[00:41] <Indeed> o.k
[00:41] <daftykins> o rly
[00:41] <Indeed> 1st time on this chat
[00:42]  * zmoylan-pi prepares the branding iron :-p
[00:42] <Indeed> :-)
[00:42] <daftykins> fresh blood
[00:43] <daftykins> and what can we do for you?
[00:43] <zmoylan-pi> not if you brand them right... :-)
[00:43] <Indeed> yeah, just working out this new O/S.
[00:43] <daftykins> at almost 2am huh? dedication
[00:43] <diddledan_> daftykins: you can do me for £5
[00:43] <zmoylan-pi> or trying to get sound working...
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> or network...
[00:44] <daftykins> diddledan_: suit you sir
[00:44] <diddledan_> :-p
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> or uefi fun
[00:44] <Indeed> 1:45 here. :-)
[00:44] <daftykins> oh we love a good bit of UEFI here
[00:44] <daftykins> Indeed: sure is
[00:45] <Indeed> you U.K too?
[00:46] <daftykins> almost
[00:46] <Indeed> i see...
[00:47] <diddledan_> bleeping foreigners!
[00:47] <diddledan_> I wouldn't mind but you shirk all our VAT
[00:47] <diddledan_> that's just taking the micky
[00:48]  * zmoylan-pi puts on a nation once again ♪
[00:48] <daftykins> sure but i have to put up with being called French
[00:48] <diddledan_> true, that's quite an insult
[00:48] <Indeed> french?
[00:50] <daftykins> nevermind (:
[00:50] <Indeed> o.k then, what is UEFI then?
[00:50] <daftykins> Indeed: do you have any support questions then?
[00:50] <popey> Is that the time!
[00:50] <diddledan_> I always have trouble with those backwards emoticons - they're the wrong way around, damnit
[00:50] <daftykins> bad popey!
[00:51] <daftykins> lol
[00:51] <popey> i thought imagemagick would compile faster than this
[00:51] <popey> clearly not
[00:51] <popey> welcome to the madhouse Indeed
[00:51] <diddledan_> popey: whatcha compiling it for?
[00:51] <diddledan_> .deb ftw
[00:51] <diddledan_> :-p
[00:51] <Indeed> i'm starting to notice ...
[00:51] <popey> building on my tablet
[00:52] <diddledan_> Indeed: it's usually better than this during the day because I'm less active :-p
[00:52] <popey> want to use vanilla upstream build, not one tampered with by debian
[00:52] <diddledan_> aah
[00:52] <popey>  but building something chunky like this on an arm tablet is s l o w
[00:52] <diddledan_> yeah, I can imagine
[00:52] <popey> still, fun that I can ☻
[00:53] <popey>   PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND
[00:53] <popey> 29554 phablet   20   0   69352  61532   5792 R  97.7  3.3   0:19.85 cc1
[00:53] <popey> \o/
[00:53] <diddledan_> defo, though I'd be tempted to try to do it with a cross-compile toolchain
[00:53] <popey> poor little tablet
[00:53] <popey> yeah, i couldn't be bothered to setup the chroot
[00:53] <diddledan_> aah I see
[00:53] <popey> quicker to just wget, configure, make
[00:53] <diddledan_> yeah it's not easy to get a proper cross-toolchain working right
[00:53] <daftykins> Indeed: computers used to just be BIOS based, that determined the structure of partitions on the disk and how they booted. more recently they use UEFI, which has greater capabilities and adds much confusion to those of us wanting to adopt a penguin
[00:54] <popey> \o/ Penguins
[00:54] <daftykins> Indeed: Apple macs have used UEFI for a long time though
[00:54] <popey> I can hear wifey watching Good Morning Vietnam
[00:54] <diddledan_> speaking of EFI I need to install refit
[00:54] <daftykins> popey: no way, some pals in another channel just watched that recently
[00:54] <popey> guess it's on the telly tonight in memory
[00:54] <diddledan_> I believe mac's efi is slightly older than the U-variant tho
[00:54] <Indeed> daftykins...  Right thanks... that helped a lot..... ( :-) )
[00:55] <popey> right, bored of watching make, off to bed
[00:55] <popey> nn all
[00:55] <diddledan_> nn
[00:55] <daftykins> nn sir
[00:55] <Indeed> nn
[00:55] <diddledan_> oh yeah, refit is dead. long live refind
[00:56] <zmoylan-pi> 0200 and going to bed.... pfffft. amateur... :-)
[00:56] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: he works.
