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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:00 |
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| Laney | hai | 08:02 |
| Sweetsha1k | can has coffee? | 08:04 |
| Sweetsha1k | visible "hai desktopers!" | 08:05 |
| Sweetsha1k | kthxbye | 08:05 |
| * Sweetsha1k needs to learn to write lolcode more fluently. We should make that the default language for ./debian/rules. | 08:06 | |
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| willcooke | morning all | 08:10 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, Sweetshark, willcooke | 08:21 |
| seb128 | wie gehts? | 08:21 |
| willcooke | dut, danke | 08:22 |
| willcooke | *gut | 08:22 |
| seb128 | https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/unity8/lp-1350878/+merge/231248 | 08:22 |
| seb128 | nice, bregma has a workaround for the unity8-desktop-next login issue | 08:23 |
| seb128 | code workaround in compiled code | 08:23 |
| seb128 | but that's a step toward a solution ;-) | 08:23 |
| willcooke | woot! Thanks bregma, just in time for my new touchscreen laptop arriving | 08:23 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:23 |
| Laney | what is this define?!?!?! | 08:24 |
| willcooke | ha, DONT_HANG_DESKTOP | 08:25 |
| willcooke | seb128, @ email | 08:27 |
| seb128 | that mp seems incomplete/buggy to me | 08:27 |
| seb128 | it's also weird it only change a mock | 08:27 |
| seb128 | willcooke, did you read it yet? | 08:27 |
| willcooke | reading it now | 08:27 |
| willcooke | makes sense | 08:27 |
| ochosi | hey folks | 08:27 |
| seb128 | cool | 08:27 |
| seb128 | hey ochosi | 08:27 |
| willcooke | I think I made a typo, not 16.10.. 14.10 | 08:27 |
| seb128 | I was unsure | 08:27 |
| ochosi | since FF is approaching, are there any plans to upgrade e.g. evince or file-roller to 3.12? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | ochosi, no | 08:28 |
| ochosi | i'm just asking cause we (xubuntu) are very happy with 3.10 | 08:28 |
| seb128 | those use csd | 08:28 |
| ochosi | since there is no csd | 08:28 |
| ochosi | ah, good :) | 08:28 |
| ochosi | that was basically what i wanted to know | 08:28 |
| seb128 | good then ;-) | 08:28 |
| ochosi | i guess there'll still be 3rd party apps with csd in the repos though | 08:29 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I was unsure, because the plan for 14.10 would be minimal if we decide to not do the transition this cycle | 08:29 |
| seb128 | ochosi, right, nothing you can do against that though. Like they are motif apps in the repos, users can choose to use them or not | 08:29 |
| willcooke | seb128, yeah - I think you're plan is very sensible. | 08:29 |
| ochosi | seb128: sure, just as long as the apps we install by default don't look totally out of place i'm more or less ok with anything else ;) | 08:29 |
| seb128 | ochosi, same for us, we do control of things that are installed by default, because we push them to users | 08:30 |
| seb128 | things that can be installed, users can get them and see if they like what they get or not, and if they don't, look for alternative options | 08:30 |
| ochosi | yup, totally agreed | 08:31 |
| ochosi | i guess for 15.04 we'll need a new plan though, i guess it'll be hard to keep CSD out forever | 08:31 |
| seb128 | yeah, it's going to be the same discussion as every cycle... | 08:33 |
| seb128 | either make csd work well enough !gnome-shell, or patch apps or replace them | 08:33 |
| Laney | "Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked" | 08:34 |
| Laney | this is an abort() | 08:34 |
| Laney | that's what kills Do | 08:34 |
| ochosi | seb128: hmm yeah. i guess unity and xfce are on the same side on this subject | 08:34 |
| RAOF | Laney: Yeah. | 08:35 |
| Laney | RAOF: you looked into where it comes from? | 08:35 |
| RAOF | Laney: I suspect the same update has killed Geary in some way - both new and old versions never finish loading the main window. | 08:35 |
| Laney | There's a new implementation of GMutex in this glib | 08:36 |
| RAOF | Orly? | 08:36 |
| Laney | ecf13591 glib/gthread-posix.c (Ryan Lortie 2014-06-29 17:47:10 -0400 1320) fprintf (stderr, "Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked\n"); | 08:37 |
| Laney | ecf13591 glib/gthread-posix.c (Ryan Lortie 2014-06-29 17:47:10 -0400 1321) abort (); | 08:37 |
| willcooke | hey larsu | 08:38 |
| larsu | willcooke: good morning! | 08:39 |
| larsu | and hi everyone else, good to see you :) | 08:39 |
| RAOF | Laney: Ah, yes. Downgrading glib fixes Geary, too. | 08:40 |
| seb128 | oh, a larsu! | 08:40 |
| seb128 | larsu, wb ;-) | 08:40 |
| Laney | RAOF: Was it this same abort()? | 08:40 |
| RAOF | Laney: No, it didn't abort(), it just deadlocked. | 08:40 |
| larsu | hi seb128 :) | 08:40 |
| Laney | oho | 08:41 |
| seb128 | deeesssrrrt | 08:41 |
| seb128 | what did you do to glib! | 08:41 |
| * RAOF suspects that the new GMutex is not all that and a bag of potato chips | 08:41 | |
| Laney | hey larsu! | 08:41 |
| Laney | good hols? | 08:41 |
| larsu | Laney: _very_ good | 08:42 |
| larsu | Laney: currently waking up after a long sleep (just got back last night) | 08:43 |
| larsu | glad to see the computer still works :) | 08:43 |
| Laney | don't upgrade glib :P | 08:43 |
| larsu | lol | 08:43 |
| * Sweetshark somehow lost track when the discussion turned to when cristopher street day will become part of Ubuntu. | 08:46 | |
| * Sweetshark scans backlog. | 08:46 | |
| Laney | Sweetshark: go save Munich plz | 08:47 |
| Sweetshark | Laney: :/ -- no comment on that one in public. But yeah, working on it obviously. | 08:48 |
| jpds | You just commented on it in public. | 08:48 |
| Laney | RAOF: ah, I know the Geary one | 08:50 |
| Laney | it's a vala code generation issue, no-change rebuild against current vala fixes it | 08:50 |
| Sweetshark | jpds: well yeah. I know about the issue, thats it as a public statement. | 08:50 |
| ochosi | seb128: just out of curiosity, did you patch the open-file dialog (cause iirc that also has CSD in gtk3.12)? | 08:51 |
| RAOF | Laney: That's only exposed by the new glib? | 08:51 |
| RAOF | Laney: Because downgrading glib makes it work without a rebuild. | 08:51 |
| Laney | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733500 | 08:51 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 733500 in Code Generator "Vala's handling of GMutex/GCond structs causes deadlocks" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] | 08:51 |
| seb128 | ochosi, yes | 08:51 |
| ochosi | seb128: ok :) i was afraid what would happen when i hit file -> open in utopic and then felt extremely relieved to see that it's not broken :> | 08:52 |
| seb128 | hehe | 08:52 |
| ochosi | thanks for that! | 08:52 |
| seb128 | that's one of the things that we had on the "need to be fixed before landing new GTK" | 08:52 |
| seb128 | thanks to larsu, he did the work ;-) | 08:53 |
| ochosi | thanks larsu :) | 08:53 |
| larsu | :) | 08:53 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: so, I guess I have a fix for bug 1357700, but havent checked the upgrade path yet (e.g. build in ppa, update to it from a vanilla VirtualBox). | 09:05 |
| ubot5 | bug 1357700 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "package libreoffice-base 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libjdbclo.so', which is also in package libreoffice-base-drivers 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357700 | 09:05 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, wasn't that one of the commits your pointed me at yesterday? | 09:05 |
| Sweetshark | wanna sponsor as is to quickly fix this, or wait a few hours for the ppa build. | 09:06 |
| seb128 | it can wait a few hours I think | 09:06 |
| Sweetshark | yes, that was the commits yesterday -- took some time to build locally :/ | 09:06 |
| Sweetshark | alright. | 09:06 |
| willcooke | seb128, initial reports are that the guys in China are OK with not switching to fcitx for 14.10 | 09:29 |
| Laney | wait what | 09:29 |
| willcooke | Laney, I'm worried that switching wholesale at this point is too risky. | 09:30 |
| willcooke | we can still get the support in for indicators, control centre etc, but making it the default today (2 days ahead of feature freeze) is, IMHO, a big risk | 09:30 |
| seb128 | Laney, the mir is a stack of components and didrocks listed a list of issues and is on holidays, I even doubt we are going to manage to get it promoted this week | 09:31 |
| seb128 | Laney, we are suggesting changing the goal for "enable support for fcitx, don't install it by default/don't make it used for Chinese" for this cycle | 09:32 |
