[01:25] <phunyguy> I could've sworn I've seen him do that before....
[02:14] <SamwiseGamgee> Can you send me a link that explains the whole conference process, and how it works?
[02:16] <hggdh> SamwiseGamgee: I am sorry, but what conference is this?
[02:17] <SamwiseGamgee> the monthy conference that happens every third Wednesday of the month
[02:18] <hggdh> it is not a conference, it is a meeting
[02:18] <SamwiseGamgee> in which channel does the meeting take place?
[02:19] <hggdh> usually in #ubuntu-meetings. But I am not sure we will have one this month
[02:19] <hggdh> SamwiseGamgee: what drives you to the meeting?
[02:20] <SamwiseGamgee> it would be August 20
[02:20] <SamwiseGamgee> Ban appeal
[02:20] <hggdh> SamwiseGamgee: I already answered you on both emails. Perhaps your spam filters are overly active?
[02:21] <SamwiseGamgee> rww told me to email the council again since they did not respond to my August 12 formal letter
[02:21] <hggdh> see above
[02:21] <SamwiseGamgee> did you send it to my Yahoo email or my hotmail email?
[02:22] <hggdh> I replied to all. Frankly I did not look at the email addresses
[02:22] <SamwiseGamgee> I sent the formal ban appeal using my Yahoo email, and I received no response
[02:22] <SamwiseGamgee> I sent it on August 12
[02:22] <hggdh> I know. I replied to it. And to the one from Aug 6th
[02:24] <hggdh> I can even forward my responses again to you, if you want it.
[02:24] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, good idea
[02:24] <SamwiseGamgee> hold on
[02:24] <SamwiseGamgee> Let me send you my Hotmail address, first
[02:24] <hggdh> I have in the email from Aug 12th
[02:25] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried private messaging you hggdh
[02:25] <SamwiseGamgee> so I can give you my hotmail address
[02:26] <SamwiseGamgee> it did not work
[07:23] <bazhang> SanuraiRM, did you need some help here
[07:24] <SanuraiRM> yes i banned on xubuntu
[07:24] <bazhang> SanuraiRM, yes, that's correct; for using bad language and being offtopic
[08:00] <ikonia> has anyone had any chance to talk to the #ubuntu-it ops ?
[08:05] <bazhang> r w w pinged them at one point
[08:05] <ikonia> super
[08:06] <bazhang> the feeling I got was they dont want him back anytime soon
[08:06] <bazhang> if you witnessed his behavior in #x, you might get why
[08:07] <ikonia> yes, but then he appears to behave fine in #ubuntu, but his english is not good enough to really get him any worthwhile help
[08:07] <ikonia> so he can behave
[08:08] <bazhang> then he starts in with the f-bombs
 Beldar, Also i have this ridiculous plan to bring my gpu back to life using ovenbaking technique i found over the internet.. Its seems very legit
[08:13] <bazhang> rly?
[08:15] <DJones> bazhang: I have heard of that before, http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/293183-33-baking-graphics-card-oven
[08:15] <bazhang> DJones, nice catch!
[08:16] <DJones> From the text "Basically what this does is that it re-melts all the soldering points on the card which fixes the micro cracks when it cools down. The PCB has a lot higher melting point than the solder, and the short 10mins isn't enough to melt the plastic bits such as display ports etc."
[08:16] <DJones> Not that I'd try it, I'd just replace the card
[08:16] <bazhang> of course
[08:21] <SamwiseGamgee> I have been trying to access the irc logs since August 12 both internally and externally, and all my attempts have been unsuccessful.  I have also emailed the council about it and the link they sent me did not work either
[08:21] <ikonia> the link works fine
[08:21] <ikonia> what link are you using
[08:22] <ikonia> you've been given the link at least 10 times, but I've never seen you actually quote it back correctly
[08:22] <ikonia> so what link are you using
[08:22] <SamwiseGamgee> irclogs.ubuntu.com
[08:22] <ikonia> that link works fine
[08:22] <ikonia> I've just checked it, it is up
[08:23] <SamwiseGamgee> No, I found two problems with both the text and the html logs, both for August 12
[08:23] <ikonia> you've not
[08:23] <ikonia> the logs are fine
[08:23] <ikonia> show me the link to the file you think has a problem
[08:23] <k1l> SamwiseGamgee: back then you were linking the w rong channel.
