=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [04:59] Hello [04:59] I have few basic queries.. [04:59] Please let me know the correct forum to ask these queries for ubuntu touch.. [05:00] http://askubuntu.com/questions/511259/porting-ubuntu-touch-filesystem [05:02] daker: I answered a specific question. It works fine on PC... === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [05:58] hi all [05:58] im looking to get ubuntu touch set up on a tablet and possibly a phone [05:58] any recommendations on what hardware to use? [05:58] hi everyone [05:58] something that wont break the bank [05:59] my nexus 4 arrived today and the developer version went on straight away [05:59] wow... just wow [05:59] can you actually call with it and use it like a regular phone? [05:59] phone, text, sms, mms, email? [06:00] botnut: for about a year now. No email though. [06:00] I haven't tried yet, but it should be working since a few months ago [06:00] is the email app still under development? [06:00] Actually, everything but mms has been working for over 18 months. [06:00] how about for a tablet? [06:00] which one should i go with for this? [06:00] MMS has been sort of working (should be 100% now) for about three months. [06:00] nexus 7 2013 [06:00] thelionroars: the email app is not part of Ubuntu. [06:01] botnut: I wouldn't go with a tablet at all until there's a retail one. But Nexus 7 2013 is the only supported tablet. [06:01] nhaines - how stable is it on the phone and the tablet? [06:02] No idea about the tablet. The phone barely crashes, assuming you stick with only promoted builds. [06:02] yes [06:02] just want to go strictly ubuntu across everything i use [06:03] but ive been waiting to hear its stable on the phone and tablets [06:03] Then I suggest waiting until you can walk into a store (or website) and buy one. [06:03] Everything available now is for OS and app developers. [06:04] which i am both lol [06:04] but i also want it to work without me having to code something up [06:04] Oh, well, that's been around for 15 months now. :) [06:05] You can also use the emulator on your computer. [06:05] nah thats not what i want [06:05] i use phones, tablets, workstations and laptops daily [06:05] laptops, workstations and servers i use are all linux based [06:06] would like to move my phone an tablet to that as well [06:06] and im not fond of the android based phones [06:06] Well, it's stable but apps don't exist. [06:06] ahh dont care about apps [06:07] as long asi can do phone, text, mms, sms and basic email [06:07] So if you load up the emulator and like what you see, you'll know whether or not to buy hardware. [06:07] tbh I was really starting to enjoy android, once I knew about f-droid [06:07] if i have to whip up an email client i will [06:07] Well, like I said, there is no email. [06:07] but touch so far looks far superior [06:07] it has a browser though right? [06:07] will see how I go after a few days [06:07] Yup. [06:07] which one? [06:07] Ubuntu browser. [06:08] its "own" or some firefox or chromium derivative [06:08] Which you can try in the emulator. [06:08] can i set it up in vm ware player or virtual box? [06:08] (The Ubuntu 14.04 LTS version of Ubuntu Browser is less than impressive but doesn't reflect what's in the phone builds.) [06:08] No, you can set it up using the Ubuntu SDK and the included emulator. [06:09] http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/using-the-ubuntu-emulator/ [06:09] hrmmm ill check that out actually [06:09] good idea [06:10] If it had maps, working email, and Ingress (and the screen turned off on my phone) I *might* use it every day. [06:10] Instead, it's dual-boot only for me now. Although when it didn't destroy batteries I could leave it running Ubuntu over the weekends. :) [06:25] sergiusens: ping (about untappd) [06:26] good morning [06:26] dholbach: moin moin! [06:26] hi nhaines [06:27] dholbach: I'm just installing r197 to see if it breaks anything since I tried r187. :) [06:29] is this a suitable channel for talking about touch architecture on desktop Ubuntu too? === diddledan_ is now known as diddledan [06:32] ecloud: I think so. But it's still a bit early in the morning. [06:32] yeah it is [06:34] Well, it's 23:34 for me, but for the core developers, it's early. :) === anpok_ is now known as anpok [08:10] is it a known problem that the clock in the top right corner getts stuck