| seb128 | we can discuss that during the meeting later | 09:32 |
| Laney | I know about the issues, this is just coming as a surprise (I didn't see it discussed on channel) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | we are discussing it now :p | 09:33 |
| seb128 | discussion started earlier over email, we are sort of moving it to IRC there | 09:33 |
| Laney | we could make im-config support a conf.d directory so that other people can override the default if they want | 09:36 |
| Laney | otherwise, fair enough, should have worked on the MIR earlier | 09:36 |
| seb128 | right | 09:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fcitx/+bug/1356222 | 09:38 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1356222 in librime (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 09:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, look at that one | 09:38 |
| seb128 | that and I don't see anyone picking up that review while didrocks is on vac | 09:38 |
| Laney | I saw it | 09:39 |
| seb128 | ups | 09:39 |
| seb128 | k | 09:39 |
| seb128 | so we would need a freeze exception, it feels like to much forcing in without strong rational | 09:39 |
| Laney | If we're talking about Kylin it is universe anyway & what we decide shouldn't necessarily bother them too much | 09:39 |
| seb128 | right | 09:40 |
| seb128 | Kylin is already on fcitx since saucy | 09:40 |
| Laney | indeed | 09:40 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: building https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging-proposed/+builds?build_state=building | 09:42 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, is that new? I though it was building since yesterday? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | oh ok, seems it's a new upload, k | 09:43 |
| seb128 | k, I'm out for some errands and early lunch, back in an hour | 09:45 |
| willcooke | morning qengho | 09:54 |
| qengho | hiya, will! | 09:55 |
| willcooke | qengho, how was the first day of big school? | 09:55 |
| willcooke | that was your kid, right? | 09:56 |
| qengho | willcooke: my kid had a great first day. | 09:58 |
| willcooke | yay! | 09:58 |
| qengho | willcooke: When asked, the only memorable parts were, playdoh is awesome, and he likes where he sits at lunch. | 09:59 |
| willcooke | :D | 09:59 |
| willcooke | And this afternoon you'll ask what he did you'll be told "nothing" or "I can't remember" | 10:00 |
| Sweetshark | Laney, jpds: here is some nice info on munich: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpiratenpartei-bayern.de%2F2014%2F08%2F19%2Fmuenchener-it-zurueck-in-die-vergangenheit%2F&edit-text=&act=url | 10:20 |
| popey | seb128: if you have time, could you take a look at this merge to help our MATE running friends? ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu/utopic/policykit-desktop-privileges/mate-fixes/ | 10:36 |
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| seb128 | popey, hey, sure | 11:26 |
| popey | thanks seb128 | 11:26 |
| seb128 | yw! | 11:26 |
| seb128 | qengho, hey, what happened to the fixed chromium that was supposed to be uploaded yesterday? | 11:26 |
| seb128 | still seems buggy on utopic today | 11:26 |
| qengho | seb128: I didn't find the problem. I'm bisecting build-deps to find the cause now. | 11:27 |
| seb128 | qengho, oh ok, I though you said you would have a fixed version "today"? | 11:28 |
| qengho | seb128: I was too optimistic. | 11:29 |
| seb128 | qengho, it shouldn't take us over a week to get back to a working browser when we upload a buggy version :/ | 11:29 |
| qengho | seb128: the same source works on P and T. Something changed elsewhere in U. | 11:30 |
| seb128 | qengho, right, I understand, still we ought to be able to resolve those issues in less than a week, that's too long of a time to let use down without a working browser | 11:30 |
| qengho | seb128: can I build on T and have that uploaded to U? | 11:31 |
| seb128 | no | 11:31 |
| qengho | I didn't think so. | 11:31 |
| seb128 | but you can force a compiler version | 11:31 |
| seb128 | like build with gcc 4.8 if 4.9 is the issue | 11:31 |
| seb128 | since we have both versions in the archive | 11:31 |
| seb128 | gatox, hey | 11:40 |
| gatox | seb128, hi.. i was just about to ping you | 11:40 |
| seb128 | gatox, do you still plan to resume work on the updates panel? I was pondering reworking the UI to use a Column rather than anchors, that would make easier to resolve some of the UI issues, but I don't want to conflict work | 11:40 |
| seb128 | gatox, oh, about settings I guess? ;-) | 11:41 |
| gatox | seb128, i was about to ask you if someone else is working in updates... because i'm still with some tasks of pay... and eveytime i think i'm done, a new task appear :P so i don't know for sure when i'm going to be able to look into that | 11:41 |
| seb128 | gatox, ok, I'm going to start on the UI reshuffle then | 11:42 |
| gatox | seb128, so..... go ahead... and if at some point i can go back to updates... i'll start a fresh branch for whatever | 11:42 |
| seb128 | gatox, I might also change the widget for list items to be a column | 11:42 |
| seb128 | k | 11:42 |
| seb128 | gatox, it would be nice if you could finish your work on the battery check though | 11:42 |
| gatox | seb128, yes... but i haven't have the time for that :S | 11:43 |
| seb128 | what is missing? | 11:43 |
| gatox | seb128, it was having issues with QtSettings not working properly on the n4... just that... and i tried to look at the battery plugin to see if i could use that... but i think it doesn't provide the proper info that updates need to check (but this last part is not necessary if QtSettings works in the phone) | 11:45 |
| seb128 | QtSystems you mean, right? | 11:46 |
| gatox | seb128, yes, sorry.... that | 11:46 |
| seb128 | k | 11:46 |
| seb128 | I guess I can try to have a look to that as well, if I'm done with the UI changes and you are still busy with the pay work by then | 11:47 |
| gatox | seb128, if QtSystems is working now on the phone (that it should), the branch is ready | 11:47 |
| seb128 | gatox, ok, let me try it | 11:47 |
| seb128 | RAOF, 2.41 is an unstable serie, that's not a bugfix update ;-) | 11:49 |
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| pitti | desrt_: hey Ryan, how are you? | 13:03 |
| pitti | desrt_: would you mind wrapping a systemd-shim 7 tarball? | 13:03 |
| pitti | desrt_: I fixed a few small bugs, and we could package that properly instead of the debian/patches mess that we have ATM | 13:04 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, wie gehts? | 13:04 |
| pitti | seb128: gut, danke! und dir? | 13:04 |
| seb128 | auch gut, danke ;-) | 13:05 |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine | 13:05 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 13:05 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine | 13:05 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ooh -- you are someone who could review/approve https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/notify-osd/fix-autopkgtest/+merge/219293 (which is trivial and has been lingering for 3 months) | 13:06 |
| pitti | kenvandine: *batting eyelashes* | 13:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, done | 13:07 |
| kenvandine | :) | 13:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, feel free to do a land for it (or I can do one for you if you want) | 13:08 |
| seb128 | speaking of landing | 13:08 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I would like to do an u-s-s one today, we have a few nice fixes there | 13:08 |
| seb128 | do you have anything else you want to get lined up for it? | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | seb128, planning to | 13:08 |
| pitti | seb128: if it's not too much trouble for you? landing process has changed 5 times since my training, and I haven't actually done any | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i think so | 13:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, k, doing it | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | i need to check fixes from jgdx first | 13:08 |
| seb128 | k | 13:09 |
| pitti | seb128: or, if you have a pointer to docs and some minutes to hand-hold me, I'm also willing to learn | 13:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you handle the landing for u-s-s then? | 13:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, that works too | 13:09 |
