[00:22] <dutchie> Azelphur: i have an account
[00:22] <dutchie> i looked at it for the first time in months today actualy
[00:22] <dutchie> it's ok
[00:23] <dutchie> i'd like custom categories which a cursory glance doesn't find
[00:42] <Azelphur> dutchie: how does it work in terms of security?
[01:00] <dutchie> Azelphur: you give them your online banking login details
[01:00] <dutchie> presumably they then screenscrape it
[01:01] <Azelphur> yea, that worries me haha
[01:01] <Azelphur> I think it voids your insurance with the bank
[01:01] <dutchie> probably
[01:01] <daftykins> hell, that enacts a face slap from daftykins for that level of retardation
[01:02] <daftykins> D:
[01:02] <dutchie> until banks offer apis etc there's not really another way to do it
[01:02] <Azelphur> yea, that's silly
[01:02] <dutchie> and i can't see that happening this decade
[01:02] <Azelphur> I wonder how a screen scraper works with banks that do 2fa
[01:02] <dutchie> expect you have to turn that off
[01:03] <Azelphur> can you even turn it off?
[01:03] <Azelphur> I didn't realise it was optional
[01:05] <dutchie> idk, mine doesn't offer it
[01:05] <daftykins> i wouldn't be surprised if in the regs it says if you do that, all your money are belong to strangers
[01:05] <dutchie> not for login at leas
[01:05] <dutchie> t
[01:05] <Azelphur> yea
[01:06] <Azelphur> so annoying, the banks need proper APIs for this stuff
[01:06] <dutchie> they do
[01:06] <dutchie> but it's not exactly a fast moving industry
[01:06] <Azelphur> oh cool, where are they?
[01:06] <Azelphur> if they have APIs, I'll just write my own things.
[01:06] <dutchie> i meant "they do need apis"
[01:06] <dutchie> hehe
[01:06] <Azelphur> oh
[01:07] <Azelphur> :<
[01:07] <dutchie> i wonder how hard it would actually be to set up a bank with apis etc
[01:07] <dutchie> or whether the regs make it really hard
[01:07] <Azelphur> dutchie: very difficult, I know from the bitcoin side of things.
[01:07] <Azelphur> I've been approached by people wanting to build banks before
[01:07] <dutchie> mm, i expected as much
[01:07] <Azelphur> it has a ~£100m entry point
[01:07] <dutchie> jesus
[01:08] <Azelphur> and that's just fort he insurance
[01:08] <Azelphur> dutchie: I was just thinking whether you could emulate one of those 2fa boxes ;)
[01:09] <dutchie> my immediate thought is "surely the point of them is you can't"
[01:09] <dutchie> although i guess not
[01:09] <dutchie> public key cryptography and all that
[01:09] <Azelphur> dutchie: nah, the point would be without the card and pin
[01:09] <Azelphur> which, in this scenario we have (yay!)
[01:09] <dutchie> indeed
[01:09] <Azelphur> if push comes to shove you could clone the card and use lego mindstorms to enter the pin
[01:09] <Azelphur> haha
[01:11] <Azelphur> dutchie: looks like the company that made the readers has a library, haha
[01:13] <Azelphur> ^ I wonder how many watch lists I'm on now for the above conversation
[01:14] <daftykins> they're like pokémon, gotta catch 'em all!
[01:14] <Azelphur> indeed
[01:34] <shauno> I can't see why you couldn't emulate devices for 2fa.  like the stuff google etc use, that's a public algorithm
[06:30] <mapps> morning
[09:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[14:29] <mapps> hm strange
[14:29] <mapps> so my machine only boots if i select ubuntu advanced options and select an older kernel .23
[14:29] <mapps> .30 and it just gets stuck in a loop:(
[14:31] <penguin42> you say stuck in a loop - what do you mean?
[14:31] <mapps> basically says like bootsplash screen [ok] screen flashes then same thing
[14:33] <penguin42> do you have any closed graphics drivers installed (nvidia or ati etc)
[14:33] <mapps> nope
[14:34] <penguin42> ok, so you've got a regression, it needs reporting, and then to figure out what's going on
[14:34] <penguin42> I'd try booting into the broken one, then boot into the working one and see if it managed to leave anything in the logs from the broken one
[14:34] <mapps> ok so reboot now
[14:34] <mapps> where would it write the logs to ?
