[10:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: alive?
[10:13] <soee> hmm: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113355985619037607290/posts/MNbXTodNQTd
[10:14] <apachelogger> did I mention that no one actually SRUd my qapt fix?
[10:19] <Riddell> or your phonon update
[10:19]  * Riddell puts on the day's todo
[10:19] <kdeuser56> Riddell: got yesterday's pings?
[10:20] <kdeuser56> about the isos and virtualbox?
[10:21] <kdeuser56> soee: simple solution: use btrfs, snapshot you root filesystem before upgrading ... roll back if something goes wrong. nothing easier than that. besides that you can make apt-get do this automatically for you
[10:22] <soee> kdeuser56: its not my post :)
[10:22] <soee> though i think update to bugfixes versions on LTS shouldn't cause such problems
[10:22] <kdeuser56> soee: nobody knows what went wrong for him.
[10:23] <kdeuser56> does not mean others will suffer from that issue too
[10:24] <kdeuser56> soee: besides that he only says "updating". he did not specify how he updated, what ppas he had enabled etc.
[10:40] <kbroulik> any idea what happened to plasma 5 dbg packages in utopic? I cannot get a backtrace for any application, dr konqi shows useless backtraces and gdb says "the symbol file is truncated"
[10:44] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: do you have the ddebs repos enabled?
[10:44] <kbroulik> ddebs?
[10:44] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[10:44] <kbroulik> i suppose not, thanks for the hint :)
[10:45] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: read the section "Debug Symbol Packages"
[10:45] <kbroulik> thx! will check once I'm home again :)
[10:47] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: after you enabled that repo you can install a debug packe for any application like this "apt-get install packagename-dbg*"
[10:48] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: do not worry about both the dbg and the dbgsym package being installed, one of them will only be a link, as dbgsym packages are empty if an own dbg packages exists and will simply only link to the dbg package
[10:49] <kbroulik> okay
[10:51] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: if you still want to debug a crash that happened, /var/crash will likely contain the dump files, if apport is enabled
[10:52] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: apport-retrace -s -R /var/crash/<path-of-crashed-app> will get you the backtrace
[10:56] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: wait, I suppose the ddebs repo wont help here, since the kf5 / plasma 5 stuff comes from the kubuntu ppa, if I am not mistaken, sorry I am still on Plasma 1 /kdelibs 
[10:58] <kbroulik> yeah it's plasma 5
[11:01] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: if you are on utopic I suppose you are using this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[11:01] <kbroulik> yes
[11:03] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: are there -dbg package for that ppa?
[11:04] <kbroulik> in the list I dont see em but I have a kwin-dbg installed and given in 4 it's in kde-workspace it has to be 5 but no idea where it comes from and unfortunately I cannot check as in the office I'm also still on 4
[11:04] <kbroulik> [in the list behind the launchpad link you sent]
[11:06] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: that's the only thing I hate about *buntu: the debug package situation is simply a mess. ppas do not seem to create dbg packages automatically. dbgsym packages are a mess imho. etc. other distros handle this much better. 
[11:17] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: since I cannot boot the iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/ in virtualbox I can not test 
[11:18] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: I just tested the image from http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-latest.iso.mirrorlist though: here the dbg packages are available
[11:21] <kbroulik> hmm, will have to test more properly then at home. maybe I just overlooked something
[11:21] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: so on that iso I would simply do: "for package in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep "project-neon5-"); do sudo apt-get install -y "$package"-dbg; done
[11:24] <kdeuser56> kbroulik: sorry, here: http://paste.kde.org/pcampr8bt
[11:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: logs show me no qapt fix from you, any pointers?
[11:47] <apachelogger> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commit&h=48ca41c210c30e75817d7559cdf8bad7ceab141c
[11:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[11:49] <apachelogger> [dragonplayer] [Bug 338349] New: i lost my Dragon's Player Sound completely and without touch anythink!!! When install Kaffeine have the same problem or the one player had sound and the other no!!! With other players style, VLC etc not a problem!!!
[11:49] <apachelogger> good lord
[12:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you dealing with kstars?
[12:21]  * ScottK had ENOTIME.
[12:21] <ScottK> has too
[13:04] <soee_> hmm, iv inserted CD with photos from my client to my laptops dvd drive, now it does not load/mounts and i can't open it to remove cd .. :D
[13:05] <Riddell> ScottK: didn't doko say that kstars tests had fixed itself but kactivities still needed fixed?
[13:05] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:05] <ScottK> I just wrote it backwards.
[13:05] <ScottK> The kactivities one is the ABI checker exploading.
