[06:07] good morning === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv === vinay is now known as Guest68020 [09:00] jmux: limux on slashdot today :( [09:05] I heard a rumor about that -- is it true? or partly true? [09:07] this looks remarkably like a story that was run a year or 2 back and never happened [09:09] sucks that it's on /. whether or not there is any truth to it [09:09] nah there's been more politics recently, the mayor has grumped a bit, it's delayed the sprint announcement for a while [09:09] :( [09:11] i think they won't reveret, it took them 10 years just to switch [09:14] they say they have problems with ODT format , don't they know they also can save as .doc ? [09:15] the UK government just changed to ODT [09:16] (or say they will, will be interesting to see how much that works in practice) [09:16] alket: lots of people don't know that, and don't know about different formats [09:17] whatever the default is, is how they save [09:17] Riddell: we even made it to Slashdot. Guess the new major will be happy. [09:17] For me it's just an iteration from the last stuff. The major complains, but doesn't show any facts. The complete city council calls him nuts, even his own fraction [09:18] The quote from his own it expert was (translated): It's just the opinion of a single lawyer. [09:18] valorie: yeah , and I don't know why citizens would need the editing format, my government sends pdf-s only [09:19] Remeber how long it tok me to get the hackfest / BSP stuff together - why couldn't all this politics not happen a week later [09:19] valorie: office ofc. makes that really great by allowing you to save to ODT but with default fonts and settings that are licensed and thus usually not included in free software (so even if you save to ODF, your documents still need MS office) [09:19] why do I have a tail.. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:20] thank goodness I've not used ms office for over 10 years [09:20] as soon as I could get open office in windows I did [09:20] even before switching to linux [09:21] except for helping kids with homework on the windows machines [09:21] valorie: Well - the most important fonts are free: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ttf-mscorefonts-installer [09:23] oh gosh it's late [09:23] * valorie goes to bed [09:23] niters all [09:24] You could even use their free replacements for Times, Arial and Courier. They almost look the same, but more import they are metrically compatible. [09:51] allee: digikam looking good to me, shall I upload? [09:52] Riddell: great. Yes, please upload. Thx [10:06] allee: uploaded! I'm sure there's more you can help with if you want to get back into the swing of it :) [10:55] Good afternoon. [10:55] Hiyas all [10:56] hi lordievader, BluesKaj: either of you able to help test 4.14? [10:57] Riddell, 4.13.97 ? [10:59] Riddell: I'm sorry. I'm at my parents, without the means to test software. [11:01] BluesKaj: 4.14 is in ninjas [11:01] lordievader: get them to help out too :) [11:02] Riddell: Hehe, you wish. My mother isn't really what you call tech savvy :P [11:04] exactly, the best sort of tester [11:06] Riddell: ninjas ppa pls ? [11:06] also it if for utopic/plasma5 ? [11:08] soee: it's KDE SC 4 [11:08] it's for utopic and trusty [11:08] H0neypie [11:08] I'll be changing that password then [11:08] quick! [11:09] and there was me thinking you were just talking about me :( [11:09] how the hell did that type in here when the password dialogue has focus..... [11:09] does some digging [11:10] Riddell: Oh sweetie don't get upset I still love you ;) [11:10] now you can change it to J0nathanTheAwesome [11:11] or better, use some spaces [11:11] unless it's something really secure like a bank or paypal which doesn't let you use spaces, cos that would be too difficult for them [11:11] No I changed it to Hunter2 nobody will get that [11:12] shadeslayer_: alive today or still coming down from all the drugs? [11:12] just as well this irc hides passwords right so you didn't know I changed it to Hunter2 :) [11:21] hmm, should we change to cmake 3? [11:21] it's in experimental [11:21] debfx can probably answer that