| ochosi | hi everyone | 09:05 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | bluesabre: can we look at lls together today or tomorrow or are you super-busy? | 09:05 |
| ochosi | just have to whip it in shape a bit before FF creeps up on us | 09:05 |
| elfy | hi ochosi :) | 09:05 |
| ochosi | hey elfy | 09:05 |
| ochosi | thanks for setting the trello-board public | 09:05 |
| ochosi | and for checking whether it's in sync | 09:05 |
| elfy | welcome - I'll check the sync this weekend | 09:06 |
| ochosi | guess it's important to get an overview now that FF is only a few days away | 09:06 |
| elfy | yep | 09:06 |
| ochosi | elfy: anything i can help with to make QA less moribund? | 09:33 |
| elfy | ochosi: if people aren't testing what can we do - you could mail the dev list perhaps, not sure what else we can do | 09:36 |
| elfy | there are a couple of people testing images now and again | 09:36 |
| elfy | seems that jjfrv8 does some package testing when I call | 09:36 |
| elfy | maybe see what happens with the first beta call/test in a week or two | 09:37 |
| ochosi | ok, i can also do some testing myself | 09:41 |
| elfy | :) | 09:41 |
| ochosi | if you have specific things that need more looking at, let me know | 09:41 |
| elfy | I will | 09:41 |
| elfy | mostly atm my concern is what happens when we beta test - if I'm the only one testing that - then what's the point in bothering *shrug* | 09:42 |
| ochosi | well one person testing is significantly better than zero [: | 09:43 |
| elfy | lol | 09:43 |
| ochosi | i guess it's hard to make testing more attractive | 09:44 |
| ochosi | although if you want, we can sit down and think about creating more incentive | 09:44 |
| ochosi | (and even if it only is that we send ppl who test regularly xubuntu stickers) | 09:45 |
| ochosi | pleia2: thanks for doing the meeting! if you need input/help with the article for x.org let me know (of if you want me to review it) | 09:46 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea testing is boring ... especially if you sit there and do 10 at a time | 09:46 |
| elfy | might be some mileage in incentivising it (if that's even a word ) | 09:47 |
| elfy | off for a bit now | 09:47 |
| ochosi | elfy: right, then let's think about that some more. i wouldn't mind investing a few of those bucks left in our "account" held by knome into this (at least i see much more direct benefit for us as a team from that then handing out flyers at conferences etc) | 09:51 |
| ochosi | (and if incentivising isn't a word, it definitely should be! :)) | 09:52 |
| brainwash | ochosi: does bug 1054299 really affect xfpm directly? any idea? | 10:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1054299 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Race condition in suspend scripts reveals desktop" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054299 | 10:47 |
| brainwash | it does call xflock4 from xfce4-session | 10:48 |
| ochosi | brainwash: haha, well good to read that suspend also didn't work nicely with xscreensaver | 12:38 |
| ochosi | and what i considered a security threat (i.e. locking only when waking up) is considered normal there | 12:38 |
| elfy | ha | 12:38 |
| ochosi | i would say it has to do with xscreensaver, not with xflock or the power-manager | 12:39 |
| ochosi | i mean now it | 12:39 |
| ochosi | 's logind handling that | 12:39 |
| brainwash | so.. can xfpm be removed from the affects list? | 12:44 |
| brainwash | closing the report completely is not an option yet, right? | 12:44 |
| brainwash | because 12.04 is still a supported release | 12:45 |
| brainwash | and not clue about 14.04 | 12:45 |
| ochosi | i presume that for those using xscreensaver in 14.04, it might still be a problem | 12:47 |
| ochosi | but no clue, i haven't used xscreensaver in quite a while | 12:47 |
| brainwash | kinda strange though | 12:50 |
| elfy | aren't they all ... | 12:50 |
| ochosi | suspend is just still a very tricky procedure on linux obviously | 12:51 |
| brainwash | it's a high priority bug plus security related :/ | 12:51 |
| brainwash | and we cannot get rid of it | 12:51 |
| elfy | ochosi: re incentivising ... if we think about it till the beta testing - then if it's dead still take it to meeting | 12:51 |
| ochosi | elfy: you mean think about it as in make a list of possible options and discuss that after b1 @meeting? | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | hey guys | 12:59 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea I think so :p | 13:00 |
