[05:15] <nuvolari> o/
[05:16] <nuvolari> morning oom kil<tab> :/
[05:16] <nuvolari> hi Tonberry 
[05:50] <Kilos> morning all
[05:51] <Kilos> hi bduk1  
[05:51] <bduk1> More almal en Kilos was die verlof lekker Kilos ?
[05:52] <Kilos> watter verlof bduk1  ?
[05:53] <bduk1> Ek weet nie jy was so lank stile ek dag jys oorsee of iewers
[05:54] <Kilos> ek is dan elke dag hier 
[05:54] <Kilos> ai!
[05:54] <Kilos> ons praat net minetest goed op die minetest kanaal
[05:55] <bduk1> neeman daar was so tydjie wat ek jou nie gesien het nie maar welkom terug
[05:55] <Kilos>   #minetest-za
[05:55] <Kilos> haha nee man dis die dae toe jy nie mooi wakker was nie
[05:56] <bduk1> ok 
[05:56] <Kilos> hi Cantide  
[05:56] <Cantide> hello '-'/
[05:56] <Cantide> how is Kilos ?
[05:56] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[05:57] <Cantide> i'm okay '-'
[05:57] <Cantide> first day back at work today after vacation
[05:57] <Cantide> meh :p
[05:57] <Cantide> but it's going well so far
[05:57] <Kilos> ah
[05:57] <Kilos> good
[05:58] <Cantide> i found a hackerspace here, but i've yet to visit it
[05:58] <Cantide> going to buy some equipment soon - soldering iron, multimeter etc.
[05:58] <Kilos> what you want to build
[05:59] <Cantide> first a nixie tube clock
[05:59] <Cantide> then a hexapod robot..
[05:59] <Cantide> then i'm not sure
[05:59] <Kilos> my weller soldering station packed up, i nearly fell on my back when i saw todays prices
[05:59] <Cantide> ._.
[06:00] <Cantide> yeah... stuff is expensive
[06:00] <Cantide> I'm lucky I'm earning won else i wouldn't be getting these things
[06:00] <Kilos> to buy here in za though is impossible
[06:00] <Cantide> yeah
[06:01] <Cantide> order online
[06:01] <Cantide> amazon, ebay etc.
[06:01] <Cantide> but, as you said, expensive :/
[06:01] <Kilos> na i just stop soldering things
[06:02] <Cantide> .____.
[06:09] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you psychic? :-o
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> or does znc announce i reconnected and i just don't realise?
[06:21] <Kilos> haha no konversation shows the nicks not grayed out anymore
[06:23] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos :)
[06:23] <nuvolari> hi Cantide, ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:23] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[06:23] <nuvolari> en bduk1 
[06:24] <Kilos> ek weet nie waar apie is nie so staan reg vir meet stoel op die 26
[06:24] <nuvolari> ¯
[06:24] <nuvolari> eh?
[06:24] <nuvolari> 29th
[06:24] <nuvolari> *6
[06:24] <Kilos> yip
[06:24] <nuvolari> whokom is my kalender altyd 'n week vroeg?
[06:25] <Kilos> seker japanese kalender
[06:31] <Kilos> morning drussell  
[06:32] <Kilos> good and you?
[07:07] <Kilos> uh oh where the pro
[07:07] <Kilos> govt servers crashed again
[07:14] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[07:15] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:15] <charl> good morning
[07:15] <Kilos> hi charl  
[07:15] <charl> hi Kilos, superfly 
[07:15] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:15]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:16] <superfly> hi charl
[07:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:21] <charl> Maaz: danke
[07:21] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:48] <charl> why the heck does ubuntu server have ntpd running by default
[08:48] <charl> sounds like ddos-bait to me
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> well that depends on whether the default config leaves it vulnerable to being used in amplification attacks
[09:12] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah i haven't gone and tested it thoroughly but it just sounds bad having something like that listening on any port by default
[09:12] <charl> i actually expect that by default there would be no ports open on any external interface whatsoever
[09:12] <charl> strictly localhost only
[09:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes that's what i meant
[09:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> just used less words :P
[09:14] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za  Squirm  
[09:54] <Kilos> wb inetpro  Mzolisto  plustwo  what did you guys break?