best [11:22] Riddell: it breaks some packages [11:22] https://people.debian.org/~fgeyer/cmake-3.0/STATUS has the details [11:23] Riddell: I wish people didn't call it cmake, you see the c you see the ake and then they spoil it with the m and you're still left looking for the cake [11:23] mostly applies to Ubuntu as well [11:27] thanks debfx, I think hedgewars alone there makes that a critical issue [11:31] debfx: was looking because I wanted a cmake 3.0 feature for plasma but I guess I'll keep it at 2.8 compatible [11:32] davmor2: don't you know that the cake is a lie? those hidden cakely clues are just a distraction. [11:32] yeah I think it's a bit early to start depending on 3.0 [11:39] Riddell: how do we get 4.14? [11:46] ahoneybun: it's in ninjas, do you have access to that? [11:47] maybe is it the link on the top of the irc client? [11:47] https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas? [11:50] ahoneybun: nope, go to https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archivesubscriptions - click on View at the right and you'll get the apt url [11:50] and install apt-transport-https and ca-certificates before adding it [11:51] before adding those to the source.list? [11:51] yep, otherwise apt will be rather unhappy [11:51] also is it ok if I stick with trusty or should I upgrade? [11:52] nah, we need the backports tested too [11:53] also it seems I have those already :) [11:54] yofel: should I uninstall nonfree drivers? [11:55] if that's necessary then something's broken... [11:55] Riddell: smooth upgrade on utopic, one warning from apport: update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match apport Default-Stop values (none) [11:59] yofel: I'm saying before hand [12:00] well, all I can say that nothing should break, if it does we have a problem. No upgrade should ever require you do switch drivers [12:00] (unless you intentionally use something like x edgers or so) [12:01] I'm totally out of the loop on the ninjas ppa it looks like I''l stay that way... doesn't look too healthy for Utopic [12:03] yofel: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B2C30B9A0945A8E2 [12:04] ahoneybun: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com B2C30B9A0945A8E2 [12:07] yofel: upgrading now [12:09] yofel, got url for 4.14 other than ubuntu one? [12:11] BluesKaj: ubuntu one? ninjas is the one from private-ppa.launchpad.net [12:12] yofel, that last url you posted for ahoneybun directed me to ubuntu one login of which I'm not a member [12:13] ah, that's his page anyway. I usually prefer giving people their own passwords - but if you don't have a launchpad account I can give you mine [12:14] I have a launchpad account, just can't seem to find the right ninja ppa [12:16] what's your launchpad id? [12:18] yofel, my nick [12:19] BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~blueskaj/+archivesubscriptions should have the PPA now [12:21] Riddell: I was just told that I should redirect all inquires regarding LiMux to our PR office: presseamt@muenchen.de :) [12:23] * jmux just got a mail from a chief reporter of TechRepublic... which I'll redirect as requested [12:24] yofel, nm, not allowed that info , page is private [12:25] BluesKaj: well, you'll have to log in.. [12:25] good morning [12:25] moin scarlett [12:26] yofel, that was after the login [12:26] BluesKaj: that *is* your launchpad id? or was it another one? [12:26] yofel, nevermind this security crap is too clunky [12:26] possibly, I'll PM you mine [12:31] oops that's Trusty , Utopic here [12:46] hi ahoneybun [12:47] ahoneybun: msg'ed === Pici` is now known as Pici [12:52] mm [12:52] halo [12:56] it's a shadeslayer_ [12:56] why do I have a tail [12:56] it's fancy [12:58] mm if you say so [12:58] # [12:59] yofel: btw python harness script for patch parser pushed [12:59] jmux: are your press office trained in dealing with slashdot trolls? :) [12:59] sgclark! welcome back, how was the holiday? [12:59] \o/ [12:59] Riddell: wonderful thank you :) [13:02] sgclark: go anywhere nice? [13:04] Riddell: Small town in Virginia, big get together "Geekend" fun with friends. camping etc. [13:04] soee_: ahoneybun: can you