[00:22] Azelphur: i have an account [00:22] i looked at it for the first time in months today actualy [00:22] it's ok [00:23] i'd like custom categories which a cursory glance doesn't find [00:42] dutchie: how does it work in terms of security? [01:00] Azelphur: you give them your online banking login details [01:00] presumably they then screenscrape it [01:01] yea, that worries me haha [01:01] I think it voids your insurance with the bank [01:01] probably [01:01] hell, that enacts a face slap from daftykins for that level of retardation [01:02] D: [01:02] until banks offer apis etc there's not really another way to do it [01:02] yea, that's silly [01:02] and i can't see that happening this decade [01:02] I wonder how a screen scraper works with banks that do 2fa [01:02] expect you have to turn that off [01:03] can you even turn it off? [01:03] I didn't realise it was optional [01:05] idk, mine doesn't offer it [01:05] i wouldn't be surprised if in the regs it says if you do that, all your money are belong to strangers [01:05] not for login at leas [01:05] t [01:05] yea [01:06] so annoying, the banks need proper APIs for this stuff [01:06] they do [01:06] but it's not exactly a fast moving industry [01:06] oh cool, where are they? [01:06] if they have APIs, I'll just write my own things. [01:06] i meant "they do need apis" [01:06] hehe [01:06] oh [01:07] :< [01:07] i wonder how hard it would actually be to set up a bank with apis etc [01:07] or whether the regs make it really hard [01:07] dutchie: very difficult, I know from the bitcoin side of things. [01:07] I've been approached by people wanting to build banks before [01:07] mm, i expected as much [01:07] it has a ~£100m entry point [01:07] jesus [01:08] and that's just fort he insurance [01:08] dutchie: I was just thinking whether you could emulate one of those 2fa boxes ;) [01:09] my immediate thought is "surely the point of them is you can't" [01:09] although i guess not [01:09] public key cryptography and all that [01:09] dutchie: nah, the point would be without the card and pin [01:09] which, in this scenario we have (yay!) [01:09] indeed [01:09] if push comes to shove you could clone the card and use lego mindstorms to enter the pin [01:09] haha [01:11] dutchie: looks like the company that made the readers has a library, haha [01:13] ^ I wonder how many watch lists I'm on now for the above conversation [01:14] they're like pokémon, gotta catch 'em all! [01:14] indeed [01:34] I can't see why you couldn't emulate devices for 2fa. like the stuff google etc use, that's a public algorithm [06:30] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:35] morning boys and girls. [14:29] hm strange [14:29] so my machine only boots if i select ubuntu advanced options and select an older kernel .23 [14:29] .30 and it just gets stuck in a loop:( [14:31] you say stuck in a loop - what do you mean? [14:31] basically says like bootsplash screen [ok] screen flashes then same thing [14:33] do you have any closed graphics drivers installed (nvidia or ati etc) [14:33] nope [14:34] ok, so you've got a regression, it needs reporting, and then to figure out what's going on [14:34] I'd try booting into the broken one, then boot into the working one and see if it managed to leave anything in the logs from the broken one [14:34] ok so reboot now [14:34] where would it write the logs to ? [14:35] . /var/log/? [14:35] yeh [14:35] kern.log or syslog or maybe Xorg.0.log from the previous boot [14:35] ok booting it now [14:38] 3.13.0-30-generic [14:38] its booted now [14:38] hmm [14:39] congratulations, you've got a heisenbug [14:39] so i should look at the boot logs and see why it failed before still [14:39] nod, if you're lucky [14:53] popey: Are you coming up here for xda dev conference next month? [15:27] Good morning peeps :) [15:27] * penguin42 yawns [15:33] morning bigcalm [15:51] penguin42: yes [15:52] penguin42: take it you'll be there? [15:53] popey: I was thinking of being, I see there's a discount rate for only #25 and it'll only take me a few mins to get there [15:54] nice! [15:54] would be super to finally meet [16:06] Are there any other subscription based television channel providers in the UK other than Sky and VirginMedia? Trying to see what our options are once we move house [16:06] hmm dont think so [16:06] bt vision? [16:06] hows that work?