[08:24] <SamwiseGamgee> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/11/%23xubuntu.txt
[08:24] <SamwiseGamgee> note it should be August 12
[08:24] <ikonia> it is
[08:24] <k1l> its the 11th
[08:24] <ikonia> you're linking to the 11
[08:24] <SamwiseGamgee> I need the irc logs for August 12 for the #ubuntu room and for the #xubuntu room
[08:24] <ikonia> so go to the 12
[08:25] <SamwiseGamgee> I did, and that's what I got
[08:25] <DJones> SamwiseGamgee: Change the /2014/08/11/ to /2014/08/12/ to give you http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/12/%23xubuntu.txt
[08:25] <DJones> Thats will give you the 12th of the month
[08:26] <DJones> If you need logs for other channels on 12th August, you will find them at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/08/12/
[08:27] <SamwiseGamgee> that is better, thanks
[08:28] <SamwiseGamgee> Do you have th links for August 11, for the same rooms?
[08:28] <ikonia> come on !
[08:28] <SamwiseGamgee> the #ubuntu and the #xubuntu rooms
[08:28] <DJones> Just change the 12 in the link to 11
[08:28] <ikonia> you've just been shown how to use this
[08:28] <ikonia> you've had this explained to you at least 10 times now
[08:28] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, I'll try it again
[08:36] <SamwiseGamgee> I was banned by ikonia circa 12:01 am Central Standard time on 12 August 2014, from both the #ubuntu and the #xubuntu channels, and I remember well that it happened, but I can find no evidence that I was in those rooms and actually banned.
[08:38] <SamwiseGamgee> I had texted several messages in those channels that night, and it's not in the irc logs.
[08:39] <SamwiseGamgee> is this because I am not an ubuntu operator?  May be only the operators get full access to the irc logs.  That may explain why there appears to be some much missing text
[08:40] <k1l> SamwiseGamgee: that is just not true. the logs are correct you just need to sort out yourselv to look at the right logs. actually you are linking the wrong logs since days now and we explained you several times how to use the correct one. it is up to you now to sort that out
[08:40] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, I have been trying for 7 days now, I will keep trying, thanks for trying to help, anyway
[08:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: can I query why you keep pushing these logs ?
[08:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you seem very keen/single minded over the logs, which have already been reviewed/discussed
[08:54] <SamwiseGamgee> because of the email I received
[08:54] <SamwiseGamgee> from the council
[08:54] <ikonia> ok
[09:01] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: are you "ok" ? and have all the info you need now ?
[09:02] <SamwiseGamgee> No, but I found the full logs, so I have a lot of reading to do
[09:02] <ikonia> what else do you need ?
[09:02] <ikonia> (or what else do you need from the operator team)
[09:02] <SamwiseGamgee> bazhang was very helpful
[09:02] <ikonia> as normal
[09:02] <ikonia> what else are you missing / need from the team ?
[09:02] <bazhang> abby normal
[09:07] <SamwiseGamgee> ikonia, I think you banned me from the #ubuntu room circa 1:00 a.m. on August 12 central standard time, is that remotely correct, or did I get the time wrong?
[09:08] <ikonia> I have no idea of the times off the top of my head
[09:08] <ikonia> one moment and I'll get them for you
[09:09] <SamwiseGamgee> then you banned me from the #xubuntu room, some time around 1:15 a.m., on the same morning 12 August 2014, central standard time, is that correct?
[09:09] <ikonia> only a few minutes after yes, but I'll get the times for you
[09:09] <ikonia> just hold on a moment
[09:09] <SamwiseGamgee> I would certainly appreciate that, ikonia
[09:09] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for your patience, ikonia
[09:10] <ikonia> Aug 12 2014 07:49:27
[09:10] <ikonia> do you have the logs of you trolling #freenode making up false stuff
[09:10] <ikonia> eg stating that I'd banned you for life etc
[09:10] <ikonia> do you want me to provide those logs for you so you can include thhem in your conversations with the council ?
[09:10] <ikonia> or have you not mentioned that yet ?
[09:11] <SamwiseGamgee> It would be importunate of me to go beyond discussing the irc logs at this point
[09:11] <Tm_T> I wonder why this conversation is still going on
[09:11] <ikonia> yes, I have the irc logs of your behaviour where you make up false stuff
[09:11] <ikonia> I just wondered if you have the logs of that to include in your discussion ?
