/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/19/#kubuntu-devel.txt

soeegood morning06:07
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Riddelljmux: limux on slashdot today :(09:00
valorieI heard a rumor about that -- is it true? or partly true?09:05
davmor2this looks remarkably like a story that was run a year or 2 back and never happened09:07
valoriesucks that it's on /. whether or not there is any truth to it09:09
Riddellnah there's been more politics recently, the mayor has grumped a bit, it's delayed the sprint announcement for a while09:09
valorie:(09:09
alketi think they won't reveret, it took them 10 years just to switch09:11
alketthey say they have problems with ODT format , don't they know they also can save as .doc ?09:14
Riddellthe UK government just changed to ODT09:15
Riddell(or say they will, will be interesting to see how much that works in practice)09:16
valoriealket: lots of people don't know that, and don't know about different formats09:16
valoriewhatever the default is, is how they save09:17
jmuxRiddell: we even made it to Slashdot. Guess the new major will be happy. 09:17
jmuxFor me it's just an iteration from the last stuff. The major complains, but doesn't show any facts. The complete city council calls him nuts, even his own fraction09:17
jmuxThe quote from his own it expert was (translated): It's just the opinion of a single lawyer.09:18
alketvalorie: yeah , and I don't know why citizens would need the editing format, my government sends pdf-s only09:18
jmuxRemeber how long it tok me to get the hackfest / BSP stuff together - why couldn't all this politics not happen a week later09:19
yofel_valorie: office ofc. makes that really great by allowing you to save to ODT but with default fonts and settings that are licensed and thus usually not included in free software (so even if you save to ODF, your documents still need MS office)09:19
yofel_why do I have a tail..09:19
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valoriethank goodness I've not used ms office for over 10 years09:20
valorieas soon as I could get open office in windows I did09:20
valorieeven before switching to linux09:20
valorieexcept for helping kids with homework on the windows machines09:21
jmuxvalorie: Well - the most important fonts are free: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ttf-mscorefonts-installer09:21
valorieoh gosh it's late09:23
* valorie goes to bed09:23
valorieniters all09:23
jmuxYou could even use their free replacements for Times, Arial and Courier. They almost look the same, but more import they are metrically compatible.09:24
Riddellallee: digikam looking good to me, shall I upload?09:51
alleeRiddell: great.  Yes, please upload.  Thx09:52
Riddellallee: uploaded!  I'm sure there's more you can help with if you want to get back into the swing of it :)10:06
lordievaderGood afternoon.10:55
BluesKajHiyas all10:55
Riddellhi lordievader, BluesKaj: either of you able to help test 4.14?10:56
BluesKajRiddell, 4.13.97 ?10:57
lordievaderRiddell: I'm sorry. I'm at my parents, without the means to test software.10:59
RiddellBluesKaj: 4.14 is in ninjas11:01
Riddelllordievader: get them to help out too :)11:01
lordievaderRiddell: Hehe, you wish. My mother isn't really what you call tech savvy :P11:02
Riddellexactly, the best sort of tester11:04
soeeRiddell: ninjas ppa pls ?11:06
soeealso it if for utopic/plasma5 ?11:06
Riddellsoee: it's KDE SC 411:08
Riddellit's for utopic and trusty11:08
davmor2H0neypie11:08
davmor2I'll be changing that password then11:08
Riddellquick!11:08
Riddelland there was me thinking you were just talking about me :(11:09
davmor2how the hell did that type in here when the password dialogue has focus.....11:09
davmor2does some digging11:09
davmor2Riddell: Oh sweetie don't get upset I still love you ;)11:10
Riddellnow you can change it to J0nathanTheAwesome11:10
Riddellor better, use some spaces11:11
Riddellunless it's something really secure like a bank or paypal which doesn't let you use spaces, cos that would be too difficult for them11:11
davmor2No I changed it to Hunter2 nobody will get that11:11
Riddellshadeslayer_: alive today or still coming down from all the drugs?11:12
davmor2just as well this irc hides passwords right so you didn't know I changed it to Hunter2 :)11:12
Riddellhmm, should we change to cmake 3?11:21
Riddellit's in experimental11:21
yofeldebfx can probably answer that best11:21
debfxRiddell: it breaks some packages11:22
debfxhttps://people.debian.org/~fgeyer/cmake-3.0/STATUS has the details11:22
davmor2Riddell: I wish people didn't call it cmake,  you see the c you see the ake and then they spoil it with the m and you're still left looking for the cake11:23
debfxmostly applies to Ubuntu as well11:23
Riddellthanks debfx, I think hedgewars alone there makes that a critical issue11:27
Riddelldebfx: was looking because I wanted a cmake 3.0 feature for plasma but I guess I'll keep it at 2.8 compatible11:31
debfxdavmor2: don't you know that the cake is a lie? those hidden cakely clues are just a distraction.11:32