[00:56] <daftykins> hehehe
[00:56] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: you might know the company he works for, yannow
[00:56] <diddledan_> :-p
[00:57] <diddledan_> or at least you _should_
[01:06] <popey> woot, it finished
[01:06] <popey> properly off to bed now
[01:08] <daftykins> =]
[01:13] <zmoylan-pi> see now is when you kick off big compliles when you don't want the cpu for anything else :-)
[01:17] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/q1OHgva.gif - Batman
[01:18] <diddledan_> where's that from? can't be the original series, surely?
[01:18] <daftykins> not sure sadly
[01:18] <diddledan_> funny tho
[01:19] <diddledan_> I wanna see where it goes from there tho
[01:19] <zmoylan-pi> some spoof i'm guessing
[01:22] <diddledan_> now the question arises from that animation above, why the file extension didn't change to cif?
[01:22] <daftykins> i don't follow
[01:22] <daftykins> i'm afraid it's going to be a shocking pun though
[01:22] <diddledan_> gif was supposedly renamed to cif
[01:23] <diddledan_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cif
[01:42] <diddledan_> yey - grub no longer has a 30 second delay before starting on my mbp
[01:45] <diddledan_> it now boots to desktop in about 15 seconds (guess)
[01:45] <diddledan_> maybe quicker
[01:46] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/oy2gy12fuypb0vl/VID_20140818_024216.mp4
[01:46] <daftykins> my cat in luxury
[01:50] <diddledan_> nawwwww
[01:50] <diddledan_> such a cutie!
[01:51] <daftykins> :>
[02:07] <diddledan_> ooh, yey, the latest kernel fixed a bug with my macbook pro's sd-card reader
[02:07] <diddledan_> namely it was reporting that it was timing out
[02:07] <diddledan_> basically it didn't really know how to talk to it properly but assumed it did
[02:10] <daftykins> =]
[02:10] <daftykins> "hello? hello? i said hello down there?"
[02:10] <diddledan_> "oranges"
[02:11] <diddledan_> it's specifically awesome 'cos I got one of these in there: http://www.transcendusa.com/apple/jetdrivelite/
[02:12] <diddledan_> sits almost flush with the case
[02:23] <diddledan_> I remember watching this as a kid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4CXNfcfU_s
[03:04] <diddledan_> oops
[03:04] <diddledan_> I just set the upgrade to utopic running
[03:05] <diddledan_> wonder how much breakage I'm going to be faced with
[03:09] <daftykins> oodles.
[03:09] <daftykins> metric oodles.
[03:09] <diddledan_> oh god, metric ones?
[03:10] <diddledan_> they're bigger than normal ones!
[03:10] <daftykins> that they be!
[03:32] <diddledan_> so far so good
[03:32] <diddledan_> no breakage yet
[03:33] <daftykins> oh it's coming
[03:36] <diddledan_> still got a wonky display on the inbuilt monitor with wifi turned-on
[03:36] <diddledan_> that's been there ever since I got it tho
[03:36] <diddledan_> so 18 months now
[03:38] <diddledan_> I fail to understand why wifi would affect the gfx at all and only on the inbuilt display - with external displays attached it still does it on the internal display but the externals are fine
[03:39] <daftykins> so if you turn off wifi, the picture repositions? 0o
[03:39] <daftykins> or just boots right
[03:41] <diddledan_> this is the video I took on 13.04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSP2EIAkkJg
[03:42] <daftykins> ooh hello
[03:42] <diddledan_> I attached it to a bug report which got filed as dupe of some other bug which got marked as dupe of another bug....
[03:45] <diddledan_> looks like I let freedesktop.org mark it as fixed
[03:46] <diddledan_> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63981
[03:46] <diddledan_> as far as I can tell the diagnosis of requiring wlan to be associated with an access point is correct
[03:47] <diddledan_> i.e. it's not doing it right now and wlan is disaocciated
[03:47] <diddledan_> yeah, however that's spelt :-p
[03:48] <daftykins> ;]
[03:49] <daftykins> Marilyn Manson - Disassociative
[03:53] <shauno> you guys realise it's tomorrow already, right?
