[08:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:02] <Laney> hai
[08:04] <Sweetsha1k> can has coffee?
[08:05] <Sweetsha1k> visible "hai desktopers!"
[08:05] <Sweetsha1k> kthxbye
[08:06]  * Sweetsha1k needs to learn to write lolcode more fluently. We should make that the default language for ./debian/rules.
[08:10] <willcooke> morning all
[08:21] <seb128> hey Laney, Sweetshark, willcooke
[08:21] <seb128> wie gehts?
[08:22] <willcooke> dut, danke
[08:22] <willcooke> *gut
[08:22] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/unity8/lp-1350878/+merge/231248
[08:23] <seb128> nice, bregma has a workaround for the unity8-desktop-next login issue
[08:23] <seb128> code workaround in compiled code
[08:23] <seb128> but that's a step toward a solution ;-)
[08:23] <willcooke> woot!  Thanks bregma, just in time for my new touchscreen laptop arriving
[08:23] <seb128> :-)
[08:24] <Laney> what is this define?!?!?!
[08:25] <willcooke> ha, DONT_HANG_DESKTOP
[08:27] <willcooke> seb128, @ email
[08:27] <seb128> that mp seems incomplete/buggy to me
[08:27] <seb128> it's also weird it only change a mock
[08:27] <seb128> willcooke, did you read it yet?
[08:27] <willcooke> reading it now
[08:27] <willcooke> makes sense
[08:27] <ochosi> hey folks
[08:27] <seb128> cool
[08:27] <seb128> hey ochosi
[08:27] <willcooke> I think I made a typo, not 16.10..  14.10
[08:27] <seb128> I was unsure
[08:28] <ochosi> since FF is approaching, are there any plans to upgrade e.g. evince or file-roller to 3.12?
[08:28] <seb128> ochosi, no
[08:28] <ochosi> i'm just asking cause we (xubuntu) are very happy with 3.10
[08:28] <seb128> those use csd
[08:28] <ochosi> since there is no csd
[08:28] <ochosi> ah, good :)
[08:28] <ochosi> that was basically what i wanted to know
[08:28] <seb128> good then ;-)
[08:29] <ochosi> i guess there'll still be 3rd party apps with csd in the repos though
[08:29] <seb128> willcooke, I was unsure, because the plan for 14.10 would be minimal if we decide to not do the transition this cycle
[08:29] <seb128> ochosi, right, nothing you can do against that though. Like they are motif apps in the repos, users can choose to use them or not
[08:29] <willcooke> seb128, yeah - I think you're plan is very sensible.
[08:29] <ochosi> seb128: sure, just as long as the apps we install by default don't look totally out of place i'm more or less ok with anything else ;)
[08:30] <seb128> ochosi, same for us, we do control of things that are installed by default, because we push them to users
[08:30] <seb128> things that can be installed, users can get them and see if they like what they get or not, and if they don't, look for alternative options
[08:31] <ochosi> yup, totally agreed
[08:31] <ochosi> i guess for 15.04 we'll need a new plan though, i guess it'll be hard to keep CSD out forever
[08:33] <seb128> yeah, it's going to be the same discussion as every cycle...
[08:33] <seb128> either make csd work well enough !gnome-shell, or patch apps or replace them
[08:34] <Laney> "Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked"
[08:34] <Laney> this is an abort()
[08:34] <Laney> that's what kills Do
[08:34] <ochosi> seb128: hmm yeah. i guess unity and xfce are on the same side on this subject
[08:35] <RAOF> Laney: Yeah.
[08:35] <Laney> RAOF: you looked into where it comes from?
[08:35] <RAOF> Laney: I suspect the same update has killed Geary in some way - both new and old versions never finish loading the main window.
[08:36] <Laney> There's a new implementation of GMutex in this glib
[08:36] <RAOF> Orly?
[08:37] <Laney> ecf13591 glib/gthread-posix.c    (Ryan Lortie                2014-06-29 17:47:10 -0400 1320)       fprintf (stderr, "Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked\n");
[08:37] <Laney> ecf13591 glib/gthread-posix.c    (Ryan Lortie                2014-06-29 17:47:10 -0400 1321)       abort ();
[08:38] <willcooke> hey larsu
[08:39] <larsu> willcooke: good morning!
[08:39] <larsu> and hi everyone else, good to see you :)
[08:40] <RAOF> Laney: Ah, yes. Downgrading glib fixes Geary, too.
[08:40] <seb128> oh, a larsu!
[08:40] <seb128> larsu, wb ;-)
[08:40] <Laney> RAOF: Was it this same abort()?
[08:40] <RAOF> Laney: No, it didn't abort(), it just deadlocked.
[08:40] <larsu> hi seb128 :)
[08:41] <Laney> oho
[08:41] <seb128> deeesssrrrt
[08:41] <seb128> what did you do to glib!
[08:41]  * RAOF suspects that the new GMutex is not all that and a bag of potato chips
[08:41] <Laney> hey larsu!
[08:41] <Laney> good hols?
[08:42] <larsu> Laney: _very_ good
[08:43] <larsu> Laney: currently waking up after a long sleep (just got back last night)
[08:43] <larsu> glad to see the computer still works :)
[08:43] <Laney> don't upgrade glib :P
[08:43] <larsu> lol
[08:46]  * Sweetshark somehow lost track when the discussion turned to when cristopher street day will become part of Ubuntu.
[08:46]  * Sweetshark scans backlog.
[08:47] <Laney> Sweetshark: go save Munich plz
[08:48] <Sweetshark> Laney: :/ -- no comment on that one in public. But yeah, working on it obviously.
[08:48] <jpds> You just commented on it in public.
[08:50] <Laney> RAOF: ah, I know the Geary one
[08:50] <Laney> it's a vala code generation issue, no-change rebuild against current vala fixes it
[08:50] <Sweetshark> jpds: well yeah. I know about the issue, thats it as a public statement.
[08:51] <ochosi> seb128: just out of curiosity, did you patch the open-file dialog (cause iirc that also has CSD in gtk3.12)?
[08:51] <RAOF> Laney: That's only exposed by the new glib?
[08:51] <RAOF> Laney: Because downgrading glib makes it work without a rebuild.
[08:51] <Laney> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733500
[08:51] <seb128> ochosi, yes
[08:52] <ochosi> seb128: ok :) i was afraid what would happen when i hit file -> open in utopic and then felt extremely relieved to see that it's not broken :>
[08:52] <seb128> hehe
[08:52] <ochosi> thanks for that!
[08:52] <seb128> that's one of the things that we had on the "need to be fixed before landing new GTK"
[08:53] <seb128> thanks to larsu, he did the work ;-)
[08:53] <ochosi> thanks larsu :)
[08:53] <larsu> :)
[09:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: so, I guess I have a fix for bug 1357700, but havent checked the upgrade path yet (e.g. build in ppa, update to it from a vanilla VirtualBox).
[09:05] <seb128> Sweetshark, wasn't that one of the commits your pointed me at yesterday?
[09:06] <Sweetshark> wanna sponsor as is to quickly fix this, or wait a few hours for the ppa build.
[09:06] <seb128> it can wait a few hours I think
[09:06] <Sweetshark> yes, that was the commits yesterday -- took some time to build locally :/
[09:06] <Sweetshark> alright.
[09:29] <willcooke> seb128, initial reports are that the guys in China are OK with not switching to fcitx for 14.10
[09:29] <Laney> wait what
[09:30] <willcooke> Laney, I'm worried that switching wholesale at this point is too risky.