[09:11] <Tm_T> I believe there were quite decisive answer to SamwiseGamgee
[09:11] <SamwiseGamgee> thank you for giving me the ban time, ikonia
[09:11] <Tm_T> answers even
[09:12] <ikonia> Tm_T: it's going on because it continues in a loop and is persistantly entertained
[09:12] <ikonia> despite the information being shared many times
[09:13] <ikonia>  and rather than just say "enough - you have had your response" we have to continue to do time wasting excersise or we are called dissmissive or unhelpful or various other failures
[09:14] <Tm_T> SamwiseGamgee (and somewhat also ikonia): let's continue the discussion when you have something new to provide to it IF you will have anything new to be provided at some point
[09:14] <Tm_T> it's rather pointless to drag it along at this point like this
[09:14] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[09:15] <ikonia> Tm_T: I have nothing new to provide - I have stated multiple times I am happy for the ban to be removed once IRC is used iniline with how others expect it to be used, eg: an online interactive resource, rather than an offline meta question service
[09:15] <ikonia> I have no changed that view or made any changes to that despite the utter lies been pushed around
[09:17] <solitaire> I'm just curious
[09:17] <solitaire> anyone have any idea when or why I was banned from #ubuntu ?
[09:17] <SamwiseGamgee> I am sorry that I broke the guidelines and the email I received from the council convinced me it is unreasonable to ask ikonia to apologize
[09:17] <Tm_T> SamwiseGamgee: could you please leave the channel in the meantime?
[09:17] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[09:17] <solitaire> I think I was banned a long time ago and I honestly can't remember why
[09:20] <k1l> solitaire: you were trolling #ubuntu on 29.09.2013
[09:20] <solitaire> oh
[09:20] <solitaire> could I have a log excerpt?
[09:20] <k1l> !logs
[09:20] <solitaire> k
[09:21] <solitaire> oh I remember that
[09:21] <solitaire> thanks
[09:27] <k1l> solitaire: if thats all please dont idle in this channel. thanks
[09:27] <solitaire> oh right sorry
[11:49] <popey> the !adlens factiod seems problematic
[11:50] <popey> it states "places like Amazon" yet the amazon search was switched off months ago.
[11:50] <ikonia> popey: thats something I've just noticed
[11:50] <popey> also calling it "adlens" seems pejorative
[11:50] <popey> might as well call it !spyware and be done with it
[11:50] <ikonia> although places "like" amazon is still valid as it does search places like amazon
[11:50] <ikonia> what is the name of the package ?
[11:50] <popey> so call it "places like ebay"
[11:51] <popey> what package?
[11:51] <ikonia> the lens one
[11:51] <ikonia> didn't it used to be called adlens or something like that
[11:51] <popey> no
[11:51] <popey> it used to be unity-lens-shopping but hasn't been for a while now
[11:52] <ikonia> I thought that's where the name came from
[11:52] <ikonia> ah that may be it
[11:52] <ikonia> I guess just write up a new one
[11:53] <ikonia> it is old, so I'm sure it's just not been updated as things have changed
[11:54] <popey> i thought it was changed recently when the irc council did a sweep of them
[11:54] <popey> i certainly only noticed the "adlens" name recently
[11:54] <ikonia> I don't remember that one being in the list, but I dont know for sure
[11:54] <ikonia> I remember it as adlens for a long time
[11:54] <ikonia> I don't think that's new at all
[11:54] <ikonia> (unless it was an alias to something else)
[11:55] <ikonia> I don't see a problem with the name personally, but if there is better content, that would be most welcome
[11:57] <popey> ok
[11:57] <ikonia> (I wasn't saying don't change the name either)
[11:57] <ikonia> I just didn't see an issue with it
[11:57] <ikonia> a better update of any sort would be cool
[11:58] <ikonia> something linking to a factual summary wiki page type thing listing exactly what it does search/submit to where and how
[11:58] <ikonia> that would be really useful to stop the unknown questions
[11:59] <ikonia> infact that would be REALLY useful
[12:00] <ikonia> popey: is something like that possible (I'll assist where I can)
[12:01] <popey> "If you do not wish to see "More Suggestions" from the Internet in your Unity Dash then switch it off in System Settings -> Security & Privacy -> Search. Some technical information about the feature can be found at http://tinyurl.com/8khueko & http://tinyurl.com/cxv4sus"
[12:01] <popey> hows that?
