[00:22] <sy2gh02t> ;)
[00:39] <anarkhos> hmm
[00:40] <anarkhos> typing "startx" in runlevel 2 caused a hang. im probably not supposed to use that command
[00:42] <martin1989> hi peoplE!
[00:47] <phillw> anarkhos: as only run level 5 supports 'x' I'm not massivley suprised
[00:48] <phillw> anarkhos: as ubuntu / debian are non-standard, I'd suggest a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
[00:49] <phillw> hi martin1989 can we assist you?
[01:38] <anarkhos> phillw: that explains
[01:38] <anarkhos> phillw: i thought it wouls somehow jump to level 5 by issuing the startx command
[01:58] <anarkhos> no it didn't. same reaction with runlevel 5 too.
[01:58] <anarkhos> there are some other commands. i think startx isn't the best command
[02:07] <anarkhos> ok, "sudo start lightdm" worked on runlevel 5
[02:15] <anarkhos> "sudo stop lightdm" didn't land me too nicely in a command-line environment
[02:15] <anarkhos> it's a black screen with a cursor
[02:15] <anarkhos> im able to type but nothing happens
[02:16] <anarkhos> it's the ctrl+alt+f7 window. im able to user others
[02:17] <anarkhos> is there a way to make the f7 window revert to just the standard CLI login screen?
[02:21] <holstein> anarkhos: you are able to type, but, nothing happens?
[02:21] <holstein> you mean, you are *not* able to type?
[02:21] <anarkhos> yes
[02:22] <holstein> yes, what?
[02:22] <holstein> nothing is happening? or, typing is happening?
[02:22] <holstein> so, you are in thre F7 tty? b ut, you can use other ones?
[02:22] <holstein> just use the other one
[02:22] <anarkhos> when i press the keyboard, the corresponding sign appears on the screen, but the command is not performed, it is as if im writing in a text doc.
[02:23] <holstein> lubuntu should just start x automatically.. why is it not?
[02:23] <anarkhos> ive experimented a little
[02:23] <holstein> anarkhos: your experimentation has broken it? you mean?
[02:23] <anarkhos> im in ctrl+alt+f7 yes
[02:23] <holstein> i mean, you can easily reinstall.. or, experiment in the future with a live CD, or with a virtualbox install
[02:23] <holstein> otherwise, just keep experimenting..
[02:24] <anarkhos> no, nothing is broken as far as i know
[02:24] <anarkhos> im just curious about this strange exiting from x
[02:24] <anarkhos> why it gave me this screen instead of one where im able to use commands
[02:24] <anarkhos> ctrl+alt+f1 works
[02:24] <holstein> then, use that
[02:24] <anarkhos> but im still curious about the f7 window
[02:24] <anarkhos> why is it not normal?
[02:25] <holstein> anarkhos: i have no idea what is up with your installation
[02:25] <anarkhos> well
[02:25] <holstein> anarkhos: but, if you want to use a command, use it where it works
[02:25] <anarkhos> when you're in x
[02:25] <holstein> othewise, what did you do to break x ?
[02:25] <anarkhos> and type "sudo stop lightdm", what do you expect to happen?
[02:25] <anarkhos> x is not bokrne
[02:25] <holstein> undo/fix that, and all will be backk to normal
[02:25] <anarkhos> everything is basically normal
[02:26] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[02:26] <anarkhos> it's just this minor detail im curious about
[02:26] <anarkhos> exit smoothly from x to CLI
[02:26] <holstein> !tty
[02:26] <anarkhos> yes that works (f1-f6)
[02:26] <holstein> should be no need to "exit"... none of the ubuntu flavors are really trying to faciliatate that.. they dont promise "you can easily kill the x server and use the command line only system without any issues"
[02:26] <anarkhos> so a strange f7 window after exit is normal?
[02:27] <holstein> they are all providing x
[02:27] <anarkhos> yeah
[02:27] <holstein> if i wanted no x, i would use a server distro.. or just not install x from minimal iso
[02:27] <holstein> !mini
[02:27] <anarkhos> yeah
[02:28] <holstein> if i wanted to kill x on a distro that is specificially providing x, and in killing it, the tty that x was in is "odd" or "tied up", i wouldnt personally be bothered with it, since there are others
[02:30] <anarkhos> first it was just a black window, i.e. not particularly odd. however, when i began hitting some keys, it was as if i had opened a text editor rather than a terminal
[02:31] <anarkhos> i assume there is no key combo for reverting a terminal window back to the login screen for instance
[02:31] <holstein> sure.. im just saying, its not odd for a distro that is desinged to provide x to have issues when you are trying to exit x, or kill it
[02:31] <holstein> i mean, why kill or exit? why not just open the terminal and run what you need? or tty?
