[09:05] hi everyone [09:05] bluesabre: can we look at lls together today or tomorrow or are you super-busy? [09:05] just have to whip it in shape a bit before FF creeps up on us [09:05] hi ochosi :) [09:05] hey elfy [09:05] thanks for setting the trello-board public [09:05] and for checking whether it's in sync [09:06] welcome - I'll check the sync this weekend [09:06] guess it's important to get an overview now that FF is only a few days away [09:06] yep [09:33] elfy: anything i can help with to make QA less moribund? [09:36] ochosi: if people aren't testing what can we do - you could mail the dev list perhaps, not sure what else we can do [09:36] there are a couple of people testing images now and again [09:36] seems that jjfrv8 does some package testing when I call [09:37] maybe see what happens with the first beta call/test in a week or two [09:41] ok, i can also do some testing myself [09:41] :) [09:41] if you have specific things that need more looking at, let me know [09:41] I will [09:42] mostly atm my concern is what happens when we beta test - if I'm the only one testing that - then what's the point in bothering *shrug* [09:43] well one person testing is significantly better than zero [: [09:43] lol [09:44] i guess it's hard to make testing more attractive [09:44] although if you want, we can sit down and think about creating more incentive [09:45] (and even if it only is that we send ppl who test regularly xubuntu stickers) [09:46] pleia2: thanks for doing the meeting! if you need input/help with the article for x.org let me know (of if you want me to review it) [09:46] ochosi: yea testing is boring ... especially if you sit there and do 10 at a time [09:47] might be some mileage in incentivising it (if that's even a word ) [09:47] off for a bit now [09:51] elfy: right, then let's think about that some more. i wouldn't mind investing a few of those bucks left in our "account" held by knome into this (at least i see much more direct benefit for us as a team from that then handing out flyers at conferences etc) [09:52] (and if incentivising isn't a word, it definitely should be! :)) [10:47] ochosi: does bug 1054299 really affect xfpm directly? any idea? [10:47] bug 1054299 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Race condition in suspend scripts reveals desktop" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054299 [10:48] it does call xflock4 from xfce4-session [12:38] brainwash: haha, well good to read that suspend also didn't work nicely with xscreensaver [12:38] and what i considered a security threat (i.e. locking only when waking up) is considered normal there [12:38] ha [12:39] i would say it has to do with xscreensaver, not with xflock or the power-manager [12:39] i mean now it [12:39] 's logind handling that [12:44] so.. can xfpm be removed from the affects list? [12:44] closing the report completely is not an option yet, right? [12:45] because 12.04 is still a supported release [12:45] and not clue about 14.04 [12:47] i presume that for those using xscreensaver in 14.04, it might still be a problem [12:47] but no clue, i haven't used xscreensaver in quite a while [12:50] kinda strange though [12:50] aren't they all ... [12:51] suspend is just still a very tricky procedure on linux obviously [12:51] it's a high priority bug plus security related :/ [12:51] and we cannot get rid of it [12:51] ochosi: re incentivising ... if we think about it till the beta testing - then if it's dead still take it to meeting [12:54] elfy: you mean think about it as in make a list of possible options and discuss that after b1 @meeting? [12:59] hey guys [13:00] ochosi: yea I think so :p [13:05] o hey bluesabre [13:05] elfy: okeydokey, lemme know if the ideas get too many and you wanna write them down anywhere ;) [13:07] if we manage to get that many we can chuck it on a pad [13:08] yup [13:14] bluesabre: so how's the weekend looking? got time to look into lls with me? [13:14] ochosi: so far, looking open for today [13:14] what changes need to be made for lls at this point, did we get everything we need with xfpm 1.3.1? [13:17] hi bluesabre [13:17] hey elfy [13:18] haven't had a look at your parole issue yet [13:18] no problem - I'd think other things have more priority [13:19] bluesabre: i would personally add a check for xfpm in lls and if it's running we hide the dpms and blank settings since xfpm handles all of that [13:20] ok [13:20] so basically there aren't