[12:02] <ikonia> doesn't look badly worded at all
[12:02] <ikonia> getting a wiki type page of what it searched/submitted how/when would be good
[12:02] <ikonia> I didn't see it including in those blog posts I scanned,
[12:02] <ikonia> but something on the official wiki would stop a lot of questions
[12:03] <ikonia> would stop a lot of the "proabably" questions/statements
[12:03] <popey> I dont think such a page exists
[12:03] <ikonia> even if you spell it rirght
[12:03] <ikonia> popey: exactly, it would be cool to get one
[12:03] <ikonia> get solid factual information and share it
[12:03] <popey> if it did, it would probably be a copy/paste of those two blog posts
[12:03] <popey> which are factual
[12:04] <ikonia> I didn't see anything skimming about about which resources it will read/submit to and how/when it submits
[12:04] <ikonia> let me have a proper look
[12:05] <popey> if you have a list of questions I can probably (at low priority) find answers to them and we can put that on the wiki
[12:05] <ikonia> Marks blog seems a little dated
[12:05] <ikonia> maybe we can write something a bit better than that using it as a base
[12:05] <popey> well the feature hasn't been touched since then
[12:05] <popey> so it's not like there's "newer" info about it
[12:06] <ikonia> popey: dead easy, what external resources are searched/have data submitted to them, and what triggers the search/submission, how is the data submitted
[12:06] <popey> (other than disabling amazon IMO)
[12:06] <ikonia> if we could get factual info on that that is current I'd be happy to write it up
[12:06] <ikonia> and use Jono and Marks blog to fill it out too
[12:07] <ikonia> the questions aren't as frequent as they used to be but when they are asked there is a lot of "shouldn't do" or "I don't think so" type responses
[12:07] <ikonia> so if we could get something solid and re-word the factoid as youv'e suggested that would be a solid update
[12:07] <popey> lets start an etherpad to work on it http://pad.ubuntu.com/UnityDashSearchFAQ
[12:07] <ikonia> excellent
[12:40] <ikonia> popey: I'll start writing up a skel doc based on the pad
[12:40] <ikonia> will that stay open until you close the pad
[12:50] <popey> great
[12:50] <popey> ikonia: it'll stay open till someone deletes it
[12:51] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic meek_geek constantly trying to bring women/sexual content into non-relevent conversations
[12:51] <ikonia> popey: super thanks
[13:49] <popey> ikonia: I think I'm done with that etherpad, lemme know if you need more input
[13:50] <ikonia> popey: let me have a read (not looked for a while)
[13:50] <ikonia> popey: either way it's enough to keep me busy for a good few hours
[13:51] <popey> hehe
[13:51] <rww> popey: "i thought it was changed recently when the irc council did a sweep of them" => my understanding is that the IRC Team sweep of factoids was of non-technical factoids (e.g. "here's how to ask a question" and such), so that would be why it was missed :)
[13:52] <rww> there would definitely be some merit to us pondering technical factoids too, but since there are so many of them I think we might just end up fixing them as we see them (like now)
[16:20] <genii> ikonia: I just got back to the computer and caught a "coffee" highlight in #u then had to go read all the backlog
[16:20] <ikonia> people are just rude
[16:21] <genii> Yes, unfortunately... so many uncivil types around.
[16:33] <SamwiseGamgee> I sent two letters to the ubuntu irc council today.
[16:33] <SamwiseGamgee> thank you
[17:05] <DJones> Is it worth still keeping #ubuntu-discuss open? Its not used apart from by what seems a mistake, I know the reasons behind the channel, but it doesn't seem to be used or known about (and we're not going to change the perceptions of Ubuntu users), maybe it needs to be forwarded to #u-ot
[17:07] <DJones> Out the registered ops on the channel, it appears I'm the only one still active, Jussi01, Ubuntu council, lyz and Jordan_u and every Ubuntu member
[17:08] <DJones> Jussi, jordan_u and lyz appear to MIA
[17:09] <DJones> If I'm left as the sole active "op" for the channel, then please can the IRCC change the channel flags to forward to -ot or other channel as they feel necessary
[17:11] <DJones> Hmmh http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/ubuntu-mate-remix-course-become-official-flavour
[17:13] <DJones> And yes popey has #ubuntu-mate registered
[17:30] <OerHeks> hi foxynna is spamming in PM in #ubuntu.
