| dutchie | Azelphur: i have an account | 00:22 |
|---|---|---|
| dutchie | i looked at it for the first time in months today actualy | 00:22 |
| dutchie | it's ok | 00:22 |
| dutchie | i'd like custom categories which a cursory glance doesn't find | 00:23 |
| Azelphur | dutchie: how does it work in terms of security? | 00:42 |
| dutchie | Azelphur: you give them your online banking login details | 01:00 |
| dutchie | presumably they then screenscrape it | 01:00 |
| Azelphur | yea, that worries me haha | 01:01 |
| Azelphur | I think it voids your insurance with the bank | 01:01 |
| dutchie | probably | 01:01 |
| daftykins | hell, that enacts a face slap from daftykins for that level of retardation | 01:01 |
| daftykins | D: | 01:02 |
| dutchie | until banks offer apis etc there's not really another way to do it | 01:02 |
| Azelphur | yea, that's silly | 01:02 |
| dutchie | and i can't see that happening this decade | 01:02 |
| Azelphur | I wonder how a screen scraper works with banks that do 2fa | 01:02 |
| dutchie | expect you have to turn that off | 01:02 |
| Azelphur | can you even turn it off? | 01:03 |
| Azelphur | I didn't realise it was optional | 01:03 |
| dutchie | idk, mine doesn't offer it | 01:05 |
| daftykins | i wouldn't be surprised if in the regs it says if you do that, all your money are belong to strangers | 01:05 |
| dutchie | not for login at leas | 01:05 |
| dutchie | t | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | yea | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | so annoying, the banks need proper APIs for this stuff | 01:06 |
| dutchie | they do | 01:06 |
| dutchie | but it's not exactly a fast moving industry | 01:06 |
| Azelphur | oh cool, where are they? | 01:06 |
| Azelphur | if they have APIs, I'll just write my own things. | 01:06 |
| dutchie | i meant "they do need apis" | 01:06 |
| dutchie | hehe | 01:06 |
| Azelphur | oh | 01:06 |
| Azelphur | :< | 01:07 |
| dutchie | i wonder how hard it would actually be to set up a bank with apis etc | 01:07 |
| dutchie | or whether the regs make it really hard | 01:07 |
| Azelphur | dutchie: very difficult, I know from the bitcoin side of things. | 01:07 |
| Azelphur | I've been approached by people wanting to build banks before | 01:07 |
| dutchie | mm, i expected as much | 01:07 |
| Azelphur | it has a ~£100m entry point | 01:07 |
| dutchie | jesus | 01:07 |
| Azelphur | and that's just fort he insurance | 01:08 |
| Azelphur | dutchie: I was just thinking whether you could emulate one of those 2fa boxes ;) | 01:08 |
| dutchie | my immediate thought is "surely the point of them is you can't" | 01:09 |
| dutchie | although i guess not | 01:09 |
| dutchie | public key cryptography and all that | 01:09 |
| Azelphur | dutchie: nah, the point would be without the card and pin | 01:09 |
| Azelphur | which, in this scenario we have (yay!) | 01:09 |
| dutchie | indeed | 01:09 |
| Azelphur | if push comes to shove you could clone the card and use lego mindstorms to enter the pin | 01:09 |
| Azelphur | haha | 01:09 |
| Azelphur | dutchie: looks like the company that made the readers has a library, haha | 01:11 |
| Azelphur | ^ I wonder how many watch lists I'm on now for the above conversation | 01:13 |
| daftykins | they're like pokémon, gotta catch 'em all! | 01:14 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 01:14 |
| shauno | I can't see why you couldn't emulate devices for 2fa. like the stuff google etc use, that's a public algorithm | 01:34 |
| mapps | morning | 06:30 |
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| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:35 |
| mapps | hm strange | 14:29 |
| mapps | so my machine only boots if i select ubuntu advanced options and select an older kernel .23 | 14:29 |
| mapps | .30 and it just gets stuck in a loop:( | 14:29 |
| penguin42 | you say stuck in a loop - what do you mean? | 14:31 |
| mapps | basically says like bootsplash screen [ok] screen flashes then same thing | 14:31 |
| penguin42 | do you have any closed graphics drivers installed (nvidia or ati etc) | 14:33 |
| mapps | nope | 14:33 |
| penguin42 | ok, so you've got a regression, it needs reporting, and then to figure out what's going on | 14:34 |
| penguin42 | I'd try booting into the broken one, then boot into the working one and see if it managed to leave anything in the logs from the broken one | 14:34 |
| mapps | ok so reboot now | 14:34 |
| mapps | where would it write the logs to ? | 14:34 |
| mapps | . /var/log/? | 14:35 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 14:35 |
| penguin42 | kern.log or syslog or maybe Xorg.0.log from the previous boot | 14:35 |
| mapps | ok booting it now | 14:35 |
| mapps | 3.13.0-30-generic | 14:38 |
| mapps | its booted now | 14:38 |
