[01:44] <Righteou5> question, is there any known issue with kde not working correctly in wine games. Example when I open BOTF in xfce the curser is fine but when i open it in kde i have to go below what I want to select for it to work
[01:52] <reborn> hey there?
[01:53] <reborn> why is kubuntu recommender only 32 bit?
[01:55] <tsimpson> reborn: only because it works on both 32 and 64 bit CPUs, if you have a 64 bit CPU you can get the 64 bit version
[01:57] <reborn> thanks for the reply.
[02:36] <Anonymous_> Hello
[02:36] <dougiel> hi
[02:37] <Anonymous_> How are you
[02:37] <dougiel> oops
[02:37] <Anonymous_> What?
[02:37] <dougiel> not allowed to chat in here :P
[02:37] <Anonymous_> Who you
[02:37] <Anonymous_> lol
[02:38] <dougiel> anyway good luck - nite all
[02:38] <Anonymous_> Night
[02:56] <sma> test
[05:49] <Jalm> Fin or Eng? need help
[05:51] <soee> !fi
[05:51] <Tm_T> hei Jalm
[05:52] <Jalm> moi! meninkin jo tonne Fi kanavalle.
[08:44] <marcellus> test
[08:44] <marcellus> test2
[08:50] <valorie> marcellus: what are you testing?
[10:55] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:03] <csj> en....
[12:03] <csj> 原来还有kubuntu聊天室呢
[15:27] <smaudet> Greetings all, I've been testing out kubuntu (and other kde variants) on an older box, and I've noticed that they seem to randomly power down. Is there an issue with the kernel, or running live cds of the newer images? I'm not sure what the problem is, plan is to run these distros for a couple days on a real install and see what happens.
[15:27] <smaudet> Just wondering if there are any known problems at the moment.
[15:27] <smaudet> (I'm talking about 14.04 images)
[15:28] <smaudet> Also if it helps its a core 2 duo laptop, and I was running a 32 bit image, maybe there is a problem with the bit mismatch.
[15:32] <genii> Might be your pwer saving settings in the BIOS
[15:33] <BluesKaj> smaudet, you can run 32 on a 64bit machine without ptoblems, but it could be graphics that are problematic on an older machine
[15:51] <smaudet> BluesKaj: it could be, that machine doesn't have amazing graphics, but it was running pretty smoothly otherwise I thought
[15:54] <smaudet> genii: thanks, I'll check that
[15:54] <smaudet> didn't see your comment before
[16:35] <skinux> How deeply can we customize our installation before we can no longer get support in this channel?
[16:36] <georgelappies> anyway to change the ugly Google notification icon in the notify area??
[16:36] <Walex> skinux: you get no support in this channel, you get volunteer help, if someone feels like to comment.
[16:37] <skinux> I was referring to volunteer help.
[16:37] <Walex> skinux: if you want support, Canonical has support plans that come with clear deliminations.
[16:37] <skinux> I cannot afford to pay for support, that's kind of expensive.
[16:38] <Walex> skinux: volunteer help is up to individuals attending the channel and having free time...
[16:38] <Walex> skinux: but in general it is more or less: using Canonical provided repos and packages is good.
[16:39] <Walex> skinux: BTW, more than Canonical IO could have mentioned the (other) Kubuntu sponsor.
[16:40] <Walex> skinux: "official" repos are good, some PPAs also good (e.g. the KDE PPA for latest KDE SC versions).
[16:40] <Walex> skinux: people here use them, so they may have encountered the same issues.
[16:40] <skinux> Okay.
[16:41] <skinux> I've been having problems with .sh and .bin files, getting permission denied trying to execute them. Right now, it's a .sh file, I've checked permissions and ownership already.
[16:44] <FreeWolF> hello
[16:46] <jubo2> Ciao FreeWolF
[16:46] <jubo2> come stai ?
[16:48] <jubo2> You have a FLGOSS related question, FreeWolF ?
[16:48] <NDS> i lost my windows drives after installing ubuntu. any way to recover them?
[16:48] <jubo2> NDS: have they been written out from the GRUB ?