debfxyeah I think it's a bit early to start depending on 3.011:32
ahoneybunRiddell: how do we get 4.14?11:39
yofelahoneybun: it's in ninjas, do you have access to that?11:46
ahoneybunmaybe is it the link on the top of the irc client?11:47
ahoneybunhttps://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas?11:47
yofelahoneybun: nope, go to https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archivesubscriptions - click on View at the right and you'll get the apt url11:50
yofeland install apt-transport-https and ca-certificates before adding it11:50
ahoneybunbefore adding those to the source.list?11:51
yofelyep, otherwise apt will be rather unhappy11:51
ahoneybunalso is it ok if I stick with trusty or should I upgrade?11:51
yofelnah, we need the backports tested too11:52
ahoneybunalso it seems I have those already :)11:53
ahoneybunyofel: should I uninstall nonfree drivers?11:54
yofelif that's necessary then something's broken...11:55
soee_Riddell: smooth upgrade on utopic, one warning from apport: update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match apport Default-Stop values (none)11:55
ahoneybunyofel: I'm saying before hand11:59
yofelwell, all I can say that nothing should break, if it does we have a problem. No upgrade should ever require you do switch drivers12:00
yofel(unless you intentionally use something like x edgers or so)12:00
BluesKajI'm totally out of the loop on the ninjas ppa it looks like I''l stay that way... doesn't look too healthy for Utopic12:01
ahoneybunyofel: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B2C30B9A0945A8E212:03
yofelahoneybun: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com B2C30B9A0945A8E212:04
ahoneybunyofel: upgrading now12:07
BluesKajyofel, got url for 4.14 other than ubuntu one?12:09
yofelBluesKaj: ubuntu one? ninjas is the one from private-ppa.launchpad.net12:11
BluesKajyofel, that last url you posted for ahoneybun directed me to ubuntu one login of which I'm not a member12:12
yofelah, that's his page anyway. I usually prefer giving people their own passwords - but if you don't have a launchpad account I can give you mine12:13
BluesKajI have a launchpad account, just can't seem to find the right ninja ppa12:14
yofelwhat's your launchpad id?12:16
BluesKajyofel, my nick12:18
yofelBluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~blueskaj/+archivesubscriptions should have the PPA now12:19
jmuxRiddell: I was just told that I should redirect all inquires regarding LiMux to our PR office: presseamt@muenchen.de :)12:21
* jmux just got a mail from a chief reporter of TechRepublic... which I'll redirect as requested12:23
BluesKajyofel, nm, not allowed that info , page is private12:24
yofelBluesKaj: well, you'll have to log in..12:25
sgclarkgood morning12:25
yofelmoin scarlett12:25
BluesKajyofel, that was after the login12:26
yofelBluesKaj: that *is* your launchpad id? or was it another one?12:26
BluesKajyofel, nevermind this security crap is too clunky12:26
yofelpossibly, I'll PM you mine12:26
BluesKajoops that's Trusty , Utopic here12:31
Riddellhi ahoneybun 12:46
Riddellahoneybun: msg'ed12:47
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shadeslayer_mm12:52
shadeslayer_halo12:52
yofelit's a shadeslayer_12:56
shadeslayer_why do I have a tail12:56
yofelit's fancy12:56
shadeslayer_mm if you say so 12:58
Riddell#12:58
shadeslayer_yofel: btw python harness script for patch parser pushed12:59
Riddelljmux: are your press office trained in dealing with slashdot trolls? :)12:59
Riddellsgclark!  welcome back, how was the holiday?12:59
yofel\o/12:59
sgclarkRiddell: wonderful thank you :)12:59
Riddellsgclark: go anywhere nice?13:02
sgclarkRiddell: Small town in Virginia, big get together "Geekend" fun with friends. camping etc.13:04
Riddellsoee_: ahoneybun: can you report back from 4.14 tests on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas ?13:04
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soee_Riddell: no access :D13:05
Riddellsoee_: I sent you the details, what can't you access?13:07
soee_Riddell: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 13:08
yofel^ needs a kde identity account13:08
Riddellsoee_: oh I see, it just needs a kde identity account, but you can post here and I'll copy13:09
jmuxRiddell: well - it's their job. At least I would prefer seeing people asking officially, then seeing them shooting wild guesses, very often based on wrong premise / information.13:13
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kdeuser56what happened to project neon 5 iso builds?  http://files.kde.org/snapshots/13:21
Riddellkdeuser56: I still see them there13:24
Riddellthey're only made once a week at the end of the week13:24
kdeuser56Riddell: yeah but 8+7=1513:25
shadeslayerneeds promotion13:25
kdeuser56Riddell: today is the 19th13:25
shadeslayermoment13:25
shadeslayerkdeuser56: should be there in ~20 minutes13:26
kdeuser56shadeslayer, Riddel: just for information: that iso 's are the only ones useable in virtualbox13:27