[13:06] <Riddell> there's an abi checker?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:07] <ScottK> Yes. Done by Debian.
[13:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's a good test case for the libqapt issue?
[13:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: install qtcreator, remove qtcreator -> will not be installed as can be confirmed by apt-get remove qtcreator
[13:39] <apachelogger> eh
[13:39] <apachelogger> *will not be uninstalled xD
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: it is uninstalled but the cache is complaining and apt -f install wants to reinstall it
[13:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah yes, it was removed, but since there was no dep resolution its deps/dependees were not so it is pulled in again to fix the package cache
[13:46] <Riddell> yep
[13:52] <Riddell> amichair: 
[13:52] <Riddell> um, sorry
[13:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: bad news, the issue doesn't fix itself in my upload to utopic
[13:53] <Riddell>  2.2.0-0ubuntu2 
[13:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: does it get fixed for you?
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, that doesn't look right
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: have I don't something wrong in the package?
[14:17] <apachelogger> god I hate this qtchooser shit
[14:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: I dunno yet
[14:18] <Riddell> :(
[14:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: got any test cases or obvious bugs you can put on bug 1358312 to help along phonon SRU?
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: tomahawk + rtsmp stream = doesn't play
[14:24] <Riddell> hmm, what's one of those?
[14:24] <apachelogger> a web stream
[14:24] <apachelogger> really hard to test though I think
[14:24] <apachelogger> seeing as tomahawk is collection based xD
[14:24] <Riddell> rtmp?
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah that one
[14:25] <apachelogger> I could write a simple demo showing the issue but meh :P
[14:30] <apachelogger> the qapt thing is weird
[14:30] <apachelogger> if I build 2.2 manually from git it fixes the issue your upload doesn't Oo
[14:30] <apachelogger> and the other changes in 2.2 don't affect dep resolution in the slightest
[14:31] <apachelogger> argh
[14:31] <apachelogger> lol
[14:31] <apachelogger> what
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: works for me
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: easier way to test: use muon to remove
[14:34] <apachelogger> the package manager gui has additional resolution logic that prevents changes when the root helper reports failed resolution
[14:50] <Riddell> "The "qtcreator" package could not be marked for installation or upgrade:"
[14:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: is that what you get when trying to remove qtcreator in muon?
[14:58] <Riddell> yes new version seems to fix that
[15:14] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1358291 for your SRU love
[15:14] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1358312 also for your SRU love
[15:21] <Riddell> !testers | KDE SC 4.14 for trusty and utopic in ninjas
[15:36] <soee> kdeconnect works with plasma5 ?
[15:37] <Riddell> not really it's a kded4 module
[15:37] <Riddell> you need to compile the frameworks 5 branch
[15:37] <soee> :|
[15:40] <soee> brb
[16:54] <Riddell> as an experiment I put out a post on twitter/facebook for testers for 4.14 SC, if anyone arrives do point them in the direction of ninjas
[16:59] <Riddell> afiestas says about kscreen frameworks 5 "you should package it"
[16:59] <Riddell> as it's the most requested feature I think that sounds like good advice
[17:37] <Odur> Riddell: About the post on G+. What needs to be tested?
[17:39] <Odur> Latest is in Kubuntu Backports, right?
[17:40] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yes, however taking the day off ...
[17:41] <shadeslayer_> my flight delayed by 5-6 hours
[17:44] <Mamarok> woah, from Amsterdam?
[17:44] <Mamarok> what are you flying?
[17:58] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: Vueling
[18:01] <Mamarok> never heard of, do they have decent planes?
[18:02] <Mamarok> only Airbus as it seems, why is there such a big delay?
[18:07] <shadeslayer_> yes, I've always preffered Vueling
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> but this time they had a 4 hour delay
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> though
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> I do not know why
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> and they were decent enough to provide food vouchers themselves
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> without us asking for them
[18:08]  * shadeslayer_ sent a email to vueling asking for a refund, let see
[18:09] <Mamarok> I think they are legaly obliged to, after more than a certain number of hours of delay
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> yeah, lets see, the person I spoke to at the airport said that I could get compensated for 250 EUR
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> "Finally, court cases (see below) have established that a passenger experiencing a loss of time equivalent to three hours or more at the final destination is entitled to compensation as though his flight had been cancelled."
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_261/2004#Delays
[18:14] <shadeslayer_> and I think AMS -> BCN is < 1500 KM
[18:15] <Mamarok> isn't it more?
