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daftykinsah i thought i saw you had been asked to pop it on before00:00
Azelphur[ 1037.393237] sr0: unsupported sector size -687980545.00:00
Andrew_Suggestion?00:00
Azelphurwat00:00
AzelphurAndrew_: wait, are you sure that's a DVD drive?00:01
Azelphurdmesg is saying it's a CD drive00:01
Azelphuroh no, I see where it says it's a DVD drive now00:01
Azelphurignore me ;)00:01
daftykinsso we've got 4 devices from what i see, 160GB seagate sda00:01
Andrew_my HD00:02
daftykinsa TEAC memory card reader00:02
Andrew_I do not use it.00:02
Andrew_The card reader, I mean.00:02
daftykinsHL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H31N B11000:02
daftykinsthat's the optical yip00:02
Andrew_Yes.00:02
Andrew_Yes.00:02
Andrew_Shows no media no matter what I place in it.00:03
Azelphurdaftykins: I noticed this line too: sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 500:03
daftykinslaptop or desktop?00:03
Azelphurdoes that mean we should be mounting sg1 and not sr0?00:03
daftykinsAzelphur: which # sir?00:03
Azelphurdaftykins: 67900:03
Andrew_Inspiron 531s desktop00:04
Andrew_stock00:04
daftykinsUDMA 100 is very odd for an optical 0o00:04
daftykinsAndrew_: this is totally stupid, but have you powered off then back on since the install?00:07
Andrew_Of the OS?00:07
daftykinsAzelphur: i really don't know if that's a corresponding device name00:07
daftykinsAndrew_: nah whole computer00:07
Andrew_Ubuntu was installed yesterday, and I have restarted many times.00:08
Andrew_I have been without troubles up to this point.00:08
daftykinsright but what about being off?00:08
Andrew_Yes, it has been powered down completely and for a few hours.00:08
daftykinscan you give me the service tag off the case?00:09
Andrew_Not without a great effort.00:09
daftykinshow's that? should be 7 characters long00:09
daftykinsyou can reboot and press F2 to enter BIOS and read it from there, to avoid the physical casing label00:10
Andrew_As in windows, is there a cmd/terminal command I can use?00:12
AzelphurAndrew_: try dmidecode -s system-serial-number00:12
Andrew_I am in the middle of a live session/data transfer and must maintain the connection until the upload is completed.00:13
Andrew_permission denied for that command00:14
AzelphurAndrew_: sudo dmidecode -s system-serial-number00:14
Andrew_4FWH7D100:15
daftykinsthere's no command in Windows to pull up a service tag 0o00:15
Azelphurdaftykins: ^00:15
daftykinsty00:15
Andrew_wmic csproduct get vendor,name,identifyingnumber00:15
Andrew_also, wmic /user:administrator /node:remote-host bios get serialnumber00:15
daftykinsoh, my bad00:16
daftykinsevidently my Windows admin'ing isn't as far along as yours :D00:16
daftykinsheh that thing came with Vista, no wonder you wanted off00:16
Andrew_You can understand why I feel useless at the moment.00:16
Andrew_Linux is making me feel so tiny and stupid.00:16
daftykinsok already latest BIOS, just for the fun of checking00:17
daftykinshaha, yeah i remember it did me too for a while00:17
daftykinshave you considered doing a free course? edx.org has the LFS101x right now00:17
daftykinsgives you a quick jump up for starter theory and general operation00:17
daftykinsit is a little dumbed down to be accessible, but is pretty good still00:17
Andrew_I may install a second HD and dual windows until I am able to figure out the issue with this disc drive.00:18
Andrew_Also, the moment I got this computer, I installed XP.00:19
Andrew_For the comment regarding vista.00:19
daftykinshe have you done practically every firmware update on that thing you can? seems that optical is already on the latest firmware too00:19
Andrew_I have, I believe.00:20
daftykins*heh00:20
daftykinsAzelphur: i'm beginning to think kernel, old nvidia chipset + SATA quirkiness00:20
AzelphurI see00:20
Andrew_Funny you would say that. I had just thought that there might be a sata incompatibily issue here.00:21