| kenvandine | seb128, will do | 13:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, I don't know if there is documentation on how to do landings :/ | 13:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, but it's basically "add a line to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain" (which is self explanatory mostly) | 13:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, then drive things from http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ | 13:12 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 13:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, want to do the notify-osd one together? | 13:13 |
| pitti | seb128: sure, thanks! | 13:13 |
| pitti | seb128: who is the "lander"? | 13:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, you | 13:13 |
| seb128 | whoever does the landing/clicking on buttons | 13:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, you can skip comments if you don't have any | 13:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, I don't think notify-osd has a testplan, you can write something like "restart an unity desktop session and check that notifications are still working" | 13:15 |
| pitti | seb128: you can see me typing? | 13:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, not typing, but once you validate an entry I see it | 13:15 |
| seb128 | I also see on which one you are | 13:15 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm adding line 36 | 13:15 |
| seb128 | right | 13:15 |
| pitti | seb128: "QA signoff needed" -> ? | 13:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, so you don't need qa signoff for a small change like that | 13:15 |
| seb128 | that's usually when you have disruptive changes and want QA to run the tests for you as well | 13:16 |
| pitti | seb128: MP following guidelines -> which guidelines? | 13:16 |
| pitti | it has a commit message, signoff from jenkins, but not much else | 13:16 |
| seb128 | the ones for the projects, I don't think notify-osd has somes | 13:16 |
| seb128 | just put "yes" ;-) | 13:16 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, let me quickly re-run this, as it's already three months old | 13:17 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you have access to the "landing team tools" menu on the gdoc page? | 13:17 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry, can't see where this is? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, if you have it, after "help" in the gdoc menubar | 13:18 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry, are we talkign about the landing sheet here? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:19 |
| seb128 | but that might be a group where sil2100 needs to add you (from memory) | 13:19 |
| seb128 | since sil2100 is away for a while I can do that action for you now, and we can have him adding you when he's back | 13:19 |
| pitti | "Find" doesn't find anything related to "Help" except comments from unity8 landingd | 13:20 |
| pitti | meh, the tests fail now | 13:21 |
| pitti | yay for stalling test fixes for 3 months | 13:21 |
| pitti | it's still a correct change of course, but apparently not sufficient any more | 13:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/landing.png | 13:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, easier to explain with a screenshot :p | 13:22 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I do have that | 13:22 |
| seb128 | k | 13:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, you have "assign to silo" in it? | 13:22 |
| pitti | yes | 13:22 |
| seb128 | k | 13:22 |
| seb128 | so you have access | 13:22 |
| seb128 | but need to fix the mp first | 13:23 |
| willcooke | looky what I got: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--AZ0v-MtSIg/U_NQrbVIIxI/AAAAAAAAH0Y/j65hOUlBvAo/w1207-h905-no/IMG_0626.JPG | 13:28 |
| seb128 | willcooke, nice | 13:29 |
| larsu | nice | 13:29 |
| willcooke | First things first, take it apart | 13:29 |
| seb128 | you got a new disk to put in there? | 13:29 |
| willcooke | yeah, bought a cheapo 64GB SS | 13:30 |
| willcooke | D | 13:30 |
| seb128 | that's going to make the machine nicer to user | 13:30 |
| seb128 | -r | 13:30 |
| willcooke | So far, I'm loving the form factor and the touch screen | 13:30 |
| seb128 | yeah, that laptop is quite nice | 13:31 |
| seb128 | not too heavy, nice materials | 13:32 |
| seb128 | you also easily get used to tap the screen to click on buttons ;-) | 13:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, sorry about the mp status change spam, tried to get the ui to display the current revision as approved, I think I got it | 13:36 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, fixed now, MP updated and tested in both failing (for showing the log) and succeeding case; I set "testing pass" to Yes now | 13:37 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 13:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, so now you can go to the gdoc, select your line and use the landing tool -> assign to silo item | 13:38 |
| pitti | seb128: I suppose request ID and assigned silo get auto-generated? | 13:38 |
| pitti | "This app needs authorization to run. | 13:38 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:38 |
| pitti | ok, it didn't complain | 13:39 |
| pitti | but also didn't apparently do anything to my line | 13:39 |
| Laney | blerk, why doesn't this monitor turn on? | 13:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, the sync takes some time, did it open a jenkins page or something? | 13:40 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: ahhhhh my eyes kill it, kill it with fire ;) Nice laptop though you might need to improve the os a bit though :) | 13:40 |
| pitti | seb128: no, just the google auth, then got me back to the gdoc | 13:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, hum, can you try again? | 13:40 |
| Laney | the first auth often doesn't work | 13:40 |
| Laney | the first operation after authenticating* | 13:40 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, now I get a box "Reconfigure row 36 in an Existing Silo" | 13:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, so it probably worked previous time | 13:41 |
| willcooke | davmor2, :DD | 13:41 |
| pitti | seb128: ack, after "Proceed" now I got a jenkins page | 13:41 |
| willcooke | davmor2, it's ok, the back is off now | 13:41 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm on https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/ | 13:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/1465/console | 13:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, suggest it went wrong | 13:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you pick "assign silo"? | 13:41 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, but pehaps it conflicted with the previous failed one? | 13:42 |
| pitti | what Laney said | 13:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, that's weird, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/ has no recent job before the failing one | 13:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, delete the request id and try again? | 13:43 |
| pitti | "Assign row 36 to a New Silo" | 13:43 |
| pitti | ah, that sounds better | 13:43 |
| seb128 | indeed | 13:43 |
| pitti | " Assign a silo with preproduction CI Train code. " | 13:43 |
| pitti | do I want that? | 13:43 |
| seb128 | where is that option? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | don't change any default | 13:44 |
| seb128 | just click through? | 13:44 |
| pitti | seb128: http://picpaste.com/silo.png | 13:45 |
| seb128 | no | 13:45 |
| seb128 | just click the blue label | 13:45 |
| pitti | https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/1466/console | 13:45 |
| seb128 | good | 13:45 |
| seb128 | you got silo 018 | 13:45 |
| seb128 | pitti, you can use http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=notify now | 13:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, go there and click "build" | 13:46 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ updated now | 13:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, that brings you to a jenkins page, no box to check, just click the button | 13:46 |
| pitti | seb128: OOI, where do I get that link? | 13:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=notify | 13:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, you have a row with red labels | 13:47 |
| seb128 | those are links | 13:47 |
| seb128 | 018 ppa ... | 13:47 |
| seb128 | "Build" in that line | 13:47 |
