[06:07] <soee> good morning
[09:00] <Riddell> jmux: limux on slashdot today :(
[09:05] <valorie> I heard a rumor about that -- is it true? or partly true?
[09:07] <davmor2> this looks remarkably like a story that was run a year or 2 back and never happened
[09:09] <valorie> sucks that it's on /. whether or not there is any truth to it
[09:09] <Riddell> nah there's been more politics recently, the mayor has grumped a bit, it's delayed the sprint announcement for a while
[09:09] <valorie> :(
[09:11] <alket> i think they won't reveret, it took them 10 years just to switch
[09:14] <alket> they say they have problems with ODT format , don't they know they also can save as .doc ?
[09:15] <Riddell> the UK government just changed to ODT
[09:16] <Riddell> (or say they will, will be interesting to see how much that works in practice)
[09:16] <valorie> alket: lots of people don't know that, and don't know about different formats
[09:17] <valorie> whatever the default is, is how they save
[09:17] <jmux> Riddell: we even made it to Slashdot. Guess the new major will be happy. 
[09:17] <jmux> For me it's just an iteration from the last stuff. The major complains, but doesn't show any facts. The complete city council calls him nuts, even his own fraction
[09:18] <jmux> The quote from his own it expert was (translated): It's just the opinion of a single lawyer.
[09:18] <alket> valorie: yeah , and I don't know why citizens would need the editing format, my government sends pdf-s only
[09:19] <jmux> Remeber how long it tok me to get the hackfest / BSP stuff together - why couldn't all this politics not happen a week later
[09:19] <yofel_> valorie: office ofc. makes that really great by allowing you to save to ODT but with default fonts and settings that are licensed and thus usually not included in free software (so even if you save to ODF, your documents still need MS office)
[09:19] <yofel_> why do I have a tail..
[09:20] <valorie> thank goodness I've not used ms office for over 10 years
[09:20] <valorie> as soon as I could get open office in windows I did
[09:20] <valorie> even before switching to linux
[09:21] <valorie> except for helping kids with homework on the windows machines
[09:21] <jmux> valorie: Well - the most important fonts are free: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[09:23] <valorie> oh gosh it's late
[09:23]  * valorie goes to bed
[09:23] <valorie> niters all
[09:24] <jmux> You could even use their free replacements for Times, Arial and Courier. They almost look the same, but more import they are metrically compatible.
[09:51] <Riddell> allee: digikam looking good to me, shall I upload?
[09:52] <allee> Riddell: great.  Yes, please upload.  Thx
[10:06] <Riddell> allee: uploaded!  I'm sure there's more you can help with if you want to get back into the swing of it :)
[10:55] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:56] <Riddell> hi lordievader, BluesKaj: either of you able to help test 4.14?
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Riddell, 4.13.97 ?
[10:59] <lordievader> Riddell: I'm sorry. I'm at my parents, without the means to test software.
[11:01] <Riddell> BluesKaj: 4.14 is in ninjas
[11:01] <Riddell> lordievader: get them to help out too :)
[11:02] <lordievader> Riddell: Hehe, you wish. My mother isn't really what you call tech savvy :P
[11:04] <Riddell> exactly, the best sort of tester
[11:06] <soee> Riddell: ninjas ppa pls ?
[11:06] <soee> also it if for utopic/plasma5 ?
[11:08] <Riddell> soee: it's KDE SC 4
[11:08] <Riddell> it's for utopic and trusty
[11:08] <davmor2> H0neypie
[11:08] <davmor2> I'll be changing that password then
[11:08] <Riddell> quick!
[11:09] <Riddell> and there was me thinking you were just talking about me :(
[11:09] <davmor2> how the hell did that type in here when the password dialogue has focus.....
[11:09] <davmor2> does some digging
[11:10] <davmor2> Riddell: Oh sweetie don't get upset I still love you ;)
[11:10] <Riddell> now you can change it to J0nathanTheAwesome
[11:11] <Riddell> or better, use some spaces
[11:11] <Riddell> unless it's something really secure like a bank or paypal which doesn't let you use spaces, cos that would be too difficult for them
[11:11] <davmor2> No I changed it to Hunter2 nobody will get that
[11:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: alive today or still coming down from all the drugs?
[11:12] <davmor2> just as well this irc hides passwords right so you didn't know I changed it to Hunter2 :)
[11:21] <Riddell> hmm, should we change to cmake 3?
[11:21] <Riddell> it's in experimental
[11:21] <yofel> debfx can probably answer that best
[11:22] <debfx> Riddell: it breaks some packages
[11:22] <debfx> https://people.debian.org/~fgeyer/cmake-3.0/STATUS has the details
[11:23] <davmor2> Riddell: I wish people didn't call it cmake,  you see the c you see the ake and then they spoil it with the m and you're still left looking for the cake
[11:23] <debfx> mostly applies to Ubuntu as well
[11:27] <Riddell> thanks debfx, I think hedgewars alone there makes that a critical issue
[11:31] <Riddell> debfx: was looking because I wanted a cmake 3.0 feature for plasma but I guess I'll keep it at 2.8 compatible
[11:32] <debfx> davmor2: don't you know that the cake is a lie? those hidden cakely clues are just a distraction.
[11:32] <debfx> yeah I think it's a bit early to start depending on 3.0
[11:39] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how do we get 4.14?