at 00:00? (The clock app still shows the right time though) [08:11] tbr, yeah, thats a new bug in the last ~8-10 images [08:11] ok [08:16] hi guys, i found two apps i developed with simple webview of qml are broken in recent builds. i guess something changed for policy_group but i'm not sure it's by design or i should submit bug to lp. anyone can confirm? [08:16] shuduo, webkit based ? [08:18] ogra_: what i used is 'import Ubuntu.Components.Extras.Browser 0.1' and specify a url [08:18] ogra_: here is my code: https://github.com/sangshuduo/doubanfmunofficial/blob/master/DoubanFMUnofficial/DoubanFMUnofficial.qml [08:19] ogra_: I'm on image 197 now (with wiped data, getting first-time wizard now), but adb shell is still root [08:19] shuduo, right, 0.1 was the old webkit stuff ... [08:19] ogra_: that's an upgrade though, not a fresh install; does that make a difference? [08:19] shuduo, there were probs with webkit based apps in the recent unreleased images [08:19] ogra_: (I was going to adjust autopkgtset for the new way of enabling ssh) [08:19] pitti, yes, many moving parts there ... the switched adbd has not landed yet [08:20] ogra_: what version i should use now? :) [08:20] i need to make sure to neither regress the SDK nor CI nor the smoke tests [08:20] ogra_: ah, you said "as of image 189", so I thought this was active already [08:21] shuduo, you shouldnt need to change a thing (as long as we have not dropped the old framework) .... it is a bug in the image that needs fixing [08:21] pitti, i think you misunderstood me :) [08:22] ogra_: oh, you mean calling PropertyService landed, and that shoudl be used now [08:22] pitti, as of image 189 you can manage sshd on/off via dbus ... so you dont need a sudo password ;) [08:22] ogra_: ack, thanks; sorry for the misunderstanding [08:22] i need to land a bunch more of these things first [08:22] then i can switch adbd [08:23] shuduo, but if you want to port i think daker wrote a nice tutorial for the 0.2 browser stuff [08:23] long term you will inded have to do that anyway [08:23] ogra_: so that'll enable ssh permanently, not just for the current run; but I guess we have to live with that [08:23] ogra_: where i can find the nice tutorial? [08:25] ogra_: i think i already found it. ;) thanks [08:28] pitti, right ... phablet shell needs it (it disables it on disconnect though) [08:29] shuduo, somewhere on http://daker.me/ i think :) [08:30] ogra_: ack, works fine; thanks! [08:37] ogra_: yes [08:39] ogra_: I replied on the ML for the other problematic bits [08:51] I noticed in the latest build, the power menu lost the restart option. What package do I file a bug report against? [08:58] nhaines, unity8 [09:00] pitti, there will be dbus properties to put something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8078389/ in place [09:01] ogra_: hm, that easily allows circumventing all that protection, though [09:01] ogra_: create a package with a suid root bash, add-apt-repository it, call it, done [09:01] which protection ? [09:02] pitti, before you can do any of that you have to enable dev mode with a password [09:02] ogra_: not giving root privs to adb (to avoid tinkering with the device for random computers you plug it into) [09:02] before you can access the device you will have to cofirm dev mode with the password [09:02] you always have sudo ... [09:03] and nothing stops you to call "passwd -d" after logging in and use sudo passwordless [09:03] ogra_: ah, so "sudo " with the "ubuntu" password won't go away? [09:03] not the ubuntu password, no [09:03] we already ship without password [09:04] we will also ship with disabled adb by default (soon after all these bits landed) .... [09:04] adbd wont start if there is no password set ... and you will need to set it to enable dev mode [09:04] ogra_: so what does --enable-developer-mode in ubuntu-device-flash do there? [09:05] it will toggle the switch [09:05] but it will soon be bound to a --password option ;) [09:05] for automated testing we'll need that [09:06] btw, answered your mail [09:06] yeah, automated testing does not quite fit what a "developer" would want to do; we probably want an --enable-testing-mode for that [09:07] well, even developers would want to flash with enabled dev mode ... [09:08] imagine your icecc build farm that you want to flash daily with the latest image before building :) [09:08] you dont want that with a ton of autopilot