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ubottusamthewildone called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()01:13
phunyguyI could've sworn I've seen him do that before....01:25
SamwiseGamgeeCan you send me a link that explains the whole conference process, and how it works?02:14
hggdhSamwiseGamgee: I am sorry, but what conference is this?02:16
SamwiseGamgeethe monthy conference that happens every third Wednesday of the month02:17
hggdhit is not a conference, it is a meeting02:18
SamwiseGamgeein which channel does the meeting take place?02:18
hggdhusually in #ubuntu-meetings. But I am not sure we will have one this month02:19
hggdhSamwiseGamgee: what drives you to the meeting?02:19
SamwiseGamgeeit would be August 2002:20
SamwiseGamgeeBan appeal02:20
hggdhSamwiseGamgee: I already answered you on both emails. Perhaps your spam filters are overly active?02:20
SamwiseGamgeerww told me to email the council again since they did not respond to my August 12 formal letter02:21
hggdhsee above02:21
SamwiseGamgeedid you send it to my Yahoo email or my hotmail email?02:21
hggdhI replied to all. Frankly I did not look at the email addresses02:22
SamwiseGamgeeI sent the formal ban appeal using my Yahoo email, and I received no response02:22
SamwiseGamgeeI sent it on August 1202:22
hggdhI know. I replied to it. And to the one from Aug 6th02:22
hggdhI can even forward my responses again to you, if you want it.02:24
SamwiseGamgeeyes, good idea02:24
SamwiseGamgeehold on02:24
SamwiseGamgeeLet me send you my Hotmail address, first02:24
hggdhI have in the email from Aug 12th02:24
SamwiseGamgeeI tried private messaging you hggdh02:25
SamwiseGamgeeso I can give you my hotmail address02:25
SamwiseGamgeeit did not work02:26
bazhangSanuraiRM, did you need some help here07:23
SanuraiRMyes i banned on xubuntu07:24
bazhangSanuraiRM, yes, that's correct; for using bad language and being offtopic07:24
ikoniahas anyone had any chance to talk to the #ubuntu-it ops ?08:00
bazhangr w w pinged them at one point08:05
ikoniasuper08:05
bazhangthe feeling I got was they dont want him back anytime soon08:06
bazhangif you witnessed his behavior in #x, you might get why08:06
ikoniayes, but then he appears to behave fine in #ubuntu, but his english is not good enough to really get him any worthwhile help08:07
ikoniaso he can behave08:07
bazhangthen he starts in with the f-bombs08:08
bazhang<_nedR> Beldar, Also i have this ridiculous plan to bring my gpu back to life using ovenbaking technique i found over the internet.. Its seems very legit08:13
bazhangrly?08:13
DJonesbazhang: I have heard of that before, http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/293183-33-baking-graphics-card-oven08:15
bazhangDJones, nice catch!08:15
DJonesFrom the text "Basically what this does is that it re-melts all the soldering points on the card which fixes the micro cracks when it cools down. The PCB has a lot higher melting point than the solder, and the short 10mins isn't enough to melt the plastic bits such as display ports etc."08:16
DJonesNot that I'd try it, I'd just replace the card08:16
bazhangof course08:16
SamwiseGamgeeI have been trying to access the irc logs since August 12 both internally and externally, and all my attempts have been unsuccessful.  I have also emailed the council about it and the link they sent me did not work either08:21
ikoniathe link works fine08:21
ikoniawhat link are you using08:21
ikoniayou've been given the link at least 10 times, but I've never seen you actually quote it back correctly08:22
ikoniaso what link are you using08:22
SamwiseGamgeeirclogs.ubuntu.com08:22
ikoniathat link works fine08:22
ikoniaI've just checked it, it is up08:22
SamwiseGamgeeNo, I found two problems with both the text and the html logs, both for August 1208:23
ikoniayou've not08:23
ikoniathe logs are fine08:23
ikoniashow me the link to the file you think has a problem08:23
k1lSamwiseGamgee: back then you were linking the w rong channel.08:23
SamwiseGamgeehttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/11/%23xubuntu.txt08:24