[10:04] <superfly> inetpro: you might be interested in this: http://jezebel.com/mom-develops-app-so-kids-cant-ignore-calls-from-parents-1623095898
[10:04] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: and you, in a few years time :-P ^^
[10:18] <alphaG> goodday
[10:19] <alphaG> is it possible to connect ubuntu machine to windows ad-hoc network?
[10:28] <Kilos> hi alphaG  
[10:31] <alphaG> hi sir Kilos
[10:31] <Kilos> what does google tell you, i dont know about ad-hoc stuff
[10:32] <alphaG> tells me a lot 
[10:32] <Kilos> what is the prob?
[10:32] <alphaG> too much to go thru
[10:32] <Kilos> lol
[10:32] <alphaG> head hurts
[10:32] <Kilos> explain it in english not geek and lets see what we can work out
[10:32] <alphaG> I usually adhoc my laptop to my desktop
[10:33] <Kilos> for internet connection?
[10:33] <alphaG> but now I'm running ubuntu so I habe no clue how to adhoc to desktop so figuring it out 
[10:33] <alphaG> no file sharing
[10:33] <alphaG> no internet.
[10:33] <Kilos> oh
[10:34] <Kilos> ive used a thing
[10:34] <Kilos> lemme think
[10:34] <alphaG> iwana know if it possible without needing add on downloads
[10:34] <alphaG> if so then I got wait agn
[10:38] <Kilos> you mean something like teanviewer
[10:38] <Kilos> teamviewer
[10:38] <inetpro> ai tog 
[10:39] <Kilos> i think i used remmina and control a win7 pc completely
[10:39] <inetpro> good mornings guys 
[10:39] <Kilos> wb inetpro  
[10:40] <inetpro> Kilos: hi, what time did I go offline? 
[10:40] <Kilos> ya remmina is a remote desktop client, is that what you need
[10:40] <Kilos> 08.36 inetpro  
[10:43] <Kilos> alphaG  you gonna have to download it and dependancies when you get online
[10:43] <Kilos> and did you get that app that finds dependancies
[10:44] <Kilos> called apt-rdepends
[10:46] <alphaG> nope but thanx for always helping
[10:46] <alphaG> when I'm connected agn ill be less lastag 
[10:47] <alphaG> coz all the answers r on google
[10:48] <alphaG> advice here's more refined appreciate it.
[10:48] <Kilos> its when you connected that its easier to help
[10:49] <alphaG> yeah and easier to help oneself
[10:49] <Kilos> also when someone asks here others can see the result as well
[10:50] <alphaG> kewl
[10:51] <alphaG> laters. have a good day
[10:51] <Kilos> you too
[11:15] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[11:25] <Kilos> yw sir
[11:40] <charl> i often use rdesktop to rdp to windows servers
[11:40] <charl> for work, of course :)
[11:40] <charl> i don't run any windows servers privately
[11:41] <Kilos> ai! charl  hes gone already
[11:43] <charl> he used to "adhoc" his laptop to his desktop
[11:43] <charl> good way of formulating the problem :)
[11:44] <Kilos> well when he pops in again please help him, im out of my depth with that kind of stuff
[11:44] <charl> ok
[11:45] <charl> if i'm around :)
[11:45] <Kilos> ill ping you
[11:45] <Kilos> its bad me trying to help peeps that know more than i do
[12:12] <inetpro> superfly: interesting link above, hope I never need to go that far :-)
[12:16] <charl> lol inetpro 
[12:16] <charl> saw this link earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXV-yaFmQNk
[12:21] <superfly> inetpro: we've implemented a "no devices at the dinner table" rule... both the Mrs and I are guilty
[12:21] <Kilos> haha
[12:21] <inetpro> eish! :-)
[12:22] <inetpro> good rule but useless if you don't stick to it yourself :-)
[12:23] <superfly> inetpro: it was for us, not for the kids (they're not really old enough yet)
[12:24] <inetpro> they grow up quicker than you think, setting the example is key
[12:25] <inetpro> the dinner table is the best place for healthy conversation
[12:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:27] <Trixar_za> Hey, it works
[12:27] <Trixar_za> Kilos: I found a way to minimize fall damage down 'quick tunnels'
[12:28] <Trixar_za> Since it's only one block thick, you can put torches in there, then have three blocks worth of water on top of the torch - it holds the water in place
[12:28] <Kilos> lol
[12:28] <inetpro> yikes! He also playing the game?