> [16:06] penguin42: does that require taking out BT broadband? [16:07] I think so [16:08] That's a bit pants then [16:08] I think we'll make do with freesat [16:09] * penguin42 just uses freeview [16:10] New house already has a satellite dish, so freesat will give us HD channels [16:14] house comes with a satellite dish? [16:15] penguin42: it's not a new build, it's new to us. Current (or previous) owners had satellite at some point. [16:16] I rather doubt that the owners are going to take the dish with them [16:20] bigcalm: From memory, Sky's satelite dish's go with the house anyway [16:21] But its very simple to connect cables to the dish, especially fi its already been upgraded in the last few years to have 4 outputs (Sky do it for Sky HD, multiroom etc) [16:22] s/fi/if/ [16:23] When we moved in, we had an old white sky dish on the side of the house, we've never had an issue with sky & kept up a subscription since we moved in, at some point when we upgraded toHD or multiroom, Sky replaced the dish for one of the mesh ones as well [16:23] DJones: if memory serves me correctly, I think it has 4 outputs. Only 2 in use to the sittingroom. So would make use of the other two to the bedroom [16:45] bigcalm: Yep (if its been upgraded for HD), we use 2 for HD into the living room, one for SD to the conservatory using a Freesat from Sky card and one for SD to the bedroom using Multiroom [16:46] Cables for the bedroom & conservatory I fitted myself using cable from maplin [17:10] pwd [17:11] ooops [17:14] DJones: single single cables to the two main bedrooms sounds like a good idea to me! [17:14] bigcalm: Yeah, very easy, just screw thread connectors [17:15] Hey its a MooDoo Hows the new job going [17:21] Sheesh, Rupert Murdoc on twitter "NSA privacy invasion bad, but nothing compared to Google." Erm, What, Who owns the Sun & News of the World, why aren't you in jail [17:22] I believe nobody forces people to sign up for Google services or to use their search engine, even [17:22] NSA/GHCQ aren't opt-outable except by moving to ... well. [17:22] Myrtti: exactly, [17:24] I have no problem with the NSA/GCHQ reading my google account with all its ubuntu-uk mailing list emails [17:24] using email is a bit fatalistic anyway [17:24] unless you use PGP on everything [17:27] Does anyone know that website that you can put someones email into and it sends them an abnoxious email about using the BCC field? [17:27] I can't seem to find it xD [17:28] Isn't that azelphur.com ? [17:28] lol [17:35] meh, I just sent them http://www.pleaselearntherules.com/ [17:38] A few weeks back, I had emails returned saying I wasn't replying, just returning the email, after about 6 emails, I pointed out that I was replying at the bottom of the relevant email,, they came back and said that it was wierd, nobody ever did that. Oddest thing was that I was emailing our IT/tech support contracter === marlinc_ is now known as marlinc === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === map is now known as Guest25744 [20:41] Anybody know how bitfolk compare to bytemark? [21:46] really? http://www.macrumors.com/2014/08/17/another-image-new-lightning-cable/ [21:46] no more schroedinger plugs? [21:47] mmm i saw that, it doesn't look very sturdy though [21:47] it doesn't does it [21:47] thing is when they say lightning, they just mean USB to lightning don't they? [21:47] it's quite misleading said like that [21:47] yeah they do [21:47] it's the usb end that's interesting this time [21:47] well i'm sure apple will have cheap replacements if they fail :-p [21:48] laaaaaawl ;) [21:48] zmoylan-pi, yeah £20 a pop [21:48] cheap if you don't mind dying [21:49] USB3.1 is going to replace USB connectors A and B in favour of a reversible thing soon, too [21:49] yeah i like the look of that [21:49] so instead of 3 attempts to plug in it'll only take 1, think of the time savinigs :-) [21:49] also 100W power and 10Gb [21:49] http://www.extremetech.com/computing/187882-reversible-usb-type-c-connector-finalized-devices-cables-and-adapters-coming-soon [21:49] indeed! [21:50] so for a next upgrade i'd wait for DDR4 and USB 3.1 :> [21:50] fingers crossed the eu then pushes for a standard laptop charger over usb 3 [21:50] indeed [21:50] and Apple opens up magsafe so all laptops use magsafe cables! [21:50] i'd also be happy if eu pushed for a standard ink cartridge or toner [21:51] the problem I have with both Type-B and the new C is that they have a really thin bit in the socket that can easily break off given the correct angle