=== fginther is now known as fginther` === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === dgadomski_ is now known as dgadomski === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv [08:00] good morning desktopers [08:02] hai [08:04] can has coffee? [08:05] visible "hai desktopers!" [08:05] kthxbye [08:06] * Sweetsha1k needs to learn to write lolcode more fluently. We should make that the default language for ./debian/rules. === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [08:10] morning all [08:21] hey Laney, Sweetshark, willcooke [08:21] wie gehts? [08:22] dut, danke [08:22] *gut [08:22] https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/unity8/lp-1350878/+merge/231248 [08:23] nice, bregma has a workaround for the unity8-desktop-next login issue [08:23] code workaround in compiled code [08:23] but that's a step toward a solution ;-) [08:23] woot! Thanks bregma, just in time for my new touchscreen laptop arriving [08:23] :-) [08:24] what is this define?!?!?! [08:25] ha, DONT_HANG_DESKTOP [08:27] seb128, @ email [08:27] that mp seems incomplete/buggy to me [08:27] it's also weird it only change a mock [08:27] willcooke, did you read it yet? [08:27] reading it now [08:27] makes sense [08:27] hey folks [08:27] cool [08:27] hey ochosi [08:27] I think I made a typo, not 16.10.. 14.10 [08:27] I was unsure [08:28] since FF is approaching, are there any plans to upgrade e.g. evince or file-roller to 3.12? [08:28] ochosi, no [08:28] i'm just asking cause we (xubuntu) are very happy with 3.10 [08:28] those use csd [08:28] since there is no csd [08:28] ah, good :) [08:28] that was basically what i wanted to know [08:28] good then ;-) [08:29] i guess there'll still be 3rd party apps with csd in the repos though [08:29] willcooke, I was unsure, because the plan for 14.10 would be minimal if we decide to not do the transition this cycle [08:29] ochosi, right, nothing you can do against that though. Like they are motif apps in the repos, users can choose to use them or not [08:29] seb128, yeah - I think you're plan is very sensible. [08:29] seb128: sure, just as long as the apps we install by default don't look totally out of place i'm more or less ok with anything else ;) [08:30] ochosi, same for us, we do control of things that are installed by default, because we push them to users [08:30] things that can be installed, users can get them and see if they like what they get or not, and if they don't, look for alternative options [08:31] yup, totally agreed [08:31] i guess for 15.04 we'll need a new plan though, i guess it'll be hard to keep CSD out forever [08:33] yeah, it's going to be the same discussion as every cycle... [08:33] either make csd work well enough !gnome-shell, or patch apps or replace them [08:34] "Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked" [08:34] this is an abort() [08:34] that's what kills Do [08:34] seb128: hmm yeah. i guess unity and xfce are on the same side on this subject [08:35] Laney: Yeah. [08:35] RAOF: you looked into where it comes from? [08:35] Laney: I suspect the same update has killed Geary in some way - both new and old versions never finish loading the main window. [08:36] There's a new implementation of GMutex in this glib [08:36] Orly? [08:37] ecf13591 glib/gthread-posix.c (Ryan Lortie 2014-06-29 17:47:10 -0400 1320) fprintf (stderr, "Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked\n"); [08:37] ecf13591 glib/gthread-posix.c (Ryan Lortie 2014-06-29 17:47:10 -0400 1321) abort (); [08:38] hey larsu [08:39] willcooke: good morning! [08:39] and hi everyone else, good to see you :) [08:40] Laney: Ah, yes. Downgrading glib fixes Geary, too. [08:40] oh, a larsu! [08:40] larsu, wb ;-) [08:40] RAOF: Was it this same abort()? [08:40] Laney: No, it didn't abort(), it just deadlocked. [08:40] hi seb128 :) [08:41] oho [08:41] deeesssrrrt [08:41] what did you do to glib! [08:41] * RAOF suspects that the new GMutex is not all that and a bag of potato chips [08:41] hey larsu! [08:41] good hols? [08:42] Laney: _very_ good [08:43] Laney: currently waking up after a long sleep (just got back last night) [08:43] glad to see the computer still works :) [08:43] don't upgrade glib :P [08:43] lol [08:46] * Sweetshark somehow lost track when the discussion turned to when cristopher street day will become part of Ubuntu. [08:46] * Sweetshark scans backlog. [08:47] Sweetshark: go save Munich plz [08:48] Laney: :/ -- no comment on that one in public. But yeah, working on it obviously. [08:48] You just commented on it in public. [08:50] RAOF: ah, I know the Geary one [08:50] it's a vala code generation issue, no-change rebuild against current vala fixes it [08:50] jpds: well yeah. I know about the issue, thats it as a public