[03:53] <daftykins> it is
[03:53] <daftykins> sun'll be up shortly
[03:53] <daftykins> i'm nipping off to bed right now :) g'night o/
[03:53] <diddledan_> nn
[03:53] <shauno> heh, yeah.  quick, before it comes and burns your eyeballs!
[03:54]  * daftykins disintegrates
[03:54] <daftykins> shauno: btw nice neck
[03:54] <shauno> o_O
[03:54] <diddledan_> >:E
[03:55] <diddledan_> that was the best fangy thing I could come up with on the spot
[03:56] <shauno> ah
[03:57] <diddledan_> ok, usb dongle - hdparm says "*	Data Set Management TRIM supported (limit 4 blocks)" but fstrim says "FITRIM ioctl failed: Operation not permitted"
[04:25] <diddledan_> so, is btrfs a good idea yet?
[04:28] <nigelb> depends.
[04:29] <nigelb> if you're on the latest ubuntu, probably.
[04:29] <nigelb> older, probably not.
[04:29] <nigelb> I had a bad time with the older version, probably because I didn't have all the fixes that came in later.
[04:29] <diddledan_> I've just tonight upgraded to utopic
[04:29] <nigelb> It was terribly slow.
[04:29] <nigelb> Ha, then I'd say go for it. popey uses it actively, I think.
[04:29] <diddledan_> fair enough
[05:41] <Guest25744> hi all
[06:01] <diddledan_> allo mapps
[06:01] <mapps> sup
[06:01] <mapps> :D
[06:02] <diddledan_> hmm, I might need to put something warm on
[06:02] <diddledan_> me chilly
[06:02] <mapps> heh
[06:02] <diddledan_> I suppose I could shut the window but that makes it seem like winter already
[06:08]  * Myrtti rubs her eyes
[06:08] <Myrtti> there's people awake!
[06:08] <Myrtti> morning
[06:09] <diddledan_> morning
[06:10] <mapps> morning
[06:16] <shauno> evening
[06:45] <mapps> Myrtti,  abiut yesterday yes still planning to go to russia in Jan
[06:45] <mapps> :D
[08:30] <diplo> Morning all
[08:40] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:40] <SuperMatt> I am a banana
[08:43] <mapps> morning diplo  / SuperMatt  :)
[08:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <mapps> morning brobostigon  :)
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning mapps
[09:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Bad Poetry Day! :-D
[09:51] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> hi diddly hi
[10:29] <MooDoo> how's everyone this fine day?
[10:29] <brobostigon> tired and boiled, and you?
[10:29] <MooDoo> yeah i'm doing ok thanks :D
[10:31] <diddledan> struggling with bash
[10:31] <popey> pip pip
[10:32] <diddledan> I have a series of folders of the form year/month/day/file.txt and I want to move them to file/year-month-day.txt
[10:33] <diddledan> my brian can't work it out
[10:33] <zmoylan-pi> sounds more like a job for perl to me but i'm sure some bash whizz has a regular expression thingy for that
[10:36] <diddledan> so far I've got "find ./foo -name "*.txt" | sed -e 's|.*/||' | uniq | (while read foo; do find ./foo -name "$foo" -exec bash -c "mkdir -p '$foo'; ln -s '{}' '$foo/$(echo {} | sed -e "s|.*([0-9]+/[0-9]+/[0-9]}).*|\1|" | sed -e "s|/|-|g"/'" \;; done)
[10:37] <diddledan> it's the second-to-last regex that's not right
[10:37] <diddledan> namely it thinks the input is $foo and not {}
[10:37] <diddledan> or maybe it's using {} and mangling it in a way I don't appreciate
[10:39] <diddledan> hmm sed: -e expression #1, char 34: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
[11:20] <diddledan> \o/ the new savlonic album arrived
[11:20]  * diddledan just downloaded his "perk"
[12:24] <knightwise> mornin everyone
[12:26] <knightwise> clear
[12:26] <knightwise> *shocks chatroom*
[12:27]  * zmoylan-pi thanks the rubber soles i'm wearing
[12:27] <knightwise> morning zmoylan-pi
[12:27] <knightwise> ô
[12:27] <zmoylan-pi> hey knightwise
[12:37] <knightwise> anyone now a good tool to sniff urls ?
