10?
[16:02] <linux_> hi who can fix this
[16:02] <linux_> (cheese:3130): cheese-WARNING **: Device '/dev/video0' is busy: gstv4l2object.c(2524): gst_v4l2_object_set_format (): /GstCameraBin:camerabin/GstWrapperCameraBinSrc:camera_source/GstBin:bin17/GstV4l2Src:video_source:
[16:02] <linux_> Call to S_FMT failed for YU12 @ 1280x720: Device or resource busy
[16:03] <lordievader> !crosspost | linux_
[16:04] <linux_> ok but i did not know that
[16:04] <linux_> hehh
[16:04] <linux_> Im using kubuntu so
[16:08] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[16:14] <linux_> hey
[16:14] <linux_> anyone live
[16:14] <RaSTuS> Hi BluesKaj, hi everyone
[16:15] <linux_> who want bear
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hi RaSTuS
[16:16] <linux_> can someone help i use motion first 4 days and it worked after update now is broken
[16:16] <linux_> and also cheese dont work
[16:16] <linux_> it says hi who can fix this (cheese:3130): cheese-WARNING **: Device '/dev/video0' is busy: gstv4l2object.c(2524): gst_v4l2_object_set_format (): /GstCameraBin:camerabin/GstWrapperCameraBinSrc:camera_source/GstBin:bin17/GstV4l2Src:video_source:
[16:16] <linux_> Call to S_FMT failed for YU12 @ 1280x720: Device or resource busy
[16:17] <lordievader> !patience | linux_
[16:19] <linux_> ok lordievader do you know is there any channel where I can give ideas on inprowment of look and feel of kubuntu
[16:21] <lordievader> linux_: Actually I have no idea.
[16:21] <lordievader> linux_: Mailing list perhaps?
[16:22] <linux_> ok
[16:23] <BluesKaj> linux_, look and feel is a personal thing. What someone else likes may not be to your taste. Check system settings> application settings and workspace appearance
[16:25] <lordievader> ^ that is very true. Linux is quite customizable.
[16:58] <linux_> yea but that is for newbee
[16:59] <linux_> so there are loots of places where plugin can be loaded or it can displaz other options of folder
[16:59] <linux_> of appp
[16:59] <linux_> and other things
[18:59] <femtac> Hi, I want to try out out KDE 5. Can I safely install the neon/kf5 ppa repository wihout affecting the stable 14.04?
[19:00] <femtac> How does it work after I install it? Do I switch to KDE 5 during login?
[19:06] <kubuntuplasma5> allo?
[19:12] <bprompt> allo
[19:19] <soee> femtac: yes, when using neon you can choose if you want to login into plasma5 or 4
[19:35] <smaudet> hmm, could anyone recommend to me where to look to perform an *offline* grub installation? i.e. to an external drive intended to boot in another computer
[19:35] <smaudet> problem with grub-mkconfig is that it runs for the current system
[19:37] <bprompt> hmm
[19:38] <bprompt> smaudet:      IIRC when having it to boot from an external device.. you can just include grub in the external partition specifically  with grub-install
[19:40] <smaudet> bprompt: not sure if you understood the question, grub when it boots should be an internal system, but I'm trying to build a drive from a different system, so the grub install is external.
[19:40] <smaudet> I'm pretty sure my grub config is all screwed up on the computer I'm on at the moment as I've been telling it to look at the external drive.
[19:40] <smaudet> But that's fine, I'll just reconfigure when I'm done building the external (before I reboot)
[19:41] <smaudet> conversely you can't pass in e.g. grub-mkconfig /dev/sdX and have it dump a config file for just that hard drive
[19:43] <smaudet> also, to keep things simple, everything is mbr, I have no need to mess with gpt at the moment, other than for future proofing the drive (if it is transfered at some point to a computer whose bios supports gpt)
[19:48] <smaudet> I *think* the issue is three fold - the mbr I've already tested was overwritten successfully on both test drive instances, but it's pointing at a drive on this computer setup, not the one it needs when booting from another computer
[19:49] <smaudet> So the second issue is that I'm not sure where to stick the imaginary /boot partition for the drive, and the third issue being that I don't know how to overwrite what grub-install points to when it writes its mbr record
[19:52]  * smaudet netsplit yay
[19:52] <bprompt> hehe
[19:53] <smaudet> hmm...reading the manual it looks like the recommendation is to manually write the grub.cfg file...
[19:53] <smaudet> X_X
[21:50] <smaudet> does anyone in here have a working windows xp multiboot by any chance (using grub)?
[23:34] <skinux> I've been having problems with chmod having no affect on .bin files, with or without using sudo.
[23:50] <cyclick> Why is the 32bit version recommended over the 64bit version? (ie: what are the most popular problems?)
[23:51] <cyclick> s/problems\?/problems with the 64bit version\?/