[12:29] <Kilos> its very addictive
[12:29] <Trixar_za> As you fall, you fall through the water layers and it slows you down. Then you just have a four block water tunnel at the bottom and whamo - instant way down with zero damage. Ok, I did get damage, but only half a heart :P
[12:29] <Kilos> ive already used 69mB data today fighting lava
[12:29] <inetpro> don't tell; me about addictive... hate to admit that even I started playing
[12:30] <inetpro> Trixar_za: join #minetest-za
[13:04] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I play, but more on my local server - it's way too heavy over an external one - my connection can't keep up
[14:19] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[14:20] <magespawn> my xchat seems broken
[14:23] <magespawn> does not get past ident checking
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> isn't xchat abandoned?
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> replaced with hexchat IIRC
[14:25] <inetpro> there used to be two versions of xchat as well, one of them was no good
[14:25] <Kilos> use hexchat magespawn  
[14:26] <Kilos> they have stopped suppost as far as i know
[14:26] <inetpro> ai!
[14:26] <Kilos> or install konveration
[14:26] <inetpro> konversation
[14:26] <Kilos> wat ai! jy nou weer inetpro  
[14:27] <Kilos> ya that
[14:27] <inetpro> what kind of support do you need?
[14:27] <Kilos> xchat used to be lekker man then on 14.04 it didnt work
[14:28] <inetpro> guess the developers lost interest and no longer upgraded together with ubuntu?
[14:28] <inetpro> or linux as a whole
[14:28] <inetpro> I mean even the kernel is growing all the time
[14:29] <magespawn> okay ty
[14:29] <Kilos> tell me how do you make konversation show highlighted lines in old logs
[14:29] <inetpro> new kernel, new testing and potential updates needed
[14:30] <Kilos> thats where hexchat is far better
[14:30] <Kilos> not logs actually but scroll backs 
[14:31] <inetpro> Kilos: CTrl+R ?
[14:32] <Kilos> lemme see
[14:32] <magespawn> there we go
[14:32] <Kilos> nope scroll backs are all kinda grey
[14:33] <inetpro> oh no, I misread.... thought you were talking about that line
[14:33] <magespawn> brb
[14:34] <Kilos> no if i have to restart konversation for some reason everything said before loses the highlighting
[14:34] <inetpro> I see there's still xchat and then there's xchat-gnome
[14:34] <Kilos> xchat-gnome always sucked
[14:35] <inetpro> latest news for xchat is 28-Aug-2010
[14:35] <Kilos> ya they gave up and went to make money from windows peeps i think
[14:35] <inetpro> yep, that gnome vs unity war probably all part of the problem
[14:35] <Kilos> i really liked xchat
[14:36] <Kilos> i havent been to unity for going on 2 weeks now
[14:36] <inetpro> KDE is still the best for consistency
[14:36] <Kilos> you finally got your way
[14:38] <inetpro> but then, who wants to keep using irc when there's facebook, whatsapp and all the others?
[14:40] <Kilos> eish
[14:40] <Kilos> we do man
[14:41] <Kilos> the lug peeps seem to like G+
[14:42] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[14:44]  * nuvolari poing
[14:45] <inetpro> more and more communication is happening in isolation
[14:45] <inetpro> sad reality
[14:45] <charl> good afternoon
[14:45] <inetpro> hi charl
[14:45] <Kilos> gaan jy en una in convoy af kaap to seun
[14:45] <charl> strange that lug people would like g+ i would have expected the opposite
[14:45] <charl> hi inetpro :)
[14:46] <charl> same goes for facebook and whatsapp
[14:46] <Kilos> the whole of durbs lug are on g+ and only one comes here
[14:46] <charl> very strange
[14:46] <charl> goes completely against expectation :D
[14:47] <Kilos> and g+ uses daya i can rather use on gaming hehe
[14:47] <Kilos> data
[14:48] <Kilos> inetpro  put on the thinking cap
[14:48] <Kilos> the one that works
[14:48] <Kilos> and figure how we gonna trim data usage
[14:48] <Kilos> dont say stay offline
[14:49] <charl> don't trim data usage, get better internet !