[11:46] <yofel> ahoneybun: it's in ninjas, do you have access to that?
[11:47] <ahoneybun> maybe is it the link on the top of the irc client?
[11:47] <ahoneybun> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas?
[11:50] <yofel> ahoneybun: nope, go to https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archivesubscriptions - click on View at the right and you'll get the apt url
[11:50] <yofel> and install apt-transport-https and ca-certificates before adding it
[11:51] <ahoneybun> before adding those to the source.list?
[11:51] <yofel> yep, otherwise apt will be rather unhappy
[11:51] <ahoneybun> also is it ok if I stick with trusty or should I upgrade?
[11:52] <yofel> nah, we need the backports tested too
[11:53] <ahoneybun> also it seems I have those already :)
[11:54] <ahoneybun> yofel: should I uninstall nonfree drivers?
[11:55] <yofel> if that's necessary then something's broken...
[11:55] <soee_> Riddell: smooth upgrade on utopic, one warning from apport: update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match apport Default-Stop values (none)
[11:59] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm saying before hand
[12:00] <yofel> well, all I can say that nothing should break, if it does we have a problem. No upgrade should ever require you do switch drivers
[12:00] <yofel> (unless you intentionally use something like x edgers or so)
[12:01] <BluesKaj> I'm totally out of the loop on the ninjas ppa it looks like I''l stay that way... doesn't look too healthy for Utopic
[12:03] <ahoneybun> yofel: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B2C30B9A0945A8E2
[12:04] <yofel> ahoneybun: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com B2C30B9A0945A8E2
[12:07] <ahoneybun> yofel: upgrading now
[12:09] <BluesKaj> yofel, got url for 4.14 other than ubuntu one?
[12:11] <yofel> BluesKaj: ubuntu one? ninjas is the one from private-ppa.launchpad.net
[12:12] <BluesKaj> yofel, that last url you posted for ahoneybun directed me to ubuntu one login of which I'm not a member
[12:13] <yofel> ah, that's his page anyway. I usually prefer giving people their own passwords - but if you don't have a launchpad account I can give you mine
[12:14] <BluesKaj> I have a launchpad account, just can't seem to find the right ninja ppa
[12:16] <yofel> what's your launchpad id?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> yofel, my nick
[12:19] <yofel> BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~blueskaj/+archivesubscriptions should have the PPA now
[12:21] <jmux> Riddell: I was just told that I should redirect all inquires regarding LiMux to our PR office: presseamt@muenchen.de :)
[12:23]  * jmux just got a mail from a chief reporter of TechRepublic... which I'll redirect as requested
[12:24] <BluesKaj> yofel, nm, not allowed that info , page is private
[12:25] <yofel> BluesKaj: well, you'll have to log in..
[12:25] <sgclark> good morning
[12:25] <yofel> moin scarlett
[12:26] <BluesKaj> yofel, that was after the login
[12:26] <yofel> BluesKaj: that *is* your launchpad id? or was it another one?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> yofel, nevermind this security crap is too clunky
[12:26] <yofel> possibly, I'll PM you mine
[12:31] <BluesKaj> oops that's Trusty , Utopic here
[12:46] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun 
[12:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: msg'ed
[12:52] <shadeslayer_> mm
[12:52] <shadeslayer_> halo
[12:56] <yofel> it's a shadeslayer_
[12:56] <shadeslayer_> why do I have a tail
[12:56] <yofel> it's fancy
[12:58] <shadeslayer_> mm if you say so 
[12:58] <Riddell> #
[12:59] <shadeslayer_> yofel: btw python harness script for patch parser pushed
[12:59] <Riddell> jmux: are your press office trained in dealing with slashdot trolls? :)
[12:59] <Riddell> sgclark!  welcome back, how was the holiday?
[12:59] <yofel> \o/
[12:59] <sgclark> Riddell: wonderful thank you :)
[13:02] <Riddell> sgclark: go anywhere nice?
[13:04] <sgclark> Riddell: Small town in Virginia, big get together "Geekend" fun with friends. camping etc.
[13:04] <Riddell> soee_: ahoneybun: can you report back from 4.14 tests on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas ?
[13:05] <soee_> Riddell: no access :D
[13:07] <Riddell> soee_: I sent you the details, what can't you access?
[13:08] <soee_> Riddell: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 
[13:08] <yofel> ^ needs a kde identity account
[13:09] <Riddell> soee_: oh I see, it just needs a kde identity account, but you can post here and I'll copy
[13:13] <jmux> Riddell: well - it's their job. At least I would prefer seeing people asking officially, then seeing them shooting wild guesses, very often based on wrong premise / information.