[09:30] <willcooke> we can still get the support in for indicators, control centre etc, but making it the default today (2 days ahead of feature freeze) is, IMHO, a big risk
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, the mir is a stack of components and didrocks listed a list of issues and is on holidays, I even doubt we are going to manage to get it promoted this week
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, we are suggesting changing the goal for "enable support for fcitx, don't install it by default/don't make it used for Chinese" for this cycle
[09:32] <seb128> we can discuss that during the meeting later
[09:33] <Laney> I know about the issues, this is just coming as a surprise (I didn't see it discussed on channel)
[09:33] <seb128> we are discussing it now :p
[09:33] <seb128> discussion started earlier over email, we are sort of moving it to IRC there
[09:36] <Laney> we could make im-config support a conf.d directory so that other people can override the default if they want
[09:36] <Laney> otherwise, fair enough, should have worked on the MIR earlier
[09:38] <seb128> right
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fcitx/+bug/1356222
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, look at that one
[09:38] <seb128> that and I don't see anyone picking up that review while didrocks is on vac
[09:39] <Laney> I saw it
[09:39] <seb128> ups
[09:39] <seb128> k
[09:39] <seb128> so we would need a freeze exception, it feels like to much forcing in without strong rational
[09:39] <Laney> If we're talking about Kylin it is universe anyway & what we decide shouldn't necessarily bother them too much
[09:40] <seb128> right
[09:40] <seb128> Kylin is already on fcitx since saucy
[09:40] <Laney> indeed
[09:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: building https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging-proposed/+builds?build_state=building
[09:42] <seb128> Sweetshark, is that new? I though it was building since yesterday?
[09:43] <seb128> oh ok, seems it's a new upload, k
[09:45] <seb128> k, I'm out for some errands and early lunch, back in an hour
[09:54] <willcooke> morning qengho
[09:55] <qengho> hiya, will!
[09:55] <willcooke> qengho, how was the first day of big school?
[09:56] <willcooke> that was your kid, right?
[09:58] <qengho> willcooke: my kid had a great first day.
[09:58] <willcooke> yay!
[09:59] <qengho> willcooke: When asked, the only memorable parts were, playdoh is awesome, and he likes where he sits at lunch.
[09:59] <willcooke> :D
[10:00] <willcooke> And this afternoon you'll ask what he did you'll be told "nothing" or "I can't remember"
[10:20] <Sweetshark> Laney, jpds: here is some nice info on munich: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpiratenpartei-bayern.de%2F2014%2F08%2F19%2Fmuenchener-it-zurueck-in-die-vergangenheit%2F&edit-text=&act=url
[10:36] <popey> seb128: if you have time, could you take a look at this merge to help our MATE running friends? ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu/utopic/policykit-desktop-privileges/mate-fixes/
[11:26] <seb128> popey, hey, sure
[11:26] <popey> thanks seb128
[11:26] <seb128> yw!
[11:26] <seb128> qengho, hey, what happened to the fixed chromium that was supposed to be uploaded yesterday?
[11:26] <seb128> still seems buggy on utopic today
[11:27] <qengho> seb128: I didn't find the problem. I'm bisecting build-deps to find the cause now.
[11:28] <seb128> qengho, oh ok, I though you said you would have a fixed version "today"?
[11:29] <qengho> seb128: I was too optimistic.
[11:29] <seb128> qengho, it shouldn't take us over a week to get back to a working browser when we upload a buggy version :/
[11:30] <qengho> seb128: the same source works on P and T. Something changed elsewhere in U.
[11:30] <seb128> qengho, right, I understand, still we ought to be able to resolve those issues in less than a week, that's too long of a time to let use down without a working browser
[11:31] <qengho> seb128: can I build on T and have that uploaded to U?
[11:31] <seb128> no
[11:31] <qengho> I didn't think so.
[11:31] <seb128> but you can force a compiler version
[11:31] <seb128> like build with gcc 4.8 if 4.9 is the issue
[11:31] <seb128> since we have both versions in the archive
[11:40] <seb128> gatox, hey
[11:40] <gatox> seb128, hi.. i was just about to ping you
[11:40] <seb128> gatox, do you still plan to resume work on the updates panel? I was pondering reworking the UI to use a Column rather than anchors, that would make easier to resolve some of the UI issues, but I don't want to conflict work
[11:41] <seb128> gatox, oh, about settings I guess? ;-)
[11:41] <gatox> seb128, i was about to ask you if someone else is working in updates... because i'm still with some tasks of pay... and eveytime i think i'm done, a new task appear :P so i don't know for sure when i'm going to be able to look into that
[11:42] <seb128> gatox, ok, I'm going to start on the UI reshuffle then
[11:42] <gatox> seb128, so..... go ahead... and if at some point i can go back to updates... i'll start a fresh branch for whatever
[11:42] <seb128> gatox, I might also change the widget for list items to be a column
[11:42] <seb128> k
[11:42] <seb128> gatox, it would be nice if you could finish your work on the battery check though
[11:43] <gatox> seb128, yes... but i haven't have the time for that :S
[11:43] <seb128> what is missing?
[11:45] <gatox> seb128, it was having issues with QtSettings not working properly on the n4... just that... and i tried to look at the battery plugin to see if i could use that... but i think it doesn't provide the proper info that updates need to check (but this last part is not necessary if QtSettings works in the phone)
[11:46] <seb128> QtSystems you mean, right?
[11:46] <gatox> seb128, yes, sorry.... that
[11:46] <seb128> k
[11:47] <seb128> I guess I can try to have a look to that as well, if I'm done with the UI changes and you are still busy with the pay work by then
[11:47] <gatox> seb128, if QtSystems is working now on the phone (that it should), the branch is ready
[11:47] <seb128> gatox, ok, let me try it
[11:49] <seb128> RAOF, 2.41 is an unstable serie, that's not a bugfix update ;-)
[13:03] <pitti> desrt_: hey Ryan, how are you?
[13:03] <pitti> desrt_: would you mind wrapping a systemd-shim 7 tarball?
[13:04] <pitti> desrt_: I fixed a few small bugs, and we could package that properly instead of the debian/patches mess that we have ATM
[13:04] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[13:04] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! und dir?
[13:05] <seb128> auch gut, danke ;-)
[13:05] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[13:05] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:05] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[13:06] <pitti> kenvandine: ooh -- you are someone who could review/approve https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/notify-osd/fix-autopkgtest/+merge/219293 (which is trivial and has been lingering for 3 months)
[13:06] <pitti> kenvandine: *batting eyelashes*
[13:07] <seb128> pitti, done
[13:08] <kenvandine> :)
[13:08] <seb128> pitti, feel free to do a land for it (or I can do one for you if you want)
[13:08] <seb128> speaking of landing
[13:08] <seb128> kenvandine, I would like to do an u-s-s one today, we have a few nice fixes there
[13:08] <seb128> do you have anything else you want to get lined up for it?
[13:08] <kenvandine> seb128, planning to
[13:08] <pitti> seb128: if it's not too much trouble for you? landing process has changed 5 times since my training, and I haven't actually done any
[13:08] <kenvandine> seb128, i think so
[13:08] <seb128> pitti, k, doing it
[13:08] <kenvandine> i need to check fixes from jgdx first
[13:09] <seb128> k
[13:09] <pitti> seb128: or, if you have a pointer to docs and some minutes to hand-hold me, I'm also willing to learn
[13:09] <seb128> kenvandine, you handle the landing for u-s-s then?