of force [21:51] well didn't a deep fat fryer use mag power dohickey before apple? [21:53] I think I'd prefer the thin bit to be part of the cable so that it's cheaper to replace if it breaks [21:53] i.e. a lightning cable :-p [21:53] I guess apple got there first and stamped a "nyer nyer" logo on the idea [21:54] aka patent [21:54] the pin part of HDMI looks pretty darn flimsy in the socket too, if you ever stare at one closely [21:55] prior art still counts but no one wants to spend the dosh [21:55] you're not meant to plug hdmi in and out every day. [21:57] true, but still [21:58] did nobody tell the EU that USB3.1 was coming when they decided to mandate that all phones use micro-usb connectors? [21:59] they could have post-poned the decision and ensured future-proofing [21:59] well the micro usb thing was started years before that wasn't it? [21:59] and if they had waitied for ratification we'd already be eyeing the replacement before it was made law [22:00] they need to reimplement/replace the 'standard' every 2-3 years [22:00] and apple will ignore it [22:00] diddledan_: bit of a blow isn't it :( i just got a bedside table, so if i put mains sockets in, i'd have originally picked standard USB, but now they'll need to be changed if phone chargers change! [22:01] so some form of standard power extension cable then... :-) [22:02] i do have 2-3 of them with usb sockets about the place [22:02] i was gonna look into getting a two-gang wall socket plate with USB built in though, is what i mean [22:02] oh right [22:02] what ampage do they put out? [22:02] 1 which for the apple set is a little low [22:04] one of them is on 24 hour timer to turn on and charge a few devices for one hour a day [22:04] 0o interesting plan [22:04] so my olpc which i use irregularly is always ready to roll [22:04] is the timer built in? [22:05] nah, separate add on to the power extension is plugged into [22:09] ah === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [22:22] http://phandroid.com/2014/08/15/ignore-no-more-app/ [22:23] hahaha [22:24] and now that handy page exists to find out how to remove it [22:24] NICE! [22:25] how abiout this one for funny, then? http://phandroid.com/2014/08/13/woman-steals-mans-phone-calls-911-after-he-wont-stop-harassing-her/ [22:28] O_O [22:29] well she assumed the cops would help the woman in distress long enough for her to get away [22:29] it probably would work some of the time [22:30] believe me i'd be the first to call out the crazy of listening to a 'vinyl rip' on youtube [22:30] but - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2x3UNHNo1LA [22:31] this is simply amazing. Blade Runner soundtrack [22:35] i got some of vangelis's music from blade runner on cd. wonderful [22:37] ooh [22:37] and if you like vangelis you might like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz1cEO01LLc [22:38] made without a synth [22:45] daftykins, that's an hour long!1! [22:45] and the best scene in a hacker movie is when a bank is robbed to this tune... :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZygIVDql8Bk [22:46] daftykins, pretty good audio, tho [22:46] people these days take vinyl very seriously [22:47] i've still never heard a proper vinyl on a setup, let alone one i can make comparisons with [22:47] the audio is running at roughly 1MB/min [22:48] i presently believe it's mostly in peoples minds [22:49] that's 16Kbyte/s or ~120Kbit/s [22:49] * zmoylan-pi wonders how much was paid for the setup in the blade runner vinyl video [22:50] is that with the 720p version diddledan_ ? :D [22:50] zmoylan-pi: i wondered too [22:50] it seems to be the 360 version [22:50] i remember in a book on douglas adams where he admitted to paying for a stereo setup about as much as you could pay for a house in some parts [22:51] not a pop down to the hifi store and pick up a new deck [22:52] diddledan_: i think it's said audio quality on YT goes up as you set the video, rather oddly [22:52] zmoylan-pi: :D rings a bell [22:52] my cat is going nuts over the snipped-off ends from cable ties [22:52] lol [22:53] appears roughly the same on a 720 stream [22:53] not sure if i linked this already but i put in a new table today for my AV gear [22:53] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gjqwx8bztjpek09/AADRQlfdtPl83pOCGuPOsL8ya [22:54] ooh, that's pretty [22:54] I love how a tv used to be "one plug" and now it's "you need more than that, matey" [22:55] same with