| pitti | building | 13:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, good, now you need to wait for the build to be done, switch the "testing" case in the gdoc to yes and then you can click "publish" to upload to distro | 13:48 |
| * Laney cries | 13:48 | |
| seb128 | pitti, then "clean" once it migrated in release | 13:48 |
| pitti | seb128: ack | 13:48 |
| pitti | seb128: merci beaucoup pour ton aide ! | 13:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, what's the issue? | 13:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, de rien ! | 13:48 |
| Laney | dead monitor | 13:49 |
| seb128 | :-( | 13:49 |
| Laney | tried swapping kettle lead, no luck | 13:50 |
| Laney | GOD | 13:50 |
| willcooke | :( | 13:50 |
| * Laney flips the desk | 13:50 | |
| willcooke | Laney, got a big TV you could use for now? | 13:50 |
| Laney | I have two monitors anyway | 13:51 |
| Laney | but that is inhumane :P | 13:51 |
| willcooke | How old is it? | 13:51 |
| Laney | erm | 13:51 |
| Laney | I would say 6-7 years | 13:52 |
| willcooke | Laney, it had a good innings :) | 13:52 |
| Laney | "it had a good life" | 13:52 |
| davmor2 | Laney: if you can't answer that straight away it's too old :D | 13:52 |
| * Laney steals davmor2's gear | 13:52 | |
| Laney | you're away from home anyway :D | 13:52 |
| davmor2 | No I'm not | 13:53 |
| Laney | oh shit /me runs | 13:53 |
| * davmor2 ties Laney to a chair and reads Vogon Poetry to him for hours | 13:54 | |
| * Laney exits through the airlock | 13:55 | |
| * willcooke is running out of limbs. | 13:56 | |
| willcooke | How am going to operate my digital watch now? | 13:56 |
| attente_ | hey Laney, what's the right way to conditionally install a file based on debian v. ubuntu? | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | willcooke, get rid of it ... use an ubuntu phone | 13:58 |
| Laney | hello attente_ | 13:58 |
| Laney | you can test dpkg-vendor --derives-from Ubuntu in debian/rules | 13:58 |
| * willcooke still thinks digital watches are a pretty neat idea | 13:58 | |
| Laney | I would try to avoid doing this if you can though | 13:58 |
| davmor2 | ogra_: it's a watch, willcooke will probably want to tell the time on it | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | davmor2, details :P | 13:59 |
| attente_ | Laney, sorry, can't figure out a way around it :( | 13:59 |
| willcooke | sheeeesh. Startup disk creator is not good | 13:59 |
| * popey hugs his Casio F-91W | 13:59 | |
| ogra_ | willcooke, but digital watches are so big ! http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Bruegmann-Digital-Roehren-Clock/Digital-Roehrenuhr.htm | 14:00 |
| willcooke | oooh! Filth :) | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | :) | 14:00 |
| davmor2 | ogra_: a pretty important detail to be fair ;) | 14:01 |
| ogra_ | heh, just a small one | 14:02 |
| willcooke | sigh | 14:03 |
| willcooke | going to reboot | 14:03 |
| willcooke | start up disk creator hosed my machine | 14:06 |
| willcooke | screw this | 14:09 |
| willcooke | I'm using dd | 14:10 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: what did you do? | 14:10 |
| willcooke | tried to use it | 14:10 |
| ogra_ | yeah, dont do that :P | 14:10 |
| willcooke | every time I try and erase a USB HDD it falls over and leaves loads of umount processes running | 14:11 |
| willcooke | then it moans about dbus timeouts | 14:11 |
| seb128 | yeah, usb-creator is buggy :/ | 14:11 |
| willcooke | and how :D | 14:11 |
| willcooke | now I have defunt umount processes | 14:12 |
| willcooke | so I will reboot again and then just use dd | 14:12 |
| Laney | try "Disks" first | 14:14 |
| Laney | I would like to spend some time on usb-creator | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | just drop it and write a UI for dd :) | 14:14 |
| seb128 | disks works fine | 14:15 |
| seb128 | and we preinstall it | 14:15 |
| seb128 | that's what I usually use to put isos on usb keys | 14:15 |
| ogra_ | oh, as dd fronted ? | 14:15 |
| * ogra_ didnt know it can do that | 14:15 | |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney - use "restore an image" in disks? | 14:16 |
| qengho | robru: What arch are you using? Is it utopic? | 14:16 |
| Laney | ya | 14:16 |
| desrt_ | pitti: i'll do that today | 14:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, you can publish notify-osd if you want | 14:17 |
| willcooke | sigh | 14:19 |
| willcooke | here we go again | 14:20 |
| willcooke | maybe this free USB keyring I got is the problem :) | 14:22 |
| willcooke | gnome-disks[2776]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fa6abfdef7f sp 00007fff9da2ce70 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.4000.0[7fa6abeff000+16b000] | 14:24 |
| seb128 | urg | 14:24 |
| willcooke | replaced the USB stick with a branded one, and now we're getting somewhere | 14:25 |
| willcooke | disks ftw | 14:25 |
| willcooke | much easier | 14:26 |
| seb128 | yeah | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | we should make the startup-disk-creator just open disks at the right page ;) | 14:26 |
| willcooke | +1 | 14:26 |
| willcooke | :) | 14:26 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems like Mirv published it for you | 14:26 |
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| Mirv | o/ | 14:29 |
| pitti | seb128: je suis retour à maison maintenant | 14:30 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, good; thanks Mirv, I was about to give them a quick test on my laptop, but so much the better :) | 14:30 |
| seb128 | even better, Mirv is taking the blame for clicking the button if it's buggy :p | 14:31 |
| willcooke | seb128, who is in charge of the installer? When it's asking me to connect to a wifi AP it's listed the APs in alphabetical order, I think it would be better in signal strength order (appreciate that's easier said than done, but I can at least ask( | 14:31 |
| willcooke | )) | 14:31 |
| seb128 | willcooke, nobody | 14:31 |
| willcooke | ah | 14:32 |
| seb128 | xnox was sort of the maintainer | 14:32 |
| seb128 | but he left Canonical recently | 14:32 |
| Laney | the new xnox, who doesn't exist yet | 14:32 |
| seb128 | not sure anyone else got put in charge | 14:32 |
| Laney | I'd file a bug on ubiquity | 14:32 |
| willcooke | good plan, thx seb128 | 14:32 |
| Mirv | pitti: it shouldn't be marked as "Testing done" if testing is still underway :) | 14:32 |
| seb128 | I wouldn't be surprised if that was already known/filed, check launchpad before filing it | 14:32 |
| Laney | maybe even exists | 14:32 |
| Laney | search first | 14:32 |
| Laney | (HIGH FIVE!) | 14:32 |
| * willcooke searches | 14:32 | |
| * Laney goes to review & upload dbus | 14:32 | |
| pitti | Mirv: I tested a local build; sorry about that, my first landing for a fair while | 14:33 |
| Laney | yeah pre-feature-freeze crack | 14:33 |
| pitti | Laney: new major version? | 14:33 |
| Laney | yup | 14:33 |
| Laney | 1.8 | 14:33 |
| pitti | :) | 14:33 |
| Laney | you want to review instead? | 14:33 |
| Laney | ;-) | 14:33 |
| pitti | Laney: I faintly seem to remember having tested that a bit, but I can't remember any more what held it up | 14:33 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm running it for a day on my i386 utopic, wfm | 14:33 |
| Laney | dunno, I've been running it for a few days and it seems good here | 14:33 |
| pitti | Laney: nah, got enough to do; if you tested it and desktop and phone works, pump it in | 14:34 |
| pitti | Laney: I got my today's share of blame with util-linux already :) | 14:34 |
| Laney | heh | 14:34 |
| pitti | seb128: bah, corner-case architecture only :-P | 14:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, somebody needs to test those ;-) | 14:34 |
| Laney | seb128: do you still install new systems with i386? | 14:35 |
| pitti | seb128: so wrt "Simple mass-change: Mark universe packages for langpacks:", perhaps I should use my new landing sk1llz to do a few of those :0 | 14:35 |
| willcooke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubiquity | 14:36 |
| willcooke | ubiquity must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers. | 14:36 |
| willcooke | ??? | 14:36 |
| willcooke | surely I'm doing something wrong here | 14:36 |
| seb128 | pitti, you could ;-) | 14:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, I don't use i386 for new systems, but I'm having the same laptop for 5 years and didn't reinstall :-) | 14:37 |
| pitti | seb128: DFTT :) | 14:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, but I tried to install an i386 iso (I had that one on disk since it matches my arch) on the touch laptop I got for testing, and that was a fail | 14:38 |