| mapps | hmm | 14:38 |
| penguin42 | congratulations, you've got a heisenbug | 14:39 |
| mapps | so i should look at the boot logs and see why it failed before still | 14:39 |
| penguin42 | nod, if you're lucky | 14:39 |
| penguin42 | popey: Are you coming up here for xda dev conference next month? | 14:53 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 15:27 |
| * penguin42 yawns | 15:27 | |
| mapps | morning bigcalm | 15:33 |
| popey | penguin42: yes | 15:51 |
| popey | penguin42: take it you'll be there? | 15:52 |
| penguin42 | popey: I was thinking of being, I see there's a discount rate for only #25 and it'll only take me a few mins to get there | 15:53 |
| popey | nice! | 15:54 |
| popey | would be super to finally meet | 15:54 |
| bigcalm | Are there any other subscription based television channel providers in the UK other than Sky and VirginMedia? Trying to see what our options are once we move house | 16:06 |
| mapps | hmm dont think so | 16:06 |
| penguin42 | bt vision? | 16:06 |
| mapps | hows that work?> | 16:06 |
| bigcalm | penguin42: does that require taking out BT broadband? | 16:06 |
| penguin42 | I think so | 16:07 |
| bigcalm | That's a bit pants then | 16:08 |
| bigcalm | I think we'll make do with freesat | 16:08 |
| * penguin42 just uses freeview | 16:09 | |
| bigcalm | New house already has a satellite dish, so freesat will give us HD channels | 16:10 |
| penguin42 | house comes with a satellite dish? | 16:14 |
| bigcalm | penguin42: it's not a new build, it's new to us. Current (or previous) owners had satellite at some point. | 16:15 |
| bigcalm | I rather doubt that the owners are going to take the dish with them | 16:16 |
| DJones | bigcalm: From memory, Sky's satelite dish's go with the house anyway | 16:20 |
| DJones | But its very simple to connect cables to the dish, especially fi its already been upgraded in the last few years to have 4 outputs (Sky do it for Sky HD, multiroom etc) | 16:21 |
| DJones | s/fi/if/ | 16:22 |
| DJones | When we moved in, we had an old white sky dish on the side of the house, we've never had an issue with sky & kept up a subscription since we moved in, at some point when we upgraded toHD or multiroom, Sky replaced the dish for one of the mesh ones as well | 16:23 |
| bigcalm | DJones: if memory serves me correctly, I think it has 4 outputs. Only 2 in use to the sittingroom. So would make use of the other two to the bedroom | 16:23 |
| DJones | bigcalm: Yep (if its been upgraded for HD), we use 2 for HD into the living room, one for SD to the conservatory using a Freesat from Sky card and one for SD to the bedroom using Multiroom | 16:45 |
| DJones | Cables for the bedroom & conservatory I fitted myself using cable from maplin | 16:46 |
| MooDoo | pwd | 17:10 |
| MooDoo | ooops | 17:11 |
| bigcalm | DJones: single single cables to the two main bedrooms sounds like a good idea to me! | 17:14 |
| DJones | bigcalm: Yeah, very easy, just screw thread connectors | 17:14 |
| DJones | Hey its a MooDoo Hows the new job going | 17:15 |
| DJones | Sheesh, Rupert Murdoc on twitter "NSA privacy invasion bad, but nothing compared to Google." Erm, What, Who owns the Sun & News of the World, why aren't you in jail | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | I believe nobody forces people to sign up for Google services or to use their search engine, even | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | NSA/GHCQ aren't opt-outable except by moving to ... well. | 17:22 |
| DJones | Myrtti: exactly, | 17:22 |
| DJones | I have no problem with the NSA/GCHQ reading my google account with all its ubuntu-uk mailing list emails | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | using email is a bit fatalistic anyway | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | unless you use PGP on everything | 17:24 |
| Azelphur | Does anyone know that website that you can put someones email into and it sends them an abnoxious email about using the BCC field? | 17:27 |
| Azelphur | I can't seem to find it xD | 17:27 |
| DJones | Isn't that azelphur.com ? | 17:28 |
| Azelphur | lol | 17:28 |
| Azelphur | meh, I just sent them http://www.pleaselearntherules.com/ | 17:35 |
| DJones | A few weeks back, I had emails returned saying I wasn't replying, just returning the email, after about 6 emails, I pointed out that I was replying at the bottom of the relevant email,, they came back and said that it was wierd, nobody ever did that. Oddest thing was that I was emailing our IT/tech support contracter | 17:38 |
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| bigcalm | Anybody know how bitfolk compare to bytemark? | 20:41 |
| diddledan_ | really? http://www.macrumors.com/2014/08/17/another-image-new-lightning-cable/ | 21:46 |