[13:09] <seb128> pitti, that works too
[13:11] <kenvandine> seb128, will do
[13:11] <seb128> pitti, I don't know if there is documentation on how to do landings :/
[13:12] <seb128> pitti, but it's basically "add a line to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain" (which is self explanatory mostly)
[13:12] <seb128> pitti, then drive things from http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/
[13:13] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:13] <seb128> pitti, want to do the notify-osd one together?
[13:13] <pitti> seb128: sure, thanks!
[13:13] <pitti> seb128: who is the "lander"?
[13:13] <seb128> pitti, you
[13:14] <seb128> whoever does the landing/clicking on buttons
[13:14] <seb128> pitti, you can skip comments if you don't have any
[13:15] <seb128> pitti, I don't think notify-osd has a testplan, you can write something like "restart an unity desktop session and check that notifications are still working"
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: you can see me typing?
[13:15] <seb128> pitti, not typing, but once you validate an entry I see it
[13:15] <seb128> I also see on which one you are
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: I'm adding line 36
[13:15] <seb128> right
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: "QA signoff needed" -> ?
[13:15] <seb128> pitti, so you don't need qa signoff for a small change like that
[13:16] <seb128> that's usually when you have disruptive changes and want QA to run the tests for you as well
[13:16] <pitti> seb128: MP following guidelines -> which guidelines?
[13:16] <pitti> it has a commit message, signoff from jenkins, but not much else
[13:16] <seb128> the ones for the projects, I don't think notify-osd has somes
[13:16] <seb128> just put "yes" ;-)
[13:17] <pitti> seb128: ok, let me quickly re-run this, as it's already three months old
[13:17] <seb128> ok
[13:17] <seb128> pitti, do you have access to the "landing team tools" menu on the gdoc page?
[13:18] <pitti> seb128: sorry, can't see where this is?
[13:18] <seb128> pitti, if you have it, after "help" in the gdoc menubar
[13:18] <pitti> seb128: sorry, are we talkign about the landing sheet here?
[13:19] <seb128> yes
[13:19] <seb128> but that might be a group where sil2100 needs to add you (from memory)
[13:19] <seb128> since sil2100 is away for a while I can do that action for you now, and we can have him adding you when he's back
[13:20] <pitti> "Find" doesn't find anything related to "Help" except comments from unity8 landingd
[13:21] <pitti> meh, the tests fail now
[13:21] <pitti> yay for stalling test fixes for 3 months
[13:21] <pitti> it's still a correct change of course, but apparently not sufficient any more
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/landing.png
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, easier to explain with a screenshot :p
[13:22] <pitti> seb128: ah, I do have that
[13:22] <seb128> k
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, you have "assign to silo" in it?
[13:22] <pitti> yes
[13:22] <seb128> k
[13:22] <seb128> so you have access
[13:23] <seb128> but need to fix the mp first
[13:28] <willcooke> looky what I got:  https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--AZ0v-MtSIg/U_NQrbVIIxI/AAAAAAAAH0Y/j65hOUlBvAo/w1207-h905-no/IMG_0626.JPG
[13:29] <seb128> willcooke, nice
[13:29] <larsu> nice
[13:29] <willcooke> First things first, take it apart
[13:29] <seb128> you got a new disk to put in there?
[13:30] <willcooke> yeah, bought a cheapo 64GB SS
[13:30] <willcooke> D
[13:30] <seb128> that's going to make the machine nicer to user
[13:30] <seb128> -r
[13:30] <willcooke> So far, I'm loving the form factor and the touch screen
[13:31] <seb128> yeah, that laptop is quite nice
[13:32] <seb128> not too heavy, nice materials
[13:32] <seb128> you also easily get used to tap the screen to click on buttons ;-)
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, sorry about the mp status change spam, tried to get the ui to display the current revision as approved, I think I got it
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: ok, fixed now, MP updated and tested in both failing (for showing the log) and succeeding case; I set "testing pass" to Yes now
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[13:38] <seb128> pitti, ok, so now you can go to the gdoc, select your line and use the landing tool -> assign to silo item
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: I suppose request ID and assigned silo get auto-generated?
[13:38] <pitti> "This app needs authorization to run.
[13:38] <seb128> yes
[13:39] <pitti> ok, it didn't complain
[13:39] <pitti> but also didn't apparently do anything to my line
[13:39] <Laney> blerk, why doesn't this monitor turn on?
[13:40] <seb128> pitti, the sync takes some time, did it open a jenkins page or something?
[13:40] <davmor2> willcooke: ahhhhh my eyes kill it, kill it with fire ;)   Nice laptop though you might need to improve the os a bit though :)
[13:40] <pitti> seb128: no, just the google auth, then got me back to the gdoc
[13:40] <seb128> pitti, hum, can you try again?
[13:40] <Laney> the first auth often doesn't work
[13:40] <Laney> the first operation after authenticating*
[13:40] <pitti> seb128: ah, now I get a box "Reconfigure row 36 in an Existing Silo"
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, oh, so it probably worked previous time
[13:41] <willcooke> davmor2, :DD
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: ack, after "Proceed" now I got a jenkins page
[13:41] <willcooke> davmor2, it's ok, the back is off now
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: I'm on https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/1465/console
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, suggest it went wrong
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, did you pick "assign silo"?
[13:42] <pitti> seb128: yes, but pehaps it conflicted with the previous failed one?
[13:42] <pitti> what Laney said
[13:42] <seb128> pitti, that's weird, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/ has no recent job before the failing one
[13:43] <seb128> pitti, delete the request id and try again?
[13:43] <pitti> "Assign row 36 to a New Silo"
[13:43] <pitti> ah, that sounds better
[13:43] <seb128> indeed
[13:43] <pitti> " Assign a silo with preproduction CI Train code. "
[13:43] <pitti> do I want that?
[13:44] <seb128> where is that option?
[13:44] <seb128> don't change any default
[13:44] <seb128> just click through?
[13:45] <pitti> seb128: http://picpaste.com/silo.png
[13:45] <seb128> no
[13:45] <seb128> just click the blue label
[13:45] <pitti> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/1466/console
[13:45] <seb128> good
[13:45] <seb128> you got silo 018
[13:46] <seb128> pitti, you can use http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=notify now
[13:46] <seb128> pitti, go there and click "build"
[13:46] <pitti> seb128: ah, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ updated now
[13:46] <seb128> pitti, that brings you to a jenkins page, no box to check, just click the button
[13:47] <pitti> seb128: OOI, where do I get that link?
[13:47] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=notify
[13:47] <seb128> pitti, you have a row with red labels
[13:47] <seb128> those are links
[13:47] <seb128> 018 ppa ...
[13:47] <seb128> "Build" in that line
[13:47] <pitti> building
[13:48] <seb128> pitti, good, now you need to wait for the build to be done, switch the "testing" case in the gdoc to yes and then you can click "publish" to upload to distro
[13:48]  * Laney cries
[13:48] <seb128> pitti, then "clean" once it migrated in release
[13:48] <pitti> seb128: ack
[13:48] <pitti> seb128: merci beaucoup pour ton aide !
[13:48] <seb128> Laney, what's the issue?
[13:48] <seb128> pitti, de rien !
[13:49] <Laney> dead monitor
[13:49] <seb128> :-(
[13:50] <Laney> tried swapping kettle lead, no luck
[13:50] <Laney> GOD
[13:50] <willcooke> :(
[13:50]  * Laney flips the desk
[13:50] <willcooke> Laney, got a big TV you could use for now?