[14:49] <charl> if they keep stealing the cables get good wifi
[14:49] <charl> long-distance
[14:49] <charl> then you can play lots of games and download video off the internet, i don't even have a tv in europe
[14:49] <charl> iptv is really standard here
[14:52] <inetpro> Kilos: haha no worries, I still maintain that irc is still the most efficient and effective tool for collaborating in a distributed team of like-minded individuals
[15:08] <Kilos> ai! i think the stupid hdmi stole my sound again and dunno where i found it and made it go back to analog goodie
[15:13] <Kilos> wbb searching for sound
[15:15] <magespawn> bbl cheers all
[15:45] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 wbb
[15:49] <Kilos> grrrrr
[16:26] <Kilos> charl  ive looked at wifi and found that we are over 50 metres below the nearest wifi spot with a hill in between as well. cant afford that kind of tower
[16:26] <Kilos> nearest place was about 15 ks away i think
[16:28] <Kilos> i even bought a wifi card for the pc and built a wifi yagi but before i surveyed the terrain between us and the hotspot thing
[16:29] <inetpro> ai! 
[16:29] <Kilos> my internet connection is good but expensive if you want to game online
[16:29] <inetpro> kilos and his wifi mission again? 
[16:30] <Kilos> haha no i gave up and gave wifi stuff to ian
[16:31] <inetpro> wug is not wifi, but let me not start that debate all over again 
[16:31] <Kilos> where you see wug?
[16:32] <Kilos> the wug peeps want too much for their kit
[16:32] <Kilos> and also will need a tall mast
[16:34] <inetpro> ai
[17:00] <inetpro> Kilos: have you tried speedometer?
[17:02] <inetpro> aptitude install speedometer
[17:03] <inetpro> to measure and display the rate of data across a network connection 
[17:04] <inetpro> to start monitoring do: 
[17:04] <inetpro> speedometer -r wlan0 -t wlan0
[17:05] <inetpro> r = RX = receive
[17:05] <inetpro> t = TX = transmit
[17:05] <inetpro> wlan0 is my interface, yours is probably ppp0
[17:07] <charl> i don't know spedometer but i ususally use bwm-ng
[17:07] <charl> great terminal-based tool
[17:08] <charl> afaik wug's do mostly make use of 802.11-something meaning it is technically wifi
[17:08] <charl> but not the type of wifi most people understand, as in a local wireless internet connection
[17:08] <charl> and besides, most wugs don't directly provide internet access in any case, in principle it's a closed network
[17:18] <Kilos> inetpro  mineis wwan on the telkom modem no more ppp0
[17:18] <Kilos> and i see rec and tx on iftop
[17:19] <Kilos> i dont want to see how fast data is disappearing i want to slow it down
[17:20] <Kilos> wwan0
[17:20] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[17:44] <inetpro> Kilos: you can see the usage in a nice graph to see see exactly what is causing data to flow 
[17:44] <Kilos> oh lemme try that then
[17:44] <inetpro> a text based graph
[17:45] <inetpro> but essentially the same as the network widget on KDE
[17:47] <Kilos> what network widget
[17:47] <inetpro> not precisely exactly but it could give you more of an idea 
[17:47] <inetpro> Kilos: network monitor
[17:48] <Kilos> oh
[17:48] <Kilos> here is my command
[17:48] <Kilos> speedometer -r wwan0 -t wwan0\
[17:48] <Kilos> no \
[17:50] <Kilos> inetpro  tom,jerry, erik agesin order?
[17:50] <Kilos> sjoe no spaces     it works still
[17:50] <inetpro> ai! 
[17:51] <Kilos> what ai!
[17:53] <inetpro> sounds like you want to say something about tom, dick and harry? :-)
[17:53] <Kilos> well disney made them when
[17:54] <Kilos> 60, 
[18:06] <magespawn> good evning
[18:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:10] <magespawn> i really need to update my calenders, i still have the meeting as Monday night
[18:10] <inetpro> magespawn: Tuesday next week anyway
[18:11] <magespawn> so i see from the channel message
[18:11] <magespawn> so way ahead of time 
[18:12] <inetpro> you're still welcome as always :-)
[18:30] <magespawn> well, thank you kind sir
[18:31] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <magespawn> so if i am trying to set up a vpn, i presume that it would make sense to have the vpn server hosted rather than on my adsl?