[02:32] <holstein> anarkhos: you want to "revert a terminal window back to login screen" ? i type "exit" and logout in tty or terminal.. then, i do whatever i would like.. launch a login screen or greeter would be an option
[02:32] <anarkhos> yeah in general you're right. however, i fiddled with this because...
[02:32] <holstein> but, why are you doing that? what is the goal?
[02:32] <anarkhos> ...i wanted to try the suspend feature without x running in the background
[02:33] <anarkhos> however, it made no difference
[02:33] <anarkhos> "exit" works if the terminal window is normal
[02:33] <holstein> right.. x is likely not causing any issues with suspend
[02:33] <anarkhos> yeah the graphics card seems to be incompatible with that feature
[02:33] <holstein> anarkhos: you are not in "a terminal windows".. you are in whats left of what is reserved for x
[02:34] <anarkhos> ok
[02:34] <holstein> anarkhos: the graphics card is not resuming from suspend?
[02:34] <anarkhos> correct
[02:34] <anarkhos> Intel GMA500 Poulsbo
[02:34] <anarkhos> gma500 driver anyway
[02:34] <holstein> i would spend time forcing the vesa driver, and test.. remove the driver from the equation
[02:34] <anarkhos> VGA compatible Intel card
[02:35] <anarkhos> what's the easiest way of doing that?
[02:35] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[02:36] <holstein> i would just put that file in place, and not "lose sleep" over the geometry of the desktop.. just test, then, you'll find the driver is likely not the issue, anyway
[02:36] <anarkhos> ok
[02:36] <holstein> and, if it is, you can decide what you like to do.. like, see if you have 3d support, or a different module option, or how a 12.04 kernel is supported by your hardware.. etc
[02:37] <anarkhos> opened the page. ill test it in some hours. thanks, see you
[02:49] <SamwiseGamgee> hello, is there a screen capture application better than screenshot?
[02:50] <SamwiseGamgee> One that is reliable and gives you more options for screen capping?
[02:51] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what options are you looking for?
[02:51] <holstein> !info scrot
[02:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I want to capture my desktop
[02:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Screen cap my desktop or select parts of the desktop to be captured and put them into a JPEG images
[02:52] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: did you try scrot?
[02:52] <holstein> thats what i would use.. assuming it meets my needs
[02:53] <holstein> i can do what you are asking with any screenshot and editor..
[02:53] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks, I will look for it and find reviews on it
[02:53] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: reviews?
[02:54] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its a command line utility that likely most GUIs use on the backend..
[02:54] <SamwiseGamgee> in the Ubuntu software centre they give you reviews you can read before install
[02:54] <holstein> you can read "man scrot".. that would likely be the most info for you. for flags and whatever
[02:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't know what a backend is
[02:56] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: why not just use your included screenshot tool, and edit the images?
[02:56] <SamwiseGamgee> may be I have a bad version of screenshot, because this screenshot's features does not match what the tutorial says
[02:57] <SamwiseGamgee> it's pretty limited in what it can do, and it only saves png images
[02:57] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its not the same as the main ubuntu one
[02:58] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: this is lubuntu, the "l" is for "lxde", which, the "l" there is for "lightweight"
[02:58] <SamwiseGamgee> I know, I'm using xubuntu, not lubuntu
[03:02] <SamwiseGamgee> I would prefer a better screen capture app than one that uses a command line.  Isn't there a better one?  There must be dozens of them
[03:03] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "better" is a matter of opinion and use case
[03:04] <SamwiseGamgee> is there one like KSnapshot, that's a really good one?
[03:04] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: why not use it?
[03:04] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't have Kubuntu
[03:04] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "good" is a matter of opinion
[03:04] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: kubuntu *is* ubuntu
[03:04] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, Ksnapshot works for xubuntu?
[03:04] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can install it from the repos.. if its in the ubuntu repos..