kdeuser56the utopic iso is not useable in virtualbox for some reason13:27
shadeslayerkdeuser56: define not usable13:27
shadeslayerand VBox is not supported13:27
kdeuser56shadeslayer: what do you mean by "not supported"?13:27
shadeslayerPlasma 5 needs hw acceleration and vbox has shit support for hw acceleration13:28
shadeslayercauses all sorts of rendering issues13:28
kdeuser56shadeslayer: yeah, buts whats the difference between the neon build and the utopic build that causes it to not work at all?13:28
shadeslayerkdeuser56: again, define not work at all13:28
shadeslayerit was working last week when I tried it13:28
kdeuser56shadeslayer: the utopic based one? defintely not this week13:29
shadeslayerok, so what's broken13:29
kdeuser56shadeslayer: not usable: the boot screen shows, suddenly the aspect ratio changes and only colored lines are show (in virtualbox)13:30
shadeslayerkdeuser56: try pressing host key + f7 and then hostkey + F113:30
shadeslayershould work then13:30
kdeuser56shadeslayer: give me a few minutes to download the iso and try13:31
shadeslayerok13:31
kdeuser56shadeslayer: what do you recommend then, btw? kvm?13:33
kdeuser56(quemu)13:33
shadeslayeractual hardware13:33
shadeslayeror bug plasma devs in #plasma for vbox support13:33
kdeuser56shadeslayer: thing is it works ... but only with the neon iso13:34
kdeuser56and it works quite well 13:34
shadeslayerthat's because neon is trusty13:34
shadeslayerutopic introduced changes to the graphic stack probably13:34
shadeslayerand caused the issues that you're seeing13:34
kdeuser56shadeslayer: btw, what I wanted to ask: does the kubuntu next ppa provide debug packages for all packages?13:36
shadeslayerit should13:36
kdeuser56ok13:37
kdeuser56:-)13:37
* shadeslayer looks at trello13:51
Riddellshadeslayer: kontact works for me in utopic but it's not attached to any accounts14:07
shadeslayerRiddell: try opening the contacts tab14:08
shadeslayerin kontact14:08
kdeuser56shadeslayer: the host key + f7 and then hostkey + F1 works!!14:10
kdeuser56shadeslayer: thanks for the great support14:10
shadeslayerkdeuser56: yep, I know14:10
kdeuser56shadeslayer: what does that do?14:10
shadeslayerclear fb and redraw it would be my guess14:11
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/pny0xneos14:11
shadeslayerwhat I get14:11
kdeuser56shadeslayer: without that it looks like that for me: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ihXi2hkCPfZ2RCQTN1d0g2Vms/edit?usp=sharing14:12
shadeslayeryeah I know14:12
Riddellshadeslayer: works for me, I think soee_ is testing on trusty14:12
shadeslayerhm14:13
shadeslayernuking db data folder does the trick14:13
shadeslayerah14:13
kdeuser56shadeslayer: one thing i noticed: why does dolphin look out of place in utopic?14:13
shadeslayerkdeuser56: because it's from KDE 414:13
shadeslayernot KF514:13
kdeuser56shadeslayer: in neon5 build it integrates just well14:13
shadeslayerkdeuser56: because that's from frameworks14:14
shadeslayerRiddell: entirely possible that the error is from not having enough disk space14:14
kdeuser56shadeslayer: and we do not have themes that work for both versions?14:14
shadeslayernope14:14
kdeuser56shadeslayer: not even separately compiled ones?14:15
shadeslayerhuh?14:15
kdeuser56shadeslayer: once compiled against kdelibs/qt4 and one against 5?14:15
kdeuser56like oxygen-qt4 and oxygen-qt514:15
kdeuser56shadeslayer: it will look like shit for users if all application still not ported like  shit for the whole next14:16
kdeuser56year14:16
kdeuser56because I suppose the porting still takes time for a lot of stuff like pim etc.14:17
shadeslayerwell, yeah, some of the applications will look out of place14:17
shadeslayerbut there are ongoing efforts to make sure they integrate decently14:18
kdeuser56shadeslayer: so utopic standard iso will be kdelibs/plasma 1 and optional will have the kubuntu-next ppa enabled right? what about project neon? or will that stay trusty only ?14:21
shadeslayerkdeuser56: we might kill neon14:21
shadeslayerlets see14:21
shadeslayerCP is coming14:22
kdeuser56shadeslayer: CP?14:22
shadeslayercontinuous packaging14:22
kdeuser56shadeslayer: you guys rock!14:22
shadeslayerI'm waiting on apachelogger to turn up and give me some info about that14:22
soee_kdeuser56: what does not work with dolphin in utopic ?14:25
kdeuser56soee_: it does work, but looks like from 1990 (theme)14:26
soee_kdeuser56: looks goot to me http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/dolphin1.png14:28
Riddellshadeslayer: can't do dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas14:28
Riddellneed to do dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa14:28
Riddellfor some reason14:29
Riddellwgrant: that a known bug? ↑14:29
soee_Riddell: iv installed 14.0 on utopic14:29
Riddellyay!14:29
soee_didnt reboot yet though, had to much wirk14:29
Riddellsoee_: can you test kontact and file search?14:29
kdeuser56soee_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ does not look like that14:29