| diddledan_ | no more schroedinger plugs? | 21:46 |
| daftykins | mmm i saw that, it doesn't look very sturdy though | 21:47 |
| diddledan_ | it doesn't does it | 21:47 |
| daftykins | thing is when they say lightning, they just mean USB to lightning don't they? | 21:47 |
| daftykins | it's quite misleading said like that | 21:47 |
| diddledan_ | yeah they do | 21:47 |
| diddledan_ | it's the usb end that's interesting this time | 21:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | well i'm sure apple will have cheap replacements if they fail :-p | 21:47 |
| daftykins | laaaaaawl ;) | 21:48 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi, yeah £20 a pop | 21:48 |
| daftykins | cheap if you don't mind dying | 21:48 |
| diddledan_ | USB3.1 is going to replace USB connectors A and B in favour of a reversible thing soon, too | 21:49 |
| daftykins | yeah i like the look of that | 21:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | so instead of 3 attempts to plug in it'll only take 1, think of the time savinigs :-) | 21:49 |
| daftykins | also 100W power and 10Gb | 21:49 |
| diddledan_ | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/187882-reversible-usb-type-c-connector-finalized-devices-cables-and-adapters-coming-soon | 21:49 |
| daftykins | indeed! | 21:49 |
| daftykins | so for a next upgrade i'd wait for DDR4 and USB 3.1 :> | 21:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | fingers crossed the eu then pushes for a standard laptop charger over usb 3 | 21:50 |
| daftykins | indeed | 21:50 |
| daftykins | and Apple opens up magsafe so all laptops use magsafe cables! | 21:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'd also be happy if eu pushed for a standard ink cartridge or toner | 21:50 |
| diddledan_ | the problem I have with both Type-B and the new C is that they have a really thin bit in the socket that can easily break off given the correct angle of force | 21:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | well didn't a deep fat fryer use mag power dohickey before apple? | 21:51 |
| diddledan_ | I think I'd prefer the thin bit to be part of the cable so that it's cheaper to replace if it breaks | 21:53 |
| diddledan_ | i.e. a lightning cable :-p | 21:53 |
| diddledan_ | I guess apple got there first and stamped a "nyer nyer" logo on the idea | 21:53 |
| diddledan_ | aka patent | 21:54 |
| daftykins | the pin part of HDMI looks pretty darn flimsy in the socket too, if you ever stare at one closely | 21:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | prior art still counts but no one wants to spend the dosh | 21:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | you're not meant to plug hdmi in and out every day. | 21:55 |
| daftykins | true, but still | 21:57 |
| diddledan_ | did nobody tell the EU that USB3.1 was coming when they decided to mandate that all phones use micro-usb connectors? | 21:58 |
| diddledan_ | they could have post-poned the decision and ensured future-proofing | 21:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | well the micro usb thing was started years before that wasn't it? | 21:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | and if they had waitied for ratification we'd already be eyeing the replacement before it was made law | 21:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | they need to reimplement/replace the 'standard' every 2-3 years | 22:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | and apple will ignore it | 22:00 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: bit of a blow isn't it :( i just got a bedside table, so if i put mains sockets in, i'd have originally picked standard USB, but now they'll need to be changed if phone chargers change! | 22:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | so some form of standard power extension cable then... :-) | 22:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | i do have 2-3 of them with usb sockets about the place | 22:02 |
| daftykins | i was gonna look into getting a two-gang wall socket plate with USB built in though, is what i mean | 22:02 |
| daftykins | oh right | 22:02 |
| daftykins | what ampage do they put out? | 22:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | 1 which for the apple set is a little low | 22:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | one of them is on 24 hour timer to turn on and charge a few devices for one hour a day | 22:04 |
| daftykins | 0o interesting plan | 22:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | so my olpc which i use irregularly is always ready to roll | 22:04 |
| daftykins | is the timer built in? | 22:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | nah, separate add on to the power extension is plugged into | 22:05 |
| daftykins | ah | 22:09 |