[03:05] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, it's in the ubuntu software centre
[03:05] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[03:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i do not know ksnapshot, friend.. im just saying, if you want to use it, install it.. it'll pull in kde libs
[03:05] <holstein> but, if its "good", or "better" for you, then get it, and use it
[03:05] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, what are libs?
[03:07] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you will get kde applications pulled in.. lots of stuff.. that you dont really need.. added into your xubuntu to faciliate the kde application you are adding
[03:07] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, Shutter got a better review
[03:08] <SamwiseGamgee> Would Shutter work better than KSnapshot?
[03:08] <SamwiseGamgee> for Xubuntu?
[03:08] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: friend, there is not "better"..
[03:08] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: either it meets your needs, or not
[03:08] <SamwiseGamgee> I mean better for me
[03:08] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i use the included one, and make a screenshot, and edit it in an editor
[03:08] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i do not know your needs..
[03:09] <SamwiseGamgee> I will try Shutter, thanks
[03:09] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: try them both.. they are literally free to try
[03:11] <SamwiseGamgee> I assume it's easy to uninstall an app with Ubuntu, is that right?
[03:15] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, that's weird, according to the ubuntu software centre, screenshot is not installed, and yet the icon is still there, and it still works
[03:15] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats the *ubuntu* one, likely. the stock one that ships with ubuntu
[03:16] <SamwiseGamgee> May be I'
[03:16] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm not using the software centre properly
[03:17] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you are not using ubuntu
[03:18] <SamwiseGamgee> is it ok to leave the screenshot installed and install Shutter, so I have both programs?
[03:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you are on xubuntu, and in the #lubuntu channel
[03:18] <SamwiseGamgee> I am using xubuntu
[03:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they are *all* ubuntu, and share repositories.. but, you are looking up "screenshot" in the ubuntu software center.. thats likely the stock one from ubuntu
[03:18] <holstein> xubuntu will use a different one
[03:18] <holstein> lubuntu, even a different one
[03:19] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can just try them all and see what meets your needs..
[03:19] <SamwiseGamgee> it's ok to have two screen cap apps installed at the same time?
[03:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: why would it not be?
[03:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you will need to try them
[03:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you want to "experiement", use a live CD, then, you wont be "messsing up" your install
[03:20] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I want to try shutter, then if I like it, I will uninstall screenshot
[03:22] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, that's a good idea,  the Live CD may work better than the guest account for testing things?
[03:23] <SamwiseGamgee> by the way, is it easier to uninstall an application using the command line?
[03:24] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: again, there is no "better"
[03:24] <holstein> in this case, the guest account would need you to have installed the application, thus, changing the state of your current install
[03:25] <holstein> in the live cd, as i said above, you wont change your installation at all. and you can test without concern
[03:25] <SamwiseGamgee> that's awesome
[03:25] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "easier" is also a matter of opinion, and use case
[03:25] <SamwiseGamgee> sounds like a great way to experiment
[03:25] <SamwiseGamgee> and learn
[03:26] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks holstein
[03:26] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its easier for me to "sudo apt-get remove" whatever, rather than using the software center, since i prefer it, and i am more comfortable with it..
[03:26] <holstein> you may be faster in the software center..
[03:27] <SamwiseGamgee> I can access the software Centre using the Live CD?
[03:28] <SamwiseGamgee> And where does the Live CD store all the changes you make?  It goes into your RAM, then the RAM gets wiped when you leave?  is that how it works?
[03:29] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for the remove command, that will be very useful
[03:34] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it *deosnt* store them.. which is why its handy
[03:34] <SamwiseGamgee> screenshot add ons assume I have nautilus but I don't
[03:35] <SamwiseGamgee> that could be a problem
[03:36] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: xubuntu doesnt ship with nautilus
[03:36] <SamwiseGamgee> I forgot about nautilus, I had spent a lot of time researching nautilus on the Internet and came up with nothing
[03:36] <SamwiseGamgee> I even posted stuff on the forums about it
[03:37] <holstein> !info nautilus
[03:37] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: about what?
[03:37] <SamwiseGamgee> nautilus
[03:37] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what about it?
[03:38] <SamwiseGamgee> is it something I need?
[03:38] <SamwiseGamgee> Can I use Shutter without Nautilus?