wgrantRiddell: "ppa:kubuntu-ninjas" was deprecated in January 2009 when named PPAs were introduced; you need to use "ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa"14:29
kdeuser56soee_: yours looks like neon5 version14:30
kdeuser56soee_: btw is that icontasks in your screenshot?14:30
soee_kdeuser56: nope, just standard task manager14:30
ovidiu-florinis this true? https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2Fnews%2Flimux-rueckkehr-zu-windows-wird-geprueft-1408-108644.html&edit-text14:31
kdeuser56ovidiu-florin: seems like it14:31
shadeslayerhm14:32
shadeslayerjmux: ^^14:32
kdeuser56ovidiu-florin: I wonder what happens the recently announced Kolab switch to kmail etc.14:33
jmuxshadeslayer, ovidiu-florin [11:17] <jmux> For me it's just an iteration from the last stuff. The major complains, but doesn't show any facts. The complete city council calls him nuts, even his own fraction14:33
soeeok back14:33
soeeRiddell: what tests exaclty ?14:33
shadeslayerjmux: ah ok14:33
shadeslayerthx14:33
jmux[11:18] <jmux> The quote from his own it expert was (translated): It's just the opinion of a single lawyer.14:33
jmux[14:21] <jmux> Riddell: I was just told that I should redirect all inquires regarding LiMux to our PR office: presseamt@muenchen.de :)14:34
jmuxSo feel free to write a mail. Cannot be enough :)14:34
Riddellsoee: whatever shadeslayer had problems with :)14:34
shadeslayerlaunchpad is so slow14:35
shadeslayerslow slow slow14:35
shadeslayerwhy is it so slow 14:35
shadeslayerwe don't know know know14:35
kdeuser56soee_: that can't be plain utopic build from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ ...  14:35
kdeuser56soee_: what packages did you add? how does kmail look for you ;-)14:36
wgrantshadeslayer: Working on it... I ordered new database servers six months ago but they haven't been set up yet.14:36
shadeslayerwgrant: it's alot better than last month though :)14:37
* shadeslayer is waiting for the db to get updated with his new baloo build so he can run his script14:37
wgrantWhich DB?14:37
soeekdeuser56: iv installed utopic few weeks ago and im on plasma-next ppa14:37
kdeuser56soee: isn't plasma_next ppa enabled by default?14:38
soeei dont think so14:38
kdeuser56soee: do you have a kmail screenshot?14:38
shadeslayerwgrant: the launchpad librarian one14:39
kdeuser56soee: I'd be really surprised if it looked integrated14:39
shadeslayerwgrant: it's still fetching the ppa4 build when I uploaded ppa5 5-10 minutes ago ( Downloading https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/baloo_4.14.0-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.10%7Eppa4.debian.tar.xz )14:39
ovidiu-florinjmux: so it's not true?14:39
shadeslayerah there we go14:39
wgrantshadeslayer: What do you mean still fetching? That file is 10KiB.14:40
Riddellovidiu-florin: it's politics, people shout while the workers keep on working14:40
soeekdeuser56: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/ksnapshot.png14:40
ovidiu-florinRiddell: yeah, but it's bad pubicity14:41
shadeslayerwgrant: http://paste.kde.org/po3iftqhv && http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-batch-backport14:41
soeekdeuser56: im not sure what you mean by integrated, im using qtcurve theme, breeze colors etc14:41
soeeand breeze icon theme14:41
kdeuser56soee: damn ... i feel really stupid14:41
georgelappiesI would like to help with testing KDE 4.14 14:41
shadeslayerwgrant: but fixed now, db got updated and it fetched the ppa5 version14:41
soeehi georgelappies14:42
kdeuser56soee: you mean that ppa: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next ?14:42
georgelappieshi soee14:42
soeekdeuser56: yes14:42
kdeuser56soee: fully updated?14:42
Riddellovidiu-florin: yes very, it's a shame when politicians can be bought in that way14:43
jmuxovidiu-florin: no - it's true. They want to set up a commision to investigate the currently unknown problems with LiMux. The major hasn't show any real facts.14:43
Riddellhi georgelappies 14:43
Riddellgeorgelappies: what are you running now?14:43
georgelappieshi Riddell14:43
soeekdeuser56: add ppa and install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop it you dont have yet14:43
jmuxAnd BTW - the two other major are currently on holiday, so this guy can basically do whatever he likes.14:43
ovidiu-florinwhat problems are there with LiMux?14:43
georgelappiesKubuntu 14.04.1 latest patches and updates all installed, only default repo14:43
ovidiu-florinbesides human stupidity14:44
Riddelljmux: you have three mayors?14:44
wgrantshadeslayer: Oh, your pull-ppa-source is unnecessarily waiting for the source to be Published. Pending is fine for your purposes.14:44
Riddellgeorgelappies: sent you the apt/sources.list line14:44
Riddelladd that and  apt full-upgrade14:44
shadeslayerwgrant: ah hm14:45
georgelappiesthanks Riddell, will do14:45
kdeuser56soee: okay kmail looks integrated here too ... weired ... only dolphin looks shitty14:45
jmuxSo if they come back, they will look for the PR, and if it's too bad they'll just say: "oh bad child - you shouldn't have done this", otherwise it'll go on14:45