[16:48] <jubo2> that can be fixed
[16:49] <jubo2> or did some disk management tool destroy the partition journaled data
[16:49] <NDS> jubo2 i made the wrong selection "install ubuntu replacing windows"
[16:49] <jubo2> NDS: if you chose "manual" in the "Disk" portion of the installation you are able to destroy the Windows disk
[16:50] <jubo2> NDS: sry to convey it but that sounds like something that terminates and recycles the existing disk
[16:50] <jubo2> ... apparently using the whole disk
[16:51] <jubo2> NDS: I don't know if data recovery is possible without reloadable backups
[16:51] <NDS> jubo2 i tried a tool called "testdisk" and it waas able to list the lost partitions
[16:51] <FreeWolF> just a question: someone here use steam for linux?
[16:52] <jubo2> NDS: this boots offa removable USB or optic device ( not within the OSes ondisk ?
[16:52] <NDS> jubo2 sorry i didnt get your question
[16:52] <jubo2> I'm sorry I wrote it wrong
[16:53] <jubo2> You started a program called testdisk .. I was asking about in what OS ?
[16:53] <NDS> i was in live mode
[16:54] <jubo2> NDS: I'm sorry. I cannot help you much..
[16:54] <jubo2> I'd guess the data is gone
[16:54] <jubo2> but I dunno
[16:54] <NDS> jubo2 ok. is there anyway i can connect it to my other pc?
[16:55] <jubo2> NDS: yes.. SATA2 and SATA3 are compatible
[16:55] <NDS> jubo2 its a laptop . still can i?
[16:55] <jubo2> this means that nearly any SATAsomething are compatible with standard wiring
[16:55] <jubo2> NDS: you can take the SATA3 drive out of the laptop bottom hatch ( usually )
[16:56] <jubo2> attach it to any standard USBsomenumber-to-SATA
[16:56] <NDS> jubo2 ok. thank you for your help
[16:56] <jubo2> Costs like $3 in China and around the 20€ in Finlan
[16:57] <jubo2> those are just my 'igh figures.. except in Finlan the price is 21-22€ for a cased or noncased USB-to-SATA connection solution
[16:58] <jubo2> I've collected a linky collection of meta-price-searchengines and review sites and review aggregators
[16:58] <jubo2> I get linky
[16:59] <jubo2> http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Price_comparison_services
[17:00] <jubo2> I think I'm going to do my sales and marketing field thesis I'ma do it on these and ethics in theory and ethics in practice
[17:01] <jubo2> and gonna include something about http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Review_aggregators_and_review_sites
[17:03] <jubo2> talk about domain name prices ?
[17:04] <natman> Anyone know if there is any work ongoing with the KDE IM client - Telepathy? I would like to have an encryption option.
[17:04] <jubo2> a .ki will set you back 900€ / annum ( excl. VAT ), and a .wiki will set you back 25.54€ ( excl. VAT )
[17:05] <jubo2> let alone what you have to pay if you want someone's registered trademark or so.. it sports the brand no ?
[17:05] <jubo2> Subways originally started wit 3 restaurants iirc
[17:05] <jubo2> now they're a global brand
[17:23] <smaudet> skinux: buying support is good - it means more Canonical, which means more updates, which means more volunteers...anyways you probably need to chmod +x your .sh files
[17:27] <Flint_> I'm having bluetooth cutting out, is there a fix i might use?
[17:33] <natman> Anyone know if there is any work ongoing with the KDE IM client - Telepathy? I would like to have an encryption option.
[17:34] <Walex> natman: #KDE may be better
[17:35] <tsimpson> there's #kde-telepathy
[18:00] <micahcowan> How to set the umask for desktop automounts?
[18:00] <micahcowan> (so that other users, say, "nobody", can read it)
[18:17] <micahcowan> Looks like udisks --mount DEV --mount-options ...,umask=022 gets _almost_ what I want, except now it's mounted under /media instead of /media/micah.
[18:28] <skinux> For some reason, chmod isn't working for some files in my home directory
[18:28] <skinux> No error, but it doesn't actually do it.
[18:33] <micahcowan> For anyone curious about the answer to mine, the final answer was to use udisksctl, not udisks, and adjust invocation accordingly.
[18:33] <micahcowan> skinux, is it an external mount of a vfat fs?
[18:33] <micahcowan> Er, guess not if it's home dir :)
[18:34] <micahcowan> What's the command you're using?