report back from 4.14 tests on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas ? === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [13:05] Riddell: no access :D [13:07] soee_: I sent you the details, what can't you access? [13:08] Riddell: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas [13:08] ^ needs a kde identity account [13:09] soee_: oh I see, it just needs a kde identity account, but you can post here and I'll copy [13:13] Riddell: well - it's their job. At least I would prefer seeing people asking officially, then seeing them shooting wild guesses, very often based on wrong premise / information. === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:21] what happened to project neon 5 iso builds? http://files.kde.org/snapshots/ [13:24] kdeuser56: I still see them there [13:24] they're only made once a week at the end of the week [13:25] Riddell: yeah but 8+7=15 [13:25] needs promotion [13:25] Riddell: today is the 19th [13:25] moment [13:26] kdeuser56: should be there in ~20 minutes [13:27] shadeslayer, Riddel: just for information: that iso 's are the only ones useable in virtualbox [13:27] the utopic iso is not useable in virtualbox for some reason [13:27] kdeuser56: define not usable [13:27] and VBox is not supported [13:27] shadeslayer: what do you mean by "not supported"? [13:28] Plasma 5 needs hw acceleration and vbox has shit support for hw acceleration [13:28] causes all sorts of rendering issues [13:28] shadeslayer: yeah, buts whats the difference between the neon build and the utopic build that causes it to not work at all? [13:28] kdeuser56: again, define not work at all [13:28] it was working last week when I tried it [13:29] shadeslayer: the utopic based one? defintely not this week [13:29] ok, so what's broken [13:30] shadeslayer: not usable: the boot screen shows, suddenly the aspect ratio changes and only colored lines are show (in virtualbox) [13:30] kdeuser56: try pressing host key + f7 and then hostkey + F1 [13:30] should work then [13:31] shadeslayer: give me a few minutes to download the iso and try [13:31] ok [13:33] shadeslayer: what do you recommend then, btw? kvm? [13:33] (quemu) [13:33] actual hardware [13:33] or bug plasma devs in #plasma for vbox support [13:34] shadeslayer: thing is it works ... but only with the neon iso [13:34] and it works quite well [13:34] that's because neon is trusty [13:34] utopic introduced changes to the graphic stack probably [13:34] and caused the issues that you're seeing [13:36] shadeslayer: btw, what I wanted to ask: does the kubuntu next ppa provide debug packages for all packages? [13:36] it should [13:37] ok [13:37] :-) [13:51] * shadeslayer looks at trello [14:07] shadeslayer: kontact works for me in utopic but it's not attached to any accounts [14:08] Riddell: try opening the contacts tab [14:08] in kontact [14:10] shadeslayer: the host key + f7 and then hostkey + F1 works!! [14:10] shadeslayer: thanks for the great support [14:10] kdeuser56: yep, I know [14:10] shadeslayer: what does that do? [14:11] clear fb and redraw it would be my guess [14:11] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pny0xneos [14:11] what I get [14:12] shadeslayer: without that it looks like that for me: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ihXi2hkCPfZ2RCQTN1d0g2Vms/edit?usp=sharing [14:12] yeah I know [14:12] shadeslayer: works for me, I think soee_ is testing on trusty [14:13] hm [14:13] nuking db data folder does the trick [14:13] ah [14:13] shadeslayer: one thing i noticed: why does dolphin look out of place in utopic? [14:13] kdeuser56: because it's from KDE 4 [14:13] not KF5 [14:13] shadeslayer: in neon5 build it integrates just well [14:14] kdeuser56: because that's from frameworks [14:14] Riddell: entirely possible that the error is from not having enough disk space [14:14] shadeslayer: and we do not have themes that work for both versions? [14:14] nope [14:15] shadeslayer: not even separately compiled ones? [14:15] huh? [14:15] shadeslayer: once compiled against kdelibs/qt4 and one against 5? [14:15] like oxygen-qt4 and oxygen-qt5 [14:16] shadeslayer: it will look like shit for users if all