[12:37] <knightwise> on a wifi network
[12:45] <diplo> Wireshark and filter the results? tcpdump ?
[12:50] <diddledan> or airsnort
[12:58] <knightwise> airsnort or ... ?
[13:03] <diplo> knightwise, my suggestions above
[13:03] <knightwise> sorry , i got disconnected, i missed the line above airsnort
[13:04] <diplo> Wireshark and filter the results? tcpdump ?
[13:04] <diplo> aha, so you did... totally missed that :D
[13:05] <SuperMatt> I've just done a wiresharking for a customer
[13:05] <SuperMatt> which reminds me, I should remove the dump from the public facing section of their site
[13:06] <SuperMatt> done
[13:07] <diddledan> hehe
[13:07] <diddledan> good idea
[13:16] <diddledan> my colleague is awesome for fun swears (bewarned this may be not family friendly): holy fecking smeg on a stick
[13:17]  * diddledan prepares for the paddling
[13:29]  * awilkins activates paddlebot
[13:29] <diddledan> 3000?
[13:36]  * DJones contemplates a 12.04 to 14.04 server upgrade
[13:36] <foobarry> is it possible to decrpy a pdf without brtueforce?
[13:36]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how many backups DJones has done
[13:36] <foobarry> decrypt*
[13:37] <awilkins> foobarry, There are decrypty programs that cost money that can do it instantly, apparently
[13:37] <DJones> Numerous, plus I've got a clone copy of the drive
[13:39] <awilkins> foobarry, Is it a file with restrictions, or a file with full encryption just to open it?
[14:15] <foobarry> awilkins: i think its ecnryption, but not sure
[14:16] <awilkins> foobarry, If it's full encryption then bruteforce...
[14:16] <awilkins> With varying degrees of GPU support
[14:17] <awilkins> Hah, there is a Ruby program called "God"
[14:17] <awilkins> Of all the groups of developers in the world, why am I not surprised...
[14:18] <foobarry> awilkins: i think the instant decrpyion might be encrpytion removal if you have the password.
[14:18] <foobarry> so that you can use without pw in future
[14:19] <awilkins> I think I meant the level that can strip document protection instantly
[14:48] <diddledan> is 1600 UTC/GMT another hour yet?
[14:49] <diddledan> I never did get to grips with timezones
[14:50] <awilkins> BST is currently in effect
[14:50] <awilkins> It's presently 1450 UTC
[14:50] <popey>  /exec -o date -u
[14:50] <popey> Mon Aug 18 14:50:23 UTC 2014
[14:50] <popey> ^ time now in utc
[14:50] <diddledan> thanks :-)
[14:51] <awilkins>  /exec -o echo Hmm?
[14:51] <popey> tells my irc client to run it on my server and echo the result here
[14:51] <awilkins> Bah
[14:51] <awilkins> :-)
[14:51] <awilkins> Just had a gripe about something similar
[14:52] <awilkins> Booted Windows on this machine last week and it set my RTC clock forward an hour
[14:52] <awilkins> I thought it was 1645
[14:52] <diddledan> ergh
[14:52] <diddledan> I hate windows for that
[14:52] <awilkins> Yeah, it's so annoying. And if you set the RTCIsUniversal flag the repercussions seem to get worse
[14:59] <foobarry> weechat 1.0 got released
[15:23] <diddledan> a bugging I will go, a bugging I will go. ee aye the adio, a bugging I will go
[15:24] <diddledan> #1358357
[15:24] <diddledan> where's ubottu?
[15:33] <popey> bug 1358357
[15:36] <diddledan> ooooh, I need "bug"
[15:52] <diddledan> is there any high-level overview of how apport works out whether a bug is duplicate or not?
[15:53] <diddledan> I just curio
[15:53] <diddledan> my bug ^^^^ just got unflagged as "need duplicate check" suggesting that there aren't any dupes of it in the system, but I wonder how it decides that
[15:54] <diddledan> must be pretty clever
[16:22] <awilkins> Stack trace?
[16:23] <foobarry> if a wine application can open a password protected pdf , would an strace of that app show the password getting used to open it?
[16:24] <awilkins> Surely you're entering the password if you're doing that?