[13:21] <kdeuser56> what happened to project neon 5 iso builds?  http://files.kde.org/snapshots/
[13:24] <Riddell> kdeuser56: I still see them there
[13:24] <Riddell> they're only made once a week at the end of the week
[13:25] <kdeuser56> Riddell: yeah but 8+7=15
[13:25] <shadeslayer> needs promotion
[13:25] <kdeuser56> Riddell: today is the 19th
[13:25] <shadeslayer> moment
[13:26] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: should be there in ~20 minutes
[13:27] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer, Riddel: just for information: that iso 's are the only ones useable in virtualbox
[13:27] <kdeuser56> the utopic iso is not useable in virtualbox for some reason
[13:27] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: define not usable
[13:27] <shadeslayer> and VBox is not supported
[13:27] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: what do you mean by "not supported"?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Plasma 5 needs hw acceleration and vbox has shit support for hw acceleration
[13:28] <shadeslayer> causes all sorts of rendering issues
[13:28] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: yeah, buts whats the difference between the neon build and the utopic build that causes it to not work at all?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: again, define not work at all
[13:28] <shadeslayer> it was working last week when I tried it
[13:29] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: the utopic based one? defintely not this week
[13:29] <shadeslayer> ok, so what's broken
[13:30] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: not usable: the boot screen shows, suddenly the aspect ratio changes and only colored lines are show (in virtualbox)
[13:30] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: try pressing host key + f7 and then hostkey + F1
[13:30] <shadeslayer> should work then
[13:31] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: give me a few minutes to download the iso and try
[13:31] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:33] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: what do you recommend then, btw? kvm?
[13:33] <kdeuser56> (quemu)
[13:33] <shadeslayer> actual hardware
[13:33] <shadeslayer> or bug plasma devs in #plasma for vbox support
[13:34] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: thing is it works ... but only with the neon iso
[13:34] <kdeuser56> and it works quite well 
[13:34] <shadeslayer> that's because neon is trusty
[13:34] <shadeslayer> utopic introduced changes to the graphic stack probably
[13:34] <shadeslayer> and caused the issues that you're seeing
[13:36] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: btw, what I wanted to ask: does the kubuntu next ppa provide debug packages for all packages?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> it should
[13:37] <kdeuser56> ok
[13:37] <kdeuser56> :-)
[13:51]  * shadeslayer looks at trello
[14:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kontact works for me in utopic but it's not attached to any accounts
[14:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: try opening the contacts tab
[14:08] <shadeslayer> in kontact
[14:10] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: the host key + f7 and then hostkey + F1 works!!
[14:10] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: thanks for the great support
[14:10] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: yep, I know
[14:10] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: what does that do?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> clear fb and redraw it would be my guess
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pny0xneos
[14:11] <shadeslayer> what I get
[14:12] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: without that it looks like that for me: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ihXi2hkCPfZ2RCQTN1d0g2Vms/edit?usp=sharing
[14:12] <shadeslayer> yeah I know
[14:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works for me, I think soee_ is testing on trusty
[14:13] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:13] <shadeslayer> nuking db data folder does the trick
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:13] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: one thing i noticed: why does dolphin look out of place in utopic?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: because it's from KDE 4
[14:13] <shadeslayer> not KF5
[14:13] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: in neon5 build it integrates just well
[14:14] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: because that's from frameworks
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: entirely possible that the error is from not having enough disk space
[14:14] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: and we do not have themes that work for both versions?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:15] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: not even separately compiled ones?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> huh?
[14:15] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: once compiled against kdelibs/qt4 and one against 5?
[14:15] <kdeuser56> like oxygen-qt4 and oxygen-qt5
[14:16] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: it will look like shit for users if all application still not ported like  shit for the whole next
[14:16] <kdeuser56> year
[14:17] <kdeuser56> because I suppose the porting still takes time for a lot of stuff like pim etc.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> well, yeah, some of the applications will look out of place
[14:18] <shadeslayer> but there are ongoing efforts to make sure they integrate decently
[14:21] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: so utopic standard iso will be kdelibs/plasma 1 and optional will have the kubuntu-next ppa enabled right? what about project neon? or will that stay trusty only ?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: we might kill neon
[14:21] <shadeslayer> lets see
[14:22] <shadeslayer> CP is coming
[14:22] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: CP?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> continuous packaging
[14:22] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: you guys rock!
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I'm waiting on apachelogger to turn up and give me some info about that
[14:25] <soee_> kdeuser56: what does not work with dolphin in utopic ?
[14:26] <kdeuser56> soee_: it does work, but looks like from 1990 (theme)
[14:28] <soee_> kdeuser56: looks goot to me http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/dolphin1.png
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can't do dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas
[14:28] <Riddell> need to do dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa
[14:29] <Riddell> for some reason
[14:29] <Riddell> wgrant: that a known bug? ↑
[14:29] <soee_> Riddell: iv installed 14.0 on utopic
[14:29] <Riddell> yay!
[14:29] <soee_> didnt reboot yet though, had to much wirk
[14:29] <Riddell> soee_: can you test kontact and file search?
[14:29] <kdeuser56> soee_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ does not look like that
[14:29] <wgrant> Riddell: "ppa:kubuntu-ninjas" was deprecated in January 2009 when named PPAs were introduced; you need to use "ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa"
[14:30] <kdeuser56> soee_: yours looks like neon5 version
[14:30] <kdeuser56> soee_: btw is that icontasks in your screenshot?
[14:30] <soee_> kdeuser56: nope, just standard task manager
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> is this true? https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2Fnews%2Flimux-rueckkehr-zu-windows-wird-geprueft-1408-108644.html&edit-text
[14:31] <kdeuser56> ovidiu-florin: seems like it
[14:32] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:32] <shadeslayer> jmux: ^^
[14:33] <kdeuser56> ovidiu-florin: I wonder what happens the recently announced Kolab switch to kmail etc.