Andrew_I believe I am stumped for the night. I will read more forums and hope to find a solution/workaround.00:22
Andrew_Thank you all for trying to assist me.00:22
daftykinsAndrew_: what i would do is try booting a live USB session of 12.04.500:22
Andrew_An earlier version may yeild some result, yes.00:22
daftykinsstill long term support until 2017 too00:22
Andrew_I am aware that 14.04 is still buggy.00:22
daftykinsi would disagree with that statement, i think it's more on age right now00:23
daftykinsdo you have 2GB RAM + ?00:23
Andrew_I do not.00:23
daftykinsmore or less?00:23
Andrew_Less.00:23
daftykinsouch00:23
Andrew_1g00:23
Andrew_Yes.00:23
daftykinsyou may want to go with lubuntu or xubuntu00:24
daftykinslubuntu being the lightest but ugliest00:24
Andrew_I may use another system. I am uneasy about altering another machine. I opted to use this old dell as a test machine.00:24
Andrew_I have optimized my other systems on windows, but I will consider making a change. I am enjoying ubuntu, despite this one handup.00:25
Andrew_hangup*00:25
daftykinsi have a sony ultraportable running an intel core 2 duo with 2GB RAM and xubuntu 14.04, everything's ace :D00:25
daftykinsyeah optical is pretty... niche in my eyes now00:26
daftykinsanywho i'd be interested to see how you get on with precise (12.04.5)00:26
daftykinswould you like a download link before you go?00:26
Andrew_I will create a usb for it now.00:26
Andrew_I have the links, thank you.00:27
mapps;]00:27
Andrew_I will return and share my results later. Thank you all very much, again.00:27
daftykinsnp00:28
daftykinsgood luck00:28
daftykinshey mapps00:28
mappshey sup man00:28
daftykinsmmmm not much here sir, been listening to this Blade Runner soundtrack though, damn it's good00:30
daftykinsmapps: hey you hear about Aphex Twin new album this year?!00:30
mappsoh wow00:30
mappsno00:30
mappsgot a link?00:30
mappshe rarely releases anything00:30
mappsyou like aphex?00:30
daftykinsdamn straight, nah no links yet00:32
daftykinsthough apparently he had some TOR link on his twitter feed00:33
mapps:D00:35
mappslove heliosphan00:36
mappshmm01:40
mappscant connect to my pptp vpn pw01:40
mappsarghhhh01:40
daftykinsD:01:42
mappssilly pi keeps losing wifi01:46
mappstempted to format my netbook and put a fresh OS on..got win7 on atm..anyone got any suggestions for anythng else01:51
daftykinslubuntu01:54
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mappshow is everybody?06:02
GargoyleMornin'06:41
GargoyleGood thanks, mapps06:41
mappsrubbish weather ere again06:51
mapps:(06:51
GargoyleYeah. Getting cold. Might have to put the heating back on!06:59
mappsil be in sunny spain soon07:02
mapps:D07:02
mappsGoing to Latvia next week then Gibraltar / Spain for 6months07:03
mappswill be living in la linea de concepcion07:03
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mappshm07:57
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MooDoomorning all08:41
DJonesDay off?08:43
DJonesYou never seem to be on IRC with the new job, must be keeping you too busy, better ask for a pay rise already08:43
foobarrymapps: try elementary08:55
MooDooDJones: no i'm at work, yes i am on it less but still trying to get on once in a while :D08:58
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:07
davmor2MooDoo: slacker09:07
MooDoodavmor2: shut the heck up youth :)09:08
MooDoodavmor2: ps, hope you're well09:08
MooDoomorning brobostigon09:09
davmor2MooDoo: dude I'm only a year younger than you ;)   How's life, how's the new job?09:09
brobostigonmorning MooDoo09:10
MooDoodavmor2: It's all going ok, and it's fine thanks, learning a lot09:10
davmor2MooDoo: I thought they employed you because of what you knew not what you could learn ;)09:10
MyrttiI feel ancient in comparison to almost everyone09:10
MooDoodavmor2: I know how to make tea :D09:11