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| diddledan_ | http://phandroid.com/2014/08/15/ignore-no-more-app/ | 22:22 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 22:23 |
| daftykins | and now that handy page exists to find out how to remove it | 22:24 |
| daftykins | NICE! | 22:24 |
| diddledan_ | how abiout this one for funny, then? http://phandroid.com/2014/08/13/woman-steals-mans-phone-calls-911-after-he-wont-stop-harassing-her/ | 22:25 |
| daftykins | O_O | 22:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | well she assumed the cops would help the woman in distress long enough for her to get away | 22:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | it probably would work some of the time | 22:29 |
| daftykins | believe me i'd be the first to call out the crazy of listening to a 'vinyl rip' on youtube | 22:30 |
| daftykins | but - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2x3UNHNo1LA | 22:30 |
| daftykins | this is simply amazing. Blade Runner soundtrack | 22:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | i got some of vangelis's music from blade runner on cd. wonderful | 22:35 |
| daftykins | ooh | 22:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | and if you like vangelis you might like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz1cEO01LLc | 22:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | made without a synth | 22:38 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins, that's an hour long!1! | 22:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | and the best scene in a hacker movie is when a bank is robbed to this tune... :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZygIVDql8Bk | 22:45 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins, pretty good audio, tho | 22:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | people these days take vinyl very seriously | 22:46 |
| daftykins | i've still never heard a proper vinyl on a setup, let alone one i can make comparisons with | 22:47 |
| diddledan_ | the audio is running at roughly 1MB/min | 22:47 |
| daftykins | i presently believe it's mostly in peoples minds | 22:48 |
| diddledan_ | that's 16Kbyte/s or ~120Kbit/s | 22:49 |
| * zmoylan-pi wonders how much was paid for the setup in the blade runner vinyl video | 22:49 | |
| daftykins | is that with the 720p version diddledan_ ? :D | 22:50 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: i wondered too | 22:50 |
| diddledan_ | it seems to be the 360 version | 22:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | i remember in a book on douglas adams where he admitted to paying for a stereo setup about as much as you could pay for a house in some parts | 22:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | not a pop down to the hifi store and pick up a new deck | 22:51 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: i think it's said audio quality on YT goes up as you set the video, rather oddly | 22:52 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: :D rings a bell | 22:52 |
| daftykins | my cat is going nuts over the snipped-off ends from cable ties | 22:52 |
| daftykins | lol | 22:52 |
| diddledan_ | appears roughly the same on a 720 stream | 22:53 |
| daftykins | not sure if i linked this already but i put in a new table today for my AV gear | 22:53 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gjqwx8bztjpek09/AADRQlfdtPl83pOCGuPOsL8ya | 22:53 |
| diddledan_ | ooh, that's pretty | 22:54 |
| diddledan_ | I love how a tv used to be "one plug" and now it's "you need more than that, matey" | 22:54 |
| diddledan_ | same with PCs | 22:55 |
| diddledan_ | I've got a shedload of sockets and can never find a free one | 22:55 |
| diddledan_ | I'm sure some of them just have a plug in which isn't connected to anything | 22:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | and remotes... | 22:57 |
| diddledan_ | what do you do with xbmc? (I use my chromecast instead of an xbmc box these days) | 22:57 |
| diddledan_ | oh, remotes! | 22:57 |
| diddledan_ | remotes are the devil's business | 22:57 |
| diddledan_ | idle hands randomly punch buttons on the remote while you're watching something! | 22:58 |
| diddledan_ | I do that all the time with my own remote | 22:58 |
| diddledan_ | I sit there watching something and then my finger decides I want to watch something else | 22:58 |
| diddledan_ | problem is I feel I have to hold the remote in case a loud bit comes along and I need to quieten it down for fear of waking the neighbour | 22:59 |
| daftykins | hehe, thankfully my amp and TV are clever so the TV's audio gets sent over the single monitor feed HDMI | 23:00 |
| daftykins | (if i use something TV native like the smart apps, e.g. iPlayer) | 23:00 |