that many settings left for lls, but well... [13:20] I can also add a button that launches the xfpm settings... does it support specific tab opening? [13:21] hmm, i think it partly does already [13:21] because we can open the devices tab [13:21] but it might need more work to open specific tabs [13:22] ok, I'll take a look [13:22] i think right now we just open the last tab, cause that's always devices [13:22] but not sure [13:23] (eric implemented that part) [19:57] hmpf, splitsville [20:08] splitcity [20:11] bluesabre: oh, you're back [20:11] yup, just got back [20:13] so finalizing catfish now? [20:13] yes, want to test it in a bit [20:13] ? [20:13] ah, that question mark was important :) [20:13] sure [20:13] lemme know when you're ready [20:16] Soo, I've been told to tell you when I do personal Xfce things like merges. I'm merging xfce4-session 4.11.0 from experimental. [20:19] sweet [20:19] I'll sponsor that for you when you're ready [20:20] The one in experimental is older than unstable, so kind of did a merge of both. [20:20] OK, I'll upload a dsc for you. [20:24] ok, just committed changes for catfish... "--start" can autostart the search on startup [20:24] catfish /home/sean kittens --start [20:25] bluesabre: dget https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-session_4.11.0-1ubuntu1.dsc [20:25] awesome [20:26] Don't forget to review, I may have botched it. :D [20:27] D: [20:27] bluesabre: weee, that we should definitely add to whiskermenu! [20:27] i mean as a default action [20:28] bluesabre: Thanks, wasn't sure if we were going to go for more 4.11 this cycle. [20:28] as much as we can get in before thursday [20:28] hopefully nick does the settings release soon [20:28] maybe something like "search kitten" would do "catfish /home/$user kitten --start" and "search kitten everywhere" could do "catfish / kitten --start" [20:29] bluesabre: we should remind him and otherwise you can just do the release [20:29] yeah [20:29] libxfce4util? [20:31] That and xfce4-mixer are the only things experimental has that Ubuntu doesn't. [20:31] it would probably make sense to grab them [20:34] Our delta for -mixer is an epoch. >_x [20:35] rly? [20:35] how come? [20:35] probably pulseaudio or something [20:35] brb [20:35] i don't think we have pulseaudio support in the mixer in ubuntu [20:36] wonder how long it'll take until gst0.10 is gone from the repos [20:36] maybe not too soon though, not sure [20:36] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/1:4.2.1-2ubuntu1 That's the first hit in the changelog for it. [20:41] wowza [20:44] holy christ [20:44] that was a while ago :) [20:50] ok, catfish does work as a whiskermenu action [20:50] so thats handy [20:50] you just have to decide what the shortcut will be [20:51] what did you think about the location substitution? [20:51] or defaulting to some location like home by default [20:51] weeee, sorry for that overuse of default [20:51] just default to home [20:51] by default [20:53] :) [20:54] yup, i think that makes sense for most ppl [20:54] notice any issues or have any suggestions? thinking about letting 1.2.0 out of the gate now [20:54] lemme test the whisker-action [20:54] /path/to/catfish %s --start [20:55] (also, you didn't say "test it now" before, so i haven't looked yet) [20:55] :D [20:56] hm, the wording of "this process requires.." is not ideal maybe [20:56] how about "This action requires administrative rights"? [20:56] sure, that sounds nicer and to the point [20:57] mm, nice infobar stuff [20:57] also the abort-infobar, i like it [20:57] '...would do "catfish /home/$user kitten...' Ever heard of $HOME? [20:57] "user aborted authentication." is not very elegantly put though, sounds a bit wooden :) [20:57] actually, the code actually works out so home is default, so you don't even have to provide a path [20:58] Unit193: nope, there's no place like $HOME. [20:59] "You gave up trying to remember your password" [20:59] "Authentication cancelled" perhaps? [20:59] yeah, maybe [21:00] btw, not sure why the "esc" or cancel button don't work as responsively as they used to [21:00] possibly because locate is actually being used again... apparently that code got ignored the last few releases :) [21:00] hm, it also seems to reload the list if i hit cancel [21:00] ah, hehe [21:00] so it' [21:00] s a feature? :) [21:00] ;) [21:02] "reload the list"? [21:05] ok, i guess i can reproduce it like this: [21:05] enter