soeeshadeslayer: hwat problems you had with 14.0 on utipic ?14:45
jmuxThat's what politics is al about - a PR job, and nobody want's to loose it.14:46
shadeslayersoee: baloo didn't work14:46
soeesearching ?14:46
shadeslayersoee: akonadi broke because no disk space14:46
jmuxRiddell: well - at least the british translation is "Lord Mayor" - so wa have on e oth this and two others with different departments14:47
soeeshadeslayer: dolphin uses baloo when searching for files ?14:47
kdeuser56soee: funny switched to oxygen, switched back to qtcurve, restarted and everything looks find  14:47
soeekdeuser56: nice :)14:47
soeeprobably some cache issue14:47
shadeslayerwgrant: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/196 < fixed, thanks alot :)14:48
jmuxBut at the end there isn't taht much they can do without the city council (which called the LM nuts a month ago): http://heise.de/-226250614:48
Riddelljmux: it's far more complex than that, the english have mayors of different types, in scotland we have a Provost (apolitical) and Council Leader (political). Edinburgh is twinned with Munich, I wonder if I can get the leader of Edinburgh council to put in a word for Edinburgh's free software industry14:49
kdeuser56soee: yes confirmed search in dolphin broken, shows "invalid protocol"14:49
soeekdeuser56: same here14:50
soeeRiddell: ^14:50
kdeuser56soee: go to 32px in dolphin size and see it fall back to an oxygen icon, confirm?14:51
kdeuser56soee: (folder icon)14:51
soeekdeuser56: nope14:51
soeekdeuser56: it is probably the same issu i had, its some icons cache in .kde folder14:52
soeekdeuser56: found it: rm ~/.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache14:54
Riddellkdeuser56, soee: using what setup?14:54
soeeRiddell: utopic, plasma4, 14.0 from ninjas14:54
soee*plasma514:54
kdeuser56soee: doesn't work here ... wait 2 minutes for the screencast to uploa14:55
soeekdeuser56: relogin or reboot14:55
kdeuser56soee: password for live cd?14:56
shadeslayerkdeuser56: just hit enter14:56
soeekdeuser56: but you are runnig livecd not normal installation ?14:57
kdeuser56soee: right14:57
soeeah than this might not be the case14:57
kdeuser56soee: yeah it isn't14:57
Riddellshadeslayer: what do you get for running  kmimetypefinder5 --version  ?15:03
kdeuser56soee: ouch ... look at the clock http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/kubuntu.png :-( 15:04
kdeuser56the blue tabbar simply has no space ...15:04
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/phikyx2nw15:06
Riddellgood good15:07
RiddellI guess k4aboutdata is broken there15:07
RiddellQString::fromLatin1("TODO" /*KDE_VERSION_STRING*/)15:08
Riddellhmm :)15:08
shadeslayerheh15:09
soeekdeuser56: im not using clock on panel :)15:31
soeebut ot looks good to me, maybe panel width is importanty15:31
shadeslayerkdeuser56: re dolphin style, if you go to systems settings > Application Style > Widget Style > select QtCurve again > hit apply , it will work 15:31
kdeuser56shadeslayer: yes I have already discovered that, but thanks anyway15:32
shadeslayerkdeuser56: cool15:32
shadeslayerpossibly fixed in 5.0.115:32
kdeuser56shadeslayer: see at the comment I wrote at 16:47:3415:32
kdeuser56shadeslayer: what does that do? does that modify some config or is it only a cache issue15:33
shadeslayercache issue15:33
shadeslayerI guess15:33
kdeuser56shadeslayer: I will diff the .kde dir give me a minute15:33
shadeslayerPlasma 5 does not use .kde15:34
shadeslayeror well hm, kde4breeze probably does15:34
kdeuser56shadeslayer: oh :-( ... what else does it use then?15:34
shadeslayerkdeuser56: ~/.config , ~/.local15:35
shadeslayerother stuff15:35
shadeslayer~/.cache15:35
kdeuser56shadeslayer: the same is true for the gtk qt cruve style15:44
shadeslayerhm15:44
kdeuser56shadeslayer: but let me take another try to confirm it15:45
kdeuser56shadeslayer: okay I can't get gimp to look integrated at all on the live cd ... 15:47
kdeuser56shadeslayer: "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve", 15:49
shadeslayerm15:49
shadeslayermm15:49
kdeuser56shadeslayer: crazy though ... after many tries at least the color scheme is applied 15:49
kdeuser56shadeslayer: check that out: run "gimp" in command line looks different than launching gimp from kickoff 15:50
kdeuser56shadeslayer: any idea about the last comment? 100% reproducable here15:55
shadeslayernot really15:56
shadeslayerI'll try to take a look on Thursday15:56
kdeuser56shadeslayer: maybe some environment variables are different in konsole and the shell the launches gimp when invoked by kickoff15:57
shadeslayerprobably15:57
shadeslayerbecause konsole is KDE415:57
kdeuser56shadeslayer: still here? got a fix16:13
shadeslayeryep16:13
shadeslayeroh crap16:13
shadeslayerI have to go16:13
kdeuser56shadeslayer: give me 1 minute16:13
shadeslayerkdeuser56: sure, leave me a message, I'll look at it tonight16:13
kdeuser56shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/p0vqdl4hm16:14