| Laney | willcooke: they probably use Ubuntu bugs instead of project bugs | 14:38 |
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| seb128 | pitti, it took me like an hour to understand why the machine was not seeing the boot device, apparently it just ignores i386, worked when I put an amd64 iso on the usb stick | 14:38 |
| willcooke | ah, yes - thanks Laney | 14:39 |
| seb128 | willcooke, Laney: indeed they do | 14:39 |
| Laney | it's fairly common | 14:39 |
| pitti | seb128: wow; so indeed good to test them | 14:39 |
| Laney | trying efi boot I guess | 14:40 |
| seb128 | yeah, I didn't know it couldn't fallback/work with i386 images though | 14:40 |
| seb128 | I tried all the bios options to disable secure boot, etc | 14:40 |
| seb128 | none gave me a working boot | 14:40 |
| * Laney has ordered http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-u2414h/pd | 14:41 | |
| desrt_ | RAOF: hey... you're tracking GMutex issues? | 14:42 |
| === desrt_ is now known as desrt | ||
| pitti | seb128: mind having a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/address-book-app/use-langpack/+merge/231381 ? | 14:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, approved | 14:48 |
| pitti | seb128: so I wait for jenkins' blessing on the MP, then land this, right? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes | 14:48 |
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| pitti | seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/indicator-location/use-langpack/+merge/231385 (boooring) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, approved | 14:53 |
| === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley | ||
| Sweetshark | thunderbolt and lightning weery weery frightening! | 14:56 |
| pitti | Galileo Galileo! | 14:56 |
| pitti | seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/indicator-network/use-langpack/+merge/231386 | 14:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, done | 14:57 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry for the boredom; but I asked for this two months ago, time to finish this.. | 14:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, don't worry! | 14:58 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: magnifico o o o o! | 14:58 |
| * pitti misses the apt-get source, fix, dput turnaround.. | 14:58 | |
| pitti | Sweetshark: I'm just a poor boy, from a poor family | 14:58 |
| pitti | ♩ ♪ ♫ | 14:58 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: argh, I screwed up | 14:58 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me | 14:59 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: He's just a poor boy from a poor family! | 14:59 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: now that we have proven our orchestration skills we should move to the cloud team. | 15:00 |
| pitti | Mirv: so, I really don't want to do a full MP for just adding X-Ubuntu-Langpack for unity8; I wonder whether we can slip this into any existing MP? | 15:02 |
| pitti | Mirv: or whether I could just commit that to lp:unity8 so that it gets into the next upload? | 15:03 |
| pitti | (but I think we considered this already, and for some reason staging stuff into trunks doesn't work) | 15:03 |
| Mirv | pitti: just get the MP to be part of whatever Saviq is landing next | 15:05 |
| Mirv | especially if he still would allow that change to eg. landing-017 on line 20 | 15:06 |
| Mirv | (since it reqs a rebuild) | 15:06 |
| pitti | Mirv: ah, so add it to an existing line in the sheet? | 15:06 |
| pitti | seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntu-system-settings/use-langpack/+merge/231387 (that took a bit to build) | 15:07 |
| Laney | APPROVAL RACE | 15:07 |
| willcooke | seb128, I installed desktop next from an ISO I downloaded yesterday, then apt-get upgraded | 15:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, now I get the normal login screen, login, then nothing | 15:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, when you have some time can you talk me through what I should be doing? (Or point me at some docs? - I can write some if none exist) | 15:08 |
| Mirv | pitti: yes, but you need to get an ack from Saviq whether he's ok in adding it to that particular landing at this point. then a reconfigure of the silo is needed, and a rebuild. | 15:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, I won :p | 15:09 |
| pitti | Laney: :) | 15:09 |
| seb128 | willcooke, what do you mean "nothing"? did you wait for a bit for the session to load? | 15:09 |
| willcooke | seb128, yeah waited some minutes. I did have the U8 welcome (right edge blurb) but it wouldnt do anything, now I just get a black screen. I'm doing a dist-upgrade atm, seems like there are more updates | 15:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, or seems like I won the comment and you had the status ;-) | 15:10 |
| seb128 | willcooke, k, try rebooting, I didn't try the first run wizard for a while | 15:11 |
| willcooke | seb128, ack | 15:11 |
| willcooke | seb128, ok, dist-upgrade seems to have helped, I have the first run wizard again | 15:14 |
| seb128 | great | 15:14 |
| pitti | kenvandine: would you mind folding https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntu-system-settings/use-langpack/+merge/231387 into your current system-stetings landing? | 15:15 |
| willcooke | seb128, so now I have logged in to the first light-dm(?) screen, and I get the U8 greeter. I log in there, and nothing seems to happen. Is this because that fix hasn't made it in to the build yet? | 15:16 |
| pitti | seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/unity8/use-langpack/+merge/231390 and https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/mediaplayer-app/use-langpack/+merge/231392 (still says "updating", but the diff is there now) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | willcooke, correct | 15:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm not really a commiter on those projects, maybe get kenvandine or Saviq to ack those? I'm fine comment acking but I would prefer somebody from the project to change the status | 15:18 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, sure | 15:18 |
| willcooke | seb128, cool. I shall wait :) BTW - is your touch pad for the pointer mega sensitive? Mine always wants to move to the left whenever my finger is on it | 15:18 |
| pitti | Saviq: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/unity8/use-langpack/+merge/231390 (trivial mass-change) and folding it into your current unity8 landing? | 15:18 |
| seb128 | willcooke, touchpad is ok for me (I think) | 15:18 |
| Saviq | pitti, yeah, will do, I assume there's no way for me to test this actually works? | 15:19 |
| willcooke | seb128, last question for now: how do I switch back to the GUI? I can't do ctrl-alt-f7 any more | 15:19 |
| seb128 | willcooke, f8 | 15:19 |
| pitti | Saviq: I built the packages locally; if you install pkgbinarymangler in your build schroot and enable it in /etc/pkgbinarymangler/striptranslations.conf, you'll get a _translations.tar.gz built, and the .debs don't have *.mo files | 15:19 |
| pitti | Saviq: (that's how the distro builders are configured) | 15:20 |
| Saviq | pitti, oh will check it out then | 15:20 |
| pitti | Saviq: you can also just let the PPA build them and look at the .debs and the .changes of course (might be easier) | 15:20 |
| Saviq | pitti, yup, will do, thanks | 15:20 |
| pitti | Saviq: we do that stripping for thousands of packages, it's a simple mass-change | 15:20 |
| pitti | (and have done so since 2005 or so, it's well understood) | 15:21 |
| Saviq | pitti, yeah yeah, I know | 15:21 |
| pitti | Saviq: cheers! (I don't want to do a full landing just for this, would be an utter resource waste) | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | pitti, sure, i'll add that to the current uss landing | 15:21 |
| pitti | kenvandine: cheers! | 15:21 |
| Saviq | pitti, of course, we'll take care of it | 15:22 |
| pitti | 7 branches to go.. | 15:22 |
| pitti | oh, we don't do friends-app any more, right? | 15:23 |
| pitti | seb128: "Jenkins Fixed - utopic-adt-notify-osd 36" \o/ | 15:25 |
| seb128 | pitti, nice! | 15:26 |
| robru | qengho, amd64, utopic. yeah | 15:28 |
| qengho | robru: thanks. | 15:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, is bug #1358789 something you were looking at? I think you mentioned it before enabling the gps switch | 15:28 |