bits enabled ... but just in a normal dev more [09:10] ogra_: right, we don't want to ship autopilot (or enable the apparmor profiles for that) by default; maybe for developers, but that should all be hidden/done by phablet-test-run or adt-run [09:10] which just calls phablet-config ... [09:11] and for the bits in phablet-config i cant shield better there are the sudo snippets [09:11] Is this the place to ask for help on getting ubuntu-touch running on a Nexus 10 (I’m stuck in a boot loop) :\ [09:11] (namely the package install bits and the aa-clickhook calls) [09:12] jibel: thanks! [09:12] ogra_: yeah, I mostly use these; the things that adt-run does on its own are powerd-cli (but that seems to work as phablet), the factory reset, and saving/restoring wifi connectinos [09:13] pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/android-tools-adbd_4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu24_armhf.deb in case you want to try out the adbd with phablet default [09:14] i plan to land the last proprty service bits today ... [09:14] ogra_: ah, that's useful, thanks [09:14] and the phablet-tools changes during the rest of the week [09:15] Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Bad Poetry Day! :-D [09:20] Am I right in assuming that if ubuntu installs correctly you don’t get the Normal (4 colour squares) google bootup sequence? [09:21] squares = circles* [09:21] volpe: typically you just get the Google logo until you get the Ubuntu bootsplash (currently a rotating Ubuntu logo, although I've been told this is not final.). [09:22] nhaines: right, thanks. I’ve done something wrong then. :\ [09:23] volpato1 === volpe is now known as volpato1 [09:27] “Mon 18, Aug” [09:27] — the Clock app [09:28] So after doing a: ubuntu-device-flash --wipe --channel=devel --bootstrap — from recovery, I reboot into recovery mode (ubuntu logo in the middle) then reboot with a ubuntu logo spinning (for a bout a minute) then reboot again with the google boot sequence. (Nexus 10, manta) — Don’t suppose anyone knows any obivous solutions? [09:28] volpato1: try reflashing from recovery. [09:30] nhaines: Recovery is the Android fallen over screen or the screen with wipe cache, factory reset options? [09:32] volpato1: it's the Android with the access patch open. :) [09:32] This is actually "Fastboot Mode". [09:33] nhaines: I’ve tried that multiple times (with —channel=devel, stable, trusty) same result. Is bootstrap significant? [09:33] Yes, it's required. [09:33] tried that each time as well - just wondered if I should try without. [09:34] Only when it's already working. [09:34] What device are you running? [09:34] Oh, there it is... Manta. [09:34] Yeah manta. [09:36] volpato1: I did some brief research, but I don't have any further suggestions, sorry. [09:36] thanks anyway - I’ll keep messing about :) [09:40] Good luck. :) [09:51] Saviq: I shake my fist at your design decision! [09:51] :-) [09:52] nhaines, no but really, why would you reboot your phone? [09:52] Saviq: because Ubuntu doesn't have any power management and I have to boot back into Android to get battery life over an hour (or get anything useful done). [09:53] nhaines, the reboot dialog doesn't fix that does it [09:53] (On Android, it's because sometimes Android L breaks everything, but for Android 4.4.3 it wasn't too bad.) [09:53] Saviq: it fixes that I can reboot my phone. [09:53] So there's that. [09:54] On Ubuntu, rebooting is less useful, although every so often apps or updates completely break, and then I need to reboot. [09:54] Noteably if one webapp breaks, that's usually the end of webapps for the rest of the session, although I have noticed that occasionally other apps refuse to start, and then I can't use them until my next boot. [09:54] nhaines, that's not a "real life" situation, let's just fix the power management (which btw I don't know of a bug about, people have been using their Ubuntu phones daily and I don't know of any particular battery draining problem (although we obviously need to improve, but it's not *tragic*) [09:55] nhaines, but adding a reboot button really does not help that situation which needs to be fixed regardless [09:55] nhaines, on Ubuntu *desktop* the only real reason to reboot is upgrades, which on phone happen with a forced reboot anyway [09:55] A 10% drop in battery charge every 10 minutes is hardware damaging, since it stresses the (non-replaceable) battery in my phone. [09:56] nhaines, is there a bug about this? [09:56] Nope, it would be wontfix. [09:56] Although there might be one anyway. [09:56] And I reboot my computer all the time to test an Ubuntu live CD or run Windows. [09:57] nhaines, why would a 10% drop in 10 minutes be a wontfix? [09:57] What's going to end up happening is I'm going to stop testing Ubuntu because it's damaging my phone and it's a hassle to get back to Android when I'm done. [09:58] nhaines, again, understand that's not real-life situations [09:58] Saviq: no idea. Hammerhead was supposed to be a new supported target starting around June, but now Canonical claims they've never seen their own spreadsheets. [09:58] Saviq: I do it constantly. [09:59] nhaines, I don't mean to be blunt, but we're not doing the phone for *you* but for the general user [09:59] Unfortunately I was on vacation when the change happened, so I couldn't try to bisect the power management problems. [09:59] nhaines, who does not switch between Ubuntu and Windows, or test Ubuntu live CDs [09:59] Well here's a real world problem. Every time I change a setting with my graphics card, I have to reboot before the change takes effect. [10:00] nhaines, bug#? [10:00] And I promise you there's not a single person who dual-boots who doesn't switch OSes occasionally. [10:00] Saviq: no bug. I presume it's the intended behavior of Linux kernel modules. [10:00] nhaines, and you consider dual-booting a phone a common use case? [10:01] nhaines, presumptions like that gets your bug not looked at [10:01] Saviq: no, but I consider broken apps refusing to launch a reasonable scenario. [10:01] Which project/package is responsible for the “wants to access your current location” prompts? Is it trust-store? [10:02] nhaines, sure, that needs to be fixed on the platform, rebooting shouldn't be necessary [10:03] Okay, but I don't have much confidence that it will be. [10:03] mpt, location-service I believe [10:03] nhaines, you know that logic is flawed? [10:04] Saviq: please explain. [10:04] nhaines, if you not file a bug because you "don't have confidence" in it being looked at [10:04] nhaines, and then complaining about that bug not being looked at... [10:05] I haven't filed a bug because I haven't ben able to identify non-random conditions under which it is reproducible. [10:05] thanks Saviq [10:06] nhaines, unless you're the only person that's affected by this, which is unlikely, maybe others have ideas, workarounds, anything [10:08] Saviq: possibly, but a lot of bugs are neglected, and with nothing solid to present and very little time to troubleshoot because Ubuntu is harmful to my phone and now even more difficult to work with, I'm not comfortable presenting nebulous bugs with no information to go on. [10:08] There are surely enough nonsense whining bugs on LP as it is. [10:09] nhaines: we never said hammerhead was a target [10:09] popey: yes you did. [10:09] people speculated [10:10] [citation needed] [10:10] popey: it was in your roadmap in February. [10:10] Google Docs doesn't let itself to citations. [10:10] nhaines, we've drifted away from the original point though, I still don't think your usecase warrants a reboot button in the dialog [10:11] nhaines, if you could state your case on the bug, I'll get our UX designers to look at it [10:11] Saviq: that's as fair as I can ask, although less than I hoped for. [10:14] nhaines, we all (me as well, most of the Canonical developers) have to understand we're not the main targets for the phone [10:14] nhaines, and live with some design decisions that improve usability for the majority [10:14] Saviq: I'm 100% for that. But I don't think that the option to reboot a phone is unreasonable. Especially with a system that isn't very stable. [10:15] (If everything were very stable, that might be a different scenario.) [10:15] nhaines, again, let's not fix instabilities by adding temporary reboot buttons [10:15] nhaines, let's instead fix the instabilities [10:15] nhaines, fortunately it's all open source, there's nothing stopping you from rolling nhaines's version of the phone that adds the reboot button [10:16] Saviq: I think it's irresponsible to take out such options before the instabilities are fixed. [10:17] And as a Python programmer, yes, I'm prevented from rollling my own version of the phone. [10:18] But I'm not stomping my feet because my favorite