shadeslayerthat's not a fix16:15
kdeuser56shadeslayer: no not really, but a workaround16:15
shadeslayernot even that tbh :p16:15
shadeslayersince you can't expect everyone to patch kdeglobals16:15
kdeuser56shadeslayer: put the config values in the file by default16:16
kdeuser56shadeslayer: or fix qtcurve to write them 16:16
shadeslayernope16:16
shadeslayerthat's wrong16:16
shadeslayerre @ fixing qtcurve, nope16:16
shadeslayeryou want kde4breeze to do all of this16:16
shadeslayeranyway16:16
shadeslayerI'm off16:16
shadeslayercya later this evening16:16
kdeuser56shadeslayer: c ya16:17
kdeuser56soee, shadeslayer: for gtk applications to look integrated include the following package in the iso: gtk-engines-qtcurve ... problem solved 16:26
yofellast i checked that was still gtk2-only, so not perfect either16:27
yofelthat should replace oxygen though if we're using qtcurve for qt516:28
yofelshadeslayer: did you look for qtcurve gtk3? IIRC there was some code somewhere on the net16:28
kdeuser56yofel: don't worry breeze already has an c++ implementation based on oxygen by hugo ... and i guess he will also do the gtk ports16:29
kdeuser56yofel: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=122376&sid=402c7dd55770467f359872b71483977e16:30
Riddellkdeuser56, soee: to fix baloo in dolphin install baloo-utils16:30
* Riddell adds to seed16:30
yofelthis was qtcurve, but that's good to know16:30
kdeuser56yofel: care to cherrypick git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/hpereiradacosta/breeze  and create a package ?16:30
yofelkdeuser56: I'll leave that up to shadeslayer, my primary focus this cycle is release work, meaning kde416:32
kdeuser56yofel: I hope he will still have the faith as with oxygen and make the gtk ports too16:33
kdeuser56yofel: I guess if Hugo doesn't do it nobody will16:34
yofelmaybe, last I heard was that gtk3 is not too nice to work with.16:34
* yofel wonders how far kdecoration2 is 16:34
alleeyofel: I could test 4.14 on trusty (my utopic is plasma 5 so not that useful), but can access Ninja ppa (lp id allee).  Is there a page with a checklist what should be checked?16:35
kdeuser56yofel: but oxygen works just fine with gtk3 so I guess Hugo has the expertise16:36
georgelappiesanyway to change the ugly Google notification icon in the notify area??16:36
yofelallee: you have access now. Mostly it's a consistency check that nothing is removed and the normal activities still work. Upstream had a qa list *somewhere* though16:36
alleek16:37
kdeuser56yofel: but to be honest, do you know any sane application you would to use that is gtk3 based? (seriously, I am curious)16:38
kdeuser56yofel: all productivity tools are gtk2 based (gimp, inkscape etc.) ... firefox might be gtk3 soon, but atm no major application is gtk3 based afaik16:39
kdeuser56yofel: don't you agree for now  we should ship gtk-engines-qtcurve ?16:40
kdeuser56Riddell: what do you think about adding "gtk-engines-qtcurve"?16:41
Riddellin the plasma 5 iso yes probably16:41
kdeuser56Riddell: please do so, because otherwise all gtk applications will look alien16:42
kdeuser56Riddell: 442 kb are not that much after all16:43
Riddelljmux: do you expect to be at akademy this year?16:45
Riddellshadeslayer: adding gtk-engines-qtcurve to seed, do you know if it needs any setup?16:46
jmuxRiddell: nope, but two collegues (same one then last year) will be there16:47
yofelRiddell: at least kde4 startkde has gtk{2,3}-engines-oxygen scripting, you might want that for plasma5 with qtcurve16:47
Riddelljmux: great, Kubuntu day on Thursday if they're interested https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy16:48
jmuxRiddell: I'll be at LibreOffice Conference in Bern, the LinuxCon Europe + Plumbers in Düsseldorf and our BSP16:49
jmuxRiddell: I'll point them to the etherpad16:49
kdeuser56do you know what shadeslayer meant with "kde4breeze"?16:49
alleeyofel: dist-upgrade to 4.14 want's to remove all of calligra, digikam & co and kamoso16:50
yofelallee: do you have the backports enabled?16:50
yofelyou will want those16:50
yofelkdeuser56: breeze for qt4 I would guess?16:51
alleeyofel: ah, no.  only  kubuntu-ppa.  Retry ...16:51
kdeuser56yofel: what package is that exactly16:51
yofelno idea16:51
yofelRiddell: ^ ?16:51
kdeuser56Riddell: regarding gtk-engines-qtcurve: please note that this is affected by the same problem as kde4 applicaitons: you have to go to systemsettings, reselect qtcurve (in the gtk category) and then the theme will just work fine16:52
kdeuser56Riddell: btw I made a typo: it is "gtk2-engines-qtcurve"17:07
alleeyofel: 4.14 works great so far.  Congrats to all involved!18:02
alleeyofel: Strange this is baloo and baloo4 are offered for autoremove.  why does nothing depend/recomment baloo4?18:03
yofeluh, baloo4 should not be offered for autoremove :S18:04
yofelprobably outdated meta package18:04
alleeyofel: kde-config-pimactivity was in pim 4.13.97 but not in 4.14  -> offered for autoremove too18:07
yofelah yeah, that's gone18:09