[14:33] <jmux> shadeslayer, ovidiu-florin [11:17] <jmux> For me it's just an iteration from the last stuff. The major complains, but doesn't show any facts. The complete city council calls him nuts, even his own fraction
[14:33] <soee> ok back
[14:33] <soee> Riddell: what tests exaclty ?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> jmux: ah ok
[14:33] <shadeslayer> thx
[14:33] <jmux> [11:18] <jmux> The quote from his own it expert was (translated): It's just the opinion of a single lawyer.
[14:34] <jmux> [14:21] <jmux> Riddell: I was just told that I should redirect all inquires regarding LiMux to our PR office: presseamt@muenchen.de :)
[14:34] <jmux> So feel free to write a mail. Cannot be enough :)
[14:34] <Riddell> soee: whatever shadeslayer had problems with :)
[14:35] <shadeslayer> launchpad is so slow
[14:35] <shadeslayer> slow slow slow
[14:35] <shadeslayer> why is it so slow 
[14:35] <shadeslayer> we don't know know know
[14:35] <kdeuser56> soee_: that can't be plain utopic build from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ ...  
[14:36] <kdeuser56> soee_: what packages did you add? how does kmail look for you ;-)
[14:36] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Working on it... I ordered new database servers six months ago but they haven't been set up yet.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> wgrant: it's alot better than last month though :)
[14:37]  * shadeslayer is waiting for the db to get updated with his new baloo build so he can run his script
[14:37] <wgrant> Which DB?
[14:37] <soee> kdeuser56: iv installed utopic few weeks ago and im on plasma-next ppa
[14:38] <kdeuser56> soee: isn't plasma_next ppa enabled by default?
[14:38] <soee> i dont think so
[14:38] <kdeuser56> soee: do you have a kmail screenshot?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> wgrant: the launchpad librarian one
[14:39] <kdeuser56> soee: I'd be really surprised if it looked integrated
[14:39] <shadeslayer> wgrant: it's still fetching the ppa4 build when I uploaded ppa5 5-10 minutes ago ( Downloading https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/baloo_4.14.0-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.10%7Eppa4.debian.tar.xz )
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> jmux: so it's not true?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ah there we go
[14:40] <wgrant> shadeslayer: What do you mean still fetching? That file is 10KiB.
[14:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it's politics, people shout while the workers keep on working
[14:40] <soee> kdeuser56: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/ksnapshot.png
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: yeah, but it's bad pubicity
[14:41] <shadeslayer> wgrant: http://paste.kde.org/po3iftqhv && http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-batch-backport
[14:41] <soee> kdeuser56: im not sure what you mean by integrated, im using qtcurve theme, breeze colors etc
[14:41] <soee> and breeze icon theme
[14:41] <kdeuser56> soee: damn ... i feel really stupid
[14:41] <georgelappies> I would like to help with testing KDE 4.14 
[14:41] <shadeslayer> wgrant: but fixed now, db got updated and it fetched the ppa5 version
[14:42] <soee> hi georgelappies
[14:42] <kdeuser56> soee: you mean that ppa: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next ?
[14:42] <georgelappies> hi soee
[14:42] <soee> kdeuser56: yes
[14:42] <kdeuser56> soee: fully updated?
[14:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes very, it's a shame when politicians can be bought in that way
[14:43] <jmux> ovidiu-florin: no - it's true. They want to set up a commision to investigate the currently unknown problems with LiMux. The major hasn't show any real facts.
[14:43] <Riddell> hi georgelappies 
[14:43] <Riddell> georgelappies: what are you running now?
[14:43] <georgelappies> hi Riddell
[14:43] <soee> kdeuser56: add ppa and install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop it you dont have yet
[14:43] <jmux> And BTW - the two other major are currently on holiday, so this guy can basically do whatever he likes.
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> what problems are there with LiMux?
[14:43] <georgelappies> Kubuntu 14.04.1 latest patches and updates all installed, only default repo
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> besides human stupidity
[14:44] <Riddell> jmux: you have three mayors?
[14:44] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Oh, your pull-ppa-source is unnecessarily waiting for the source to be Published. Pending is fine for your purposes.
[14:44] <Riddell> georgelappies: sent you the apt/sources.list line
[14:44] <Riddell> add that and  apt full-upgrade
[14:45] <shadeslayer> wgrant: ah hm
[14:45] <georgelappies> thanks Riddell, will do
[14:45] <kdeuser56> soee: okay kmail looks integrated here too ... weired ... only dolphin looks shitty
[14:45] <jmux> So if they come back, they will look for the PR, and if it's too bad they'll just say: "oh bad child - you shouldn't have done this", otherwise it'll go on
[14:45] <soee> shadeslayer: hwat problems you had with 14.0 on utipic ?
[14:46] <jmux> That's what politics is al about - a PR job, and nobody want's to loose it.
[14:46] <shadeslayer> soee: baloo didn't work
[14:46] <soee> searching ?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> soee: akonadi broke because no disk space
[14:47] <jmux> Riddell: well - at least the british translation is "Lord Mayor" - so wa have on e oth this and two others with different departments
[14:47] <soee> shadeslayer: dolphin uses baloo when searching for files ?