e.g. "kittens", hit search, then after a few results hit cancel [21:06] then *don't* change the search term, hit search again and then cancel again [21:06] then it reloads the result-list a few times for me (at least twice) [21:08] ahhh [21:08] nice catch [21:19] fix pushed [21:19] oh that was quick [21:19] yup, that works [21:20] would have been faster, but http://grammarist.com/spelling/cancel/ [21:20] the fact that the cancelling is still very sluggish sucks a bit [21:20] but yeah, at least locate is being used again i guess ;) [21:21] the app closes quickly even with locate, so thats something :) [21:21] :D [21:24] yup, the whiskermenu action rules [21:24] nice stuff [21:25] the rest works as planned as far as i can tell [21:25] btw, i guess instead of a panel-plugin one could also try to pop up catfish (without window-deco) where whiskermenu was [21:25] maybe there [21:26] 's some mutual integration that could be done, passing around parameters and all [21:26] maybe, I'll have to think about that one [21:27] yay, my pbuilder finally built Unit193's package [21:27] now to test [21:27] could also talk to graeme gott [21:30] right [21:31] be back after one episode of sherlock... [21:31] Wait, new ones or are you way behind? [21:34] session [21:34] first it was a failed build since pbuilder was out of date [21:34] then I had to update and try again [21:34] :D [21:34] but everything looks ok, uploading now [21:35] Nono, I meant Sherlock. :P [21:36] But, glad it's working. [22:09] * skellat notes that LP Bug #1297649 plus the linked bits from Debian may bring cause for an archive removal for Trusty and Utopic of twinkle if somebody on our end wants to spearhead such [22:09] Launchpad bug 1297649 in twinkle (Ubuntu) "Not started (show) twinkle on 14.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297649 [22:19] * bluesabre release catfish 1.2.0 https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.2/1.2.0 [22:20] re: twinkle, yikes [22:21] Unit193, Noskcaj, interested ^ ? [22:21] In paperwork? Nope. [22:21] D: [22:21] paperwork: nope, catfish: Are you going to do the debian package or should i? [22:22] Noskcaj, if you want to, go ahead :) [22:22] sure [22:22] "twinkle's binaries are not seeded." I see no reason for it to be an Xubuntu problem. [22:22] should be straight-forward, no packaging changes should be needed [22:22] Anything non version-bump needed? [22:22] ok [22:23] thanks :) [22:23] Did you fix the about dialogue issue? [22:24] wrong version number displayed? [22:24] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757828 [22:24] Debian bug 757828 in catfish "catfish: about dialog and --version show 1.0.2" [Minor,Open] [22:24] yeah, that should happen no longer :) [22:25] the about dialog was hard-coded in the glade file, and now its smarter [22:25] great [22:25] for the next release, I'll go to a python build system and then I won't forget that anymore ;) [22:32] * Patch aclocal.m4 and configure to build on ppc64el. We can likely just sync the 4.11 one then. [22:33] of which thing? [22:38] Bleh, looks like a no. [23:01] Unit193: i was way behind [23:02] bluesabre: congrats on catfish [23:02] now let's go and add a custom action to whisker as soon as catfish hits utopic [23:05] ochosi: Ah, I see. Didn't think they were due back yet. [23:07] i still have a bit ahead of (lucky) me [23:10] bluesabre: still wanting to look at lls? [23:28] hey ochosi [23:28] yeah, will do that one next [23:29] ochosi: careful, if you watch a few sherlocks, you'll have watched them all [23:29] Hah, indeed. [23:36] hehe, yeah, that's the worst part of it tbh [23:38] ochosi: xfce4-power-manager --version doesn't seem to output any version [23:39] hah, indeed [23:39] fun bug [23:39] was going to use that to verify versions :) [23:41] hehe, bad idea [23:41] i'm looking into it now [23:41] cool [23:42] I'll add a breaks for xfce4-power-manager << 1.3.0 when I package it, that should make it safe [23:43] yeah, i think that's better than actually checking xfpm's version [23:43] i mean it's possible, but obviously it doesn't work :) [23:43] it happens [23:43] catfish-1.0.3 said it was 1.0.2 [23:44] yeah, the xfpm 1.3.1 release said it was 1.3.0 in the release mail :) [23:44] who knows how that even happened ;) [23:49] bluesabre: heh, try xfce4-power-manager --debug --version [23:50] ochosi: haha [23:51] i'm still in the progress of debugging this [23:51] not entirely sure what's going on there