| ubot5 | bug 1358789 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "gps and wifi on battery page is out of sync with notification pull down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358789 | 15:28 |
| robru | qengho, you're welcome | 15:29 |
| kenvandine | seb128, that's something charles is working on... i think | 15:29 |
| kenvandine | basically uss is now doing the right thing | 15:29 |
| seb128 | k | 15:29 |
| seb128 | charles, ^ correct? | 15:29 |
| === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch | ||
| kenvandine | but there's a bug in either the indicator or location-service that's making it get out of sync | 15:29 |
| willcooke | Alrighty - it's that time again folks... weekly meeting. | 15:30 |
| seb128 | k | 15:30 |
| willcooke | Roll call: | 15:30 |
| kenvandine | charles, please confirm | 15:30 |
| willcooke | In alphabetical order | 15:30 |
| charles | seb128, kenvandine, actually I suspect it's in the gui glue between the service and u-s-s | 15:30 |
| kenvandine | charles, the action group? | 15:31 |
| kenvandine | we can take this outside to keep the meeting going :) | 15:31 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, yeah, let's move to e.g -touch | 15:31 |
| seb128 | willcooke, going to list the alphabetical order, or do we need to remember the list? ;-) | 15:32 |
| willcooke | seb128, just working it out... one sec.... | 15:32 |
| willcooke | attente_, (brookswarner), desrt, (dgadomski), FJKong, happyaron, Laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, Sweetshark, tkamppeter | 15:33 |
| willcooke | who'd I miss? | 15:33 |
| pitti | seb128: "Migration: All packages are in destination | 15:34 |
| pitti | You can Merge and Clean now." | 15:34 |
| pitti | seb128: if I click on "clean", will that merge automatically, or how is that done? | 15:34 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I think the list is good | 15:34 |
| willcooke | thanks seb128 | 15:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, it opens a jenkins page and if you click build it does it yes | 15:34 |
| willcooke | OK, attente_ - lay it on us.... | 15:35 |
| larsu | new world order?! | 15:35 |
| larsu | s/world/meeting | 15:35 |
| willcooke | larsu, :) mixing it up. | 15:35 |
| desrt | larsu: and seb not in charge | 15:35 |
| desrt | seems alphabetical.... | 15:35 |
| attente_ | fcitx transition... blocked on fcitx MIR | 15:36 |
| willcooke | ok, attente_ seb128 - do we want to talk about fcitx in 14.10 now? | 15:37 |
| seb128 | we can do it a bit | 15:37 |
| willcooke | or save it for the end after the status updates | 15:37 |
| seb128 | attente_, hey | 15:37 |
| seb128 | let's do it now, but not enter into too much details | 15:38 |
| seb128 | ? | 15:38 |
| attente_ | ok | 15:38 |
| pitti | seb128: cheers! and finally http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089827/, then I'll stop bugging you *hug* | 15:38 |
| willcooke | So, my summary: | 15:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, ;-) (sorry, meeting ongoing) | 15:38 |
| Laney | I need to make a phone call, will try to notice + paste | 15:38 |
| attente_ | yeah, so about the fcitx MIR, is that going to be ready in time? | 15:38 |
| willcooke | I'm worried we don't have enough time to get everything we need ready in time for feature freeze. I think rushing it in is generally a bad idea | 15:39 |
| seb128 | not likely, I doubt anyone is going to pick on the MIRs before didrocks is back | 15:39 |
| attente_ | :( | 15:39 |
| seb128 | attente_, we were discussed that earlier with willcooke and were sort of thinking we should land the support for fcitx but not install it by default/enable it for Chinese this cycle | 15:40 |
| desrt | attente_: don't worry... LTS+1 is always the release that people skip over anyway :) | 15:40 |
| seb128 | attente_, we can get a FFe to build indicator/u-s-d with fcitx when the MIR is approved | 15:40 |
| seb128 | that would be a middle ground | 15:40 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ^ correct summary? | 15:40 |
| willcooke | seb128, yes | 15:40 |
| seb128 | attente_, wdyt? | 15:41 |
| willcooke | I spoke to a16g (Anthony) and he's happy with that approach | 15:41 |
| attente_ | it's more than that... it's also u-c-c, im-config | 15:41 |
| seb128 | well, add those to the list | 15:41 |
| seb128 | that was not meant a full components summary | 15:41 |
| attente_ | a lot of FFe's... | 15:42 |
| seb128 | just a "let's land the support with a ffe, don't change defaults" | 15:42 |
| seb128 | that would be 1 FFe? | 15:42 |
| seb128 | "enable fcitx support in desktop" | 15:42 |
| seb128 | 1 bug, even if it impacts several sources | 15:42 |
| attente_ | so no to updating im-config for a chinese default? | 15:42 |
| seb128 | right | 15:42 |
| seb128 | no change to defaults | 15:42 |
| seb128 | just landing the support | 15:42 |
| seb128 | and we can do the change next cycle | 15:42 |
| attente_ | think it's more important what happyaron things about that... | 15:42 |
| attente_ | *thinks | 15:42 |
| seb128 | well, as willcooke said, he talked to Anthony who said they are ok if we don't switch default this cycle | 15:43 |
| attente_ | ok | 15:43 |
| attente_ | but are you sure that meant not default overall? | 15:43 |
| seb128 | you seem like unhappy with that option? | 15:43 |
| attente_ | it's ok. let's just make sure there's no confusion on both sides | 15:45 |
| seb128 | right, willcooke is checking with everyone to make sure it's ok | 15:45 |
| seb128 | that's the approach we would suggest | 15:45 |
| willcooke | I'm happy they understand the approach we're taking in Beijing | 15:45 |
| seb128 | imho we put us under too much pressure if we change default now, especially with all the MIR work not done yet | 15:45 |
| attente_ | what we talked about there was to leave the default alone except for chinese locale, no? | 15:46 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:46 |
| seb128 | but we didn't think about the MIR | 15:46 |
| seb128 | especially not about it having that stack of components to promote | 15:46 |
| seb128 | that's why willcooke checked with Anthony if a change of plan would be ok | 15:47 |
| seb128 | seems it is | 15:47 |
| attente_ | ok, understood | 15:47 |
| attente_ | thanks guys | 15:47 |
| seb128 | thanks attente_ ;-) | 15:47 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I think we can move on from the topic? | 15:47 |
| willcooke | ack | 15:47 |
| seb128 | we can discuss after meeting if more is needed | 15:47 |
| willcooke | thanks guys. Sorry we won't get everything we wanted in, but it's just too late IMHO. Let's not put ourselves in trouble | 15:48 |
| willcooke | ok, moving on | 15:48 |
| willcooke | desrt, welcome back. Anything to report? | 15:48 |
| desrt | hi | 15:48 |
| desrt | spent most of yesterday sorting through the backlog of pings, mails, bugs | 15:49 |
| desrt | did a couple of minor patches | 15:49 |
| desrt | today i'm fighting with Laney over what to do about all of the deprecation notices for gobject properties we have | 15:49 |
| desrt | will do a couple more glib patches as well | 15:49 |
| desrt | and have a systemd-shim release to do | 15:49 |
| desrt | that's about all | 15:49 |
| willcooke | cool, thanks desrt - we have a 1:1 on Friday, but ping me if you need anything in the meantime | 15:50 |
| desrt | about that..... | 15:51 |
| desrt | i'm on a flight to debconf on friday :) | 15:51 |
| willcooke | moving on to Laney (since FJKong and happyaron are afk) | 15:51 |
| desrt | we seem to have some very bad luck here :p | 15:51 |
| FJKong | ok, my turn now :) | 15:51 |
| FJKong | last week , only bug fixing for sogou input method on the final RC version. good news it has been released just few hours ago, yeah! | 15:51 |
| FJKong | also help QA for bug confirming and testing | 15:51 |
| willcooke | desrt, arse. Ok, I'll move it | 15:51 |
| willcooke | woot - congrats FJKong | 15:52 |
| FJKong | oh, | 15:52 |
| seb128 | FJKong, well done! | 15:52 |
| FJKong | am I too fast of pasting? | 15:52 |
| * Laney is being terrorised by a wasp | 15:52 | |
| willcooke | nah, it's fine FJKong - you were marked as away last time I checked, so I thought you might be afk | 15:53 |
| willcooke | now, if Laney is still alive, we can move to him. Laney, you want more time? We can come back around to you | 15:53 |
| Laney | got it out | 15:53 |
| FJKong | fine for me, night birds | 15:53 |
| FJKong | bird | 15:53 |
| Laney | puny creature | 15:53 |
| Laney | • Poke about content-hub NBS which was causing desktop-next image failures | 15:53 |