[16:24] <foobarry> the app is used to view the pdfs
[16:24] <foobarry> but i wanna view them on android
[16:24] <foobarry> which doesn't have an app to view them
[16:25] <foobarry> i never see the password
[16:25] <awilkins> Is it even using the PDF mechanism of encryption or is it a PDF viewer and the PDFs are stored in some custom encrypted container?
[16:26] <foobarry> i think they are just encrypted pdfs
[16:26] <foobarry> pdfcrack is working on it
[16:26] <foobarry> but the universe might end first
[16:26] <awilkins> Might be possible if you can attach a Windows debugger to it and trap it properly
[16:26] <awilkins> Dunno about attaching debuggers to things in Wine
[16:27] <foobarry> i see the file getting opened in the strace
[16:28] <awilkins> Hmm, if the calls above it have the password in...
[16:28] <awilkins> But not necessarily, might open file then call another method that decrypts it
[16:28] <awilkins> Or maybe there#s a callback
[16:28] <awilkins> But good luck...
[16:29] <foobarry> yeah..think i'm chasing my tail
[17:54] <Guest72489> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2689278.htm
[17:54] <Guest72489> that just looks like a usb key to me?!
[17:55] <diddledan> second but of the day filed
[17:55] <diddledan> bug*
[17:55] <diddledan> this one got the private treatment tho
[17:55] <diddledan> I guess because it included a coredump
[17:57] <daftykins> diddledan: you messy blighter
[18:01] <diddledan> what else can I break?
[18:01]  * diddledan dumps all over your cores
[18:02] <diddledan> in soviet russia core dumps you
[18:04] <diddledan> and there's my racist comment of the day™
[18:08] <davmor2> mapps: what is amusing with that is it says 40in1 yet lists 5-6 even if you add read, write and format you only get to 15-18 :)
[18:16] <arsen> so im really struggling
[18:20] <daftykins> arsen: what's up sir?
[18:21] <arsen> i cant find a bag for my new mac i like :D
[18:21] <arsen> i think the booq cobra slim is the best but it's $$$
[18:21] <arsen> just wana carry it, an ipad, a magazine and the PSU and some bluetooth headphones, without looking like an ibm salesman
[18:21] <directhex> get a dell-branded laptop case
[18:21] <daftykins> you given my fave a go? http://www.crumpler.eu/
[18:21] <directhex> for irony
[18:22] <directhex> i have a timbuk2 from my last job
[18:22] <daftykins> hmm now how to get my old ion1 outputting 24-bit FLAC to my amp 8)
[18:22] <arsen> i had an old dell one actually, took it back to my old job because it took up too much space in my cupboard
[18:23] <daftykins> that's good of you to return stuff imo, too many freeloaders out there
[18:24] <arsen> .. i got a free PC and loads of free monitors.. :D
[18:24] <arsen> they didnt want any of it, but i dont want free junk just because its free
[18:24] <daftykins> XD
[18:27] <arsen> that's gona remain my linux pc :)
[18:27] <arsen> at home.
[18:40] <dvrr> how to update ubuntu 13.04 when i update apt-get i am getting  this problem  please open this url  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8081954/
[18:41] <daftykins> dvrr: the repos of raring (13.04) have been renamed due to the release going EOL
[18:41] <daftykins> !eol | dvrr
[18:41] <daftykins> dvrr: follow the last link above for how to upgrade, however i'd recommend backing up and clean installing 14.04 instead.
[18:42] <directhex> i've done a bunch of unsupported upgrades to 14.04 lately
[18:42] <directhex> e.g. 13.04, 12.10
[18:42] <daftykins> ah yeah, all gone swimmingly huh?
[18:45] <directhex> mmmm...... config file changes were the biggest pain
[18:45] <directhex> apache 2.4
[18:46] <daftykins> oh, what shindiggery have they changed?
[18:53] <jpds> daftykins: Something to do with ACL changes, I think.
[19:02] <arsen> http://www.brenthaven.com/fbx-live-feed/collins-slim-brief-indigo-chambray looks nice
[20:01] <popey> directhex: they're not unsupported
[20:02] <popey> oh, you mean EOL'ed ?