[14:35] <mapps> . /var/log/?
[14:35] <penguin42> yeh
[14:35] <penguin42> kern.log or syslog or maybe Xorg.0.log from the previous boot
[14:35] <mapps> ok booting it now
[14:38] <mapps> 3.13.0-30-generic
[14:38] <mapps> its booted now
[14:38] <mapps> hmm
[14:39] <penguin42> congratulations, you've got a heisenbug
[14:39] <mapps> so i should look at the boot logs and see why it failed before still
[14:39] <penguin42> nod, if you're lucky
[14:53] <penguin42> popey: Are you coming up here for xda dev conference next month?
[15:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:27]  * penguin42 yawns
[15:33] <mapps> morning bigcalm
[15:51] <popey> penguin42: yes
[15:52] <popey> penguin42: take it you'll be there?
[15:53] <penguin42> popey: I was thinking of being, I see there's a discount rate for only #25 and it'll only take me a few mins to get there
[15:54] <popey> nice!
[15:54] <popey> would be super to finally meet
[16:06] <bigcalm> Are there any other subscription based television channel providers in the UK other than Sky and VirginMedia? Trying to see what our options are once we move house
[16:06] <mapps> hmm dont think so
[16:06] <penguin42> bt vision?
[16:06] <mapps> hows that work?>
[16:06] <bigcalm> penguin42: does that require taking out BT broadband?
[16:07] <penguin42> I think so
[16:08] <bigcalm> That's a bit pants then
[16:08] <bigcalm> I think we'll make do with freesat
[16:09]  * penguin42 just uses freeview
[16:10] <bigcalm> New house already has a satellite dish, so freesat will give us HD channels
[16:14] <penguin42> house comes with a satellite dish?
[16:15] <bigcalm> penguin42: it's not a new build, it's new to us. Current (or previous) owners had satellite at some point.
[16:16] <bigcalm> I rather doubt that the owners are going to take the dish with them
[16:20] <DJones> bigcalm: From memory, Sky's satelite dish's go with the house anyway
[16:21] <DJones> But its very simple to connect cables to the dish, especially fi its already been upgraded in the last few years to have 4 outputs (Sky do it for Sky HD, multiroom etc)
[16:22] <DJones> s/fi/if/
[16:23] <DJones> When we moved in, we had an old white sky dish on the side of the house, we've never had an issue with sky & kept up a subscription since we moved in, at some point when we upgraded toHD or multiroom, Sky replaced the dish for one of the mesh ones as well
[16:23] <bigcalm> DJones: if memory serves me correctly, I think it has 4 outputs. Only 2 in use to the sittingroom. So would make use of the other two to the bedroom
[16:45] <DJones> bigcalm: Yep (if its been upgraded for HD), we use 2 for HD into the living room, one for SD to the conservatory using a Freesat from Sky card and one for SD to the bedroom using Multiroom
[16:46] <DJones> Cables for the bedroom & conservatory I fitted myself using cable from maplin
[17:10] <MooDoo> pwd
[17:11] <MooDoo> ooops
[17:14] <bigcalm> DJones: single single cables to the two main bedrooms sounds like a good idea to me!
[17:14] <DJones> bigcalm: Yeah, very easy, just screw thread connectors
[17:15] <DJones> Hey its a MooDoo Hows the new job going
[17:21] <DJones> Sheesh, Rupert Murdoc on twitter "NSA privacy invasion bad, but nothing compared to Google." Erm, What, Who owns the Sun & News of the World, why aren't you in jail
[17:22] <Myrtti> I believe nobody forces people to sign up for Google services or to use their search engine, even
[17:22] <Myrtti> NSA/GHCQ aren't opt-outable except by moving to ... well.
[17:22] <DJones> Myrtti: exactly,
[17:24] <DJones> I have no problem with the NSA/GCHQ reading my google account with all its ubuntu-uk mailing list emails
[17:24] <Myrtti> using email is a bit fatalistic anyway
[17:24] <Myrtti> unless you use PGP on everything
[17:27] <Azelphur> Does anyone know that website that you can put someones email into and it sends them an abnoxious email about using the BCC field?