| Laney | • Update & sync glib, fix some boo boos | 15:53 |
| Laney | • Update gst-plugins-good1.0 | 15:53 |
| Laney | • Update -bad, platform-api was broken, fix that, push to ppa, need to get tested on phone before uploading. | 15:53 |
| Laney | • Review gnome-desktop/u-c-c/u-s-d MRs, still buggy | 15:53 |
| Laney | • Port u-s-s to upower 0.99, find a bug in a dbusmock template, fix that | 15:53 |
| Laney | • Reupload webkitgtk for trusty | 15:54 |
| Laney | • Merge pcre3 | 15:54 |
| Laney | • Update clutter, folks, sync harfbuzz, pango | 15:54 |
| Laney | • Patch pilot | 15:54 |
| Laney | • Seed (packageset) gardening, mainly for server | 15:54 |
| Laney | ☾ | 15:54 |
| FJKong | wow~ | 15:54 |
| Laney | also just uploaded dbus, which is causing predictable excitement for phone people :-) | 15:54 |
| * Laney stares at ogra | 15:54 | |
| willcooke | :D | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | yeah, you made us all panic with that changelog | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | shouldnt have used -v ! | 15:55 |
| Laney | hahaha | 15:55 |
| Laney | you shouldn't count lines of things | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | lol | 15:55 |
| Laney | diff from 1.6.18-0ubuntu10 to 1.8.6-1ubuntu1 (373.5 KiB) | 15:55 |
| Laney | this is better | 15:55 |
| FJKong | maybe I need run tail -1000 to check the irc log | 15:55 |
| Sweetshark | Laney: is that tiny diff allowed to go out alone at night? | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | yes, but no drinking yet | 15:56 |
| * Laney sweats lifting it and then looks over to see Sweetshark spinning libreoffice on one finger | 15:56 | |
| ogra_ | and it has to be back at eleven | 15:56 |
| willcooke | thanks Laney. On to larsu, also welcome back! Anything to report? | 15:57 |
| larsu | hey, I just got back today, so not a lot of news yet | 15:58 |
| Sweetshark | one looks cool spinning a handgranade by the pin on one finger just until one fumbles ... | 15:58 |
| willcooke | :) | 15:58 |
| larsu | went through backlog of the last two weeks and responded to a couple of mails / bugs | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | Sweetshark, pessimist | 15:58 |
| larsu | made gtk-3-12 compile again | 15:58 |
| larsu | started looking into a theming bug that yorba jim filed | 15:58 |
| larsu | theming \o/ | 15:58 |
| larsu | I think that's about it for today | 15:59 |
| seb128 | larsu, wb ;-) | 15:59 |
| willcooke | larsu, thanks. We have our 1:1 on Friday morning, so we can catch up then as well | 15:59 |
| willcooke | qengho, how goes Chromium? Still causing you annoyances? | 15:59 |
| larsu | willcooke: yep. And I'll finally be able to make it this Friday :) | 16:00 |
| qengho | willcooke: it's looking more promising. | 16:00 |
| qengho | * Fixing i386 crasher on U. Wasn't SSE support. Wasn't tcmalloc. Not new build-dep I've confirmed that g++ 4.9 makes crashing code in the javascript and rendering engines. I'm forcing use of 4.8 in U for now. | 16:00 |
| qengho | * No change on mir support. | 16:00 |
| qengho | EOF | 16:00 |
| willcooke | thanks qengho. Let me know if you need some more support on that one. | 16:01 |
| qengho | I'll need testing. It's arriving in my ppa now. | 16:01 |
| willcooke | qengho, can I test in a VM? Happy to spin up a few machines | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I can test on i386 | 16:02 |
| qengho | https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage | 16:02 |
| * seb128 waits for that fix for a week | 16:02 | |
| willcooke | ok, seb128 - over to you | 16:03 |
| seb128 | • opt-ed in for the fcitx testing ppa, played a bit with it trying to configure and use keyboard layouts and input methods, some UI glitches but it mostly works | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • tried the new dbus which is in the sponsoring queue, looks good | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • sponsored libreoffice updates/bugfixes | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • some fighting with desktop-next to be able to log back into unity8-desktop sessions (due to bug #1350878) | 16:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1350878 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "lockscreen doesn't properly unlock on desktop when a password is set" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350878 | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • ubuntu-system-settings for touch | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ∘ looked a bit to the "battery plugin use cpu after idle" issue, seems to be an lower system/upower issue generating lot of updates | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ∘ debugged layout issues in the updates panel, workarounded one that turned out to be a toolkit bug (filed report with testcase) | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ∘ worked on several changes in the same panel, but after spending some time fixing corner cases, decided that it would easier to rework the layout to use a column rather than anchors, going to work on that next | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ∘ reviews of some of the merge requests submitted during the week | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions | 16:04 |
| seb128 | 16:04 | |
| seb128 | that's it for this week (also had a swap afternoon from the trip to China on thursday) | 16:05 |
| Laney | nice bullets | 16:05 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 16:05 |
| qengho | Compose, hyphen, period == · | 16:05 |
| seb128 | the ones I used are just copy from tomboy, the white one are the next indentation format | 16:06 |
| willcooke | thanks seb128, Sweetshark.. thanks for the report from your trip. Anything else to report here? | 16:06 |
| Sweetshark | o 4.3.0 is in utopic \o/ | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o only minor b0rkage around -base/-base-drivers on this usually tricky first-in-the-cycle-upload *cough* | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o bug 1357700 fix commited, testing upgrade paths right now (1/2) | 16:07 |
| ubot5 | bug 1357700 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "package libreoffice-base 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libjdbclo.so', which is also in package libreoffice-base-drivers 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357700 | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o various bug triage on lp and fdo | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o fixed ftbfs for libixion on ppc64el (bug 1358365) | 16:07 |
| ubot5 | bug 1358365 in libixion (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on ppc64el" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358365 | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o usual TDF/LibreOffice calls/coordination: ESC, QA call, Board call ... | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o closing off some old MIRs (bug 1276252) | 16:07 |
| ubot5 | bug 1276252 in fonts-crosextra-carlito (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Caladea and Carlito fonts, essential fallback fonts" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276252 | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o organized LibreOffice conference travel and prepare for the talks (first week of Sept. in Bern) | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o creating docker/saltstack-foo to integrate Ubuntu CI/testing better in upstream infra right now | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o last week: on sick leave | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o week before: in Montevideo at Antel/Avanza, talked about LibreOffice http://tv.vera.com.uy/video/8406 and some enduser suppport | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | o <- nice ASCII bullets | 16:07 |
| Sweetshark | EOF | 16:07 |
| willcooke | :D | 16:07 |
| willcooke | thanks Sweetshark, you've been pretty busy eh?! | 16:08 |
| willcooke | ok, over to tkamppeter - how's did the house move go? | 16:09 |
| tkamppeter | - OpenPrinting Summit | 16:10 |
| tkamppeter | - cups-filters: Temporarily added ippusbxd (Support for IPP-over-USB printers) to the cups-filters Ubuntu package to get it in before FF of Utopic. Proper Debian/Ubuntu packaging for ippusbxd (as its own project) will come later. | 16:10 |
| tkamppeter | - Mentoring of GSoC students, finalizing the projects | 16:10 |
| tkamppeter | - Bugs. | 16:10 |
| willcooke | woot - glad you got ipp over usb in, that will be a nice new feature | 16:10 |