[20:02] <directhex> popey: upgrades from and 12.10, 13.04 to 14.04 are not supported
[20:03] <popey> i thought they explicitly were due to the short life of them
[20:03] <popey> i.e. we said we'd support upgrades from (releases between 12.04 and 14.04) to 14.04 because we made the EOL all complicated
[20:04] <popey> also, it depends what you mean by "supported ☻
[20:21] <Guest10053> hm
[20:21] <Guest10053> mustve got dc again
[20:22] <mapps> urgh flicked through channels 'celeb big brother' a susual total dross..
[20:52] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:53] <ThomasRedstone> hello, I'm having an odd problem with Ubuntu 14.04, when the computer has locked sometimes I'm having to enter my password twice before it unlocks, sometimes the password box isn't responsive right away, and just now I've entered my password and it hadn't gone into the password box, but instead it went to a web browser instead, and actually resulted in my password being broadcast on a GroupMe group!!!
[20:54] <ThomasRedstone> Where on earth do I start in addressing this? Is it a known bug? Or am I special?
[20:57] <popey> have you updated your machine recently
[20:57] <popey> these are two known bugs which have been fixed some weeks ago
[20:59] <jpds> ThomasRedstone: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[21:01] <ThomasRedstone> it's a brand new install
[21:01] <popey> so yeah, update it
[21:02] <popey> or open update manager and do the updates it wants to
[21:02] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:03] <ThomasRedstone> 14.04.1 LTS, going any updates required now
[21:05] <ThomasRedstone> no dist-upgrade required
[21:06] <ThomasRedstone> no packages to upgrade, fully up to date
[21:07] <bigcalm> And a reboot?
[21:07] <popey> ThomasRedstone: this was a 14.04.1 clean install?
[21:08] <ThomasRedstone> it's been rebooted in the last few hours
[21:09] <popey> can you run "apt-cache policy unity" and paste the result at paste.ubuntu.com
[21:11] <ThomasRedstone> the additional packages I've installed are quite limited: virtualbox, chrome, vagrant, brackets, sublime text, and x-chat gnome, and their dependencies.
[21:12] <ThomasRedstone> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8083062/
[21:13] <popey> ok, same as I have here.
[21:13] <popey> when was the last time your password leaked through the login screen?
[21:14] <popey> for what it's worth the workaround for the password issue is to click one of the indicators at the top right then click the password field to ensure it's highlighted.
[21:14] <popey> however it _should_ be fixed in the version you have installed
[21:15] <ThomasRedstone> about 5 minutes before I came here :-) - the window that has been in the background hasn't been one that would accept text in the past, so this is the first time I've realised it could be leaked
[21:15] <popey> If you have 5 minutes can you file a bug? I'll walk you through it.
[21:15] <popey> yeah, I've done the same!
[21:16] <ThomasRedstone> I'm wondering if Virtualbox has *something* to do with it, I've had times where I couldn't type in Ubuntu, and I seemed to be stuck on a VM, but this was the browser in Ubuntu that had focus
[21:16] <ThomasRedstone> sure, I'll file a bug
[21:16] <popey> do you have a launchpad account already?
[21:17] <popey> if so, just open a terminal and run "ubuntu-bug unity" and it will gather stuff and take you to launchpad to file the bug
[21:17] <popey> I filed bug 1306970 when it happened here
[21:17] <popey> but i'm told that's been fixed
[21:17] <popey> but if you're still getting it... maybe not
[21:18] <popey> best for you to file a new bug though
[21:18] <ThomasRedstone> okay, will do :-)
[21:19] <popey> thank you
[21:19] <popey> feel free to ping us the bug number when done.
[21:23] <ThomasRedstone> you have any problem with me borrowing your wording where it matches?
[21:24] <bigcalm> popey: is your bitfolk vps 64bit?
[21:25] <ThomasRedstone> asking "Do any of the following bugs describe the bug you're trying to report?" I'm not quite sure how to answer that one :-P it gives your bug :-)
[21:28] <popey> hehe
[21:28] <popey> say no, file a new one
[21:30] <popey> bigcalm: no
[21:33] <bigcalm> popey: okay, thanks
[21:34] <bigcalm> Think I might move my bytemark vps to their bigv cloud thing. Was considering bitfolk, but I need 64bit now
[21:35] <popey> why do you need 64-bit?