[13:51] <Laney> I have two monitors anyway
[13:51] <Laney> but that is inhumane :P
[13:51] <willcooke> How old is it?
[13:51] <Laney> erm
[13:52] <Laney> I would say 6-7 years
[13:52] <willcooke> Laney, it had a good innings :)
[13:52] <Laney> "it had a good life"
[13:52] <davmor2> Laney: if you can't answer that straight away it's too old :D
[13:52]  * Laney steals davmor2's gear
[13:52] <Laney> you're away from home anyway :D
[13:53] <davmor2> No I'm not
[13:53] <Laney> oh shit /me runs
[13:54]  * davmor2 ties Laney to a chair and reads Vogon Poetry to him for hours
[13:55]  * Laney exits through the airlock
[13:56]  * willcooke is running out of limbs.
[13:56] <willcooke> How am going to operate my digital watch now?
[13:58] <attente_> hey Laney, what's the right way to conditionally install a file based on debian v. ubuntu?
[13:58] <ogra_> willcooke, get rid of it ... use an ubuntu phone
[13:58] <Laney> hello attente_
[13:58] <Laney> you can test dpkg-vendor --derives-from Ubuntu in debian/rules
[13:58]  * willcooke still thinks digital watches are a pretty neat idea
[13:58] <Laney> I would try to avoid doing this if you can though
[13:58] <davmor2> ogra_: it's a watch, willcooke will probably want to tell the time on it
[13:59] <ogra_> davmor2, details :P
[13:59] <attente_> Laney, sorry, can't figure out a way around it :(
[13:59] <willcooke> sheeeesh.  Startup disk creator is not good
[13:59]  * popey hugs his Casio F-91W
[14:00] <ogra_> willcooke, but digital watches are so big ! http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Bruegmann-Digital-Roehren-Clock/Digital-Roehrenuhr.htm
[14:00] <willcooke> oooh!  Filth :)
[14:00] <ogra_> :)
[14:01] <davmor2> ogra_: a pretty important detail to be fair ;)
[14:02] <ogra_> heh, just a small one
[14:03] <willcooke> sigh
[14:03] <willcooke> going to reboot
[14:06] <willcooke> start up disk creator hosed my machine
[14:09] <willcooke> screw this
[14:10] <willcooke> I'm using dd
[14:10] <davmor2> willcooke: what did you do?
[14:10] <willcooke> tried to use it
[14:10] <ogra_> yeah, dont do that :P
[14:11] <willcooke> every time I try and erase a USB HDD it falls over and leaves loads of umount processes running
[14:11] <willcooke> then it moans about dbus timeouts
[14:11] <seb128> yeah, usb-creator is buggy :/
[14:11] <willcooke> and how :D
[14:12] <willcooke> now I have defunt umount processes
[14:12] <willcooke> so I will reboot again and then just use dd
[14:14] <Laney> try "Disks" first
[14:14] <Laney> I would like to spend some time on usb-creator
[14:14] <ogra_> just drop it and write a UI for dd :)
[14:15] <seb128> disks works fine
[14:15] <seb128> and we preinstall it
[14:15] <seb128> that's what I usually use to put isos on usb keys
[14:15] <ogra_> oh, as dd fronted ?
[14:15]  * ogra_ didnt know it can do that 
[14:16] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - use "restore an image" in disks?
[14:16] <qengho> robru: What arch are you using? Is it utopic?
[14:16] <Laney> ya
[14:17] <desrt_> pitti: i'll do that today
[14:17] <seb128> pitti, you can publish notify-osd if you want
[14:19] <willcooke> sigh
[14:20] <willcooke> here we go again
[14:22] <willcooke> maybe this free USB keyring I got is the problem :)
[14:24] <willcooke> gnome-disks[2776]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fa6abfdef7f sp 00007fff9da2ce70 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.4000.0[7fa6abeff000+16b000]
[14:24] <seb128> urg
[14:25] <willcooke> replaced the USB stick with a branded one, and now we're getting somewhere
[14:25] <willcooke> disks ftw
[14:26] <willcooke> much easier
[14:26] <seb128> yeah
[14:26] <ogra_> we should make the startup-disk-creator just open disks at the right page ;)
[14:26] <willcooke> +1
[14:26] <willcooke> :)
[14:26] <seb128> pitti, seems like Mirv published it for you
[14:29] <Mirv> o/
[14:30] <pitti> seb128: je suis retour à maison maintenant
[14:30] <pitti> seb128: ah, good; thanks Mirv, I was about to give them a quick test on my laptop, but so much the better :)
[14:31] <seb128> even better, Mirv is taking the blame for clicking the button if it's buggy :p
[14:31] <willcooke> seb128, who is in charge of the installer?  When it's asking me to connect to a wifi AP it's listed the APs in alphabetical order, I think it would be better in signal strength order (appreciate that's easier said than done, but I can at least ask(
[14:31] <willcooke> ))
[14:31] <seb128> willcooke, nobody
[14:32] <willcooke> ah
[14:32] <seb128> xnox was sort of the maintainer
[14:32] <seb128> but he left Canonical recently
[14:32] <Laney> the new xnox, who doesn't exist yet
[14:32] <seb128> not sure anyone else got put in charge
[14:32] <Laney> I'd file a bug on ubiquity
[14:32] <willcooke> good plan, thx seb128
[14:32] <Mirv> pitti: it shouldn't be marked as "Testing done" if testing is still underway :)
[14:32] <seb128> I wouldn't be surprised if that was already known/filed, check launchpad before filing it
[14:32] <Laney> maybe even exists
[14:32] <Laney> search first
[14:32] <Laney> (HIGH FIVE!)
[14:32]  * willcooke searches
[14:32]  * Laney goes to review & upload dbus
[14:33] <pitti> Mirv: I tested a local build; sorry about that, my first landing for a fair while
[14:33] <Laney> yeah pre-feature-freeze crack
[14:33] <pitti> Laney: new major version?
[14:33] <Laney> yup
[14:33] <Laney> 1.8
[14:33] <pitti> :)
[14:33] <Laney> you want to review instead?
[14:33] <Laney> ;-)
[14:33] <pitti> Laney: I faintly seem to remember having tested that a bit, but I can't remember any more what held it up
[14:33] <seb128> Laney, I'm running it for a day on my i386 utopic, wfm
[14:33] <Laney> dunno, I've been running it for a few days and it seems good here
[14:34] <pitti> Laney: nah, got enough to do; if you tested it and desktop and phone works, pump it in
[14:34] <pitti> Laney: I got my today's share of blame with util-linux already :)
[14:34] <Laney> heh
[14:34] <pitti> seb128: bah, corner-case architecture only :-P
[14:34] <seb128> pitti, yeah, somebody needs to test those ;-)
[14:35] <Laney> seb128: do you still install new systems with i386?
[14:35] <pitti> seb128: so wrt "Simple mass-change: Mark universe packages for langpacks:", perhaps I should use my new landing sk1llz to do a few of those :0
[14:36] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubiquity
[14:36] <willcooke> ubiquity must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers.
[14:36] <willcooke> ???