statement. [08:51] seb128: just out of curiosity, did you patch the open-file dialog (cause iirc that also has CSD in gtk3.12)? [08:51] Laney: That's only exposed by the new glib? [08:51] Laney: Because downgrading glib makes it work without a rebuild. [08:51] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733500 [08:51] Gnome bug 733500 in Code Generator "Vala's handling of GMutex/GCond structs causes deadlocks" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] [08:51] ochosi, yes [08:52] seb128: ok :) i was afraid what would happen when i hit file -> open in utopic and then felt extremely relieved to see that it's not broken :> [08:52] hehe [08:52] thanks for that! [08:52] that's one of the things that we had on the "need to be fixed before landing new GTK" [08:53] thanks to larsu, he did the work ;-) [08:53] thanks larsu :) [08:53] :) [09:05] seb128: so, I guess I have a fix for bug 1357700, but havent checked the upgrade path yet (e.g. build in ppa, update to it from a vanilla VirtualBox). [09:05] bug 1357700 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "package libreoffice-base 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libjdbclo.so', which is also in package libreoffice-base-drivers 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357700 [09:05] Sweetshark, wasn't that one of the commits your pointed me at yesterday? [09:06] wanna sponsor as is to quickly fix this, or wait a few hours for the ppa build. [09:06] it can wait a few hours I think [09:06] yes, that was the commits yesterday -- took some time to build locally :/ [09:06] alright. [09:29] seb128, initial reports are that the guys in China are OK with not switching to fcitx for 14.10 [09:29] wait what [09:30] Laney, I'm worried that switching wholesale at this point is too risky. [09:30] we can still get the support in for indicators, control centre etc, but making it the default today (2 days ahead of feature freeze) is, IMHO, a big risk [09:31] Laney, the mir is a stack of components and didrocks listed a list of issues and is on holidays, I even doubt we are going to manage to get it promoted this week [09:32] Laney, we are suggesting changing the goal for "enable support for fcitx, don't install it by default/don't make it used for Chinese" for this cycle [09:32] we can discuss that during the meeting later [09:33] I know about the issues, this is just coming as a surprise (I didn't see it discussed on channel) [09:33] we are discussing it now :p [09:33] discussion started earlier over email, we are sort of moving it to IRC there [09:36] we could make im-config support a conf.d directory so that other people can override the default if they want [09:36] otherwise, fair enough, should have worked on the MIR earlier [09:38] right [09:38] Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fcitx/+bug/1356222 [09:38] Ubuntu bug 1356222 in librime (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete] [09:38] Laney, look at that one [09:38] that and I don't see anyone picking up that review while didrocks is on vac [09:39] I saw it [09:39] ups [09:39] k [09:39] so we would need a freeze exception, it feels like to much forcing in without strong rational [09:39] If we're talking about Kylin it is universe anyway & what we decide shouldn't necessarily bother them too much [09:40] right [09:40] Kylin is already on fcitx since saucy [09:40] indeed [09:42] seb128: building https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging-proposed/+builds?build_state=building [09:42] Sweetshark, is that new? I though it was building since yesterday? [09:43] oh ok, seems it's a new upload, k [09:45] k, I'm out for some errands and early lunch, back in an hour [09:54] morning qengho [09:55] hiya, will! [09:55] qengho, how was the first day of big school? [09:56] that was your kid, right? [09:58] willcooke: my kid had a great first day. [09:58] yay! [09:59] willcooke: When asked, the only memorable parts were, playdoh is awesome, and he likes where he sits at lunch. [09:59] :D [10:00] And this afternoon you'll ask what he did you'll be told "nothing" or "I can't remember" [10:20] Laney, jpds: here is some nice info on munich: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpiratenpartei-bayern.de%2F2014%2F08%2F19%2Fmuenchener-it-zurueck-in-die-vergangenheit%2F&edit-text=&act=url [10:36] seb128: if you have time, could you take a look at this merge to help our MATE running friends? ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu/utopic/policykit-desktop-privileges/mate-fixes/ === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:26] popey, hey, sure [11:26] thanks seb128 [11:26] yw! [11:26] qengho, hey, what happened to the fixed chromium that was supposed to be uploaded yesterday? [11:26] still seems buggy on utopic today [11:27] seb128: I didn't find the problem. I'm bisecting build-deps to find the cause now. [11:28] qengho, oh ok, I though you said you would have a fixed version "today"? [11:29] seb128: I was too optimistic. [11:29] qengho, it shouldn't take us over a week to get back to a working browser when we upload a buggy version :/ [11:30] seb128: the same source works on P and T. Something changed elsewhere in U. [11:30] qengho, right, I understand, still we ought to be able to resolve those issues in less than a week, that's too long of a time to let use down without a working browser [11:31] seb128: can I build on T and have that uploaded to U? [11:31] no [11:31] I didn't think so. [11:31] but you can force a compiler version [11:31] like build with gcc 4.8 if 4.9 is the issue [11:31] since we have both versions in the archive [11:40] gatox, hey [11:40] seb128, hi.. i was just about to ping you [11:40] gatox, do you still plan to resume work on the updates panel? I was pondering reworking the UI to use a Column rather than anchors, that would make easier to resolve some of the UI issues, but I don't want to conflict work [11:41] gatox, oh, about settings I guess? ;-) [11:41] seb128, i was about to ask you if someone else is working in updates... because i'm still with some tasks of pay... and eveytime i think i'm done, a new task appear :P so i don't know for sure when i'm going to be able to look into that [11:42] gatox, ok, I'm going to start on the UI reshuffle then [11:42] seb128, so..... go ahead... and if at some point i can go back to updates... i'll start a fresh branch for whatever [11:42] gatox, I might also change the widget for list items to be a column [11:42] k [11:42] gatox, it would be nice if you could finish your work on the battery check though [11:43] seb128, yes... but i haven't have the time for that :S [11:43] what is missing? [11:45] seb128, it was having issues with QtSettings not working properly on the n4... just that... and i tried to look at the battery plugin to see if i could use that... but i think it doesn't provide the proper info that updates need to check (but this last part is not necessary if QtSettings works in the phone) [11:46] QtSystems you mean, right? [11:46] seb128, yes, sorry.... that [11:46] k [11:47] I guess I can try to have a look to that as well, if I'm done with the UI changes and you are still busy with the pay work by then [11:47] seb128, if QtSystems is working now on the phone (that it should), the branch is ready [11:47] gatox, ok, let me try it [11:49] RAOF, 2.41 is an unstable serie, that's not a bugfix update ;-) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === Pici` is now known as Pici === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:03] desrt_: hey Ryan, how are you? [13:03] desrt_: would you mind wrapping a systemd-shim 7 tarball? [13:04] desrt_: I fixed a few small bugs, and we could package that properly instead of the debian/patches mess that we have ATM [13:04] hey pitti, wie gehts? [13:04] seb128: gut, danke! und dir? [13:05] auch gut, danke ;-) [13:05] hey kenvandine [13:05] hey seb128 [13:05] hey kenvandine [13:06] kenvandine: ooh -- you are someone who could review/approve https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/notify-osd/fix-autopkgtest/+merge/219293 (which is trivial and has been lingering for 3 months) [13:06] kenvandine: *batting eyelashes* [13:07] pitti, done [13:08] :) [13:08] pitti, feel free to do a land for it (or I can do one for you if you want) [13:08] speaking of landing [13:08] kenvandine, I would like to do an u-s-s one today, we have a few nice fixes there [13:08] do you have anything else you want to get lined up for it? [13:08] seb128, planning to [13:08] seb128: if it's not too much trouble for you? landing process has changed 5 times since my training, and I haven't actually done any [13:08] seb128, i think so [13:08] pitti, k, doing it [13:08] i need to check fixes from jgdx first [13:09] k [13:09] seb128: or, if you have a pointer to docs and some minutes to hand-hold me, I'm also willing to learn [13:09] kenvandine, you handle the landing for u-s-s then? [13:09] pitti, that works too [13:11] seb128, will do [13:11] pitti, I don't know if there is documentation on how to do landings :/ [13:12] pitti, but it's basically "add a line to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain" (which is self explanatory mostly) [13:12] pitti, then drive things from http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ [13:13] kenvandine, thanks [13:13] pitti, want to do the notify-osd one together? [13:13] seb128: sure, thanks! [13:13] seb128: who is the "lander"? [13:13] pitti, you [13:14] whoever