[14:47] <kdeuser56> soee: funny switched to oxygen, switched back to qtcurve, restarted and everything looks find  
[14:47] <soee> kdeuser56: nice :)
[14:47] <soee> probably some cache issue
[14:48] <shadeslayer> wgrant: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/196 < fixed, thanks alot :)
[14:48] <jmux> But at the end there isn't taht much they can do without the city council (which called the LM nuts a month ago): http://heise.de/-2262506
[14:49] <Riddell> jmux: it's far more complex than that, the english have mayors of different types, in scotland we have a Provost (apolitical) and Council Leader (political). Edinburgh is twinned with Munich, I wonder if I can get the leader of Edinburgh council to put in a word for Edinburgh's free software industry
[14:49] <kdeuser56> soee: yes confirmed search in dolphin broken, shows "invalid protocol"
[14:50] <soee> kdeuser56: same here
[14:50] <soee> Riddell: ^
[14:51] <kdeuser56> soee: go to 32px in dolphin size and see it fall back to an oxygen icon, confirm?
[14:51] <kdeuser56> soee: (folder icon)
[14:51] <soee> kdeuser56: nope
[14:52] <soee> kdeuser56: it is probably the same issu i had, its some icons cache in .kde folder
[14:54] <soee> kdeuser56: found it: rm ~/.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache
[14:54] <Riddell> kdeuser56, soee: using what setup?
[14:54] <soee> Riddell: utopic, plasma4, 14.0 from ninjas
[14:54] <soee> *plasma5
[14:55] <kdeuser56> soee: doesn't work here ... wait 2 minutes for the screencast to uploa
[14:55] <soee> kdeuser56: relogin or reboot
[14:56] <kdeuser56> soee: password for live cd?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: just hit enter
[14:57] <soee> kdeuser56: but you are runnig livecd not normal installation ?
[14:57] <kdeuser56> soee: right
[14:57] <soee> ah than this might not be the case
[14:57] <kdeuser56> soee: yeah it isn't
[15:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what do you get for running  kmimetypefinder5 --version  ?
[15:04] <kdeuser56> soee: ouch ... look at the clock http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/kubuntu.png :-( 
[15:04] <kdeuser56> the blue tabbar simply has no space ...
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/phikyx2nw
[15:07] <Riddell> good good
[15:07] <Riddell> I guess k4aboutdata is broken there
[15:08] <Riddell> QString::fromLatin1("TODO" /*KDE_VERSION_STRING*/)
[15:08] <Riddell> hmm :)
[15:09] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:31] <soee> kdeuser56: im not using clock on panel :)
[15:31] <soee> but ot looks good to me, maybe panel width is importanty
[15:31] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: re dolphin style, if you go to systems settings > Application Style > Widget Style > select QtCurve again > hit apply , it will work 
[15:32] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: yes I have already discovered that, but thanks anyway
[15:32] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: cool
[15:32] <shadeslayer> possibly fixed in 5.0.1
[15:32] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: see at the comment I wrote at 16:47:34
[15:33] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: what does that do? does that modify some config or is it only a cache issue
[15:33] <shadeslayer> cache issue
[15:33] <shadeslayer> I guess
[15:33] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: I will diff the .kde dir give me a minute
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Plasma 5 does not use .kde
[15:34] <shadeslayer> or well hm, kde4breeze probably does
[15:34] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: oh :-( ... what else does it use then?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: ~/.config , ~/.local
[15:35] <shadeslayer> other stuff
[15:35] <shadeslayer> ~/.cache
[15:44] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: the same is true for the gtk qt cruve style
[15:44] <shadeslayer> hm
[15:45] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: but let me take another try to confirm it
[15:47] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: okay I can't get gimp to look integrated at all on the live cd ... 
[15:49] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve", 
[15:49] <shadeslayer> m
[15:49] <shadeslayer> mm
[15:49] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: crazy though ... after many tries at least the color scheme is applied 
[15:50] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: check that out: run "gimp" in command line looks different than launching gimp from kickoff 
[15:55] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: any idea about the last comment? 100% reproducable here
[15:56] <shadeslayer> not really
[15:56] <shadeslayer> I'll try to take a look on Thursday
[15:57] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: maybe some environment variables are different in konsole and the shell the launches gimp when invoked by kickoff
[15:57] <shadeslayer> probably
[15:57] <shadeslayer> because konsole is KDE4
[16:13] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: still here? got a fix
[16:13] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:13] <shadeslayer> oh crap
[16:13] <shadeslayer> I have to go
[16:13] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: give me 1 minute
[16:13] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: sure, leave me a message, I'll look at it tonight
[16:14] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/p0vqdl4hm
[16:15] <shadeslayer> that's not a fix
[16:15] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: no not really, but a workaround
[16:15] <shadeslayer> not even that tbh :p
[16:15] <shadeslayer> since you can't expect everyone to patch kdeglobals
[16:16] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: put the config values in the file by default
[16:16] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: or fix qtcurve to write them 
[16:16] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:16] <shadeslayer> that's wrong
[16:16] <shadeslayer> re @ fixing qtcurve, nope
[16:16] <shadeslayer> you want kde4breeze to do all of this
[16:16] <shadeslayer> anyway
[16:16] <shadeslayer> I'm off
[16:16] <shadeslayer> cya later this evening
[16:17] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: c ya
[16:26] <kdeuser56> soee, shadeslayer: for gtk applications to look integrated include the following package in the iso: gtk-engines-qtcurve ... problem solved 
[16:27] <yofel> last i checked that was still gtk2-only, so not perfect either
[16:28] <yofel> that should replace oxygen though if we're using qtcurve for qt5
[16:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you look for qtcurve gtk3? IIRC there was some code somewhere on the net
[16:29] <kdeuser56> yofel: don't worry breeze already has an c++ implementation based on oxygen by hugo ... and i guess he will also do the gtk ports
[16:30] <kdeuser56> yofel: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=122376&sid=402c7dd55770467f359872b71483977e
[16:30] <Riddell> kdeuser56, soee: to fix baloo in dolphin install baloo-utils
[16:30]  * Riddell adds to seed
[16:30] <yofel> this was qtcurve, but that's good to know
[16:30] <kdeuser56> yofel: care to cherrypick git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/hpereiradacosta/breeze  and create a package ?