[14:36] <willcooke> surely I'm doing something wrong here
[14:37] <seb128> pitti, you could ;-)
[14:37] <seb128> pitti, no, I don't use i386 for new systems, but I'm having the same laptop for 5 years and didn't reinstall :-)
[14:38] <pitti> seb128: DFTT :)
[14:38] <seb128> pitti, but I tried to install an i386 iso (I had that one on disk since it matches my arch) on the touch laptop I got for testing, and that was a fail
[14:38] <Laney> willcooke: they probably use Ubuntu bugs instead of project bugs
[14:38] <seb128> pitti, it took me like an hour to understand why the machine was not seeing the boot device, apparently it just ignores i386, worked when I put an amd64 iso on the usb stick
[14:39] <willcooke> ah, yes - thanks Laney
[14:39] <seb128> willcooke, Laney: indeed they do
[14:39] <Laney> it's fairly common
[14:39] <pitti> seb128: wow; so indeed good to test them
[14:40] <Laney> trying efi boot I guess
[14:40] <seb128> yeah, I didn't know it couldn't fallback/work with i386 images though
[14:40] <seb128> I tried all the bios options to disable secure boot, etc
[14:40] <seb128> none gave me a working boot
[14:41]  * Laney has ordered http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-u2414h/pd
[14:42] <desrt_> RAOF: hey... you're tracking GMutex issues?
[14:47] <pitti> seb128: mind having a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/address-book-app/use-langpack/+merge/231381 ?
[14:48] <seb128> pitti, approved
[14:48] <pitti> seb128: so I wait for jenkins' blessing on the MP, then land this, right?
[14:48] <seb128> pitti, yes
[14:53] <pitti> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/indicator-location/use-langpack/+merge/231385 (boooring)
[14:53] <seb128> pitti, approved
[14:56] <Sweetshark> thunderbolt and lightning weery weery frightening!
[14:56] <pitti> Galileo Galileo!
[14:57] <pitti> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/indicator-network/use-langpack/+merge/231386
[14:57] <seb128> pitti, done
[14:57] <pitti> seb128: sorry for the boredom; but I asked for this two months ago, time to finish this..
[14:58] <seb128> pitti, don't worry!
[14:58] <Sweetshark> pitti: magnifico o o o o!
[14:58]  * pitti misses the apt-get source, fix, dput turnaround..
[14:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: I'm just a poor boy, from a poor family
[14:58] <pitti> ♩ ♪ ♫
[14:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: argh, I screwed up
[14:59] <pitti> Sweetshark: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
[14:59] <Sweetshark> pitti: He's just a poor boy from a poor family!
[15:00] <Sweetshark> pitti: now that we have proven our orchestration skills we should move to the cloud team.
[15:02] <pitti> Mirv: so, I really don't want to do a full MP for just adding X-Ubuntu-Langpack for unity8; I wonder whether we can slip this into any existing MP?
[15:03] <pitti> Mirv: or whether I could just commit that to lp:unity8 so that it gets into the next upload?
[15:03] <pitti> (but I think we considered this already, and for some reason staging stuff into trunks doesn't work)
[15:05] <Mirv> pitti: just get the MP to be part of whatever Saviq is landing next
[15:06] <Mirv> especially if he still would allow that change to eg. landing-017 on line 20
[15:06] <Mirv> (since it reqs a rebuild)
[15:06] <pitti> Mirv: ah, so add it to an existing line in the sheet?
[15:07] <pitti> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntu-system-settings/use-langpack/+merge/231387 (that took a bit to build)
[15:07] <Laney> APPROVAL RACE
[15:08] <willcooke> seb128, I installed desktop next from an ISO I downloaded yesterday, then apt-get upgraded
[15:08] <willcooke> seb128, now I get the normal login screen, login, then nothing
[15:08] <willcooke> seb128, when you have some time can you talk me through what I should be doing?  (Or point me at some docs? - I can write some if none exist)
[15:09] <Mirv> pitti: yes, but you need to get an ack from Saviq whether he's ok in adding it to that particular landing at this point. then a reconfigure of the silo is needed, and a rebuild.
[15:09] <seb128> Laney, I won :p
[15:09] <pitti> Laney: :)
[15:09] <seb128> willcooke, what do you mean "nothing"? did you wait for a bit for the session to load?
[15:10] <willcooke> seb128, yeah waited some minutes.  I did have the U8 welcome (right edge blurb) but it wouldnt do anything, now I just get a black screen.  I'm doing a dist-upgrade atm, seems like there are more updates
[15:10] <seb128> Laney, or seems like I won the comment and you had the status ;-)
[15:11] <seb128> willcooke, k, try rebooting, I didn't try the first run wizard for a while
[15:11] <willcooke> seb128, ack
[15:14] <willcooke> seb128, ok, dist-upgrade seems to have helped, I have the first run wizard again
[15:14] <seb128> great
[15:15] <pitti> kenvandine: would you mind folding https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntu-system-settings/use-langpack/+merge/231387 into your current system-stetings landing?
[15:16] <willcooke> seb128, so now I have logged in to the first light-dm(?) screen, and I get the U8 greeter.  I log in there, and nothing seems to happen.  Is this because that fix hasn't made it in to the build yet?
[15:17] <pitti> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/unity8/use-langpack/+merge/231390 and https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/mediaplayer-app/use-langpack/+merge/231392 (still says "updating", but the diff is there now)
[15:17] <seb128> willcooke, correct
[15:18] <seb128> pitti, I'm not really a commiter on those projects, maybe get kenvandine or Saviq to ack those? I'm fine comment acking but I would prefer somebody from the project to change the status
[15:18] <pitti> seb128: ah, sure
[15:18] <willcooke> seb128, cool.  I shall wait :)  BTW - is your touch pad for the pointer mega sensitive?  Mine always wants to move to the left whenever my finger is on it
[15:18] <pitti> Saviq: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/unity8/use-langpack/+merge/231390 (trivial mass-change) and folding it into your current unity8 landing?
[15:18] <seb128> willcooke, touchpad is ok for me (I think)
[15:19] <Saviq> pitti, yeah, will do, I assume there's no way for me to test this actually works?
[15:19] <willcooke> seb128, last question for now:  how do I switch back to the GUI?  I can't do ctrl-alt-f7 any more
[15:19] <seb128> willcooke, f8
[15:19] <pitti> Saviq: I built the packages locally; if you install pkgbinarymangler in your build schroot and enable it in /etc/pkgbinarymangler/striptranslations.conf, you'll get a _translations.tar.gz built, and the .debs don't have *.mo files
[15:20] <pitti> Saviq: (that's how the distro builders are configured)
[15:20] <Saviq> pitti, oh will check it out then
[15:20] <pitti> Saviq: you can also just let the PPA build them and look at the .debs and the .changes of course (might be easier)
[15:20] <Saviq> pitti, yup, will do, thanks
[15:20] <pitti> Saviq: we do that stripping for thousands of packages, it's a simple mass-change
[15:21] <pitti> (and have done so since 2005 or so, it's well understood)
[15:21] <Saviq> pitti, yeah yeah, I know
[15:21] <pitti> Saviq: cheers! (I don't want to do a full landing just for this, would be an utter resource waste)
[15:21] <kenvandine> pitti, sure, i'll add that to the current uss landing
[15:21] <pitti> kenvandine: cheers!
[15:22] <Saviq> pitti, of course, we'll take care of it
[15:22] <pitti> 7 branches to go..
[15:23] <pitti> oh, we don't do friends-app any more, right?
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: "Jenkins Fixed - utopic-adt-notify-osd 36" \o/
[15:26] <seb128> pitti, nice!
[15:28] <robru> qengho, amd64, utopic. yeah
[15:28] <qengho> robru: thanks.