[18:43] <Kilos> sjoe you need to be patient magespawn  replies have got very slow here
[18:43] <Kilos> charl  help here
[18:43] <magespawn> no worries Kilos 
[18:43] <charl> hi Kilos 
[18:43] <charl> hi magespawn 
[18:43] <magespawn> i am also busy reading the documentation 
[18:43] <magespawn> hi charl
[18:44] <Kilos> charl  can you help magespawn  
[18:44] <charl> looking
[18:44] <charl> magespawn what exactly do you want to achieve with this vpn
[18:44] <charl> you can of course have a vpn hosted on your dsl if you want
[18:45] <charl> you will need either a static ip or dynamic dns to host anything though
[18:45] <magespawn> i want to have access to resources inside the private network from else where, the boss wants to watch the video cameras on the property specifically, but it will also help if i can use it to look after the pc and networks
[18:46] <magespawn> i have dynamic dns setup but the one isp we use as a back up seems to block most of the traffic
[18:46] <charl> ok so you want to run the vpn server on your corporate network
[18:46] <charl> and you want to connect to it remotely
[18:46] <magespawn> yup
[18:46] <charl> do you have a business dsl account ?
[18:47] <magespawn> i have 5 locations that i want to access
[18:47] <magespawn> yes
[18:47] <magespawn> uncapped unshaped
[18:47] <charl> because this is a regular business service (vpn) so get in touch with the isp and ask them to unblock it
[18:47] <charl> blocking vpn on a business account is plain retard
[18:48] <magespawn> except for the one property that is currently on the back radio link till the new adsl is installed in hluhluwe town
[18:48] <magespawn> i have remote access through dyn dns on all the properties except that one when it is on the back up link
[18:49] <charl> easiest is to run one vpn server per locatino
[18:49] <charl> location
[18:49] <charl> but of course you can also try to link all the locations together in one big virtual network using vpns
[18:49] <charl> that is a bit more tricky and you have to understand routing
[18:49] <charl> but then you are all on one big network across the various locations which makes doing things super simple
[18:50] <magespawn> that is what i thought would work best, there are cameras at every property the boss likes to watch
[18:50] <charl> yeah
[18:50] <charl> well make sure you understand subnetting and routing very well
[18:50] <magespawn> so then the vpn server would be best hosted, right?
[18:50] <charl> because you are operating on layer 3 here and not all protocols (especially microsoft crap) works perfect through layer 3 devices
[18:51] <charl> like netbios etc
[18:51] <magespawn> well no time like the present to learn
[18:51] <charl> but if you are operating on IP only then you shouldn't have any problems
[18:51] <charl> make sure you run different ip ranges on each site
[18:51] <charl> that is critical
[18:52] <magespawn> i would also like to tie all the asterisk servers together at some point, so all calls are internal
[18:52] <charl> you know tap/tun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUN/TAP
[18:52] <magespawn> charl that should not be too much of a problem, just have to be careful and methodical
[18:53] <charl> you don't even need openvpn you can use openssh if you want
[18:53] <charl> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/VPN_over_SSH
[18:54] <charl> if your gateway devices are all running linux you can simply let them ssh to each other in a star configuration
[18:54] <charl> and then channel the traffic over tap/tun+ssh
[18:54] <charl> then you end up with a highly secure and efficient situation
[18:55] <charl> you might find you even get some compression through ssh
[18:55] <magespawn> i like the sound of that
[18:55] <charl> you should even have perfect ipv6 support then
[18:55] <charl> cause openvpn's ipv6 support is shaky
[18:55] <charl> i should say
[18:55] <charl> last i used it, but that was some years ago
[18:55] <magespawn> Lots more reading to do 
[18:56] <charl> openssh has absolutely no problem with ipv6 though
[18:56] <charl> i'm off ttyl
[18:58] <magespawn> later
[19:02] <Kilos> later then magespawn  
[19:03] <magespawn> Kilos i was talking to charl
[19:03] <Kilos> oh sorry, too much to read there
[19:22] <magespawn> no worries
[19:40] <magespawn> now i am off, good night all and Kilos
[20:22] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[20:22]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[20:32] <charl> hi Kilos 
[20:32] <charl> i'm still around although almost in bed
[20:33] <Kilos> lol
[20:33] <Kilos> i was told about some money thing yesterday
[20:33] <Kilos> moremoney i think its called
[20:34] <Kilos> will find out tomorrow again
[20:34] <Kilos> looks like thats where everyone is heading
[20:34] <Kilos> no cash and banks have min say or something
[20:52] <charl> ???
[20:52] <charl> ok interesting
[20:55] <charl> i'm off nn all
[21:59] <Kilos> night you night owls. sleep tight