* allee dances: korg for the first time remembered my calendar colors after a reboot. Yeah :-)18:09
alleeso only  amarok and rekonq that need to support baloo and forget nepomuk (and digikam git has baloo support AFAIK)18:11
yofel.14 has pretty much all nepomuk support removed (hence all those removals you had in the beginning)18:12
yofelbaloo support would be missing though I guess ^^18:12
kdeuser56allee: sure about digikam? that would be amazing news18:14
alleekdeuser56: see commit logs at: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository18:24
alleekdeuser56: so hopefully 4.3 or 4.4  will support baloo18:24
mcstri filed the live-config bug at launchpad, still no fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-config/+bug/91387418:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 913874 in live-config (Ubuntu) "live-config script is broken in ubuntu" [Undecided,New]18:26
alleeyofel: not 4.14 spezific I assume: dolphin sftp://localhost open a video and dragonplayer want's to search for a sftp protocol source    Qapt fails to find it.  Cool confusion :-) 18:31
alleemhmm maybe dragonplayer.desktop should use 'Exec=dragon %f' instead of 'Exec=dragon %u'18:32
alleeyofel: dolphin 'search for' document images ...  does work.  Clicking on them and nothing happens here (same on 4.13.97 on my laptop)18:37
yofelo.O18:37
allee4.14 testers:  dolphin 'search for'  does it work for you?18:38
alleeyofel: running in a shell :   baloosearch test  -> KServiceTypeTrader: serviceType  "BalooSearchStore"  not found18:39
alleeyofel: baloo in 4.13 has 68 files and dirs, baloo4 in 4.14 has 31.18:42
alleebaloo4 has no files in /usr/share/kde4/services18:42
yofelbaloo-utils is supposed to have those18:46
kdeuser56WTF happened to isolinux.cfg in utopic?18:47
yofelsyslinux 6 moved every file somewhere else just for fun18:47
soeeallee: works after installing baloo-utils as Riddell mentioned18:47
yofeloh, rohan made baloo-utils required today, that might've not been backported18:48
kdeuser56yofel: really? you mean the name changed?18:48
yofelkdeuser56: name shouldn't have changed, but I just noticed that I was thinking about .bin not .cfg18:51
yofelisn't that part of the image configuration?18:51
kdeuser56yofel: yeah but the config file is completely different in utopic ... completetely different format ... all my iso customization scripts fail now :-(18:51
yofelah, well, we updated from syslinux 4 to 6 which has a bunch of changes..18:52
yofel(for UEFI IIRC)18:52
kdeuser56yofel: where do I specify my seed file then? before that I could do that in isolinux.cfg18:54
ahoneybunRiddell: what kind of data should I report?18:54
yofelkdeuser56: I'm really not familiar with isolinux customization... I only recently started working with live-build 4 a bit18:54
yofelkdeuser56: shadeslayer might be able to help you18:55
alleeyofel: how can I easily find all changes done today to kubuntu-packagers  bzr repos?  18:56
yofelallee: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/18:56
alleeyofel: thx.  and then an educated guess which repo to check  ;-)18:57
yofelwell, anything that tells last modified in "hours" will be within a day, then you'll have to look through all though :/18:58
ahoneybunthere are a lot of packages being held back18:58
ahoneybunwith 4.14 repo on18:58
yofelahoneybun: if you don't add the backports PPA18:58
ahoneybunanyway bbl18:58
ahoneybunoh18:58
yofel*don't have it18:58
ahoneybunI'll add it when I get back18:59
ahoneybunbbl18:59
shadeslayeryofel: allee baloo was fixed btw19:02
yofelshadeslayer: and you backported that to trusty, yes?19:04
shadeslayeryes19:04
yofelok19:04
shadeslayeroh19:04
shadeslayerFTBFS19:04
shadeslayermuch fun19:04
shadeslayeralso, they removed the b43 firmware from linux firmware non free19:06
shadeslayerin a SRU19:06
yofellol19:06
shadeslayerbecause, redistributability19:06
shadeslayerwhat fun to discover your wifi doesn't work suddenly19:06
shadeslayerafter a upgrade19:06
yofelmanual download still works I hope? ^^19:06
shadeslayeryeah, it's in proposed19:06
shadeslayeror well, in case you're talking about the manual download from linux wireless, that would work too19:07
yofeldebian has fun wiki pages for various firmare downloads19:07
kdeuser56yofel: found the problem: trusty has "vmlinuz.efi" and utopic "vmlinuz"19:10
shadeslayerkdeuser56: please report upstream btw19:10
shadeslayerand mention it in #ubuntu-devel19:10
kdeuser56shadeslayer: where would configure a bootmenu? so that you configure the default entry and append seed files?19:11
shadeslayerwhat, you can't do that via seed files19:11
shadeslayersounds a bit mental19:11
shadeslayer( adding vmlinuz.efi )19:12
shadeslayer!find vmlinuz.efi19:12
ubottuPackage/file vmlinuz.efi does not exist in trusty19:12
kdeuser56shadeslayer: i know that 19:12
shadeslayeroh, maybe I mis understood?19:12
shadeslayerkdeuser56: you want to change the default boot parameters?19:13
shadeslayeryofel: my internet is being shit19:13
shadeslayeryofel: can you have a look at why baloo FTBFS'd19:13