feature was removed and I'm special. [10:18] Actually, that's why I don't file bugs that I can't reproduce, either. [10:18] nhaines, I don't think being a Python programmer prevents you from anything [10:19] I definitely hope not [10:19] Saviq: Unity8 is C++ if I understand correctly. That prevents me from contributing or forking. [10:19] (This is not a failure of Unity 8) [10:21] Although I would suggest it's not a failure of me, either. :P [10:21] nhaines, there's actually much more QML code than C++ [10:22] nhaines, I don't think a project being in *any* language or a person knowing *any* language (or not knowing one, for that matter) can be considered a fault [10:22] Saviq: well then we agree on that. [10:25] Ohhh, I love how the icons rotate inside the Camera app’s buttons [10:25] That’s classy [10:27] Looks like I'll reboot my phone again (hypotheticaly twice but actually only once since Ubuntu doesn't allow it) to check that out. [10:29] mpt, hmm, is the missing reboot button in the shutdown dialog wanted ? [10:29] ogra_: see previous 3 hours of conversation here [10:29] * ogra_ had annoying moments on the weekend trying to get hos phone rebooted [10:29] oh [10:29] sorry,, i didnt read that :P [10:29] * ogra_ does so [10:29] nhaines: looked through all plans, no mention of hammerhead [10:30] i think we speculated about it repeatedly [10:30] but never committed to actually porting to it, which is why there's only like 3 of them in the company [10:30] mpt: a little jerky but a very nice touch! [10:30] if we'd committed we'd have bought a _lot_ of them [10:30] popey: It was mentioned in a roadmap, since Nexus 4s haven't been made for two years. [10:31] mentioned != commitment [10:31] as I said. [10:31] shuduo: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Web.WebView/ [10:31] earlier in the year there were many conversations about "what do we do after nexus 4" and a few options were mooted, no commitment is my point [10:32] I've always presumed that once retail phones it, all developer builds are going to be deprecated very, very quickly. [10:33] I can't seem to find the right emails, and it's no longer in my Google Drive (which probably means it was replaced or deleted) but the roadmap I saw was very clear that it was, at one time, planned. [10:33] Not that plans don't (or shouldn't!) change, but it's surely annoying to have people say hammerhead was never mentioned. [10:34] hmm, interesting, it seems like ubuntu touch for some reason changes its IPv4 address very often in combination with my local DHCP server [10:34] My actual anger is directed at HUD being abandoned. [10:34] * tbr suspects a bug but doesn't have the time to investigate it further [10:35] nhaines: i didnt say it was never mentioned! [10:35] nhaines: I specifically said it was discussed but not a commitment [10:35] wait, what? we've gone from reboots to hammerhead to hud.. [10:36] reboots and hammerhead are mere annoyances. HUD is a betrayal. :P [10:36] Or at least really disappointing. [10:37] nhaines, it will be back, when we get time to redesign it proper [10:37] Saviq: that will be nice to see. [10:38] Mostly people were getting an answer more like "there are no plans to work on it in the future." Which is annoying. [10:38] * ogra_ finds reboots annnoying enough that we should leave the button in place til final landing of unity8 [10:39] it eats my time to try to get out of the battery animation for 5mins ... really not development friendly [10:39] yesterday I made a script which takes screenshots on the device.. works quite well, even if I did have to build all of imagemagick to do it [10:39] Saviq, popey: trust me, if I had any proficiency at hardware programming, I'd be harassing with patches instead of opinions. :) [10:39] popey, try to use gstreamer ;) [10:39] * ogra_ was playingwith that a bit but other stuff got in my way [10:39] this works, i need to wrap it in a qml app [10:39] along with 76MB of libs ⍨ [10:40] right, but you need to ship a static imagemagick [10:40] could probably trim that down ☻ [10:40] yes [10:40] gstreamer is already there [10:40] plus a load of other libs [10:40] and ships a pngsrc and pngenc sink [10:40] can gstreamer convert rgbas to pngs? [10:40] hmm [10:40] will have a play with that later, thanks [10:41] problem then is the app wont be able to put the pictures in ~/Pictures where I'd want to [10:41] i was trying that