| ochosi | o hey bluesabre | 13:05 |
| ochosi | elfy: okeydokey, lemme know if the ideas get too many and you wanna write them down anywhere ;) | 13:05 |
| elfy | if we manage to get that many we can chuck it on a pad | 13:07 |
| ochosi | yup | 13:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so how's the weekend looking? got time to look into lls with me? | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: so far, looking open for today | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | what changes need to be made for lls at this point, did we get everything we need with xfpm 1.3.1? | 13:14 |
| elfy | hi bluesabre | 13:17 |
| bluesabre | hey elfy | 13:17 |
| bluesabre | haven't had a look at your parole issue yet | 13:18 |
| elfy | no problem - I'd think other things have more priority | 13:18 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i would personally add a check for xfpm in lls and if it's running we hide the dpms and blank settings since xfpm handles all of that | 13:19 |
| bluesabre | ok | 13:20 |
| ochosi | so basically there aren't that many settings left for lls, but well... | 13:20 |
| bluesabre | I can also add a button that launches the xfpm settings... does it support specific tab opening? | 13:20 |
| ochosi | hmm, i think it partly does already | 13:21 |
| ochosi | because we can open the devices tab | 13:21 |
| ochosi | but it might need more work to open specific tabs | 13:21 |
| bluesabre | ok, I'll take a look | 13:22 |
| ochosi | i think right now we just open the last tab, cause that's always devices | 13:22 |
| ochosi | but not sure | 13:22 |
| ochosi | (eric implemented that part) | 13:23 |
| ochosi | hmpf, splitsville | 19:57 |
| bluesabre | splitcity | 20:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: oh, you're back | 20:11 |
| bluesabre | yup, just got back | 20:11 |
| ochosi | so finalizing catfish now? | 20:13 |
| bluesabre | yes, want to test it in a bit | 20:13 |
| bluesabre | ? | 20:13 |
| ochosi | ah, that question mark was important :) | 20:13 |
| ochosi | sure | 20:13 |
| ochosi | lemme know when you're ready | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | Soo, I've been told to tell you when I do personal Xfce things like merges. I'm merging xfce4-session 4.11.0 from experimental. | 20:16 |
| bluesabre | sweet | 20:19 |
| bluesabre | I'll sponsor that for you when you're ready | 20:19 |
| Unit193 | The one in experimental is older than unstable, so kind of did a merge of both. | 20:20 |
| Unit193 | OK, I'll upload a dsc for you. | 20:20 |
| bluesabre | ok, just committed changes for catfish... "--start" can autostart the search on startup | 20:24 |
| bluesabre | catfish /home/sean kittens --start | 20:24 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: dget https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-session_4.11.0-1ubuntu1.dsc | 20:25 |
| bluesabre | awesome | 20:25 |
| Unit193 | Don't forget to review, I may have botched it. :D | 20:26 |
| bluesabre | D: | 20:27 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: weee, that we should definitely add to whiskermenu! | 20:27 |
| ochosi | i mean as a default action | 20:27 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Thanks, wasn't sure if we were going to go for more 4.11 this cycle. | 20:28 |
| bluesabre | as much as we can get in before thursday | 20:28 |
| bluesabre | hopefully nick does the settings release soon | 20:28 |
| ochosi | maybe something like "search kitten" would do "catfish /home/$user kitten --start" and "search kitten everywhere" could do "catfish / kitten --start" | 20:28 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: we should remind him and otherwise you can just do the release | 20:29 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 20:29 |
| Unit193 | libxfce4util? | 20:29 |
| Unit193 | That and xfce4-mixer are the only things experimental has that Ubuntu doesn't. | 20:31 |
| bluesabre | it would probably make sense to grab them | 20:31 |
| Unit193 | Our delta for -mixer is an epoch. >_x | 20:34 |
| ochosi | rly? | 20:35 |
| ochosi | how come? | 20:35 |
| bluesabre | probably pulseaudio or something | 20:35 |
| bluesabre | brb | 20:35 |
| ochosi | i don't think we have pulseaudio support in the mixer in ubuntu | 20:35 |
| ochosi | wonder how long it'll take until gst0.10 is gone from the repos | 20:36 |
| ochosi | maybe not too soon though, not sure | 20:36 |
| Unit193 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/1:4.2.1-2ubuntu1 That's the first hit in the changelog for it. | 20:36 |