| daftykins | XBMC i tend to just play TV and film over the LAN from my file server upstairs | 23:01 |
| daftykins | lately i've been watching a friends twitch.tv game stream from his PS4 some nights too though :) | 23:01 |
| daftykins | that blade runner vid is currently playing too | 23:01 |
| daftykins | i have this firefox add-on to send YT links to the HTPC to play | 23:01 |
| daftykins | though it crashes XBMC about 4 in 5 times =| | 23:01 |
| daftykins | (old version) need to get around to upgrading | 23:02 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 23:02 |
| diddledan_ | I've got an old nvidia-ion-based aspire revo I should look at doing something with | 23:02 |
| daftykins | that's what this is practically | 23:03 |
| daftykins | atom 330 and ion 1 :) | 23:03 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uygo5tafy0xopgp/AABETB3cQ3sIvZTxJhg9ep-7a | 23:03 |
| daftykins | i'd love to move up to something quieter | 23:03 |
| diddledan_ | that revo was the bee's whiskered wotsits when it came out for tv use, but cheaper arm-based things are trumping it these days I guess | 23:04 |
| diddledan_ | wasn't the ion the first low-power-mass-market chip capable of doing hardware video decoding? | 23:05 |
| diddledan_ | now we have the awesome raspi gfx chip | 23:05 |
| daftykins | heh i'd still much rather run this than a pi | 23:06 |
| daftykins | i'd say it probably was, yeah - nice little machines | 23:06 |
| daftykins | especially with the little 40GB Intel X25-V i have it paired up with | 23:06 |
| daftykins | makes the image loading instant in XBMC, so no ugly delays | 23:06 |
| daftykins | i can control it from my android phone of course :) look like a real poser by having it auto-pause a film when someone calls me | 23:07 |
| diddledan_ | the revo specifically (rather than a self-build jobbie) was impossible to get into (I broke it when I tried! :-p) | 23:07 |
| daftykins | or show my incoming texts up on-screen | 23:07 |
| diddledan_ | nice | 23:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | as long as no one is about if a risque one arrives | 23:07 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 23:07 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins doesn't get many of those unless I've figured out his new number ;-) | 23:08 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: haha, everyones on whatsapp really these days | 23:08 |
| daftykins | just a couple of friends and my dad who use bog-standard SMS | 23:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | not me \o/ | 23:08 |
| diddledan_ | yeah afaict nobody uses sms anymore | 23:09 |
| daftykins | it's not a bad thing :) | 23:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | my nokia dumbphone even came with whatsapp app | 23:09 |
| diddledan_ | which is probably why the networks have gone back to 1990s and bundled unlimited messages again | 23:09 |
| daftykins | a dumbphone with whatsapp O_O | 23:10 |
| diddledan_ | I remember my first contract phone included unlimited local-rate/intra-network calls in 1998 | 23:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's why facebook bought them, they have a huge place on non smartphones | 23:10 |
| diddledan_ | don't tell anybody I was 15 at the time ;-) | 23:10 |
| daftykins | ah, i had no idea they were off of iOS and android at all | 23:11 |
| diddledan_ | I'm sure my dad's credit score and my own have managed to get mixed up | 23:11 |
| daftykins | text has always been a bit cheeky really hasn't it, ultimately once a telco's infrastructure is up, it doesn't cost anything for texts | 23:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | facebook wants to add the next billion facebook users from places with no computers or smartphones | 23:11 |
| diddledan_ | just had this drop into my thingy: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_105601_52740671_pe_button/?docId=1000821793&ie=UTF8 | 23:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | just last week even ms released a dumbphone | 23:12 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi, I would expect that to be a remnant from pre-ms-nokia days | 23:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | no it seems to be an ms keep android out of their hands jobbie. even if it doesn't do internet | 23:14 |
| diddledan_ | is amazon saying it thinks I'm outside britain? | 23:15 |
| diddledan_ | the "EP" from that link says it's costing 1.99 | 23:16 |
| diddledan_ | amazon says in the email it should be freebie | 23:16 |
| diddledan_ | aah, you need to be logged-in | 23:17 |
| diddledan_ | brb, reboobing to OSX | 23:23 |
| diddledan_ | aaand, I'm back | 23:25 |
| diddledan_ | try again, diddledan_ | 23:31 |
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