[15:28] <seb128> kenvandine, is bug #1358789 something you were looking at? I think you mentioned it before enabling the gps switch
[15:29] <robru> qengho, you're welcome
[15:29] <kenvandine> seb128, that's something charles is working on... i think
[15:29] <kenvandine> basically uss is now doing the right thing
[15:29] <seb128> k
[15:29] <seb128> charles, ^ correct?
[15:29] <kenvandine> but there's a bug in either the indicator or location-service that's making it get out of sync
[15:30] <willcooke> Alrighty - it's that time again folks... weekly meeting.
[15:30] <seb128> k
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:
[15:30] <kenvandine> charles, please confirm
[15:30] <willcooke> In alphabetical order
[15:30] <charles> seb128, kenvandine, actually I suspect it's in the gui glue between the service and u-s-s
[15:31] <kenvandine> charles, the action group?
[15:31] <kenvandine> we can take this outside to keep the meeting going :)
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, let's move to e.g -touch
[15:32] <seb128> willcooke, going to list the alphabetical order, or do we need to remember the list? ;-)
[15:32] <willcooke> seb128, just working it out... one sec....
[15:33] <willcooke> attente_, (brookswarner), desrt, (dgadomski), FJKong, happyaron, Laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, Sweetshark, tkamppeter
[15:33] <willcooke> who'd I miss?
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: "Migration: All packages are in destination
[15:34] <pitti> You can Merge and Clean now."
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: if I click on "clean", will that merge automatically, or how is that done?
[15:34] <seb128> willcooke, I think the list is good
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, it opens a jenkins page and if you click build it does it yes
[15:35] <willcooke> OK, attente_ - lay it on us....
[15:35] <larsu> new world order?!
[15:35] <larsu> s/world/meeting
[15:35] <willcooke> larsu, :)  mixing it up.
[15:35] <desrt> larsu: and seb not in charge
[15:35] <desrt> seems alphabetical....
[15:36] <attente_> fcitx transition... blocked on fcitx MIR
[15:37] <willcooke> ok, attente_ seb128  - do we want to talk about fcitx in 14.10 now?
[15:37] <seb128> we can do it a bit
[15:37] <willcooke> or save it for the end after the status updates
[15:37] <seb128> attente_, hey
[15:38] <seb128> let's do it now, but not enter into too much details
[15:38] <seb128> ?
[15:38] <attente_> ok
[15:38] <pitti> seb128: cheers! and finally http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089827/, then I'll stop bugging you *hug*
[15:38] <willcooke> So, my summary:
[15:38] <seb128> pitti, ;-) (sorry, meeting ongoing)
[15:38] <Laney> I need to make a phone call, will try to notice + paste
[15:38] <attente_> yeah, so about the fcitx MIR, is that going to be ready in time?
[15:39] <willcooke> I'm worried we don't have enough time to get everything we need ready in time for feature freeze.  I think rushing it in is generally a bad idea
[15:39] <seb128> not likely, I doubt anyone is going to pick on the MIRs before didrocks is back
[15:39] <attente_> :(
[15:40] <seb128> attente_, we were discussed that earlier with willcooke and were sort of thinking we should land the support for fcitx but not install it by default/enable it for Chinese this cycle
[15:40] <desrt> attente_: don't worry... LTS+1 is always the release that people skip over anyway :)
[15:40] <seb128> attente_, we can get a FFe to build indicator/u-s-d with fcitx when the MIR is approved
[15:40] <seb128> that would be a middle ground
[15:40] <seb128> willcooke, ^ correct summary?
[15:40] <willcooke> seb128, yes
[15:41] <seb128> attente_, wdyt?
[15:41] <willcooke> I spoke to a16g (Anthony) and he's happy with that approach
[15:41] <attente_> it's more than that... it's also u-c-c, im-config
[15:41] <seb128> well, add those to the list
[15:41] <seb128> that was not meant a full components summary
[15:42] <attente_> a lot of FFe's...
[15:42] <seb128> just a "let's land the support with a ffe, don't change defaults"
[15:42] <seb128> that would be 1 FFe?
[15:42] <seb128> "enable fcitx support in desktop"
[15:42] <seb128> 1 bug, even if it impacts several sources
[15:42] <attente_> so no to updating im-config for a chinese default?
[15:42] <seb128> right
[15:42] <seb128> no change to defaults
[15:42] <seb128> just landing the support
[15:42] <seb128> and we can do the change next cycle
[15:42] <attente_> think it's more important what happyaron things about that...
[15:42] <attente_> *thinks
[15:43] <seb128> well, as willcooke said, he talked to Anthony who said they are ok if we don't switch default this cycle
[15:43] <attente_> ok
[15:43] <attente_> but are you sure that meant not default overall?
[15:43] <seb128> you seem like unhappy with that option?
[15:45] <attente_> it's ok. let's just make sure there's no confusion on both sides
[15:45] <seb128> right, willcooke is checking with everyone to make sure it's ok
[15:45] <seb128> that's the approach we would suggest
[15:45] <willcooke> I'm happy they understand the approach we're taking in Beijing
[15:45] <seb128> imho we put us under too much pressure if we change default now, especially with all the MIR work not done yet
[15:46] <attente_> what we talked about there was to leave the default alone except for chinese locale, no?
[15:46] <seb128> yes
[15:46] <seb128> but we didn't think about the MIR
[15:46] <seb128> especially not about it having that stack of components to promote
[15:47] <seb128> that's why willcooke checked with Anthony if a change of plan would be ok
[15:47] <seb128> seems it is
[15:47] <attente_> ok, understood
[15:47] <attente_> thanks guys
[15:47] <seb128> thanks attente_ ;-)
[15:47] <seb128> willcooke, I think we can move on from the topic?
[15:47] <willcooke> ack
[15:47] <seb128> we can discuss after meeting if more is needed
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks guys.  Sorry we won't get everything we wanted in, but it's just too late IMHO.  Let's not put ourselves in trouble
[15:48] <willcooke> ok, moving on
[15:48] <willcooke> desrt, welcome back.  Anything to report?
[15:48] <desrt> hi
[15:49] <desrt> spent most of yesterday sorting through the backlog of pings, mails, bugs
[15:49] <desrt> did a couple of minor patches
[15:49] <desrt> today i'm fighting with Laney over what to do about all of the deprecation notices for gobject properties we have
[15:49] <desrt> will do a couple more glib patches as well
[15:49] <desrt> and have a systemd-shim release to do
[15:49] <desrt> that's about all
[15:50] <willcooke> cool, thanks desrt -  we have a 1:1 on Friday, but ping me if you need anything in the meantime
[15:51] <desrt> about that.....
[15:51] <desrt> i'm on a flight to debconf on friday :)
[15:51] <willcooke> moving on to Laney (since FJKong and happyaron are afk)
[15:51] <desrt> we seem to have some very bad luck here :p
[15:51] <FJKong> ok, my turn now :)
[15:51] <FJKong> last week , only bug fixing for sogou input method on the final RC version. good news it has been released just few hours ago, yeah!
[15:51] <FJKong> also help QA for bug confirming and testing
[15:51] <willcooke> desrt, arse.  Ok, I'll move it
[15:52] <willcooke> woot - congrats FJKong
[15:52] <FJKong> oh,
[15:52] <seb128> FJKong, well done!
[15:52] <FJKong> am I too fast of pasting?