[18:17] <shadeslayer_> https://www.google.es/flights/?hl=en&authuser=0#search;f=AMS;t=BCN;d=2014-09-03;r=2014-09-07
[18:17] <shadeslayer_> doesn't say
[18:19] <Mamarok> it's actually less, 1235.88 km
[18:19] <Mamarok> http://www.mapcrow.info/Distance_between_Amsterdam_NL_and_Barcelona_SP.html
[18:22] <shadeslayer_> right
[18:22] <shadeslayer_> so 250 is the max they can pay out I think
[18:22] <shadeslayer_> lets see
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> its > 1500 KM by road
[18:24] <shadeslayer_> my back
[18:24] <shadeslayer_> ahh
[18:24] <shadeslayer_> also
[18:24] <shadeslayer_> valorie: omg
[18:24] <shadeslayer_> valorie: omg
[18:24] <shadeslayer_> valorie: I finished the book
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> valorie: unanswered questions
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> halp
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> losing mind
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> s/finished/devoured , really
[18:25] <Mamarok> which book?
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: Shadow of the wind
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: valorie gave it to me at Randa
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> I haz devoured it whole
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> in 2 days
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> maybe you saw me reading it on the train
[18:26] <Mamarok> u should have read it in Spanish :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> hah
[18:27]  * shadeslayer_ is sad that they removed b43 from the linux-firware-nonfree package
[18:27] <shadeslayer_> screwed up my wifi it did
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> my bag smells of cheese
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> makes me hungry everytime I open it
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> and I already miss the food :(
[18:29]  * shadeslayer_ will probably order shitty pizza tonight
[20:09] <georgelappies> i will help with testing 4.14
[20:25] <shadeslayer_> meep meep
[20:48] <yofel> Odur: latest official is in backports, we have a private repository for our WIP stuff that was the new packages
[20:48] <yofel> *that has
[20:50] <Odur> Ok, so it's the version in the private repository you need testing? 
[21:01] <yofel> Odur: yes, do you have a launchpad account?
[21:01] <Odur> yofel: Yes
[21:01] <Odur> ~odur
[21:01] <yofel> id?
[21:01] <yofel> thanks
[21:02] <yofel> Odur: you should have mail
[21:03] <Odur> Ok
[21:04] <yofel> Odur: please note that we do keep WIP stuff in there, so either be careful if you keep it enabled or disable it after the testing is done until the next time.
[21:04] <Odur> yofel: Got it. I'll set it up tomorrow. It's getting a little late here
[21:05] <yofel> also, you'll need apt-transport-https and ca-certificates installed to use it
[21:05] <yofel> no problem :)
[21:13] <ahoneybun> hello
[21:17] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun 
[21:22] <ahoneybun> how are you Riddell ?
[21:24] <Riddell> muy bien
[21:24] <ahoneybun> thats good
[21:24] <Riddell> remember to test 4.14 in trusty and utopic
[21:24]  * Riddell snoozes
[21:24] <ahoneybun> well...
[21:24] <Riddell> ...?
[21:24] <ahoneybun> I've been testing the elementary beta for about a weel
[21:24] <ahoneybun> *week
[21:25] <ahoneybun> but I'm downloading the 14.04 iso right now
[21:31] <valorie> shadeslayer_: I have questions too!
[21:31] <valorie> you can always read it again, more slowly....
[21:37] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[21:41] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[21:41] <valorie> sorry, just stopping in for a min; gotta clean my dirty house
[21:44] <ahoneybun> np valorie 
[22:11] <allee> Riddell: can you have a look at bzr branch lp:~allee/kubuntu-packaging/digikam  
[22:12] <allee> Riddell: I can spend some time tomorrow to fix stuff.  So we get digikam in before the feature freeze on 21th
[22:52] <ahoneybun> kubuntu here I come!
[23:18] <soee> hiho
[23:26] <ahoneybun> Riddell: still here?
[23:30] <soee> someone can give ninjas ppa ?
[23:33] <valorie> !ninjas
[23:33] <valorie> haha
[23:33] <valorie> not much info
[23:34] <valorie> sorry about the pingall, ninjas -- that list could do with some updating
[23:35] <valorie> and the ninjanotes don't give a clue
[23:37] <ahoneybun> valorie: yea I don't really see a ppa to test 4.13
[23:37] <ahoneybun> *4.14
[23:42] <valorie> oh, there is
[23:42]  * valorie has 14 on the other laptop + next
[23:42] <valorie> should update it
[23:42] <valorie> I think it's an alpha, let me get the blogpost about it for ya
[23:43] <valorie> https://blogs.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5-here-all-ready-eat-your-babies
[23:44] <valorie> whether there is a utopic plain without next; dunno
[23:46] <soee> ok to time to go to bed
[23:47] <soee> su later :)
[23:51] <ahoneybun> hey valorie