[21:37] <bigcalm> I can't be doing with the faff of getting gitlab to install of 32bit
[21:37] <bigcalm> I'll be saving money wherever I go, so having 64bit makes one option more attractive than another
[21:38] <ThomasRedstone> "This bug is a security vulnerability" - I'd say yes, but perhaps not in the way the question means, what do you think popey?
[21:38] <popey> I'd say yes
[21:44] <ThomasRedstone> Okay, it's filed, the bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1358504
[21:46] <popey> thanks ThomasRedstone
[21:56] <ThomasRedstone> no problem popey :-)
[21:58] <bigcalm> A further 2h 20m on this database import - think I'll be leaving my laptop on over night
[22:06] <ThomasRedstone> a bit of a general question, has anyone else found the *buntu distributions less 'complete' (best word I can think of for it) than Ubuntu? I tried out Lubuntu, and things like handling multiple monitors were less smooth than Ubuntu
[22:34] <hamitron> ThomasRedstone, sure, but they are more complete than a minimal install ;)
[22:44] <ThomasRedstone> I guess so, I wanted something fast, to go on my new SSD, but as it turns out, Ubuntu is plenty fast enough :-) as I'm doing a lot of work in VMs, thought minimalistic would be fine, but it turns out the hardware management side is more of a deal breaker :-)
[23:26] <Andrew_> Hello all.
[23:26] <Andrew_> I am a new Unbutu user, and I am unable to use my dvd drive.
[23:26] <Andrew_> I am hoping I will find help here.
[23:27] <Andrew_> Is there someone here?
[23:27] <Azelphur> !elaborate | Andrew_
[23:27] <Azelphur> also, Ubuntu :)
[23:28] <Andrew_> I do not know enough to elaborate.
[23:28] <Andrew_> I only know that the computer seems to see the dvd drive, and yet tells me that there is no media.
[23:29] <Azelphur> is it possible that the dvd you have put in is damaged? have you tried a different DVD?
[23:29] <Andrew_> The drive itself works. Of this I'm sure.
[23:29] <Andrew_> Also, I have used three discs.
[23:30] <Andrew_> I have followed many directions on websites and run the recommended terminal commands, with no change.
[23:30] <Azelphur> Andrew_: try putting the disk in the drive and try to mount it, then run dmesg in a terminal, it may provide additoinal information
[23:30] <Andrew_> Beyond placing the dvd in the drive, I do not know how to mount it.
[23:31] <Andrew_> This is incredibly frustrating for me, as I am comptia A+ and MCP, and yet I am totally stumped by this new OS.
[23:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:32] <Azelphur> Andrew_: I've never heard of a dvd drive not working ootb, it's strange that you'd have issues
[23:33] <Andrew_> I am certain that the OS sees the drive itself. Yet, all discs tried show as having no media.
[23:36] <Andrew_> I truly do not know what to do.
[23:36] <Azelphur> Andrew_: did you miss my suggestion earlier?
[23:37] <Andrew_> I am unsure how to mount a disc once I have placed it in the drive.
[23:37] <Azelphur> Andrew_: just open the file browser and click on it, that'll mount it
[23:37] <Azelphur> (or at least try to)
[23:37] <Andrew_> Click on what?
[23:38] <Azelphur> the DVD drive
[23:38] <Andrew_> I see no indication of a DVD drive.
[23:38] <Azelphur> that's odd
[23:39] <Azelphur> Andrew_: does /dev/cdrom exist?
[23:39] <Andrew_> Only by using the power button and searching for "DVD", then selecting "Disks", am I able to see an indication of the dvd drive, which is properly IDed.
[23:41] <Andrew_> dev/cdrom is unfound
[23:41] <Azelphur> Andrew_: can you paste the output of ls /dev/ ?
[23:42] <Andrew_> I am unsure of your request.
[23:42] <Azelphur> run ls /dev/ in a terminal
[23:42] <Azelphur> and then put the results on pastebin
[23:43] <Andrew_> autofs           net                 sdb       tty24  tty56      ttyS29 block            network_latency     sdc       tty25  tty57      ttyS3 bsg              network_throughput  sdd       tty26  tty58      ttyS30 btrfs-control    null                sde       tty27  tty59      ttyS31 bus              nvidia0             sg0       tty28  tty6       ttyS4 char             nvidiactl           sg1       tty29  tty60      ttyS5 conso
[23:44] <Andrew_> Again, I am in my second day of linux. I am unaware of pastebin.