[19:00] <skinux> No. It's a shell script
[19:01] <skinux> start script for Vim4J, a Java GUI for VIM
[19:21] <rberg> skinux those files are not immutable or owned by root?
[19:21] <skinux> They're owned by my user
[19:21] <skinux> currently only read and write permissions
[19:22] <rberg> no 'i' in there?
[19:22] <skinux> I'm trying to allow executable, but chmod isn't actually doing it.
[19:22] <skinux> Nope, no i
[19:23] <rberg> dang.. cause that would do it
[19:23] <rberg> and if you try to -x it without the script still no error?
[19:24] <rberg> er +x I meant
[19:24] <skinux> I gotta go. I'll try again later.
[20:05] <skinux> rberg: You still in here?
[20:05] <rberg> yeah I am at the controls
[20:09] <skinux> Sorry I had to take off. Can you continue helping me with permissions?
[20:11] <skinux> I've tried doing +x and a+x, with and without sudo. No error, but no change either.
[20:16] <skinux> I also have this problem with .bin files.
[20:20] <skinux> I really don't understand why chmod isn't working on some shell scripts and most bin files.
[20:20] <skinux> Usually I can use graphical file browser to set executable, but that isn't working in this case either.
[20:21] <skinux> And, I swear I'm not trolling
[20:22] <skinux> Graphical change did it now I think.
[20:23] <skinux> Now I'm getting this running ./configure: checking for executable suffix... no
[20:23] <skinux> configure: error: cannot compile a simple program, check CC and CFLAGS
[20:23] <skinux>   (cross compiling doesn't work)
[20:26] <ikonia> cross compiling works fine if you do it right
[20:29] <Pici> skinux: what are you trying to compile?
[20:37] <skinux> Vim4J
[20:37] <skinux> Here is the complete output: http://pastebin.com/adBatum9
[20:45] <rberg> i think there is a config.log or something with more info
[20:47] <kokeboy1> hello. can anyone help me...
[20:47] <buriedalive> skinux package for compilation was installed?
[20:48] <simplify> exit
[20:48] <simplify> opps...
[20:48] <buriedalive> hm
[20:49] <kokeboy1> hey !!
[20:49] <buriedalive> I near u
[20:49] <buriedalive> hey
[20:50] <buriedalive> kokeboy1 whats wrong?
[20:51] <kokeboy1> hello buriedalive. I want to see ALL the chat room of irc,, where I have to go
[20:52] <btm05> My power management settings are ignored. I can set them, but they are not saved, so that when I re-open the configuration settings they are still at the values, before I set them
[20:52] <btm05> This means, that I can't leave my laptop for longer than 10mins unattended otherwise it sleeps.
[20:52] <btm05> Makes compiling a real chore.
[20:53] <btm05> Anyone know how this can be fixed?
[20:53] <btm05> configured?
[20:53] <buriedalive> kokeboy1 your client irc?
[20:55] <kokeboy1> quassel... are there any better
[20:55] <BluesKaj> btm05, is the power management checked in the tray icon popup?
[20:55] <btm05> kokeboy1, you should try it once for the experience, but assuming you're on freenode or the like there are a _lot_ of chat rooms.
[20:56] <BluesKaj> kokeboy1, you'll flood your irc client there are thousands of chatrooms on freenode
[20:56] <btm05> BluesKaj, not sure? I can see something about a battery monitor?
[20:56] <buriedalive> kokeboy1 /list command typing
[20:56] <btm05> I'm new to kubuntu and ubuntu generally.
[20:57] <buriedalive> and you see all chat rooms
[20:59] <btm05> There's something strange about the configuration options in kubuntu: I have the option to change settings in the system settings in kde
[20:59] <BluesKaj> btm05, click in the system tray , choose system tray settings then entries>battery monitor >always visible, then  setup your choices in system settings>power management
[20:59] <btm05> And then I also have the oppertunity to change settings in 'Settings'
[21:00] <btm05> which one has precedence?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> oddly enough it;s enable power management in the system tray
[21:02] <BluesKaj> then the system settings power management choices will work, btm05
[21:03] <btm05> BluesKaj: Ok, it's the same dialog that I see when I use the kde system settings.
[21:03] <btm05> But this time it will work?