for capturing videos though ... but stills shouldnt be much different [10:42] gst-launch-1.0 ximagesrc remote=1 num-buffers=1 \! videoconvert \! pngenc \! filesink location=blah.png [10:42] or something [10:42] * popey hugs Laney [10:43] Laney, wont work with Mir i fear [10:43] ogra_, I assume you're getting the battery animation because your phone is connected to your laptop? adb reboot not working for you? :P [10:43] or does ximagesink read from /dev/fb0 [10:43] dunno [10:43] gst-launch-1.0 filesrc location=image.raw ! videoconvert ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png [10:43] that migh work though [10:43] what is image.raw? [10:43] captured by mirscreencast [10:44] raw rgba data [10:45] we dont shil gst-lauch though ... you need to actually have a C++ wrapper or some such [10:45] *ship [10:45] yeah, gstreamer1.0-tools isn't installed ☹ [10:46] yo uwouldn't actually use that [10:46] but construct the pipeline in code [10:46] well, you can test the pipe on the desktop [10:46] this should of course be baked into mir/unity [10:46] just grab the raw mirscreencast image from the phone and fiddle with it until you got the right runes [10:50] yeah, thats what I did for imagemagick [10:52] you could write a mirimagesrc :-) [10:58] yes, long term that is what we need [11:00] mardy pong [11:04] sergiusens: I suggest you to start from the facebook account plugin, which you can find in lp:account-plugins [11:04] sergiusens: the first steo is to create the .provider file, and see that you can create the account on the desktop [11:05] sergiusens: after that is successful, you can continue by adding a QML plugin for Ubuntu Touch, which would get the username [11:14] wifi/usb tethering is not implemented yet? [11:15] thelionroars: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09388.html [11:17] ta [11:17] please file bugs (against dbus-property-service) if you see any issues [11:18] thanks, will do [11:31] mardy: I'll pick it up later today as it is not work related :-) But I did setup a service-type, service and provider; I used the facebook one as a template and when clicking on the account to enable it (on my trusty desktop) I get an error back saying that the request is missing the client id [11:31] mardy: I'll write something more elaborate with pastebins and such closer to my eod [11:32] want to land something before the possible traincon 0 I heard might happen today [11:32] thanks! [11:32] sergiusens: OK :-) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:46] jhodapp: ping (unable to play sounds in the clock app) [11:49] t1mp: ping [11:57] nik90: hello [11:57] t1mp: Hi, [11:58] t1mp: I am using a ListItem.Standard with a control element (checkbox). Since I need to change the color of the text, I use a Label{}. However I am unable to anchor this label to the checkbox to avoid text elide etc. [11:58] t1mp: it says cannot anchor to something which is not parent. [11:58] t1mp: how may I fix this? [12:00] nik90: you can make the Label anchors.fill: parent maybe? [12:00] to anchor it to the checkbox you'd need to use a ListItem.Empty and add both the Label and the CheckBox there :( [12:00] hmm :/ [12:01] we were using ListItem.Empty before, but the issue with that is that we need to add onClicked signals to both the checkbox and the listitem which is counterintuitive. [12:01] nik90: we'll have new list items coming up, but not this week [12:01] nik90, pong [12:01] t1mp: for now this is okay. [12:01] hmm [12:02] zsombi: did you have a look at adding a foreground/text color to the old list items? [12:02] jhodapp: hi, I have a branch which plays a ringtone. it works on the desktop but not on the phone. let me grab the MR link for you [12:02] nik90, of the clock app? [12:02] jhodapp: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/play-sound-preview/+merge/230959 [12:02] jhodapp: yes [12:02] t1mp: no, not this time... [12:03] jhodapp: at first I thought it was an apparmor issue which it was. But jdstrand fixed that apparmor issue and still I don't hear the sound being played by the clock on the phone [12:03] t1mp: but if someone does, should use the ColorUtils.luminance() to check the theme's background color [12:03] nik90, yeah I have a pretty good guess of what it is, one sec [12:03] jhodapp: yay :) [12:03] nik90: is the tone in part of the clock apps directory space [12:04] jhodapp: might be the same issue we had