[16:32] <yofel> kdeuser56: I'll leave that up to shadeslayer, my primary focus this cycle is release work, meaning kde4
[16:33] <kdeuser56> yofel: I hope he will still have the faith as with oxygen and make the gtk ports too
[16:34] <kdeuser56> yofel: I guess if Hugo doesn't do it nobody will
[16:34] <yofel> maybe, last I heard was that gtk3 is not too nice to work with.
[16:34]  * yofel wonders how far kdecoration2 is 
[16:35] <allee> yofel: I could test 4.14 on trusty (my utopic is plasma 5 so not that useful), but can access Ninja ppa (lp id allee).  Is there a page with a checklist what should be checked?
[16:36] <kdeuser56> yofel: but oxygen works just fine with gtk3 so I guess Hugo has the expertise
[16:36] <georgelappies> anyway to change the ugly Google notification icon in the notify area??
[16:36] <yofel> allee: you have access now. Mostly it's a consistency check that nothing is removed and the normal activities still work. Upstream had a qa list *somewhere* though
[16:37] <allee> k
[16:38] <kdeuser56> yofel: but to be honest, do you know any sane application you would to use that is gtk3 based? (seriously, I am curious)
[16:39] <kdeuser56> yofel: all productivity tools are gtk2 based (gimp, inkscape etc.) ... firefox might be gtk3 soon, but atm no major application is gtk3 based afaik
[16:40] <kdeuser56> yofel: don't you agree for now  we should ship gtk-engines-qtcurve ?
[16:41] <kdeuser56> Riddell: what do you think about adding "gtk-engines-qtcurve"?
[16:41] <Riddell> in the plasma 5 iso yes probably
[16:42] <kdeuser56> Riddell: please do so, because otherwise all gtk applications will look alien
[16:43] <kdeuser56> Riddell: 442 kb are not that much after all
[16:45] <Riddell> jmux: do you expect to be at akademy this year?
[16:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: adding gtk-engines-qtcurve to seed, do you know if it needs any setup?
[16:47] <jmux> Riddell: nope, but two collegues (same one then last year) will be there
[16:47] <yofel> Riddell: at least kde4 startkde has gtk{2,3}-engines-oxygen scripting, you might want that for plasma5 with qtcurve
[16:48] <Riddell> jmux: great, Kubuntu day on Thursday if they're interested https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy
[16:49] <jmux> Riddell: I'll be at LibreOffice Conference in Bern, the LinuxCon Europe + Plumbers in Düsseldorf and our BSP
[16:49] <jmux> Riddell: I'll point them to the etherpad
[16:49] <kdeuser56> do you know what shadeslayer meant with "kde4breeze"?
[16:50] <allee> yofel: dist-upgrade to 4.14 want's to remove all of calligra, digikam & co and kamoso
[16:50] <yofel> allee: do you have the backports enabled?
[16:50] <yofel> you will want those
[16:51] <yofel> kdeuser56: breeze for qt4 I would guess?
[16:51] <allee> yofel: ah, no.  only  kubuntu-ppa.  Retry ...
[16:51] <kdeuser56> yofel: what package is that exactly
[16:51] <yofel> no idea
[16:51] <yofel> Riddell: ^ ?
[16:52] <kdeuser56> Riddell: regarding gtk-engines-qtcurve: please note that this is affected by the same problem as kde4 applicaitons: you have to go to systemsettings, reselect qtcurve (in the gtk category) and then the theme will just work fine
[17:07] <kdeuser56> Riddell: btw I made a typo: it is "gtk2-engines-qtcurve"
[18:02] <allee> yofel: 4.14 works great so far.  Congrats to all involved!
[18:03] <allee> yofel: Strange this is baloo and baloo4 are offered for autoremove.  why does nothing depend/recomment baloo4?