does the landing/clicking on buttons [13:14] pitti, you can skip comments if you don't have any [13:15] pitti, I don't think notify-osd has a testplan, you can write something like "restart an unity desktop session and check that notifications are still working" [13:15] seb128: you can see me typing? [13:15] pitti, not typing, but once you validate an entry I see it [13:15] I also see on which one you are [13:15] seb128: I'm adding line 36 [13:15] right [13:15] seb128: "QA signoff needed" -> ? [13:15] pitti, so you don't need qa signoff for a small change like that [13:16] that's usually when you have disruptive changes and want QA to run the tests for you as well [13:16] seb128: MP following guidelines -> which guidelines? [13:16] it has a commit message, signoff from jenkins, but not much else [13:16] the ones for the projects, I don't think notify-osd has somes [13:16] just put "yes" ;-) [13:17] seb128: ok, let me quickly re-run this, as it's already three months old [13:17] ok [13:17] pitti, do you have access to the "landing team tools" menu on the gdoc page? [13:18] seb128: sorry, can't see where this is? [13:18] pitti, if you have it, after "help" in the gdoc menubar [13:18] seb128: sorry, are we talkign about the landing sheet here? [13:19] yes [13:19] but that might be a group where sil2100 needs to add you (from memory) [13:19] since sil2100 is away for a while I can do that action for you now, and we can have him adding you when he's back [13:20] "Find" doesn't find anything related to "Help" except comments from unity8 landingd [13:21] meh, the tests fail now [13:21] yay for stalling test fixes for 3 months [13:21] it's still a correct change of course, but apparently not sufficient any more [13:21] pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/landing.png [13:22] pitti, easier to explain with a screenshot :p [13:22] seb128: ah, I do have that [13:22] k [13:22] pitti, you have "assign to silo" in it? [13:22] yes [13:22] k [13:22] so you have access [13:23] but need to fix the mp first [13:28] looky what I got: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--AZ0v-MtSIg/U_NQrbVIIxI/AAAAAAAAH0Y/j65hOUlBvAo/w1207-h905-no/IMG_0626.JPG [13:29] willcooke, nice [13:29] nice [13:29] First things first, take it apart [13:29] you got a new disk to put in there? [13:30] yeah, bought a cheapo 64GB SS [13:30] D [13:30] that's going to make the machine nicer to user [13:30] -r [13:30] So far, I'm loving the form factor and the touch screen [13:31] yeah, that laptop is quite nice [13:32] not too heavy, nice materials [13:32] you also easily get used to tap the screen to click on buttons ;-) [13:36] pitti, sorry about the mp status change spam, tried to get the ui to display the current revision as approved, I think I got it [13:37] seb128: ok, fixed now, MP updated and tested in both failing (for showing the log) and succeeding case; I set "testing pass" to Yes now [13:37] seb128: thanks [13:38] pitti, ok, so now you can go to the gdoc, select your line and use the landing tool -> assign to silo item [13:38] seb128: I suppose request ID and assigned silo get auto-generated? [13:38] "This app needs authorization to run. [13:38] yes [13:39] ok, it didn't complain [13:39] but also didn't apparently do anything to my line [13:39] blerk, why doesn't this monitor turn on? [13:40] pitti, the sync takes some time, did it open a jenkins page or something? [13:40] willcooke: ahhhhh my eyes kill it, kill it with fire ;) Nice laptop though you might need to improve the os a bit though :) [13:40] seb128: no, just the google auth, then got me back to the gdoc [13:40] pitti, hum, can you try again? [13:40] the first auth often doesn't work [13:40] the first operation after authenticating* [13:40] seb128: ah, now I get a box "Reconfigure row 36 in an Existing Silo" [13:41] pitti, oh, so it probably worked previous time [13:41] davmor2, :DD [13:41] seb128: ack, after "Proceed" now I got a jenkins page [13:41] davmor2, it's ok, the back is off now [13:41] seb128: I'm on https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/ [13:41] pitti, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/1465/console [13:41] pitti, suggest it went wrong [13:41] pitti, did you pick "assign silo"? [13:42] seb128: yes, but pehaps it conflicted with the previous failed one? [13:42] what Laney said [13:42] pitti, that's weird, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/ has no recent job before the failing one [13:43] pitti, delete the request id and try again? [13:43] "Assign row 36 to a New Silo" [13:43] ah, that sounds better [13:43] indeed [13:43] " Assign a silo with preproduction CI Train code. " [13:43] do I want that? [13:44] where is that option? [13:44] don't change