[17:27] <Azelphur> I can't seem to find it xD
[17:28] <DJones> Isn't that azelphur.com ?
[17:28] <Azelphur> lol
[17:35] <Azelphur> meh, I just sent them http://www.pleaselearntherules.com/
[17:38] <DJones> A few weeks back, I had emails returned saying I wasn't replying, just returning the email, after about 6 emails, I pointed out that I was replying at the bottom of the relevant email,, they came back and said that it was wierd, nobody ever did that. Oddest thing was that I was emailing our IT/tech support contracter
[20:41] <bigcalm> Anybody know how bitfolk compare to bytemark?
[21:46] <diddledan_> really? http://www.macrumors.com/2014/08/17/another-image-new-lightning-cable/
[21:46] <diddledan_> no more schroedinger plugs?
[21:47] <daftykins> mmm i saw that, it doesn't look very sturdy though
[21:47] <diddledan_> it doesn't does it
[21:47] <daftykins> thing is when they say lightning, they just mean USB to lightning don't they?
[21:47] <daftykins> it's quite misleading said like that
[21:47] <diddledan_> yeah they do
[21:47] <diddledan_> it's the usb end that's interesting this time
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> well i'm sure apple will have cheap replacements if they fail :-p
[21:48] <daftykins> laaaaaawl ;)
[21:48] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi, yeah £20 a pop
[21:48] <daftykins> cheap if you don't mind dying
[21:49] <diddledan_> USB3.1 is going to replace USB connectors A and B in favour of a reversible thing soon, too
[21:49] <daftykins> yeah i like the look of that
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> so instead of 3 attempts to plug in it'll only take 1, think of the time savinigs :-)
[21:49] <daftykins> also 100W power and 10Gb
[21:49] <diddledan_> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/187882-reversible-usb-type-c-connector-finalized-devices-cables-and-adapters-coming-soon
[21:49] <daftykins> indeed!
[21:50] <daftykins> so for a next upgrade i'd wait for DDR4 and USB 3.1 :>
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed the eu then pushes for a standard laptop charger over usb 3
[21:50] <daftykins> indeed
[21:50] <daftykins> and Apple opens up magsafe so all laptops use magsafe cables!
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> i'd also be happy if eu pushed for a standard ink cartridge or toner
[21:51] <diddledan_> the problem I have with both Type-B and the new C is that they have a really thin bit in the socket that can easily break off given the correct angle of force
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> well didn't a deep fat fryer use mag power dohickey before apple?
[21:53] <diddledan_> I think I'd prefer the thin bit to be part of the cable so that it's cheaper to replace if it breaks
[21:53] <diddledan_> i.e. a lightning cable :-p
[21:53] <diddledan_> I guess apple got there first and stamped a "nyer nyer" logo on the idea
[21:54] <diddledan_> aka patent
[21:54] <daftykins> the pin part of HDMI looks pretty darn flimsy in the socket too, if you ever stare at one closely
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> prior art still counts but no one wants to spend the dosh
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> you're not meant to plug hdmi in and out every day.
[21:57] <daftykins> true, but still
[21:58] <diddledan_> did nobody tell the EU that USB3.1 was coming when they decided to mandate that all phones use micro-usb connectors?
[21:59] <diddledan_> they could have post-poned the decision and ensured future-proofing
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> well the micro usb thing was started years before that wasn't it?
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> and if they had waitied for ratification we'd already be eyeing the replacement before it was made law
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> they need to reimplement/replace the 'standard' every 2-3 years
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> and apple will ignore it
[22:00] <daftykins> diddledan_: bit of a blow isn't it :( i just got a bedside table, so if i put mains sockets in, i'd have originally picked standard USB, but now they'll need to be changed if phone chargers change!
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> so some form of standard power extension cable then... :-)
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> i do have 2-3 of them with usb sockets about the place
[22:02] <daftykins> i was gonna look into getting a two-gang wall socket plate with USB built in though, is what i mean
[22:02] <daftykins> oh right
[22:02] <daftykins> what ampage do they put out?