[23:44] <Azelphur> !pastebin
[23:44] <Azelphur> fine for one line to just paste it in the channel, though :)
[23:45] <Azelphur> Andrew_: do you have 2 optical drives?
[23:45] <Andrew_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8083992/
[23:45] <Andrew_> I have 1 drive.
[23:45] <Azelphur> strange, I wonder what sg0 and sg1 are
[23:45] <Andrew_> Have I shown you the proper url?
[23:45] <Azelphur> yup
[23:46] <Azelphur> ah, that output wasn't anywhere near complete :P
[23:46] <Andrew_> Regardless of whether or not my issue will be resolved, I thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.
[23:46] <Azelphur> I imagine your drive is sr0
[23:46] <Andrew_> I ran the terminal command you gave me, and that is the completed output
[23:47] <Azelphur> Andrew_: I mean when you pasted it in IRC, it was truncated, the pastebin link contains the full output :)
[23:47] <Azelphur> so yea, your dvd drive is sr0, which means the system is seeing it ok, one step in the right direction
[23:48] <Andrew_> Yes, I am certain that the OS sees the drive.
[23:48] <Andrew_> As a windows user, my first thought is drivers.
[23:48] <Azelphur> nah, if it's in /dev it's not a driver issue
[23:48] <Andrew_> Alright.
[23:48] <Azelphur> I wonder if the file browser is just having a funny to be honest, is there a disk in the drive?
[23:49] <Andrew_> Yes.
[23:49] <Azelphur> sudo mkdir /media/cdrom
[23:49] <Azelphur> sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom
[23:49] <Azelphur> what does that get you? ^
[23:50] <Andrew_> 5sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom
[23:50] <Andrew_> mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0
[23:50] <Azelphur> It's saying there's no disk in the drive
[23:50] <Azelphur> Is there a disk in the drive?
[23:50] <Andrew_> Yes.
[23:51] <Azelphur> Andrew_: what makes you sure that the DVD drive is functional?
[23:51] <Andrew_> A dvd with avi and jpg and more.
[23:51] <Andrew_> It worked without fail in the hours prior to installing ubuntu
[23:51] <Andrew_> While running on windows.
[23:51] <Azelphur> ah, I see
[23:52] <Andrew_> I ran a series of terminal commands ealier regarding codecs, as recommending by ubuntu forums, with no change.
[23:53] <Azelphur> codecs? that shouldn't solve anything if it's not got a medium in the drive according to mount
[23:53] <Azelphur> xD
[23:54] <Andrew_> I have no more ideas for search paramaters to find the solution.
[23:54] <Azelphur> Andrew_: me eiither, might be worth asking again tomorrow at a more sane hour
[23:55] <Azelphur> more people will about then to help :)
[23:55] <Andrew_> I fear that linux may be beyond my skills, and will consider returning to windows.
[23:55] <Andrew_> Thank you for you help.
[23:55] <Azelphur> Andrew_: if you're a windows power user, tbh it's usually better to at least dual boot to start with.
[23:55] <daftykins> does your system have two drives?
[23:55] <Andrew_> No.
[23:55] <Azelphur> it's hard switching from Windows to Linux :)
[23:55] <Andrew_> The only problem I am having is with this disc drive.
[23:56] <daftykins> Andrew_: would you mind running "dmesg | pastebinit" ?
[23:56] <daftykins> looks like Azelphur took you the logical route anyway, but just curious
[23:57] <Azelphur> daftykins: ah yea good catch, I asked for dmesg earlier but forgot to push for it :P
[23:57] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:57] <Andrew_> I have run the command, but the lengt is long, and I cannot copy it entirely.
[23:58] <daftykins> Andrew_: you need to type exactly "dmesg | pastebinit"
[23:58] <Azelphur> Andrew_: do what daftykins said, it automatically puts it on pastebin and gives you the URL
[23:58] <daftykins> it will then only return ^
[23:59] <Andrew_> I have to install pastebin first
[23:59] <Azelphur> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:59] <Andrew_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8084100/
[23:59] <Andrew_> correct?