| bluesabre | wowza | 20:41 |
| ochosi | holy christ | 20:44 |
| ochosi | that was a while ago :) | 20:44 |
| bluesabre | ok, catfish does work as a whiskermenu action | 20:50 |
| bluesabre | so thats handy | 20:50 |
| ochosi | you just have to decide what the shortcut will be | 20:50 |
| ochosi | what did you think about the location substitution? | 20:51 |
| ochosi | or defaulting to some location like home by default | 20:51 |
| ochosi | weeee, sorry for that overuse of default | 20:51 |
| bluesabre | just default to home | 20:51 |
| bluesabre | by default | 20:51 |
| ochosi | :) | 20:53 |
| ochosi | yup, i think that makes sense for most ppl | 20:54 |
| bluesabre | notice any issues or have any suggestions? thinking about letting 1.2.0 out of the gate now | 20:54 |
| ochosi | lemme test the whisker-action | 20:54 |
| bluesabre | /path/to/catfish %s --start | 20:54 |
| ochosi | (also, you didn't say "test it now" before, so i haven't looked yet) | 20:55 |
| bluesabre | :D | 20:55 |
| ochosi | hm, the wording of "this process requires.." is not ideal maybe | 20:56 |
| ochosi | how about "This action requires administrative rights"? | 20:56 |
| bluesabre | sure, that sounds nicer and to the point | 20:56 |
| ochosi | mm, nice infobar stuff | 20:57 |
| ochosi | also the abort-infobar, i like it | 20:57 |
| Unit193 | '...would do "catfish /home/$user kitten...' Ever heard of $HOME? | 20:57 |
| ochosi | "user aborted authentication." is not very elegantly put though, sounds a bit wooden :) | 20:57 |
| bluesabre | actually, the code actually works out so home is default, so you don't even have to provide a path | 20:57 |
| ochosi | Unit193: nope, there's no place like $HOME. | 20:58 |
| bluesabre | "You gave up trying to remember your password" | 20:59 |
| bluesabre | "Authentication cancelled" perhaps? | 20:59 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe | 20:59 |
| ochosi | btw, not sure why the "esc" or cancel button don't work as responsively as they used to | 21:00 |
| bluesabre | possibly because locate is actually being used again... apparently that code got ignored the last few releases :) | 21:00 |
| ochosi | hm, it also seems to reload the list if i hit cancel | 21:00 |
| ochosi | ah, hehe | 21:00 |
| ochosi | so it' | 21:00 |
| ochosi | s a feature? :) | 21:00 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 21:00 |
| bluesabre | "reload the list"? | 21:02 |
| ochosi | ok, i guess i can reproduce it like this: | 21:05 |
| ochosi | enter e.g. "kittens", hit search, then after a few results hit cancel | 21:05 |
| ochosi | then *don't* change the search term, hit search again and then cancel again | 21:06 |
| ochosi | then it reloads the result-list a few times for me (at least twice) | 21:06 |
| bluesabre | ahhh | 21:08 |
| bluesabre | nice catch | 21:08 |
| bluesabre | fix pushed | 21:19 |
| ochosi | oh that was quick | 21:19 |
| ochosi | yup, that works | 21:19 |
| bluesabre | would have been faster, but http://grammarist.com/spelling/cancel/ | 21:20 |
| ochosi | the fact that the cancelling is still very sluggish sucks a bit | 21:20 |
| ochosi | but yeah, at least locate is being used again i guess ;) | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | the app closes quickly even with locate, so thats something :) | 21:21 |
| ochosi | :D | 21:21 |
| ochosi | yup, the whiskermenu action rules | 21:24 |
| ochosi | nice stuff | 21:24 |
| ochosi | the rest works as planned as far as i can tell | 21:25 |
| ochosi | btw, i guess instead of a panel-plugin one could also try to pop up catfish (without window-deco) where whiskermenu was | 21:25 |
| ochosi | maybe there | 21:25 |
| ochosi | 's some mutual integration that could be done, passing around parameters and all | 21:26 |
| bluesabre | maybe, I'll have to think about that one | 21:26 |
| bluesabre | yay, my pbuilder finally built Unit193's package | 21:27 |
| bluesabre | now to test | 21:27 |
| ochosi | could also talk to graeme gott | 21:27 |
| bluesabre | right | 21:30 |
| ochosi | be back after one episode of sherlock... | 21:31 |
| Unit193 | Wait, new ones or are you way behind? | 21:31 |
| bluesabre | session | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | first it was a failed build since pbuilder was out of date | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | then I had to update and try again | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | :D | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | but everything looks ok, uploading now | 21:34 |