[03:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i would get a live CD.. load it, and install shutter.. see what it pull in
[03:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you want, you can read about waht shutter pulls in
[03:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: does a screenshot tool need a file manager? no.. but i dont use shutter
[03:39] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried !info nautilus, but got nothing
[03:41] <SamwiseGamgee> it works better without the exclamation point
[03:42] <holstein> !info nautilus
[03:42] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ^ thats the info about it
[03:42] <holstein> its just the file manager
[03:42] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you dont need it to take a screenshot
[03:43] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: see if shutter pulls it in when you install it on the live CD
[03:43] <SamwiseGamgee> if it pulls in Nautilus?
[03:44] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: correct
[03:45] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you asked if it would pull in nautilus
[03:45] <holstein> thats the question you asked.. will shutter install or need nautilus
[03:45] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, that's right
[03:45] <holstein> i dont know that, and im trying to show you how to find out, rather than just looking it up and telling you
[03:46] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks for your help
[03:56] <SamwiseGamgee> it looks like Gnome was built in to my xubuntu OS, because it was installed onto my system probably the same day I installed xubuntu, but it's got bad reviews, and I never seen it anywhere, that sounds like trouble
[03:56] <SamwiseGamgee> Gnome, sorry, Nautilus
[03:57] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: *everything* gets "bad" reviews.. things either meet your needs, or they dont
[03:57] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: both xfce and gnome are gtk
[03:59] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't know gtk, but I do know that my File Manager is not Nautilus, so it's very strange that it has been installed  on my OS all this time iwthout me knowing it
[03:59] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: l?
[03:59] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: friend, its not like that, at all
[03:59] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you installed something that pulled in nautilus, then, it got pulled in
[04:00] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you are not checking when you install applications to see what is getting installed
[04:00] <SamwiseGamgee> normally, I do
[04:00] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: just take your time, and try and do your experimentation in live CD's or in virtualization
[04:01] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[05:25] <martin1989> hi people
[05:25] <martin1989> i want to set my screensaver
[05:25] <martin1989> with a specific image that i have on mi hd
[05:25] <martin1989> how can i do that?
[06:46] <blackhawk_> Bonjour toutes et tous
[07:07] <manuel_> Hi
[07:11] <manuel_> I have a little problem
[07:14] <Noskcaj> !ask | manuel_
[07:14] <Noskcaj> !patience
[07:15] <manuel_> Sorr,but I wanted to ask, befor I know, that other people here, and write.
[07:15] <manuel_> SO now to my problem.
[07:17] <manuel_> I have on my Laptop, a lenovo g505, Ubuntu installed and later have I Lubuntu-core install. All programms going good, but the Logout and shutdown is not so good.
[07:18] <manuel_> I go normaly on the start button, or on the button left on the bar and click on log out. And then feels a half minute, to get the dialog with shutdown, logout, .... what can I do, that thats not every sshutdown happen.
[07:19] <Noskcaj> wxl, I'm trying to get my old mac mini to work again, but i get an error about message about "live" not being a file or directory
[07:19] <Noskcaj> "live video=radeonfb:1024x768-32@60" is what i'm trying to run
[07:20] <Noskcaj> manuel_, So is your computer just too slow?
[07:20] <manuel_> now, thats not
[07:22] <manuel_> in the .xsession-error file in my home, can I read that the script for the ibus under run_im started.
[07:22] <manuel_> sorry, Ilive in germany and have a little problem with english
[07:27] <bivin> Is lubuntu better for virtual box?
[07:31] <Noskcaj> wxl, never mind, fixed it
[08:17] <manuel_> Ehm, can everyone help me now, or what is?
[09:03] <manuel___> exit
[11:27] <onla> whre can I set what app opens acestream:// links
[11:28] <onla> chrome asks if I want to launch app but it launches another chrome instance when it should launch acestream player :( can't see acestream on lxsession configuration applet
[11:29] <onla> same with sop:// links for sopcast
[16:08] <MrZodiac> Anyone know of any good twitter clients?
[16:09] <MrZodiac> I'm looking for something as light-weight on resources as well.
[16:09] <holstein> http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2014/02/18/twitterclient/
[16:09] <holstein> !info gwibber
[16:10] <MrZodiac> Thanks but something besides Gwibber
[16:10] <holstein> MrZodiac: sure.. the link suggests *many* other options
[16:10] <MrZodiac> Viewing it now.