yofeljoin the club :P19:13
kdeuser56shadeslayer: the default grub entry which is chosen and which seed file is appended to that entry19:13
yofelbut lets see19:13
kdeuser56shadeslayer: and I meant the trusty iso has a folder /caspar/vmlinuz.efi19:14
shadeslayerkdeuser56: cdimage rootfs19:14
shadeslayerkdeuser56: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage19:14
yofelyou did not run the backport scripts on the new backport19:14
yofel libboost1.55-dev : Conflicts: libboost1.54-dev but 1.54.0-4ubuntu3.1 is to be installed19:15
shadeslayerI most certainly did19:15
shadeslayeryofel: paste.kde.org/po3iftqhv19:15
shadeslayerwhee19:15
yofelcould you please add http:// when you do that, that's not a link for quassel -.-19:16
shadeslayerfirefox is silly19:16
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/po3iftqhv19:16
shadeslayereverything should be piped through IRC19:17
shadeslayerit's the only protocol than can support such shit networks19:17
shadeslayereven at Randa everything was down19:17
shadeslayerexcept IRC19:17
yofelhehe19:18
kdeuser56shadeslayer: btw, for gtk it's the same issue as with kde4 applications19:18
kdeuser56shadeslayer: after you have installed gtk2-engines-qtcurve you need to go systemsettings reselect qtcurve in the gtk category and hit apply19:19
shadeslayerright, that's expected19:20
shadeslayerI think if you logout and login, that might have worked19:20
shadeslayerif it does not, it's a bug19:21
yofelshadeslayer: well, that's the log for ~ppa1, you have ~ppa4, where's the log for that? ^^19:23
yofelI usually tend to rather edit the backports instead of backporting again for reasons like this19:24
shadeslayerI see19:24
shadeslayerhm19:24
shadeslayeryofel: that means the hooks weren't updated19:24
shadeslayerI assumed the hooks were fine19:24
yofelthat means hooks weren't run19:25
yofelhow did you backport it?19:25
shadeslayeroh? most interesting19:25
shadeslayersee paste?19:25
shadeslayerhas the command at the top19:25
yofelthat's ~ubuntu14.04~ppa1, ppa has ~ubuntu14.04~ppa419:25
yofeland no old history, so that was a fresh backport19:26
shadeslayeryep19:26
shadeslayerI manually edited the changelog19:26
shadeslayerto be more than 419:26
shadeslayeror well19:26
shadeslayer319:26
shadeslayerchrome seems to work19:28
yofelno idea what went wrong then, the trusty hook has s/libboost1.55/libboost1.54/g19:29
yofeloutdated hooks on your machine?19:29
shadeslayercan't be, I did a bzr pull before19:29
yofeloh well19:31
yofelare you fixing it or should I?19:31
shadeslayerI'll do it19:31
shadeslayermanually19:31
kdeuser56shadeslayer: is gtk2-engines-qtcurve now in for the iso?19:31
yofelok19:31
shadeslayeryofel: heh, we need to add a versioning thing to pull-ninjas-source19:41
shadeslayerbecause dget is a POS at times19:41
yofelversioning?19:42
shadeslayerpull-ninjas-source baloo 4.019:42
shadeslayerpull-ninjas-source baloo 4.0 trusty19:42
yofelyou can't have more than one version of a package in the same release at a time19:42
shadeslayerhm19:42
shadeslayerofcourse19:42
shadeslayerchromium is broken19:43
yofeldo you want to download "Pending" packages? That can be added..19:43
shadeslayernot pending, but superseeded19:43
shadeslayerI already did support for pending earlier today19:43
yofelah, still, same thing19:43
shadeslayerlike, how do I download the ppa3 version now19:44
yofelah right, superseded can have more than one version :/19:44
shadeslayeryeah19:45
shadeslayerso would be nice to pass it the version and then it checks the superseeded packages19:45
shadeslayerand downloads the matching one19:45
shadeslayerargh19:55
shadeslayeryofel: do I need to do anything except make sure baloo depends on boost 1.54?19:56
shadeslayerI can't see what changes were made betweek ppa1 and ppa319:56
shadeslayeryofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending20:00
yofelthat's the only thing I see too...20:00
shadeslayeryofel: look what I found https://plus.google.com/photos/of/11513841018958601639220:07
shadeslayer:D20:07
shadeslayersuch a long time20:07
shadeslayer3 years since that photo :)20:07
yofelhehehe, my first conference with you guys that was xD20:09
alleeoh, on a default utopic + plasma5 install :   click on a mp3 in dolphin and no app registered for mp3.  click on play in the preview panel on the right hand side of dolphin and the mp3 plays.   Maybe dolphin should register itself as mp3 player ;-)20:32
alleeyofel: when baloo-utils depends is backported to trusty 4.14 then everything I tried is rock solid.  Congrats to the team!20:35
* allee ponders why contents of baloo4 and baloo-utils is splitted as it is.20:37
yofelbecause baloo-kf520:37
alleeah that's my only akoandi indexer is in baloo=utils.   akonadi is still kde 420:38
yofelbaloo (4:4.13.2-0ubuntu3) utopic; urgency=medium20:39
yofel  * Allow for co-installability with baloo-kf520:39
yofel    - create baloo-utils for kdelibs4 parts we want to keep installed20:39
alleeyofel has enlighted allee once again20:39

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