| Unit193 | Nono, I meant Sherlock. :P | 21:35 |
| Unit193 | But, glad it's working. | 21:36 |
| * skellat notes that LP Bug #1297649 plus the linked bits from Debian may bring cause for an archive removal for Trusty and Utopic of twinkle if somebody on our end wants to spearhead such | 22:09 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1297649 in twinkle (Ubuntu) "Not started (show) twinkle on 14.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297649 | 22:09 |
| * bluesabre release catfish 1.2.0 https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.2/1.2.0 | 22:19 | |
| bluesabre | re: twinkle, yikes | 22:20 |
| bluesabre | Unit193, Noskcaj, interested ^ ? | 22:21 |
| Unit193 | In paperwork? Nope. | 22:21 |
| bluesabre | D: | 22:21 |
| Noskcaj | paperwork: nope, catfish: Are you going to do the debian package or should i? | 22:21 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj, if you want to, go ahead :) | 22:22 |
| Noskcaj | sure | 22:22 |
| Unit193 | "twinkle's binaries are not seeded." I see no reason for it to be an Xubuntu problem. | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | should be straight-forward, no packaging changes should be needed | 22:22 |
| Noskcaj | Anything non version-bump needed? | 22:22 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | thanks :) | 22:23 |
| Noskcaj | Did you fix the about dialogue issue? | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | wrong version number displayed? | 22:24 |
| Noskcaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757828 | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 757828 in catfish "catfish: about dialog and --version show 1.0.2" [Minor,Open] | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | yeah, that should happen no longer :) | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | the about dialog was hard-coded in the glade file, and now its smarter | 22:25 |
| Noskcaj | great | 22:25 |
| bluesabre | for the next release, I'll go to a python build system and then I won't forget that anymore ;) | 22:25 |
| Unit193 | * Patch aclocal.m4 and configure to build on ppc64el. We can likely just sync the 4.11 one then. | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | of which thing? | 22:33 |
| Unit193 | Bleh, looks like a no. | 22:38 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i was way behind | 23:01 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: congrats on catfish | 23:02 |
| ochosi | now let's go and add a custom action to whisker as soon as catfish hits utopic | 23:02 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Ah, I see. Didn't think they were due back yet. | 23:05 |
| ochosi | i still have a bit ahead of (lucky) me | 23:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: still wanting to look at lls? | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | yeah, will do that one next | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: careful, if you watch a few sherlocks, you'll have watched them all | 23:29 |
| Unit193 | Hah, indeed. | 23:29 |
| ochosi | hehe, yeah, that's the worst part of it tbh | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: xfce4-power-manager --version doesn't seem to output any version | 23:38 |
| ochosi | hah, indeed | 23:39 |
| ochosi | fun bug | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | was going to use that to verify versions :) | 23:39 |
| ochosi | hehe, bad idea | 23:41 |
| ochosi | i'm looking into it now | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | cool | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | I'll add a breaks for xfce4-power-manager << 1.3.0 when I package it, that should make it safe | 23:42 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think that's better than actually checking xfpm's version | 23:43 |
| ochosi | i mean it's possible, but obviously it doesn't work :) | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | it happens | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | catfish-1.0.3 said it was 1.0.2 | 23:43 |
| ochosi | yeah, the xfpm 1.3.1 release said it was 1.3.0 in the release mail :) | 23:44 |
| bluesabre | who knows how that even happened ;) | 23:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: heh, try xfce4-power-manager --debug --version | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: haha | 23:50 |
| ochosi | i'm still in the progress of debugging this | 23:51 |
| ochosi | not entirely sure what's going on there | 23:51 |
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