[16:10] <holstein> !info twyt
[16:10] <MrZodiac> Thanks
[16:11] <holstein> !info twidge
[16:11] <holstein> something in the terminal.. or, whatever twitter might suggest for you to use
[16:12] <MrZodiac> Nice
[21:31] <UltimaKR> Hello, I was hoping someone could help me with reading an IDE hard drive. I have a computer with Lubuntu 12.10 and I was trying to retrieve data off an old HDD. I set it to slave and plugged it in, but I am not sure how to access it in Lubuntu.
[21:33] <anarkhos> it doesn't show up at all?
[21:33] <UltimaKR> anarkhos: What do you mean? I am not sure where to look.
[21:35] <anarkhos> the menu, accessories i think, then... i don't recall what it's called. the program to explore drives, partitions, folders, files
[21:37] <UltimaKR> anarkhos: I am in File Manager, but does Lubuntu automount? I see two things under storage that say "ATA" but one says it is a seagate, the other doesnt (they both should)
[21:38] <rafaellaguna> hello
[21:38] <anarkhos> im pretty sure my ntfs partition was automounted
[21:38] <rafaellaguna> you can configure pcmanfm to automount or not, and to auto-open
[21:38] <rafaellaguna> ntfs or whatever partition
[21:39] <UltimaKR> anarkhos: So where do i go to see what is on it?
[21:39] <anarkhos> isn't it just a matter of clicking on it?
[21:40] <UltimaKR> anarkhos: it is plugged in internally
[21:40] <rafaellaguna> open preferences menu in pcmanfm and go to "volume management"
[21:41] <rafaellaguna> there you can choose mount disks (volumes), media (usb, discs) and show (open a window)
[21:41] <UltimaKR> thats what is weird to me....i cannot get to volume management
[21:42] <UltimaKR> the other computer with the exact same lubuntu can, but it only reads SATA drives
[21:42] <rafaellaguna> wha version of Lubuntu do you use?
[21:42] <rafaellaguna> *what
[21:43] <UltimaKR> it is 12.10...i have yet to do a fresh install with the 14
[21:43] <rafaellaguna> yes, 12.10 is very outdated, I recommend to upgrade
[21:43] <rafaellaguna> also, your new desktop will recognize better usb drives and partitions
[21:44] <UltimaKR> it is not plugged in by usb
[21:44] <UltimaKR> it is connect with an ide cable internally
[21:44] <rafaellaguna> doesn't matter, it should see it
[21:45] <rafaellaguna> maybe the volume preferences is in other place
[21:45] <rafaellaguna> I have 14.04 so I don't know how you see it
[21:45] <UltimaKR> i will try this ide to usb cable with the other computer and see, be right back...this one has 14
[21:46] <rafaellaguna> ok, we'll be here... or not :D
[21:46] <rafaellaguna> kidding, there's always someone here
[21:46] <UltimaKR> alright, it didnt do anything
[21:48] <UltimaKR> i see a 48GB partition, but I know that is the main drive
[21:48] <rafaellaguna> nice, so you can access it?
[21:49] <UltimaKR> that is the original drive, not the one i am looking for
[21:49] <rafaellaguna> do you have a tool called palimpsest or gnome-disk-utility?
[21:50] <UltimaKR> where would i find them or where do i get them
[21:52] <rafaellaguna> open lxterminal and use "sudo apt-get install palimpsest" or "sudo apt-get install gnome-disk-utility", with that you can see and manipulate your drives, be careful, it's a partition editor
[21:54] <UltimaKR> which of those two do you recommend
[22:06] <anarkhos> i don't know much about either. maybe you could just try one first and if it doesn't work, install the other?
[22:07] <rafaellaguna> try the first one, and if it doesn't work, the second :)
[22:10] <UltimaKR> rafaellaguna: While I am installing that I am plugging the drive into the 12.10 computer by IDE, and Primary Disk 1 is "Unknown Device"
[22:10] <rafaellaguna> that happens when there's no partition or an error
[22:10] <rafaellaguna> or an unrecognized file system, rare in Linux
[22:16] <UltimaKR> rafaellaguna: Ok so in fdisk I get something finally, but "no valid partition table"
[22:16] <rafaellaguna> see? you'll need to make another one, but you'll loose any data on it, if there's any
[22:18] <UltimaKR> rafaellaguna: Is there a way to back it up first? The purpose of this exercise is to back up THEN wipe and install a fresh OS
[22:19] <rafaellaguna> no if you can't access to it :|