[17:53] <genii> @comment 63652 Spamming in PM
[17:53] <OerHeks> i think my message is not read ..
[19:02] <elky> i thought discuss was going to get traffic piped from dead discussion channels, eg, -marketing, -art, etc. and then build on that
[19:54] <bazhang> heads up on gatis
 i hate linux pinux. how can anyone use this crap
[20:22] <ikonia> jussi has changed countries and made a massive move, so I suspect it will take a while for him to get back on his feet
[20:32] <genii> I miss him.
[21:42] <k1l_> the shutdown of 12.10 repos does bring up way more user that still use 12.10 than i thought
[21:47] <genii> k1l_: I find the same thing every time a release goes EOL. People tend to install whatever version is current between LTS then just not do-release-upgrade until apt complains the repos are gone
[21:48] <k1l_> i think for 12.10 is a different case since it was the last gnome2 one, iirc
[21:48] <genii> Hm, good point.
[21:48] <valorie> well, now they'll have mate
[21:49]  * valorie likes the latest, as long as it doesn't crash too often
[22:27] <Mamarok> why did that guy call for ops?
[22:28] <Mamarok> it's slightly offtopic, but nothing serious AFAICT
[22:30] <Mamarok> erm, valorie, I am an op as well...
[22:30] <valorie> of course!
[22:30] <Mamarok> you are telling the exact same thing I already did
[22:31] <valorie> he seemed a bit hard-of-hearing
[22:32] <Mamarok> well, I don't see anywhere in the history where wizard did tell him he was offtopic, he just called the ops several times, not really helpful, that
[22:32] <valorie> I very much agree
[22:33] <valorie> calling the ops without even telling a reason is not helpful
[22:33]  * valorie goes off to run
[22:39] <SelenaG> !ops | repent or perish
[22:39] <SelenaG> !staff
[22:40] <SelenaG> !ops
[22:43] <SelenaG> !ops
[22:43] <SelenaG> !ops
[22:44] <Mamarok> not the brightest of the lot as it seems...
[22:44] <SelenaG> -_-\
[22:44] <SelenaG> !ops
[22:52] <IdleOne> ubottu: ignore *!*@*75.144.181.13
[23:03] <phunyguy> our buddy is back
[23:28] <Flannel> valorie: I'm sure someone's already mentioned it, but looks like you're soliciting a whole bunch of people to move in to your neighborhood ;)
[23:35] <phunyguy> I am not sure gnome2 was in 12.10.... I thought that was 11.04 or 11.10....
[23:35] <phunyguy> and unity started in that timeframe as default...
[23:37] <phunyguy> k1l: you would time out as soon as I mention something about something you said.... :P
[23:38] <phunyguy> k1l: [19:35:36] <phunyguy> I am not sure gnome2 was in 12.10.... I thought that was 11.04 or 11.10....  [19:35:55] <phunyguy> and unity started in that timeframe as default...
[23:40] <valorie> Flannel: what?
[23:41] <Flannel> valorie: You (well, an app on your phone, or whatever) sent an invitation email to loco-contacts and irc-team
[23:41] <valorie> omg
[23:41] <Flannel> (and probably other lists too) I'm glad you think we should move in next door, but doubt we'd all fit :)
[23:42] <phunyguy> lol
[23:42] <valorie> actually, I was in the process of elimating all
[23:42] <valorie> but I guess I will just cancel the effing thing
[23:42] <valorie> such language is not compatable with the community standards
[23:56] <IdleOne> I guess you don't like me enough to be your neighbor
[23:56] <IdleOne> :(
[23:57] <valorie> IdleOne: I would invite you only if you were my neighbor!
[23:57] <valorie> it feels bad being a spammer
[23:58] <IdleOne> it happens
[23:58] <valorie> damn it
[23:58] <IdleOne> could have been way worse
[23:58] <valorie> well, thousands of email addresses, probably over 100 lists
[23:58] <valorie> gah
[23:58] <IdleOne> I mean the content
[23:58] <valorie> sure
[23:59] <valorie> ah, dinner time
[23:59] <valorie> that might make me feel better
[23:59] <valorie> later