with paths? [12:04] sergiusens, exactly [12:04] sergiusens: directory space? as in does clock have permission to read that folder? [12:05] jhodapp, sergiusens: Btw the ringtones i am playing are in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/ringtones [12:05] nik90, no, as in media-hub won't play that sound for clock-app because of permission policy within media-hub [12:05] jhodapp: but wasn't it fixed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1357348 [12:05] Ubuntu bug 1357348 in mediascanner2 (Ubuntu) "Cannot play sound files due to apparmor permission issue" [Critical,In progress] [12:05] nik90, yep, I can almost guarantee that's the issue now...technically an app is only allowed to play something from its own click *home dir* [12:06] jhodapp: so how do I fix that in the clock app? [12:06] nik90: click pkgdir com.ubuntu.clock that is [12:07] sergiusens: ah no we don't ship that folder with the clock app [12:08] nik90, you can check what's going on with media-hub by tailing the log while it tries to play that sound: "tail -f /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/media-hub.log" [12:09] * nik90 checks that now [12:09] you should see a line like "client pkgname: com.ubuntu.music [12:09] uri: file:///home/phablet/Music/01 - Gobbledigook.mp3 [12:09] Client can access content in ~/Music or ~/Videos"" [12:09] nik90, but it should say client not allow access... [12:10] jhodapp: yup http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079472/ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:11] jhodapp: so what would you advice me to do? Ship that folder internally with the clock app? [12:11] nik90, so please ping jdstrand about this and if he is ok with adding another app exception to the media-hub policy [12:11] jhodapp: ah ok [12:12] jdstrand: ping [12:12] nik90, he probably won't be online yet...he's on central US time [12:13] jhodapp: ack. I will check with him later === pete-woods is now known as pete-woods|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:58] jhodapp: rather than adding an app exception, can we jus say that all apps who can contact the media-hub can access /usr/share/sounds? [12:58] jdstrand, yep, was thinking that'd be the solution as well, but wanted to make sure you're ok with that [12:59] jhodapp: this is yet more policy in the media-hub, but remember, that will go away once tha apparmor query interface allows media-hub to query an app's access to files [12:59] jhodapp: I'm ok with that [12:59] jdstrand, awesome...will that query be answered from the trust store? [13:01] jhodapp: no, this is for playback, so the truststore wouldn't be involved [13:01] jhodapp: but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it [13:01] jhodapp: the audio policy group already has: [13:02] /usr/share/sounds/** r, [13:02] /custom/usr/share/sounds/** r, [13:02] jdstrand, ok, but I'm just curious what is adding that functionality...what needs to be implemented and where? [13:02] jhodapp: so apps are intended to have playback access to those [13:03] jhodapp: basically you big if/else statement turns into: if (app_can_read_file(fn)) { ... } else { EPERM } [13:03] the tust-store bit is separate [13:04] jdstrand, right, but what's implementing the app_can_read_file(fn) function call? [13:04] jhodapp: the libapparmor API [13:04] jhodapp: the query interface [13:04] jdstrand, ok...who's working on that and any idea of what the timeline might be? [13:04] so, it would be more like 'app_can_read_file(pid, file)' or something [13:05] jhodapp: jjohansen/tyhicks. not for rtm, possibel for 14.10. I don't know what the actual api will look like [13:05] kenvandine: hi, do you happen to know how can i give my app permission to read pictures from ~/Pictures/camera ? [13:05] jdstrand, ok awesome, thanks for the info [13:07] nerochiaro, you don't [13:07] that's what content-hub is for :) [13:08] jdstrand, jhodapp: Should I create a separate bug report for the above? [13:08] kenvandine: ok, so if I put an Image { source: "foo.jpg" } in my QML app, where does it look for foo.jpg on the file system ? [13:08] nik90, sure, assign it to media-hub [13:08] current dir [13:08] jdstrand, jhodapp: /me and tyhicks are working on the query interface, it is largely done, the kernel interface is fully updated there is a little more to do in the library and there needs to be testing and regression tests written. [13:08]