application still not ported like shit for the whole next [14:16] year [14:17] because I suppose the porting still takes time for a lot of stuff like pim etc. [14:17] well, yeah, some of the applications will look out of place [14:18] but there are ongoing efforts to make sure they integrate decently [14:21] shadeslayer: so utopic standard iso will be kdelibs/plasma 1 and optional will have the kubuntu-next ppa enabled right? what about project neon? or will that stay trusty only ? [14:21] kdeuser56: we might kill neon [14:21] lets see [14:22] CP is coming [14:22] shadeslayer: CP? [14:22] continuous packaging [14:22] shadeslayer: you guys rock! [14:22] I'm waiting on apachelogger to turn up and give me some info about that [14:25] kdeuser56: what does not work with dolphin in utopic ? [14:26] soee_: it does work, but looks like from 1990 (theme) [14:28] kdeuser56: looks goot to me http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/dolphin1.png [14:28] shadeslayer: can't do dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas [14:28] need to do dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa [14:29] for some reason [14:29] wgrant: that a known bug? ↑ [14:29] Riddell: iv installed 14.0 on utopic [14:29] yay! [14:29] didnt reboot yet though, had to much wirk [14:29] soee_: can you test kontact and file search? [14:29] soee_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ does not look like that [14:29] Riddell: "ppa:kubuntu-ninjas" was deprecated in January 2009 when named PPAs were introduced; you need to use "ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa" [14:30] soee_: yours looks like neon5 version [14:30] soee_: btw is that icontasks in your screenshot? [14:30] kdeuser56: nope, just standard task manager [14:31] is this true? https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2Fnews%2Flimux-rueckkehr-zu-windows-wird-geprueft-1408-108644.html&edit-text [14:31] ovidiu-florin: seems like it [14:32] hm [14:32] jmux: ^^ [14:33] ovidiu-florin: I wonder what happens the recently announced Kolab switch to kmail etc. [14:33] shadeslayer, ovidiu-florin [11:17] For me it's just an iteration from the last stuff. The major complains, but doesn't show any facts. The complete city council calls him nuts, even his own fraction [14:33] ok back [14:33] Riddell: what tests exaclty ? [14:33] jmux: ah ok [14:33] thx [14:33] [11:18] The quote from his own it expert was (translated): It's just the opinion of a single lawyer. [14:34] [14:21] Riddell: I was just told that I should redirect all inquires regarding LiMux to our PR office: presseamt@muenchen.de :) [14:34] So feel free to write a mail. Cannot be enough :) [14:34] soee: whatever shadeslayer had problems with :) [14:35] launchpad is so slow [14:35] slow slow slow [14:35] why is it so slow [14:35] we don't know know know [14:35] soee_: that can't be plain utopic build from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ ... [14:36] soee_: what packages did you add? how does kmail look for you ;-) [14:36] shadeslayer: Working on it... I ordered new database servers six months ago but they haven't been set up yet. [14:37] wgrant: it's alot better than last month though :) [14:37] * shadeslayer is waiting for the db to get updated with his new baloo build so he can run his script [14:37] Which DB? [14:37] kdeuser56: iv installed utopic few weeks ago and im on plasma-next ppa [14:38] soee: isn't plasma_next ppa enabled by default? [14:38] i dont think so [14:38] soee: do you have a kmail screenshot? [14:39] wgrant: the launchpad librarian one [14:39] soee: I'd be really surprised if it looked integrated [14:39] wgrant: it's still fetching the ppa4 build when I uploaded ppa5 5-10 minutes ago ( Downloading https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/baloo_4.14.0-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.10%7Eppa4.debian.tar.xz ) [14:39] jmux: so it's not true? [14:39] ah there we go [14:40] shadeslayer: What do you mean still fetching? That file is 10KiB. [14:40] ovidiu-florin: it's politics, people shout while the workers keep on working [14:40] kdeuser56: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/ksnapshot.png [14:41] Riddell: yeah, but it's bad pubicity [14:41] wgrant: http://paste.kde.org/po3iftqhv && http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-batch-backport [14:41] kdeuser56: im not sure what you mean by integrated, im using qtcurve theme, breeze colors etc [14:41] and breeze icon theme [14:41] soee: damn ... i feel really stupid [14:41] I would like to help with testing KDE 4.14 [14:41] wgrant: but fixed now, db got updated and it fetched the ppa5 version [14:42] hi georgelappies [14:42] soee: you mean that ppa: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next ? [14:42] hi soee [14:42] kdeuser56: yes [14:42] soee: fully updated? [14:43] ovidiu-florin: yes very, it's a shame when politicians can be bought in that way [14:43] ovidiu-florin: no - it's true. They want to set up a commision to investigate the currently unknown problems with LiMux. The major hasn't show any real facts. [14:43] hi georgelappies [14:43] georgelappies: what are you running now? [14:43] hi Riddell [14:43] kdeuser56: add ppa and install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop it you dont have yet [14:43] And BTW - the two other major are currently on holiday, so this guy can basically do whatever he likes. [14:43] what problems are there with LiMux? [14:43] Kubuntu 14.04.1 latest patches and updates all installed, only default repo [14:44] besides human stupidity [14:44] jmux: you have three mayors? [14:44] shadeslayer: Oh, your pull-ppa-source is unnecessarily waiting for the source to be Published. Pending is fine for your purposes. [14:44] georgelappies: sent you the apt/sources.list line [14:44] add that and apt full-upgrade [14:45] wgrant: ah hm [14:45] thanks Riddell, will do [14:45] soee: okay kmail looks integrated here too ... weired ... only dolphin looks shitty [14:45] So if they come back, they will look for the PR, and if it's too bad they'll just say: "oh bad child - you shouldn't have done this", otherwise it'll go on [14:45] shadeslayer: hwat problems you had with 14.0 on utipic ? [14:46] That's what politics is al about - a PR job, and nobody want's to loose it. [14:46] soee: baloo didn't work [14:46] searching ? [14:46] soee: akonadi broke because no disk space [14:47] Riddell: well - at least the british translation is "Lord Mayor" - so wa have on e oth this and two others with different departments [14:47] shadeslayer: dolphin uses baloo when searching for files ? [14:47] soee: funny switched to oxygen, switched back to qtcurve, restarted and everything looks find [14:47] kdeuser56: nice :) [14:47] probably some cache issue [14:48] wgrant: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/196 < fixed, thanks alot :) [14:48] But at the end there isn't taht much they can do without the city council (which called the LM nuts a month ago): http://heise.de/-2262506 [14:49] jmux: it's far more complex than that, the english have mayors of different types, in scotland we have a Provost (apolitical) and Council Leader (political). Edinburgh is twinned with Munich, I wonder if I can get the leader of Edinburgh council to put in a word for Edinburgh's free software industry [14:49] soee: yes confirmed search in dolphin broken, shows "invalid protocol" [14:50] kdeuser56: same here [14:50] Riddell: ^ [14:51] soee: go to 32px in dolphin size and see it fall back to an oxygen icon, confirm? [14:51] soee: (folder icon) [14:51] kdeuser56: nope [14:52] kdeuser56: it is probably the same issu i had, its some icons cache in .kde folder [14:54] kdeuser56: found it: rm ~/.