[18:04] <yofel> uh, baloo4 should not be offered for autoremove :S
[18:04] <yofel> probably outdated meta package
[18:07] <allee> yofel: kde-config-pimactivity was in pim 4.13.97 but not in 4.14  -> offered for autoremove too
[18:09] <yofel> ah yeah, that's gone
[18:09]  * allee dances: korg for the first time remembered my calendar colors after a reboot.  Yeah :-)
[18:11] <allee> so only  amarok and rekonq that need to support baloo and forget nepomuk (and digikam git has baloo support AFAIK)
[18:12] <yofel> .14 has pretty much all nepomuk support removed (hence all those removals you had in the beginning)
[18:12] <yofel> baloo support would be missing though I guess ^^
[18:14] <kdeuser56> allee: sure about digikam? that would be amazing news
[18:24] <allee> kdeuser56: see commit logs at: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository
[18:24] <allee> kdeuser56: so hopefully 4.3 or 4.4  will support baloo
[18:26] <mcstr> i filed the live-config bug at launchpad, still no fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-config/+bug/913874
[18:31] <allee> yofel: not 4.14 spezific I assume: dolphin sftp://localhost open a video and dragonplayer want's to search for a sftp protocol source    Qapt fails to find it.  Cool confusion :-) 
[18:32] <allee> mhmm maybe dragonplayer.desktop should use 'Exec=dragon %f' instead of 'Exec=dragon %u'
[18:37] <allee> yofel: dolphin 'search for' document images ...  does work.  Clicking on them and nothing happens here (same on 4.13.97 on my laptop)
[18:37] <yofel> o.O
[18:38] <allee> 4.14 testers:  dolphin 'search for'  does it work for you?
[18:39] <allee> yofel: running in a shell :   baloosearch test  -> KServiceTypeTrader: serviceType  "BalooSearchStore"  not found
[18:42] <allee> yofel: baloo in 4.13 has 68 files and dirs, baloo4 in 4.14 has 31.
[18:42] <allee> baloo4 has no files in /usr/share/kde4/services
[18:46] <yofel> baloo-utils is supposed to have those
[18:47] <kdeuser56> WTF happened to isolinux.cfg in utopic?
[18:47] <yofel> syslinux 6 moved every file somewhere else just for fun
[18:47] <soee> allee: works after installing baloo-utils as Riddell mentioned
[18:48] <yofel> oh, rohan made baloo-utils required today, that might've not been backported
[18:48] <kdeuser56> yofel: really? you mean the name changed?
[18:51] <yofel> kdeuser56: name shouldn't have changed, but I just noticed that I was thinking about .bin not .cfg
[18:51] <yofel> isn't that part of the image configuration?
[18:51] <kdeuser56> yofel: yeah but the config file is completely different in utopic ... completetely different format ... all my iso customization scripts fail now :-(
[18:52] <yofel> ah, well, we updated from syslinux 4 to 6 which has a bunch of changes..
[18:52] <yofel> (for UEFI IIRC)
[18:54] <kdeuser56> yofel: where do I specify my seed file then? before that I could do that in isolinux.cfg
[18:54] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what kind of data should I report?
[18:54] <yofel> kdeuser56: I'm really not familiar with isolinux customization... I only recently started working with live-build 4 a bit
[18:55] <yofel> kdeuser56: shadeslayer might be able to help you
[18:56] <allee> yofel: how can I easily find all changes done today to kubuntu-packagers  bzr repos?  
[18:56] <yofel> allee: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/
[18:57] <allee> yofel: thx.  and then an educated guess which repo to check  ;-)
[18:58] <yofel> well, anything that tells last modified in "hours" will be within a day, then you'll have to look through all though :/
[18:58] <ahoneybun> there are a lot of packages being held back
[18:58] <ahoneybun> with 4.14 repo on
[18:58] <yofel> ahoneybun: if you don't add the backports PPA
[18:58] <ahoneybun> anyway bbl
[18:58] <ahoneybun> oh
[18:58] <yofel> *don't have it
[18:59] <ahoneybun> I'll add it when I get back
[18:59] <ahoneybun> bbl
[19:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: allee baloo was fixed btw
[19:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: and you backported that to trusty, yes?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:04] <yofel> ok
[19:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:04] <shadeslayer> FTBFS
[19:04] <shadeslayer> much fun
[19:06] <shadeslayer> also, they removed the b43 firmware from linux firmware non free
[19:06] <shadeslayer> in a SRU
[19:06] <yofel> lol
[19:06] <shadeslayer> because, redistributability
[19:06] <shadeslayer> what fun to discover your wifi doesn't work suddenly
[19:06] <shadeslayer> after a upgrade
[19:06] <yofel> manual download still works I hope? ^^
[19:06] <shadeslayer> yeah, it's in proposed
[19:07] <shadeslayer> or well, in case you're talking about the manual download from linux wireless, that would work too
[19:07] <yofel> debian has fun wiki pages for various firmare downloads
[19:10] <kdeuser56> yofel: found the problem: trusty has "vmlinuz.efi" and utopic "vmlinuz"
[19:10] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: please report upstream btw
[19:10] <shadeslayer> and mention it in #ubuntu-devel
[19:11] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: where would configure a bootmenu? so that you configure the default entry and append seed files?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> what, you can't do that via seed files
[19:11] <shadeslayer> sounds a bit mental
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ( adding vmlinuz.efi )
[19:12] <shadeslayer> !find vmlinuz.efi
[19:12] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: i know that 
[19:12] <shadeslayer> oh, maybe I mis understood?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: you want to change the default boot parameters?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: my internet is being shit
[19:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you have a look at why baloo FTBFS'd
[19:13] <yofel> join the club :P