SamwiseGamgeenote it should be August 1208:24
ikoniait is08:24
k1lits the 11th08:24
ikoniayou're linking to the 1108:24
SamwiseGamgeeI need the irc logs for August 12 for the #ubuntu room and for the #xubuntu room08:24
ikoniaso go to the 1208:24
SamwiseGamgeeI did, and that's what I got08:25
DJonesSamwiseGamgee: Change the /2014/08/11/ to /2014/08/12/ to give you http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/12/%23xubuntu.txt08:25
DJonesThats will give you the 12th of the month08:25
DJonesIf you need logs for other channels on 12th August, you will find them at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/12/08:26
SamwiseGamgeethat is better, thanks08:27
SamwiseGamgeeDo you have th links for August 11, for the same rooms?08:28
ikoniacome on !08:28
SamwiseGamgeethe #ubuntu and the #xubuntu rooms08:28
DJonesJust change the 12 in the link to 1108:28
ikoniayou've just been shown how to use this08:28
ikoniayou've had this explained to you at least 10 times now08:28
SamwiseGamgeeok, I'll try it again08:28
SamwiseGamgeeI was banned by ikonia circa 12:01 am Central Standard time on 12 August 2014, from both the #ubuntu and the #xubuntu channels, and I remember well that it happened, but I can find no evidence that I was in those rooms and actually banned.08:36
SamwiseGamgeeI had texted several messages in those channels that night, and it's not in the irc logs.08:38
SamwiseGamgeeis this because I am not an ubuntu operator?  May be only the operators get full access to the irc logs.  That may explain why there appears to be some much missing text08:39
k1lSamwiseGamgee: that is just not true. the logs are correct you just need to sort out yourselv to look at the right logs. actually you are linking the wrong logs since days now and we explained you several times how to use the correct one. it is up to you now to sort that out08:40
SamwiseGamgeeok, I have been trying for 7 days now, I will keep trying, thanks for trying to help, anyway08:40
ikoniaSamwiseGamgee: can I query why you keep pushing these logs ?08:53
ikoniaSamwiseGamgee: you seem very keen/single minded over the logs, which have already been reviewed/discussed08:53
SamwiseGamgeebecause of the email I received08:54
SamwiseGamgeefrom the council08:54
ikoniaok08:54
ikoniaSamwiseGamgee: are you "ok" ? and have all the info you need now ?09:01
SamwiseGamgeeNo, but I found the full logs, so I have a lot of reading to do09:02
ikoniawhat else do you need ?09:02
ikonia(or what else do you need from the operator team)09:02
SamwiseGamgeebazhang was very helpful09:02
ikoniaas normal09:02
ikoniawhat else are you missing / need from the team ?09:02
bazhangabby normal09:02
SamwiseGamgeeikonia, I think you banned me from the #ubuntu room circa 1:00 a.m. on August 12 central standard time, is that remotely correct, or did I get the time wrong?09:07
ikoniaI have no idea of the times off the top of my head09:08
ikoniaone moment and I'll get them for you09:08
SamwiseGamgeethen you banned me from the #xubuntu room, some time around 1:15 a.m., on the same morning 12 August 2014, central standard time, is that correct?09:09
ikoniaonly a few minutes after yes, but I'll get the times for you09:09
ikoniajust hold on a moment09:09
SamwiseGamgeeI would certainly appreciate that, ikonia09:09
SamwiseGamgeethanks for your patience, ikonia09:09
ikoniaAug 12 2014 07:49:2709:10
ikoniado you have the logs of you trolling #freenode making up false stuff09:10
ikoniaeg stating that I'd banned you for life etc09:10
ikoniado you want me to provide those logs for you so you can include thhem in your conversations with the council ?09:10
ikoniaor have you not mentioned that yet ?09:10
SamwiseGamgeeIt would be importunate of me to go beyond discussing the irc logs at this point09:11
Tm_TI wonder why this conversation is still going on09:11
ikoniayes, I have the irc logs of your behaviour where you make up false stuff09:11
ikoniaI just wondered if you have the logs of that to include in your discussion ?09:11