PCs [22:55] I've got a shedload of sockets and can never find a free one [22:55] I'm sure some of them just have a plug in which isn't connected to anything [22:57] and remotes... [22:57] what do you do with xbmc? (I use my chromecast instead of an xbmc box these days) [22:57] oh, remotes! [22:57] remotes are the devil's business [22:58] idle hands randomly punch buttons on the remote while you're watching something! [22:58] I do that all the time with my own remote [22:58] I sit there watching something and then my finger decides I want to watch something else [22:59] problem is I feel I have to hold the remote in case a loud bit comes along and I need to quieten it down for fear of waking the neighbour [23:00] hehe, thankfully my amp and TV are clever so the TV's audio gets sent over the single monitor feed HDMI [23:00] (if i use something TV native like the smart apps, e.g. iPlayer) [23:01] XBMC i tend to just play TV and film over the LAN from my file server upstairs [23:01] lately i've been watching a friends twitch.tv game stream from his PS4 some nights too though :) [23:01] that blade runner vid is currently playing too [23:01] i have this firefox add-on to send YT links to the HTPC to play [23:01] though it crashes XBMC about 4 in 5 times =| [23:02] (old version) need to get around to upgrading [23:02] lol [23:02] I've got an old nvidia-ion-based aspire revo I should look at doing something with [23:03] that's what this is practically [23:03] atom 330 and ion 1 :) [23:03] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uygo5tafy0xopgp/AABETB3cQ3sIvZTxJhg9ep-7a [23:03] i'd love to move up to something quieter [23:04] that revo was the bee's whiskered wotsits when it came out for tv use, but cheaper arm-based things are trumping it these days I guess [23:05] wasn't the ion the first low-power-mass-market chip capable of doing hardware video decoding? [23:05] now we have the awesome raspi gfx chip [23:06] heh i'd still much rather run this than a pi [23:06] i'd say it probably was, yeah - nice little machines [23:06] especially with the little 40GB Intel X25-V i have it paired up with [23:06] makes the image loading instant in XBMC, so no ugly delays [23:07] i can control it from my android phone of course :) look like a real poser by having it auto-pause a film when someone calls me [23:07] the revo specifically (rather than a self-build jobbie) was impossible to get into (I broke it when I tried! :-p) [23:07] or show my incoming texts up on-screen [23:07] nice [23:07] as long as no one is about if a risque one arrives [23:07] lol [23:08] daftykins doesn't get many of those unless I've figured out his new number ;-) [23:08] zmoylan-pi: haha, everyones on whatsapp really these days [23:08] just a couple of friends and my dad who use bog-standard SMS [23:08] not me \o/ [23:09] yeah afaict nobody uses sms anymore [23:09] it's not a bad thing :) [23:09] my nokia dumbphone even came with whatsapp app [23:09] which is probably why the networks have gone back to 1990s and bundled unlimited messages again [23:10] a dumbphone with whatsapp O_O [23:10] I remember my first contract phone included unlimited local-rate/intra-network calls in 1998 [23:10] that's why facebook bought them, they have a huge place on non smartphones [23:10] don't tell anybody I was 15 at the time ;-) [23:11] ah, i had no idea they were off of iOS and android at all [23:11] I'm sure my dad's credit score and my own have managed to get mixed up [23:11] text has always been a bit cheeky really hasn't it, ultimately once a telco's infrastructure is up, it doesn't cost anything for texts [23:11] facebook wants to add the next billion facebook users from places with no computers or smartphones [23:12] just had this drop into my thingy: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_105601_52740671_pe_button/?docId=1000821793&ie=UTF8 [23:12] just last week even ms released a dumbphone [23:13] zmoylan-pi, I would expect that to be a remnant from pre-ms-nokia days [23:14] no it seems to be an ms keep android out of their hands jobbie. even if it doesn't do internet [23:15] is amazon saying it thinks I'm outside britain? [23:16] the "EP" from that link says it's costing 1.99 [23:16] amazon says in the email it should be freebie [23:17] aah, you need to be logged-in [23:23] brb, reboobing to OSX [23:25] aaand, I'm back [23:31] try again, diddledan_ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away