any default [13:44] just click through? [13:45] seb128: http://picpaste.com/silo.png [13:45] no [13:45] just click the blue label [13:45] https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/1466/console [13:45] good [13:45] you got silo 018 [13:46] pitti, you can use http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=notify now [13:46] pitti, go there and click "build" [13:46] seb128: ah, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ updated now [13:46] pitti, that brings you to a jenkins page, no box to check, just click the button [13:47] seb128: OOI, where do I get that link? [13:47] pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=notify [13:47] pitti, you have a row with red labels [13:47] those are links [13:47] 018 ppa ... [13:47] "Build" in that line [13:47] building [13:48] pitti, good, now you need to wait for the build to be done, switch the "testing" case in the gdoc to yes and then you can click "publish" to upload to distro [13:48] * Laney cries [13:48] pitti, then "clean" once it migrated in release [13:48] seb128: ack [13:48] seb128: merci beaucoup pour ton aide ! [13:48] Laney, what's the issue? [13:48] pitti, de rien ! [13:49] dead monitor [13:49] :-( [13:50] tried swapping kettle lead, no luck [13:50] GOD [13:50] :( [13:50] * Laney flips the desk [13:50] Laney, got a big TV you could use for now? [13:51] I have two monitors anyway [13:51] but that is inhumane :P [13:51] How old is it? [13:51] erm [13:52] I would say 6-7 years [13:52] Laney, it had a good innings :) [13:52] "it had a good life" [13:52] Laney: if you can't answer that straight away it's too old :D [13:52] * Laney steals davmor2's gear [13:52] you're away from home anyway :D [13:53] No I'm not [13:53] oh shit /me runs [13:54] * davmor2 ties Laney to a chair and reads Vogon Poetry to him for hours [13:55] * Laney exits through the airlock [13:56] * willcooke is running out of limbs. [13:56] How am going to operate my digital watch now? [13:58] hey Laney, what's the right way to conditionally install a file based on debian v. ubuntu? [13:58] willcooke, get rid of it ... use an ubuntu phone [13:58] hello attente_ [13:58] you can test dpkg-vendor --derives-from Ubuntu in debian/rules [13:58] * willcooke still thinks digital watches are a pretty neat idea [13:58] I would try to avoid doing this if you can though [13:58] ogra_: it's a watch, willcooke will probably want to tell the time on it [13:59] davmor2, details :P [13:59] Laney, sorry, can't figure out a way around it :( [13:59] sheeeesh. Startup disk creator is not good [13:59] * popey hugs his Casio F-91W [14:00] willcooke, but digital watches are so big ! http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Bruegmann-Digital-Roehren-Clock/Digital-Roehrenuhr.htm [14:00] oooh! Filth :) [14:00] :) [14:01] ogra_: a pretty important detail to be fair ;) [14:02] heh, just a small one [14:03] sigh [14:03] going to reboot [14:06] start up disk creator hosed my machine [14:09] screw this [14:10] I'm using dd [14:10] willcooke: what did you do? [14:10] tried to use it [14:10] yeah, dont do that :P [14:11] every time I try and erase a USB HDD it falls over and leaves loads of umount processes running [14:11] then it moans about dbus timeouts [14:11] yeah, usb-creator is buggy :/ [14:11] and how :D [14:12] now I have defunt umount processes [14:12] so I will reboot again and then just use dd [14:14] try "Disks" first [14:14] I would like to spend some time on usb-creator [14:14] just drop it and write a UI for dd :) [14:15] disks works fine [14:15] and we preinstall it [14:15] that's what I usually use to put isos on usb keys [14:15] oh, as dd fronted ? [14:15] * ogra_ didnt know it can do that [14:16] seb128, Laney - use "restore an image" in disks? [14:16] robru: What arch are you using? Is it utopic? [14:16] ya [14:17] pitti: i'll do that today [14:17] pitti, you can publish notify-osd if you want [14:19] sigh [14:20] here we go again [14:22] maybe this free USB keyring I got is the problem :) [14:24] gnome-disks[2776]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fa6abfdef7f sp 00007fff9da2ce70 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.4000.0[7fa6abeff000+16b000] [14:24] urg [14:25] replaced the USB stick with a branded one, and now we're getting somewhere [14:25] disks ftw [14:26] much easier [14:26] yeah [14:26] we should make the startup-disk-creator just open disks at the right page ;) [14:26] +1 [14:26] :) [14:26] pitti, seems like Mirv published it for you === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:29] o/ [14:30] seb128: je suis retour à maison maintenant [14:30] seb128: ah, good; thanks Mirv, I was about to give them a quick test on my laptop, but so much the better :) [14:31]