Tm_TI believe there were quite decisive answer to SamwiseGamgee09:11
SamwiseGamgeethank you for giving me the ban time, ikonia09:11
Tm_Tanswers even09:11
ikoniaTm_T: it's going on because it continues in a loop and is persistantly entertained09:12
ikoniadespite the information being shared many times09:12
ikonia and rather than just say "enough - you have had your response" we have to continue to do time wasting excersise or we are called dissmissive or unhelpful or various other failures09:13
Tm_TSamwiseGamgee (and somewhat also ikonia): let's continue the discussion when you have something new to provide to it IF you will have anything new to be provided at some point09:14
Tm_Tit's rather pointless to drag it along at this point like this09:14
SamwiseGamgeeok09:14
ikoniaTm_T: I have nothing new to provide - I have stated multiple times I am happy for the ban to be removed once IRC is used iniline with how others expect it to be used, eg: an online interactive resource, rather than an offline meta question service09:15
ikoniaI have no changed that view or made any changes to that despite the utter lies been pushed around09:15
solitaireI'm just curious09:17
solitaireanyone have any idea when or why I was banned from #ubuntu ?09:17
SamwiseGamgeeI am sorry that I broke the guidelines and the email I received from the council convinced me it is unreasonable to ask ikonia to apologize09:17
Tm_TSamwiseGamgee: could you please leave the channel in the meantime?09:17
SamwiseGamgeeok09:17
solitaireI think I was banned a long time ago and I honestly can't remember why09:17
k1lsolitaire: you were trolling #ubuntu on 29.09.201309:20
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solitaireoh09:20
solitairecould I have a log excerpt?09:20
k1l!logs09:20
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too.09:20
solitairek09:20
solitaireoh I remember that09:21
solitairethanks09:21
k1lsolitaire: if thats all please dont idle in this channel. thanks09:27
solitaireoh right sorry09:27
popeythe !adlens factiod seems problematic11:49
popeyit states "places like Amazon" yet the amazon search was switched off months ago.11:50
ikoniapopey: thats something I've just noticed11:50
popeyalso calling it "adlens" seems pejorative11:50
popeymight as well call it !spyware and be done with it11:50
ikoniaalthough places "like" amazon is still valid as it does search places like amazon11:50
ikoniawhat is the name of the package ?11:50
popeyso call it "places like ebay"11:50
popeywhat package?11:51
ikoniathe lens one11:51
ikoniadidn't it used to be called adlens or something like that11:51
popeyno11:51
popeyit used to be unity-lens-shopping but hasn't been for a while now11:51
ikoniaI thought that's where the name came from11:52
ikoniaah that may be it11:52
ikoniaI guess just write up a new one11:52
ikoniait is old, so I'm sure it's just not been updated as things have changed11:53
popeyi thought it was changed recently when the irc council did a sweep of them11:54
popeyi certainly only noticed the "adlens" name recently11:54
ikoniaI don't remember that one being in the list, but I dont know for sure11:54
ikoniaI remember it as adlens for a long time11:54
ikoniaI don't think that's new at all11:54
ikonia(unless it was an alias to something else)11:54
ikoniaI don't see a problem with the name personally, but if there is better content, that would be most welcome11:55
popeyok11:57
ikonia(I wasn't saying don't change the name either)11:57
ikoniaI just didn't see an issue with it11:57
ikoniaa better update of any sort would be cool11:57
ikoniasomething linking to a factual summary wiki page type thing listing exactly what it does search/submit to where and how11:58
ikoniathat would be really useful to stop the unknown questions11:58
ikoniainfact that would be REALLY useful11:59
ikoniapopey: is something like that possible (I'll assist where I can)12:00
popey"If you do not wish to see "More Suggestions" from the Internet in your Unity Dash then switch it off in System Settings -> Security & Privacy -> Search. Some technical information about the feature can be found at http://tinyurl.com/8khueko & http://tinyurl.com/cxv4sus"12:01