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> 1 which for the apple set is a little low
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> one of them is on 24 hour timer to turn on and charge a few devices for one hour a day
[22:04] <daftykins> 0o interesting plan
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> so my olpc which i use irregularly is always ready to roll
[22:04] <daftykins> is the timer built in?
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> nah, separate add on to the power extension is plugged into
[22:09] <daftykins> ah
[22:22] <diddledan_> http://phandroid.com/2014/08/15/ignore-no-more-app/
[22:23] <daftykins> hahaha
[22:24] <daftykins> and now that handy page exists to find out how to remove it
[22:24] <daftykins> NICE!
[22:25] <diddledan_> how abiout this one for funny, then? http://phandroid.com/2014/08/13/woman-steals-mans-phone-calls-911-after-he-wont-stop-harassing-her/
[22:28] <daftykins> O_O
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> well she assumed the cops would help the woman in distress long enough for her to get away
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> it probably would work some of the time
[22:30] <daftykins> believe me i'd be the first to call out the crazy of listening to a 'vinyl rip' on youtube
[22:30] <daftykins> but - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2x3UNHNo1LA
[22:31] <daftykins> this is simply amazing. Blade Runner soundtrack
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> i got some of vangelis's music from blade runner on cd.  wonderful
[22:37] <daftykins> ooh
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> and if you like vangelis you might like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz1cEO01LLc
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> made without a synth
[22:45] <diddledan_> daftykins, that's an hour long!1!
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> and the best scene in a hacker movie is when a bank is robbed to this tune... :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZygIVDql8Bk
[22:46] <diddledan_> daftykins, pretty good audio, tho
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> people these days take vinyl very seriously
[22:47] <daftykins> i've still never heard a proper vinyl on a setup, let alone one i can make comparisons with
[22:47] <diddledan_> the audio is running at roughly 1MB/min
[22:48] <daftykins> i presently believe it's mostly in peoples minds
[22:49] <diddledan_> that's 16Kbyte/s or ~120Kbit/s
[22:49]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how much was paid for the setup in the blade runner vinyl video
[22:50] <daftykins> is that with the 720p version diddledan_ ? :D
[22:50] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i wondered too
[22:50] <diddledan_> it seems to be the 360 version
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> i remember in a book on douglas adams where he admitted to paying for a stereo setup about as much as you could pay for a house in some parts
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> not a pop down to the hifi store and pick up a new deck
[22:52] <daftykins> diddledan_: i think it's said audio quality on YT goes up as you set the video, rather oddly
[22:52] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: :D rings a bell
[22:52] <daftykins> my cat is going nuts over the snipped-off ends from cable ties
[22:52] <daftykins> lol
[22:53] <diddledan_> appears roughly the same on a 720 stream
[22:53] <daftykins> not sure if i linked this already but i put in a new table today for my AV gear
[22:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gjqwx8bztjpek09/AADRQlfdtPl83pOCGuPOsL8ya
[22:54] <diddledan_> ooh, that's pretty
[22:54] <diddledan_> I love how a tv used to be "one plug" and now it's "you need more than that, matey"
[22:55] <diddledan_> same with PCs
[22:55] <diddledan_> I've got a shedload of sockets and can never find a free one
[22:55] <diddledan_> I'm sure some of them just have a plug in which isn't connected to anything
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> and remotes...
[22:57] <diddledan_> what do you do with xbmc? (I use my chromecast instead of an xbmc box these days)
[22:57] <diddledan_> oh, remotes!
[22:57] <diddledan_> remotes are the devil's business
[22:58] <diddledan_> idle hands randomly punch buttons on the remote while you're watching something!