[19:13] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: the default grub entry which is chosen and which seed file is appended to that entry
[19:13] <yofel> but lets see
[19:14] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: and I meant the trusty iso has a folder /caspar/vmlinuz.efi
[19:14] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: cdimage rootfs
[19:14] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage
[19:14] <yofel> you did not run the backport scripts on the new backport
[19:15] <yofel>  libboost1.55-dev : Conflicts: libboost1.54-dev but 1.54.0-4ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[19:15] <shadeslayer> I most certainly did
[19:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: paste.kde.org/po3iftqhv
[19:15] <shadeslayer> whee
[19:16] <yofel> could you please add http:// when you do that, that's not a link for quassel -.-
[19:16] <shadeslayer> firefox is silly
[19:16] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/po3iftqhv
[19:17] <shadeslayer> everything should be piped through IRC
[19:17] <shadeslayer> it's the only protocol than can support such shit networks
[19:17] <shadeslayer> even at Randa everything was down
[19:17] <shadeslayer> except IRC
[19:18] <yofel> hehe
[19:18] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: btw, for gtk it's the same issue as with kde4 applications
[19:19] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: after you have installed gtk2-engines-qtcurve you need to go systemsettings reselect qtcurve in the gtk category and hit apply
[19:20] <shadeslayer> right, that's expected
[19:20] <shadeslayer> I think if you logout and login, that might have worked
[19:21] <shadeslayer> if it does not, it's a bug
[19:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, that's the log for ~ppa1, you have ~ppa4, where's the log for that? ^^
[19:24] <yofel> I usually tend to rather edit the backports instead of backporting again for reasons like this
[19:24] <shadeslayer> I see
[19:24] <shadeslayer> hm
[19:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: that means the hooks weren't updated
[19:24] <shadeslayer> I assumed the hooks were fine
[19:25] <yofel> that means hooks weren't run
[19:25] <yofel> how did you backport it?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> oh? most interesting
[19:25] <shadeslayer> see paste?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> has the command at the top
[19:25] <yofel> that's ~ubuntu14.04~ppa1, ppa has ~ubuntu14.04~ppa4
[19:26] <yofel> and no old history, so that was a fresh backport
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:26] <shadeslayer> I manually edited the changelog
[19:26] <shadeslayer> to be more than 4
[19:26] <shadeslayer> or well
[19:26] <shadeslayer> 3
[19:28] <shadeslayer> chrome seems to work
[19:29] <yofel> no idea what went wrong then, the trusty hook has s/libboost1.55/libboost1.54/g
[19:29] <yofel> outdated hooks on your machine?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> can't be, I did a bzr pull before
[19:31] <yofel> oh well
[19:31] <yofel> are you fixing it or should I?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> I'll do it
[19:31] <shadeslayer> manually
[19:31] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: is gtk2-engines-qtcurve now in for the iso?
[19:31] <yofel> ok
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: heh, we need to add a versioning thing to pull-ninjas-source
[19:41] <shadeslayer> because dget is a POS at times
[19:42] <yofel> versioning?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> pull-ninjas-source baloo 4.0
[19:42] <shadeslayer> pull-ninjas-source baloo 4.0 trusty
[19:42] <yofel> you can't have more than one version of a package in the same release at a time
[19:42] <shadeslayer> hm
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[19:43] <shadeslayer> chromium is broken
[19:43] <yofel> do you want to download "Pending" packages? That can be added..
[19:43] <shadeslayer> not pending, but superseeded
[19:43] <shadeslayer> I already did support for pending earlier today
[19:43] <yofel> ah, still, same thing
[19:44] <shadeslayer> like, how do I download the ppa3 version now
[19:44] <yofel> ah right, superseded can have more than one version :/
[19:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:45] <shadeslayer> so would be nice to pass it the version and then it checks the superseeded packages
[19:45] <shadeslayer> and downloads the matching one
[19:55] <shadeslayer> argh
[19:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: do I need to do anything except make sure baloo depends on boost 1.54?
[19:56] <shadeslayer> I can't see what changes were made betweek ppa1 and ppa3
[20:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending
[20:00] <yofel> that's the only thing I see too...
[20:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: look what I found https://plus.google.com/photos/of/115138410189586016392
[20:07] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:07] <shadeslayer> such a long time
[20:07] <shadeslayer> 3 years since that photo :)
[20:09] <yofel> hehehe, my first conference with you guys that was xD
[20:32] <allee> oh, on a default utopic + plasma5 install :   click on a mp3 in dolphin and no app registered for mp3.  click on play in the preview panel on the right hand side of dolphin and the mp3 plays.   Maybe dolphin should register itself as mp3 player ;-)
[20:35] <allee> yofel: when baloo-utils depends is backported to trusty 4.14 then everything I tried is rock solid.  Congrats to the team!
[20:37]  * allee ponders why contents of baloo4 and baloo-utils is splitted as it is.
[20:37] <yofel> because baloo-kf5
[20:38] <allee> ah that's my only akoandi indexer is in baloo=utils.   akonadi is still kde 4
[20:39] <yofel> baloo (4:4.13.2-0ubuntu3) utopic; urgency=medium
[20:39] <yofel>   * Allow for co-installability with baloo-kf5
[20:39] <yofel>     - create baloo-utils for kdelibs4 parts we want to keep installed
[20:39] <allee> yofel has enlighted allee once again