popeyhows that?12:01
ikoniadoesn't look badly worded at all12:02
ikoniagetting a wiki type page of what it searched/submitted how/when would be good12:02
ikoniaI didn't see it including in those blog posts I scanned,12:02
ikoniabut something on the official wiki would stop a lot of questions12:02
ikoniawould stop a lot of the "proabably" questions/statements12:03
popeyI dont think such a page exists12:03
ikoniaeven if you spell it rirght12:03
ikoniapopey: exactly, it would be cool to get one12:03
ikoniaget solid factual information and share it12:03
popeyif it did, it would probably be a copy/paste of those two blog posts12:03
popeywhich are factual12:03
ikoniaI didn't see anything skimming about about which resources it will read/submit to and how/when it submits12:04
ikonialet me have a proper look12:04
popeyif you have a list of questions I can probably (at low priority) find answers to them and we can put that on the wiki12:05
ikoniaMarks blog seems a little dated12:05
ikoniamaybe we can write something a bit better than that using it as a base12:05
popeywell the feature hasn't been touched since then12:05
popeyso it's not like there's "newer" info about it12:05
ikoniapopey: dead easy, what external resources are searched/have data submitted to them, and what triggers the search/submission, how is the data submitted12:06
popey(other than disabling amazon IMO)12:06
ikoniaif we could get factual info on that that is current I'd be happy to write it up12:06
ikoniaand use Jono and Marks blog to fill it out too12:06
ikoniathe questions aren't as frequent as they used to be but when they are asked there is a lot of "shouldn't do" or "I don't think so" type responses12:07
ikoniaso if we could get something solid and re-word the factoid as youv'e suggested that would be a solid update12:07
popeylets start an etherpad to work on it http://pad.ubuntu.com/UnityDashSearchFAQ12:07
ikoniaexcellent12:07
ikoniapopey: I'll start writing up a skel doc based on the pad12:40
ikoniawill that stay open until you close the pad12:40
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popeygreat12:50
popeyikonia: it'll stay open till someone deletes it12:50
ikonia@mark #ubuntu-offtopic meek_geek constantly trying to bring women/sexual content into non-relevent conversations12:51
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ikoniapopey: super thanks12:51
popeyikonia: I think I'm done with that etherpad, lemme know if you need more input13:49
ikoniapopey: let me have a read (not looked for a while)13:50
ikoniapopey: either way it's enough to keep me busy for a good few hours13:50
popeyhehe13:51
rwwpopey: "i thought it was changed recently when the irc council did a sweep of them" => my understanding is that the IRC Team sweep of factoids was of non-technical factoids (e.g. "here's how to ask a question" and such), so that would be why it was missed :)13:51
rwwthere would definitely be some merit to us pondering technical factoids too, but since there are so many of them I think we might just end up fixing them as we see them (like now)13:52
geniiikonia: I just got back to the computer and caught a "coffee" highlight in #u then had to go read all the backlog16:20
ikoniapeople are just rude16:20
geniiYes, unfortunately... so many uncivil types around.16:21
SamwiseGamgeeI sent two letters to the ubuntu irc council today.16:33
SamwiseGamgeethank you16:33
DJonesIs it worth still keeping #ubuntu-discuss open? Its not used apart from by what seems a mistake, I know the reasons behind the channel, but it doesn't seem to be used or known about (and we're not going to change the perceptions of Ubuntu users), maybe it needs to be forwarded to #u-ot17:05
DJonesOut the registered ops on the channel, it appears I'm the only one still active, Jussi01, Ubuntu council, lyz and Jordan_u and every Ubuntu member17:07
DJonesJussi, jordan_u and lyz appear to MIA17:08