[22:58] <diddledan_> I do that all the time with my own remote
[22:58] <diddledan_> I sit there watching something and then my finger decides I want to watch something else
[22:59] <diddledan_> problem is I feel I have to hold the remote in case a loud bit comes along and I need to quieten it down for fear of waking the neighbour
[23:00] <daftykins> hehe, thankfully my amp and TV are clever so the TV's audio gets sent over the single monitor feed HDMI
[23:00] <daftykins> (if i use something TV native like the smart apps, e.g. iPlayer)
[23:01] <daftykins> XBMC i tend to just play TV and film over the LAN from my file server upstairs
[23:01] <daftykins> lately i've been watching a friends twitch.tv game stream from his PS4 some nights too though :)
[23:01] <daftykins> that blade runner vid is currently playing too
[23:01] <daftykins> i have this firefox add-on to send YT links to the HTPC to play
[23:01] <daftykins> though it crashes XBMC about 4 in 5 times =|
[23:02] <daftykins> (old version) need to get around to upgrading
[23:02] <diddledan_> lol
[23:02] <diddledan_> I've got an old nvidia-ion-based aspire revo I should look at doing something with
[23:03] <daftykins> that's what this is practically
[23:03] <daftykins> atom 330 and ion 1 :)
[23:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uygo5tafy0xopgp/AABETB3cQ3sIvZTxJhg9ep-7a
[23:03] <daftykins> i'd love to move up to something quieter
[23:04] <diddledan_> that revo was the bee's whiskered wotsits when it came out for tv use, but cheaper arm-based things are trumping it these days I guess
[23:05] <diddledan_> wasn't the ion the first low-power-mass-market chip capable of doing hardware video decoding?
[23:05] <diddledan_> now we have the awesome raspi gfx chip
[23:06] <daftykins> heh i'd still much rather run this than a pi
[23:06] <daftykins> i'd say it probably was, yeah - nice little machines
[23:06] <daftykins> especially with the little 40GB Intel X25-V i have it paired up with
[23:06] <daftykins> makes the image loading instant in XBMC, so no ugly delays
[23:07] <daftykins> i can control it from my android phone of course :) look like a real poser by having it auto-pause a film when someone calls me
[23:07] <diddledan_> the revo specifically (rather than a self-build jobbie) was impossible to get into (I broke it when I tried! :-p)
[23:07] <daftykins> or show my incoming texts up on-screen
[23:07] <diddledan_> nice
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> as long as no one is about if a risque one arrives
[23:07] <diddledan_> lol
[23:08] <diddledan_> daftykins doesn't get many of those unless I've figured out his new number ;-)
[23:08] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: haha, everyones on whatsapp really these days
[23:08] <daftykins> just a couple of friends and my dad who use bog-standard SMS
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> not me \o/
[23:09] <diddledan_> yeah afaict nobody uses sms anymore
[23:09] <daftykins> it's not a bad thing :)
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> my nokia dumbphone even came with whatsapp app
[23:09] <diddledan_> which is probably why the networks have gone back to 1990s and bundled unlimited messages again
[23:10] <daftykins> a dumbphone with whatsapp O_O
[23:10] <diddledan_> I remember my first contract phone included unlimited local-rate/intra-network calls in 1998
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> that's why facebook bought them, they have a huge place on non smartphones
[23:10] <diddledan_> don't tell anybody I was 15 at the time ;-)
[23:11] <daftykins> ah, i had no idea they were off of iOS and android at all
[23:11] <diddledan_> I'm sure my dad's credit score and my own have managed to get mixed up
[23:11] <daftykins> text has always been a bit cheeky really hasn't it, ultimately once a telco's infrastructure is up, it doesn't cost anything for texts
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> facebook wants to add the next billion facebook users from places with no computers or smartphones
[23:12] <diddledan_> just had this drop into my thingy: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_105601_52740671_pe_button/?docId=1000821793&ie=UTF8
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> just last week even ms released a dumbphone
[23:13] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi, I would expect that to be a remnant from pre-ms-nokia days
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> no it seems to be an ms keep android out of their hands jobbie.  even if it doesn't do internet
[23:15] <diddledan_> is amazon saying it thinks I'm outside britain?
[23:16] <diddledan_> the "EP" from that link says it's costing 1.99
[23:16] <diddledan_> amazon says in the email it should be freebie
[23:17] <diddledan_> aah, you need to be logged-in
[23:23] <diddledan_> brb, reboobing to OSX
[23:25] <diddledan_> aaand, I'm back
[23:31] <diddledan_> try again, diddledan_