[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[10:29] <benunter> ouais
[14:27] <dholbach> mhall119, hangout set up for later on and informed ubuntu-phone@ as well
[14:34] <mhall119> thanks dholbach
[14:36] <mhall119> dholbach: has bzoltan confirmed that he'll be there?
[14:36] <dholbach> mhall119, not on google calendar, but on IRC, when I asked him on Friday
[16:01] <mhall119> o/
[16:01] <beuno> o/
[16:03] <beuno> #buymhall119agoodheadset on twitter
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs beuno
[16:04] <dholbach> let's use http://pad.ubuntu.com/Ci248KWxmC for notes
[16:04] <mhall119> beuno: it's not the headset, it's the new hangout plugin
[16:04] <lool> v
[16:04] <mhall119> it sometimes ignores the fact that I'm muted
[16:04] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Click/Frameworks/UpdateProcess
[16:04] <mhall119> and carries sound across anyway
[16:07] <dholbach> any questions or suggestions from our audience?
[16:14] <DeV_noob> hello
[16:14] <mhall119> hi DeV_noob
[16:15] <DeV_noob> can i join this discussion?
[16:15] <DeV_noob> i got webcam already
[16:15] <DeV_noob> ?
[16:18] <nik90> QUESTION: For the clock app, we want to able to support RTM (14.10 framework) while at the same target the new upcoming frameworks 15.04. How can I do that without having multiple click package versions of the same app in the store? The 14.10 framework version will obviously only get bug fixes like SRUs while the the 15.04 framework will get new features
[16:18] <nik90> etc. This is not beta channel that I am referring to.
[16:18] <dholbach> DeV_noob, we're a bunch of people already ... could you let me know what your particular interest in the discussion is?
[16:20] <DeV_noob> ubuntu phone OS's wallpaer
[16:21] <mhall119> DeV_noob: is it related to the frameworks dicussion?
[16:21] <popey> nik90: beuno you will want to add new features before 15.04 is final though, won't you?
[16:21] <mhall119> this is a very targeted discussion, we want to stay on topic
[16:21] <dholbach> DeV_noob, I'm afraid that's not on our agenda - we're talking about the technical structure of the app framework right now
[16:21] <DeV_noob> hmm
[16:21] <popey> so you're going to want to update to 15.04 features in the clock app before 15.04 is final enough for those shipped devices
[16:21] <dholbach> DeV_noob, you could mail ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net about your request though
[16:21] <popey> so people wont have 15.04 on their shipped devices, because it's not ready yet
[16:22] <popey> but nik90 wants to target that new shiny, and that breaks people on 14.10
[16:22] <mhall119> popey: nik90: I think the current answer to that is to have separate apps in the store
[16:22] <mhall119> like we do now for clock and clock-reboot
[16:22] <popey> gah
[16:22] <popey> mess
[16:22] <beuno> or, future beta channel
[16:22] <mhall119> until beta support is in the store
[16:23] <mhall119> ^^
[16:23] <popey> that doesnt scale
[16:24] <nik90> I think the beta channel is the answer then
[16:24] <popey> right
[16:25] <popey> its not that "they can't use the features" it's that you ship an app which is actively _broken_ for people on 14.10
[16:25] <popey> (in this use case)
[16:25] <popey> i.e. won't start or some feature is broken
[16:25] <beuno> popey, you can't, becuause 14.10 won't see 15.04, right?
[16:26] <beuno> *you can't break
[16:26] <mhall119> popey: you would only be able to download an app if you have the frameworks it requires
[16:26] <popey> ok, but then anyone on 14.10 will no longer even _see_ the app in the store, it'll be uninstallable.
[16:26] <popey> which for a clock is a bit of a pain
[16:27] <beuno> popey, we could still show them the last version for that framework
[16:27] <beuno> we need to think about the ramifications
[16:27] <popey> yeah.
[16:27] <beuno> and yes
[16:27] <beuno> ultimately
[16:27] <popey> there neds to be a "last known good"
[16:27] <beuno> I don't think the 15.04 version should be in the store
[16:27] <beuno> other than the beta channel
[16:27] <beuno> I think developers need to care about the current framework
[16:27] <beuno> and put all the love there
[16:28] <DeV_noob> i think we should make a separate framework for kiosk framework
[16:28] <beuno> experiment with the future, but focus on what's currently on all devices
[16:29] <DeV_noob> mean kiosk computers
[16:30] <lool> click has lists of base versions of frameworks, but the frameworks are actually listed in the ubuntu-touch meta package as files
[16:30] <lool> and its dependencies pull in the content of frameworks
[16:31] <DeV_noob> that can make ubuntu go everywhere.. restaurants, malls, billing machines... all digital environments should benefit equal stability from ubuntu, isn't it?
[16:32] <mhall119> DeV_noob: that's possible already, but kind of tangential to this discussion
[16:32] <mhall119> the topic of this call is *how* we manage these different frameworks
[16:54] <dholbach> EVERYONE: sorry, my mic is auto-increasing the volume right now up to 11, so I can't really unmute myself
[16:54] <dholbach> we have 6 minutes left
[16:54] <dholbach> can we get to work items soon?
[16:56] <dholbach_> ... like figuring out from all api data consumers which data they need exactly
[16:56] <dholbach_> mhall119, lool: ^
[16:57] <mhall119> dholbach_: I'll bring it up
[16:58] <dholbach> thanks
[17:03] <dholbach> all right - thanks a lot everyone
[17:04] <dholbach> mhall119, sorry about and thanks for helping out
[17:04] <dholbach> for some reason the mic recording levels went up on their own all the time :-/
[17:04] <mhall119> no worries
[17:04] <dholbach> all rightie
[17:05] <dholbach> I'll drop everyone and email and we can have a follow up session - maybe it'll help if we write the agenda together after everyone did a little bit of research
[17:05] <dholbach> so we know what particularly to dive into next time
[17:06] <dholbach> I'm off, see you all tomorrow *hugs*
[17:06] <JamesTait> dholbach, o/
[17:19] <pleia2> jose: AirBot went a bit sideways, restarted and loaded classbot script, might want to poke and confirm all is well