DJonesIf I'm left as the sole active "op" for the channel, then please can the IRCC change the channel flags to forward to -ot or other channel as they feel necessary17:09
DJonesHmmh http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/ubuntu-mate-remix-course-become-official-flavour17:11
DJonesAnd yes popey has #ubuntu-mate registered17:13
OerHekshi foxynna is spamming in PM in #ubuntu.17:30
ubottuelichai2 called the ops in #ubuntu (foxynna)17:51
genii@comment 63652 Spamming in PM17:53
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OerHeksi think my message is not read ..17:53
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elkyi thought discuss was going to get traffic piped from dead discussion channels, eg, -marketing, -art, etc. and then build on that19:02
bazhangheads up on gatis19:54
bazhang<smitzer> i hate linux pinux. how can anyone use this crap20:09
ikoniajussi has changed countries and made a massive move, so I suspect it will take a while for him to get back on his feet20:22
geniiI miss him.20:32
k1l_the shutdown of 12.10 repos does bring up way more user that still use 12.10 than i thought21:42
geniik1l_: I find the same thing every time a release goes EOL. People tend to install whatever version is current between LTS then just not do-release-upgrade until apt complains the repos are gone21:47
k1l_i think for 12.10 is a different case since it was the last gnome2 one, iirc21:48
geniiHm, good point.21:48
valoriewell, now they'll have mate21:48
* valorie likes the latest, as long as it doesn't crash too often21:49
ubottuWizard called the ops in #kubuntu ()22:20
Mamarokwhy did that guy call for ops?22:27
Mamarokit's slightly offtopic, but nothing serious AFAICT22:28
Mamarokerm, valorie, I am an op as well...22:30
valorieof course!22:30
Mamarokyou are telling the exact same thing I already did22:30
valoriehe seemed a bit hard-of-hearing22:31
Mamarokwell, I don't see anywhere in the history where wizard did tell him he was offtopic, he just called the ops several times, not really helpful, that22:32
valorieI very much agree22:32
valoriecalling the ops without even telling a reason is not helpful22:33
* valorie goes off to run22:33
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Mamaroknot the brightest of the lot as it seems...22:44
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IdleOneubottu: ignore *!*@*75.144.181.1322:52
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phunyguyour buddy is back23:03
Flannelvalorie: I'm sure someone's already mentioned it, but looks like you're soliciting a whole bunch of people to move in to your neighborhood ;)23:28
phunyguyI am not sure gnome2 was in 12.10.... I thought that was 11.04 or 11.10....23:35
phunyguyand unity started in that timeframe as default...23:35
phunyguyk1l: you would time out as soon as I mention something about something you said.... :P23:37
phunyguyk1l: [19:35:36] <phunyguy> I am not sure gnome2 was in 12.10.... I thought that was 11.04 or 11.10....  [19:35:55] <phunyguy> and unity started in that timeframe as default...23:38
valorieFlannel: what?23:40
Flannelvalorie: You (well, an app on your phone, or whatever) sent an invitation email to loco-contacts and irc-team23:41
valorieomg23:41
Flannel(and probably other lists too) I'm glad you think we should move in next door, but doubt we'd all fit :)23:41
phunyguylol23:42
valorieactually, I was in the process of elimating all23:42
valoriebut I guess I will just cancel the effing thing23:42
valoriesuch language is not compatable with the community standards23:42
IdleOneI guess you don't like me enough to be your neighbor23:56
IdleOne:(23:56
valorieIdleOne: I would invite you only if you were my neighbor!23:57
valorieit feels bad being a spammer23:57
IdleOneit happens23:58
valoriedamn it23:58
IdleOnecould have been way worse23:58
valoriewell, thousands of email addresses, probably over 100 lists23:58
valoriegah23:58
IdleOneI mean the content23:58
valoriesure23:58
valorieah, dinner time23:59
valoriethat might make me feel better23:59
valorielater23:59

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