[15:52]  * Laney is being terrorised by a wasp
[15:53] <willcooke> nah, it's fine FJKong - you were marked as away last time I checked, so I thought you might be afk
[15:53] <willcooke> now, if Laney is still alive, we can move to him.  Laney, you want more time?  We can come back around to you
[15:53] <Laney> got it out
[15:53] <FJKong> fine for me, night birds
[15:53] <FJKong> bird
[15:53] <Laney> puny creature
[15:53] <Laney> • Poke about content-hub NBS which was causing desktop-next image failures
[15:53] <Laney> • Update & sync glib, fix some boo boos
[15:53] <Laney> • Update gst-plugins-good1.0
[15:53] <Laney> • Update -bad, platform-api was broken, fix that, push to ppa, need to get tested on phone before uploading.
[15:53] <Laney> • Review gnome-desktop/u-c-c/u-s-d MRs, still buggy
[15:53] <Laney> • Port u-s-s to upower 0.99, find a bug in a dbusmock template, fix that
[15:54] <Laney> • Reupload webkitgtk for trusty
[15:54] <Laney> • Merge pcre3
[15:54] <Laney> • Update clutter, folks, sync harfbuzz, pango
[15:54] <Laney> • Patch pilot
[15:54] <Laney> • Seed (packageset) gardening, mainly for server
[15:54] <Laney> ☾
[15:54] <FJKong> wow~
[15:54] <Laney> also just uploaded dbus, which is causing predictable excitement for phone people :-)
[15:54]  * Laney stares at ogra
[15:55] <willcooke> :D
[15:55] <ogra_> yeah, you made us all panic with that changelog
[15:55] <ogra_> shouldnt have used -v !
[15:55] <Laney> hahaha
[15:55] <Laney> you shouldn't count lines of things
[15:55] <ogra_> lol
[15:55] <Laney> diff from 1.6.18-0ubuntu10 to 1.8.6-1ubuntu1 (373.5 KiB)
[15:55] <Laney> this is better
[15:55] <FJKong> maybe I need run tail -1000 to check the irc log
[15:56] <Sweetshark> Laney: is that tiny diff allowed to go out alone at night?
[15:56] <ogra_> yes, but no drinking yet
[15:56]  * Laney sweats lifting it and then looks over to see Sweetshark spinning libreoffice on one finger
[15:56] <ogra_> and it has to be back at eleven
[15:57] <willcooke> thanks Laney.  On to larsu, also welcome back!  Anything to report?
[15:58] <larsu> hey, I just got back today, so not a lot of news yet
[15:58] <Sweetshark> one looks cool spinning a handgranade by the pin on one finger just until one fumbles ...
[15:58] <willcooke> :)
[15:58] <larsu> went through backlog of the last two weeks and responded to a couple of mails / bugs
[15:58] <ogra_> Sweetshark, pessimist
[15:58] <larsu> made gtk-3-12 compile again
[15:58] <larsu> started looking into a theming bug that yorba jim filed
[15:58] <larsu> theming \o/
[15:59] <larsu> I think that's about it for today
[15:59] <seb128> larsu, wb ;-)
[15:59] <willcooke> larsu, thanks.  We have our 1:1 on Friday morning, so we can catch up then as well
[15:59] <willcooke> qengho, how goes Chromium?  Still causing you annoyances?
[16:00] <larsu> willcooke: yep. And I'll finally be able to make it this Friday :)
[16:00] <qengho> willcooke: it's looking more promising.
[16:00] <qengho> * Fixing i386 crasher on U. Wasn't SSE support. Wasn't tcmalloc. Not new build-dep I've confirmed that g++ 4.9 makes crashing code in the javascript and rendering engines. I'm forcing use of 4.8 in U for now.
[16:00] <qengho> * No change on mir support.
[16:00] <qengho> EOF
[16:01] <willcooke> thanks qengho.  Let me know if you need some more support on that one.
[16:01] <qengho> I'll need testing. It's arriving in my ppa now.
[16:02] <willcooke> qengho, can I test in a VM?  Happy to spin up a few machines
[16:02] <seb128> I can test on i386
[16:02] <qengho> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage
[16:02]  * seb128 waits for that fix for a week 
[16:03] <willcooke> ok, seb128 - over to you
[16:04] <seb128> • opt-ed in for the fcitx testing ppa, played a bit with it trying to configure and use keyboard layouts and input methods, some UI glitches but it mostly works
[16:04] <seb128> • tried the new dbus which is in the sponsoring queue, looks good
[16:04] <seb128> • sponsored libreoffice updates/bugfixes
[16:04] <seb128> • some fighting with desktop-next to be able to log back into unity8-desktop sessions (due to bug #1350878)
[16:04] <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings for touch
[16:04] <seb128> ∘ looked a bit to the "battery plugin use cpu after idle" issue, seems to be an lower system/upower issue generating lot of updates
[16:04] <seb128> ∘ debugged layout issues in the updates panel, workarounded one that turned out to be a toolkit bug (filed report with testcase)
[16:04] <seb128> ∘ worked on several changes in the same panel, but after spending some time fixing corner cases, decided that it would easier to rework the layout to use a column rather than anchors, going to work on that next
[16:04] <seb128> ∘ reviews of some of the merge requests submitted during the week
[16:04] <seb128> • usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions
[16:04] <seb128>  
[16:05] <seb128> that's it for this week (also had a swap afternoon from the trip to China on thursday)
[16:05] <Laney> nice bullets
[16:05] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[16:05] <qengho> Compose, hyphen, period == ·
[16:06] <seb128> the ones I used are just copy from tomboy, the white one are the next indentation format
[16:06] <willcooke> thanks seb128, Sweetshark.. thanks for the report from your trip.  Anything else to report here?
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o 4.3.0 is in utopic \o/
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o only minor b0rkage around -base/-base-drivers on this usually tricky first-in-the-cycle-upload *cough*
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o bug 1357700 fix commited, testing upgrade paths right now (1/2)
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o various bug triage on lp and fdo
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o fixed ftbfs for libixion on ppc64el (bug 1358365)
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o usual TDF/LibreOffice calls/coordination: ESC, QA call, Board call ...
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o closing off some old MIRs (bug 1276252)
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o organized LibreOffice conference travel and prepare for the talks (first week of Sept. in Bern)
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o creating docker/saltstack-foo to integrate Ubuntu CI/testing better in upstream infra right now
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o last week: on sick leave
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o week before: in Montevideo at Antel/Avanza, talked about LibreOffice http://tv.vera.com.uy/video/8406 and some enduser suppport
[16:07] <Sweetshark> o <- nice ASCII bullets
[16:07] <Sweetshark> EOF
[16:07] <willcooke> :D
[16:08] <willcooke> thanks Sweetshark, you've been pretty busy eh?!
[16:09] <willcooke> ok, over to tkamppeter - how's did the house move go?
[16:10] <tkamppeter> - OpenPrinting Summit
[16:10] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Temporarily added ippusbxd (Support for IPP-over-USB printers) to the cups-filters Ubuntu package to get it in before FF of Utopic. Proper Debian/Ubuntu packaging for ippusbxd (as its own project) will come later.
[16:10] <tkamppeter> - Mentoring of GSoC students, finalizing the projects
[16:10] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[16:10] <willcooke> woot - glad you got ipp over usb in, that will be a nice new feature
[16:10] <tkamppeter> - One week away from the new home due to the Summit in Toronto, but still had a lot to do, internet through TV cable working well.
[16:11] <willcooke> :D
[16:11] <tkamppeter> Yes, as every year I am getting the GSoC projects into the fall (X.10) edition of Ubuntu.
[16:12] <willcooke> OK, let's move to Any Other Business then....