[21:03] <btm05> Well, I hope so! Thanks BluesKaj ;)
[21:05] <BluesKaj> btm05, I hope so too :)
[21:17] <Hrmx1___> Is there any option to make the scrolling more smooth? I tried now several input devices and for all of those the scrolling is very stuckish in opposite to windows.
[21:20]  * Wizard yawns
[21:24] <skinux> buriedalive: What do you mean by package for compilation? I have the source if that's what you mean.
[21:29] <btm05> BluesKaj: Thanks, that seems to have worked with the power saving.
[21:33] <Wizard> Hmm, is plasma-netbook still officially supported?
[21:44] <skinux> I'm trying to compile from ./configure, package is Vim4J
[21:44] <skinux> @buriedalive
[21:46] <Wizard> skinux: And?
[21:47] <skinux> I was answering his question
[21:47] <Wizard> :)
[21:47] <skinux> If you're offering help, here is the output: http://pastebin.com/adBatum9
[21:49] <Wizard> Weird. build-essential installed?
[21:49] <Wizard> It has to use some weird gcc flags to check if it works.
[21:49] <Wizard> Or.. it requires gcj to build (yuck!)
[21:49] <skinux> Yes, it's installed.
[21:50] <skinux> Is there a better option than GCJ?
[21:50] <Wizard> configure.log may shed some light on what's going on.
[21:50] <Wizard> This is really weird.
[21:51] <Wizard> Do you have any cross compiling gcc set as default gcc or something?
[21:52] <skinux> http://pastebin.com/adBatum9 I've added config.log
[21:52] <skinux> I haven't specifically set anythign
[21:54] <Wizard> configure:1031:20: error: '__CYGWIN32__' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:54] <Wizard>  #define __CYGWIN__ __CYGWIN32__
[21:54] <Wizard> o_O
[21:54] <Wizard> Building on Windows or what?
[21:58] <skinux> Kubuntu Linux
[21:58] <skinux> Technically Ubuntu with Kubuntu desktop installed
[21:59] <skinux> Ohh..do I need to install some kind of Cygwin libs?
[21:59] <Wizard> Definitely not, cygwin is GNU for Windows.
[21:59] <Wizard> Hmmm
[22:00] <Wizard> you could try regenerating configure script
[22:00] <Wizard> With autofoo
[22:00] <Wizard> However, I can't recall how shoud it be done
[22:00] <Wizard> 1st!
[22:00] <Wizard> It's midnight and I'm thinking on going to sleep
[22:01] <skinux> Why do we need to compile against Cygwin if we're running Linux???
[22:01] <skinux> I thought Cygwin was for compiling/running nix apps for/on Windows.
[22:01] <Wizard> It is.
[22:02] <skinux> Hmm.
[22:02] <skinux> Then why should I be cross-compiling??
[22:02] <Wizard> I'm telling you, something is screwed with this configure script.
[22:02] <skinux> Okay.
[22:02] <Wizard> I'd try generating it with autofoo
[22:04] <skinux> I can't find any such tool
[22:04] <Wizard> autogen.sh
[22:04] <Wizard> Should be in source tree
[22:04] <skinux> Okay
[22:05] <skinux> It's not.
[22:05] <Wizard> :S
[22:05] <skinux> I'll use autogen
[22:05] <Wizard> Than autoconf
[22:05] <Wizard> However I'm not very much accustomed with these medieval tools.
[22:05] <skinux> Sorry, it's been a long time since I compiled from source.
[22:06] <skinux> Would you suggest any better tools?
[22:07] <Wizard> Nah, unfortunately it is not your choice at the moment.
[22:07] <skinux> Okay.
[22:07] <skinux> What would you suggest in general?
[22:07] <Wizard> Finding out how to regenerate configure script.
[22:08] <Wizard> autoconf does it, probably
[22:08] <skinux> No, that didn't help
[22:09] <Wizard> Than I'm out of ideas :/
[22:10] <skinux> Yeah, I figured.
[22:10] <Wizard> Sorry :(
[22:11] <skinux> I won't keep trying. Software which doesn't come ready to compile obviously isn't worth my trouble anyway.
[22:11] <skinux> What is the best way to upgrade when apt says there are upgradable packages?
[22:13] <Wizard> Any. apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade or muon.
[22:14] <Wizard> They all do the same, so use whatever fits your needs.