| tkamppeter | - One week away from the new home due to the Summit in Toronto, but still had a lot to do, internet through TV cable working well. | 16:10 |
| willcooke | :D | 16:11 |
| tkamppeter | Yes, as every year I am getting the GSoC projects into the fall (X.10) edition of Ubuntu. | 16:11 |
| willcooke | OK, let's move to Any Other Business then.... | 16:12 |
| tkamppeter | I now only need to apply the patches for udev-config-printer (system-config-printer package) and all is in. Then I need to buy an appropriate printer and test, still two months for testing and bug fixing. | 16:12 |
| Laney | I wonder how many printers tkamppeter has | 16:13 |
| willcooke | He sells them on eBay and uses the money to fund the purchase of his new house | 16:13 |
| tkamppeter | Laney, currently 8, I think max was 15. | 16:13 |
| Laney | you should implement parallel printing | 16:14 |
| Laney | willcooke: any sprint news? | 16:15 |
| willcooke | mishravikas was asking how he could get involved in contributing to the desktop, but I don't think he(?) is around, maybe he'll be back another day | 16:15 |
| tkamppeter | willcooke, no, I have sold some which were broken, but a broken gives only 10-15 EUR, if you pay 10-15 EUR a month you will not even able to pay the interest of the apartment credit of that month. | 16:15 |
| willcooke | tkamppeter, :D | 16:15 |
| willcooke | Laney, nothing more that a proposed date. I'll let you know more as soon as I hear it | 16:16 |
| Laney | 'kay | 16:16 |
| willcooke | s/that/than | 16:16 |
| tkamppeter | Selling broken printers is mainly to have no cost with proper disposal and to simply be able to bring them to the next post office to get rid of them. | 16:16 |
| willcooke | anyone have anything else, or shall we wrap? | 16:17 |
| seb128 | seems like we can wrap there? | 16:18 |
| willcooke | oh, seb128 - turns out my vtty switch problems were because you have to hold down the fn button to make the f keys do f key stuff, rather than the alternate action (turn off wifi, etc) | 16:19 |
| seb128 | oh, right | 16:19 |
| willcooke | ok, meeting over. Thanks folks, see you all next time... o/ | 16:19 |
| seb128 | sorry I didn't think about mentioning that | 16:19 |
| seb128 | thanks willcooke! | 16:19 |
| willcooke | :D | 16:19 |
| Laney | seb128: dbus needs new review if you feel like it | 16:27 |
| Laney | ;-) | 16:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, upload first, review then? ;-) | 16:28 |
| Laney | it is in there | 16:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, oooh, you mean binNEW review? | 16:31 |
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| Laney | s/new/NEW/ if that helps :P | 16:31 |
| seb128 | I though you mean code review | 16:31 |
| seb128 | yeah, sorry, didn't get that a first | 16:31 |
| seb128 | looking | 16:31 |
| seb128 | Laney, NEWed ;-) | 16:33 |
| Laney | cheers! | 16:33 |
| seb128 | yw! | 16:34 |
| seb128 | thanks for helping getting that in | 16:34 |
| Laney | I mainly wanted to get the new dbus-run-session utility | 16:37 |
| seb128 | what does that do? | 16:38 |
| seb128 | oh, it has a manpage | 16:38 |
| seb128 | useful | 16:39 |
| Laney | it's like a less crap version of dbus-launch | 16:39 |
| Laney | doesn't leave stray dbus-daemons around | 16:39 |
| seb128 | nice | 16:39 |
| desrt | Laney: so... on the topic of the deprecations | 16:43 |
| desrt | you want to rip out the DEPRECATED tag on some of the more obnoxious warnings from gtk (ezk: the GtkSettings ones) and otherwise leave the warnings enabled for other things? | 16:43 |
| Laney | desrt: I feel like I'd prefer that, yeah - what do you think? | 16:45 |
| desrt | i usually think that i want to make seb happy :) | 16:46 |
| Laney | haha | 16:46 |
| desrt | the question comes about what benefit we'll gain from having these warnings on ubuntu | 16:46 |
| Laney | sycophancy! | 16:47 |
| desrt | i guess not a lot of upstream development is happening on ubuntu these days, so we're probably indeed just spamming our own users with this stuff | 16:47 |
| desrt | and not helping the people who write the software at all | 16:47 |
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| Laney | I dunno, I wouldn't like to make a call like that | 16:48 |
| Laney | "debugging information is for fedora users" | 16:48 |
| desrt | well, honestly, it's mostly for jhbuild users | 16:48 |
| desrt | i wouldn't care too much if fedora did the same patching | 16:49 |
| desrt | (although clearly more upstream gtk devs are using fedora) | 16:49 |
| Laney | jhbuild can pass configure flags, yes? | 16:50 |
| desrt | i know where you're going, and this is a conversation we've had before.... :) | 16:50 |
| Laney | :) | 16:50 |
| desrt | some people also build out of git for themselves | 16:51 |
| desrt | like me... | 16:51 |
| Laney | so the defaults should be for ... users or developers? | 16:51 |
| desrt | i'd sooner add a --enable-we-have-a-product-to-ship-here | 16:51 |
| desrt | developers, for sure | 16:51 |
| desrt | because "real users" have a distro between them and the upstream | 16:51 |
| desrt | at the end of the day, i think we need to take a decision about what is right for our (ubuntu) users | 16:52 |
| Laney | sounds like you want to recommend distros turn these warnings off | 16:52 |
| desrt | and i think seb might be totally right on this point | 16:52 |
| desrt | fedora is a different distribution with a substantially different composition to their userbase | 16:52 |
| desrt | i also honestly believe that this is a one-cycle affair | 16:53 |
| desrt | and i'm also happier about a one character(!) patch instead of a many-lines one that removes a bunch of flags from a bunch of files | 16:53 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/utopic/4.3.0/libreoffice_4.3.0-3ubuntu2_source.changes <- upgrades pass smoketest, please sponsor | 16:54 |
| desrt | plus... according to today's news ( http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2dxik3/future_of_gnome_and_gtk_when_whole_world_is/ ) nobody outside of gnome is developing gtk apps anyway :) | 16:55 |
| Sweetshark | desrt: well if its on reddit, it has to be the truth obviously. | 16:56 |
| Sweetshark | <- eod | 16:56 |
| desrt | Sweetshark: enjoy a mate for me :p | 16:56 |
| Sweetshark | desrt: aye ;) | 16:56 |
| Laney | desrt: lemme think about it | 17:02 |
| Laney | I'll be uploading the new glib tomorrow ... | 17:02 |
| Laney | I'm offski, got a birthday party to go to | 17:03 |
| Laney | o/ | 17:03 |
| desrt | ciao. | 17:03 |
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| seb128 | Sweetshark, k | 17:50 |
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| qengho | robru: Will you please test a chromium in my PPA for that crasher? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage | 19:06 |
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| robru | qengho, yes! | 19:24 |
| robru | qengho, put that on the bug, too, eh? there was another guy claiming to be affected by the same thing | 19:24 |
| qengho | robru: if it works for you, I'll just release it. I don't want regular joes using that PPA. | 19:27 |
| robru | heh | 19:27 |
| robru | qengho, ok just installing now | 19:27 |
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| desrt | pitti: did the release just now | 19:54 |
| willcooke | hey robert_ancell | 20:00 |
| robert_ancell | willcooke, hi | 20:00 |
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| qengho | robru: well? | 20:24 |
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| robru | qengho, seems fine briefly. I don't know how to reproduce the crash though, gimme a couple days with it | 20:25 |
| qengho | I would like a upload sponsor for chromium to U, please. https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages v 36.0.1985.143-0ubuntu1~pkg1042 | 20:27 |
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| robert_ancell | popey, what display manager does Ubuntu Mate use? | 20:55 |
| popey | robert_ancell: lightdm | 20:57 |
| popey | oh hang on | 20:58 |
| popey | robert_ancell: yes, lightdm ☻ | 20:58 |
| robert_ancell | cool. Is it working well? | 20:59 |
| popey | yeah! | 20:59 |
| popey | nouveau retro ☻ | 20:59 |
| robert_ancell | awesome | 20:59 |
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| RAOF | desrt: Not tracking as such, but noticed a couple of regressions. | 22:25 |
| RAOF | desrt: I'll poke further into Do to see what's actually going wrong there. | 22:26 |
| desrt | RAOF: thanks | 22:37 |
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