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache [14:54] kdeuser56, soee: using what setup? [14:54] Riddell: utopic, plasma4, 14.0 from ninjas [14:54] *plasma5 [14:55] soee: doesn't work here ... wait 2 minutes for the screencast to uploa [14:55] kdeuser56: relogin or reboot [14:56] soee: password for live cd? [14:56] kdeuser56: just hit enter [14:57] kdeuser56: but you are runnig livecd not normal installation ? [14:57] soee: right [14:57] ah than this might not be the case [14:57] soee: yeah it isn't [15:03] shadeslayer: what do you get for running kmimetypefinder5 --version ? [15:04] soee: ouch ... look at the clock http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/19/kubuntu.png :-( [15:04] the blue tabbar simply has no space ... [15:06] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/phikyx2nw [15:07] good good [15:07] I guess k4aboutdata is broken there [15:08] QString::fromLatin1("TODO" /*KDE_VERSION_STRING*/) [15:08] hmm :) [15:09] heh [15:31] kdeuser56: im not using clock on panel :) [15:31] but ot looks good to me, maybe panel width is importanty [15:31] kdeuser56: re dolphin style, if you go to systems settings > Application Style > Widget Style > select QtCurve again > hit apply , it will work [15:32] shadeslayer: yes I have already discovered that, but thanks anyway [15:32] kdeuser56: cool [15:32] possibly fixed in 5.0.1 [15:32] shadeslayer: see at the comment I wrote at 16:47:34 [15:33] shadeslayer: what does that do? does that modify some config or is it only a cache issue [15:33] cache issue [15:33] I guess [15:33] shadeslayer: I will diff the .kde dir give me a minute [15:34] Plasma 5 does not use .kde [15:34] or well hm, kde4breeze probably does [15:34] shadeslayer: oh :-( ... what else does it use then? [15:35] kdeuser56: ~/.config , ~/.local [15:35] other stuff [15:35] ~/.cache [15:44] shadeslayer: the same is true for the gtk qt cruve style [15:44] hm [15:45] shadeslayer: but let me take another try to confirm it [15:47] shadeslayer: okay I can't get gimp to look integrated at all on the live cd ... [15:49] shadeslayer: "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve", [15:49] m [15:49] mm [15:49] shadeslayer: crazy though ... after many tries at least the color scheme is applied [15:50] shadeslayer: check that out: run "gimp" in command line looks different than launching gimp from kickoff [15:55] shadeslayer: any idea about the last comment? 100% reproducable here [15:56] not really [15:56] I'll try to take a look on Thursday [15:57] shadeslayer: maybe some environment variables are different in konsole and the shell the launches gimp when invoked by kickoff [15:57] probably [15:57] because konsole is KDE4 [16:13] shadeslayer: still here? got a fix [16:13] yep [16:13] oh crap [16:13] I have to go [16:13] shadeslayer: give me 1 minute [16:13] kdeuser56: sure, leave me a message, I'll look at it tonight [16:14] shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/p0vqdl4hm [16:15] that's not a fix [16:15] shadeslayer: no not really, but a workaround [16:15] not even that tbh :p [16:15] since you can't expect everyone to patch kdeglobals [16:16] shadeslayer: put the config values in the file by default [16:16] shadeslayer: or fix qtcurve to write them [16:16] nope [16:16] that's wrong [16:16] re @ fixing qtcurve, nope [16:16] you want kde4breeze to do all of this [16:16] anyway [16:16] I'm off [16:16] cya later this evening [16:17] shadeslayer: c ya [16:26] soee, shadeslayer: for gtk applications to look integrated include the following package in the iso: gtk-engines-qtcurve ... problem solved [16:27] last i checked that was still gtk2-only, so not perfect either [16:28] that should replace oxygen though if we're using qtcurve for qt5 [16:28] shadeslayer: did you look for qtcurve gtk3? IIRC there was some code somewhere on the net [16:29] yofel: don't worry breeze already has an c++ implementation based on oxygen by hugo ... and i guess he will also do the gtk ports [16:30] yofel: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=122376&sid=402c7dd55770467f359872b71483977e [16:30] kdeuser56, soee: to fix baloo in dolphin install baloo-utils [16:30] * Riddell adds to seed [16:30] this was qtcurve, but that's good to know [16:30] yofel: care to cherrypick git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/hpereiradacosta/breeze and create a package ? [16:32] kdeuser56: I'll leave that up to shadeslayer, my primary focus this cycle is release work, meaning kde4 [16:33] yofel: I hope he will still have the faith as with oxygen and make the gtk ports too [16:34] yofel: I guess if Hugo doesn't do it nobody will [16:34] maybe, last I heard was that gtk3 is not too nice to work with. [16:34] * yofel wonders how far kdecoration2 is [16:35]