[22:14] <Wizard> I usually just click "update" when an update notification appears.
[22:18] <skinux> I never see any such notifications
[22:18] <jubo2> Shukran, Shukran FLGOSS devels
[22:18] <jubo2> All you lovely people who actually make the pull requests
[22:19] <jubo2> and who actually send patches and such upstream instead of flabbing their mouth on irc
[22:19] <jubo2> But I'm good at flabbing my mouth in irc
[22:19] <jubo2> They also say my cooking is good
[22:19]  * skinux doesn't even know how to make a patch
[22:19] <jubo2> My code is horrible spaghetti.. I haven't coded in 7 yrs
[22:20] <skinux> I mostly write in PHP
[22:20] <jubo2> I'm much better at human languages. I've been sampling language no. 9, Brasilian Portuguese
[22:20] <Wizard> !op
[22:20] <jubo2> Looks like Polish is gonna be lang no. 10
[22:21] <skinux> Polish is a language?
[22:21] <skinux> Programming language, that is?
[22:21] <jubo2> They ( mostly ##learnanylanguage ) say that if you know one slavic language even a somewhat it's helpful in learning Polska
[22:21] <Wizard> :S
[22:22] <jubo2> skinux: nah.. I've tried some computer languages but I'm no good at them
[22:22] <skinux> Oh...spoken language
[22:22] <skinux> I at least used to be good enough Java, might be good in PHP
[22:22] <Wizard> jubo2: Skarpetki, sandały i torba z biedronki. A teraz skończ.
[22:22] <jubo2> I hear ruby and haskell are really nice
[22:22] <Wizard> skinux: I code java daily at work.
[22:23] <skinux> I've written databasing code in PHP, written most of a chat server in Java, C#, and Python
[22:23] <jubo2> voda? gazovnii dzikuje. Wizard: did that go even relatively right ?
[22:23] <skinux> As in, I mostly wrote it entirely in each language. I didn't use three languages for one program
[22:23] <jubo2> I want my water with bubbles
[22:23] <Wizard> !op
[22:24] <jubo2> Wizard: isn't dzinkuje thanks in Polska ?
[22:24] <Wizard> Time to sleep
[22:24] <Wizard> Good night ;)
[22:24] <jubo2> nighty night Wizardzor
[22:25] <Mamarok> Wizard: why do you call for ops?
[22:26] <jubo2> I hear there is this thing.. I think it was in Ruby.. you define the relations of the objects and it generates like 100% of the needed SQL
[22:26] <jubo2> that's pretty candy
[22:26] <jubo2> I used to wear the bench at academic CS in Uni of Helsinki for 11 yrs on-and-off
[22:26] <Mamarok> jubo2: you do know this is users support for Kubuntu, don't you?
[22:27] <Mamarok> so 'please stay on topic, or take your chat to #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:27] <jubo2> It is..? Well is there any problem. Mu Kubuntu14 I'm writing this one is excellent
[22:28] <jubo2> Mamarok: so reminecing about computery stuff is offtopic and.. yeah 'k 'k .. /j #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:29] <valorie> jubo2: this is a kubuntu help channel
[22:29] <valorie> please keep other stuff in -offtopic -- it is a very friendly channel, don't worry
[22:29] <Mamarok> jubo2: the problem is the topic: user support, everything that is not users support is offtopic, else this would make users support here rather difficult if everybody is doing chit-chat here
[22:30] <jubo2> Mamarok: tru dat
[22:30] <jubo2> I'm going to see if I like lurking in #kubuntu-offtopic and thanks to all FLGOSS devels
[22:39] <SelenaG> !ops
[22:40] <SelenaG> !ops | (oerheks)
[22:44] <SelenaG> !ops | HELP CHANNEL EMERGENCY!
[22:45] <SelenaG> !ops | HELP CHANNEL EMERGENCY!\
[22:54] <Wash_Jones> Hey everyone. Trying to do a Kubuntu install with full disk encryption. Is there an alternate installer for that?
[23:11] <TelMeUK> Hello
[23:15] <valorie> good lord
[23:42] <mhall119> valorie: are you aware that emails are being sent out as you to various mailing lists about "101 Pines/Horseshoe Lake"?
[23:43] <valorie> what a disaster
[23:43] <valorie> I've just heard
[23:47] <k10_> Hi all