[16:12] <tkamppeter> I now only need to apply the patches for udev-config-printer (system-config-printer package) and all is in. Then I need to buy an appropriate printer and test, still two months for testing and bug fixing.
[16:13] <Laney> I wonder how many printers tkamppeter has
[16:13] <willcooke> He sells them on eBay and uses the money to fund the purchase of his new house
[16:13] <tkamppeter> Laney, currently 8, I think max was 15.
[16:14] <Laney> you should implement parallel printing
[16:15] <Laney> willcooke: any sprint news?
[16:15] <willcooke> mishravikas was asking how he could get involved in contributing to the desktop, but I don't think he(?) is around, maybe he'll be back another day
[16:15] <tkamppeter> willcooke, no, I have sold some which were broken, but a broken gives only 10-15 EUR, if you pay 10-15 EUR a month you will not even able to pay the interest of the apartment credit of that month.
[16:15] <willcooke> tkamppeter, :D
[16:16] <willcooke> Laney, nothing more that a proposed date.  I'll let you know more as soon as I hear it
[16:16] <Laney> 'kay
[16:16] <willcooke> s/that/than
[16:16] <tkamppeter> Selling broken printers is mainly to have no cost with proper disposal and to simply be able to bring them to the next post office to get rid of them.
[16:17] <willcooke> anyone have anything else, or shall we wrap?
[16:18] <seb128> seems like we can wrap there?
[16:19] <willcooke> oh, seb128 - turns out my vtty switch problems were because you have to hold down the fn button to make the f keys do f key stuff, rather than the alternate action (turn off wifi, etc)
[16:19] <seb128> oh, right
[16:19] <willcooke> ok, meeting over.  Thanks folks, see you all next time... o/
[16:19] <seb128> sorry I didn't think about mentioning that
[16:19] <seb128> thanks willcooke!
[16:19] <willcooke> :D
[16:27] <Laney> seb128: dbus needs new review if you feel like it
[16:27] <Laney> ;-)
[16:28] <seb128> Laney, upload first, review then? ;-)
[16:29] <Laney> it is in there
[16:31] <seb128> Laney, oooh, you mean binNEW review?
[16:31] <Laney> s/new/NEW/ if that helps :P
[16:31] <seb128> I though you mean code review
[16:31] <seb128> yeah, sorry, didn't get that a first
[16:31] <seb128> looking
[16:33] <seb128> Laney, NEWed ;-)
[16:33] <Laney> cheers!
[16:34] <seb128> yw!
[16:34] <seb128> thanks for helping getting that in
[16:37] <Laney> I mainly wanted to get the new dbus-run-session utility
[16:38] <seb128> what does that do?
[16:38] <seb128> oh, it has a manpage
[16:39] <seb128> useful
[16:39] <Laney> it's like a less crap version of dbus-launch
[16:39] <Laney> doesn't leave stray dbus-daemons around
[16:39] <seb128> nice
[16:43] <desrt> Laney: so... on the topic of the deprecations
[16:43] <desrt> you want to rip out the DEPRECATED tag on some of the more obnoxious warnings from gtk (ezk: the GtkSettings ones) and otherwise leave the warnings enabled for other things?
[16:45] <Laney> desrt: I feel like I'd prefer that, yeah - what do you think?
[16:46] <desrt> i usually think that i want to make seb happy :)
[16:46] <Laney> haha
[16:46] <desrt> the question comes about what benefit we'll gain from having these warnings on ubuntu
[16:47] <Laney> sycophancy!
[16:47] <desrt> i guess not a lot of upstream development is happening on ubuntu these days, so we're probably indeed just spamming our own users with this stuff
[16:47] <desrt> and not helping the people who write the software at all
[16:48] <Laney> I dunno, I wouldn't like to make a call like that
[16:48] <Laney> "debugging information is for fedora users"
[16:48] <desrt> well, honestly, it's mostly for jhbuild users
[16:49] <desrt> i wouldn't care too much if fedora did the same patching
[16:49] <desrt> (although clearly more upstream gtk devs are using fedora)
[16:50] <Laney> jhbuild can pass configure flags, yes?
[16:50] <desrt> i know where you're going, and this is a conversation we've had before.... :)
[16:50] <Laney> :)
[16:51] <desrt> some people also build out of git for themselves
[16:51] <desrt> like me...
[16:51] <Laney> so the defaults should be for ... users or developers?
[16:51] <desrt> i'd sooner add a --enable-we-have-a-product-to-ship-here
[16:51] <desrt> developers, for sure
[16:51] <desrt> because "real users" have a distro between them and the upstream
[16:52] <desrt> at the end of the day, i think we need to take a decision about what is right for our (ubuntu) users
[16:52] <Laney> sounds like you want to recommend distros turn these warnings off
[16:52] <desrt> and i think seb might be totally right on this point
[16:52] <desrt> fedora is a different distribution with a substantially different composition to their userbase
[16:53] <desrt> i also honestly believe that this is a one-cycle affair
[16:53] <desrt> and i'm also happier about a one character(!) patch instead of a many-lines one that removes a bunch of flags from a bunch of files
[16:54] <Sweetshark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/utopic/4.3.0/libreoffice_4.3.0-3ubuntu2_source.changes <- upgrades pass smoketest, please sponsor
[16:55] <desrt> plus... according to today's news ( http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2dxik3/future_of_gnome_and_gtk_when_whole_world_is/ ) nobody outside of gnome is developing gtk apps anyway :)
[16:56] <Sweetshark> desrt: well if its on reddit, it has to be the truth obviously.
[16:56] <Sweetshark> <- eod
[16:56] <desrt> Sweetshark: enjoy a mate for me :p
[16:56] <Sweetshark> desrt: aye ;)
[17:02] <Laney> desrt: lemme think about it
[17:02] <Laney> I'll be uploading the new glib tomorrow ...
[17:03] <Laney> I'm offski, got a birthday party to go to
[17:03] <Laney> o/
[17:03] <desrt> ciao.
[17:50] <seb128> Sweetshark, k
[19:06] <qengho> robru: Will you please test a chromium in my PPA for that crasher?  https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage
[19:24] <robru> qengho, yes!
[19:24] <robru> qengho, put that on the bug, too, eh? there was another guy claiming to be affected by the same thing
[19:27] <qengho> robru: if it works for you, I'll just release it.  I don't want regular joes using that PPA.
[19:27] <robru> heh
[19:27] <robru> qengho, ok just installing now
[19:54] <desrt> pitti: did the release just now
[20:00] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell
[20:00] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[20:24] <qengho> robru: well?
[20:25] <robru> qengho, seems fine briefly. I don't know how to reproduce the crash though, gimme a couple days with it
[20:27] <qengho> I would like a upload sponsor for chromium to U, please.  https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages   v 36.0.1985.143-0ubuntu1~pkg1042
[20:55] <robert_ancell> popey, what display manager does Ubuntu Mate use?
[20:57] <popey> robert_ancell: lightdm
[20:58] <popey> oh hang on
[20:58] <popey> robert_ancell: yes, lightdm ☻
[20:59] <robert_ancell> cool. Is it working well?
[20:59] <popey> yeah!
[20:59] <popey> nouveau retro ☻
[20:59] <robert_ancell> awesome
[22:25] <RAOF> desrt: Not tracking as such, but noticed a couple of regressions.
[22:26] <RAOF> desrt: I'll poke further into Do to see what's actually going wrong there.
[22:37] <desrt> RAOF: thanks