Myrtti(on IRC channels)09:11
MooDooMyrtti: you're a whipper snapper :D09:11
Myrttithe older I get the more convinced I am that age is a relative thing09:13
Myrttithis year marks my 20th anniversary online09:13
Myrttiin two years 20 years of IRC09:13
MooDooMyrtti: when you're my age, then you can start to worry just a little bit :D09:13
MyrttiMooDoo: wrinkle cream. I have it.09:14
DJonesMyrtti: MooDoo: kids today, always worrying about getting old09:14
MooDooMyrtti: aren't you only in your 20's ?09:14
MyrttiDJones: I don't actually worry about getting old. I worry about starting to look like my mum.09:14
DJonesI think there's only TheOpenSourcerer here thats older than me09:14
* awilkins is 4009:14
MyrttiMooDoo: 34 last week.09:15
MooDooMyrtti: ah that's nothing09:15
MooDooDJones: how old?09:15
DJones4709:15
DJones last week09:15
* zmoylan-pi is 4309:15
Myrtti\o/09:15
MyrttiMooDoo: well, it's past the magical age of "how old my mum was when she had me"09:15
MooDooDJones: happy birthday - belated09:15
* MooDoo is 42 :D09:16
Myrttiit's all relative, you see09:16
DJonesHmmh, MooDoo is the answer to life, the universe and everything09:16
MooDooyeah baby yeah09:16
popeymorning09:23
MooDoomorning popey09:24
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Laneyyou oldies!09:26
popeywhipper snapper09:26
popeyget off my lawn09:27
popeyetc09:27
davmor2Myrtti: see all the awesome people were born in August :)09:27
davmor2JamesTait: I think I missed your announcement of what day it was....What is today oh wise and internet calendared one?09:29
foobarrytalk about your age day?09:29
MooDoodavmor2: you mean april right?09:29
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Humanitarian Day! :-D09:30
JamesTaitdavmor2, you didn't miss it, I just hadn't done it yet. :)09:30
davmor2JamesTait: yay!09:30
JamesTaitdavmor2, it's also Photography Day and Aviation Day.09:31
foobarry\o/09:31
foobarrygood combo09:31
JamesTaitdavmor2, sounds like a day to take photographs of planes carrying people to humanitarian missions.09:31
davmor2JamesTait: I prefer the to latter ones :D09:31
davmor2MooDoo: sounds like a good excuse to get your camera out if ever there was one09:32
foobarryexcited for the wings and wheels show on sunday09:32
* JamesTait has he camera perched on his desk in front of him, just in case.09:32
awilkinsHumanitarian day on a day that police are using tear gas and sonic weapons on peaceful protesters in a futile attempt to cover up that one of their officers fucked up big time09:32
davmor2Myrtti: MooDoo doesn't think you are awesome don't take it personally, I think you are though :)09:33
awilkinsPardon my channel-inappropriate outburst of language09:33
foobarryi haven't been reading the news09:33
foobarrysounds like something happened09:33
foobarryno spoilers though ;)09:33
awilkinsTinfoil hat side of me is wondering if this is a test case of civil unrest to investigate how well the tactics work09:34
awilkinsWhoever signed off on the budgets for it must be utterly mental09:35
Myrttifoobarry: US police have again shown that they can use excessive force and pull the trigger09:35
awilkinsA week of that kind of police action, plus national guard, seems an awful lot more expensive than just arresting the idiot and starting proceedings against him09:35
MooDoodavmor2: Myrtti is awesome thank you very much :D09:37
JamesTait+109:37
davmor2MooDoo: yeah yeah yeah you said it dude don't try taking it back now ;)09:38
MooDoodavmor2: :p09:38
davmor2hahaha09:38
MooDoodavmor2: pa just got back from bakewell :D  had a great time  went to gullivers kingdom :D09:38
awilkinsBut the fact that they have built up that kind of arsenal? I don't understand how they could even think they would need it, unless they were planning for that kind of civil unrest... so why are they expecting it?09:39
davmor2MooDoo: just bought a caravan we are still getting used to it :)09:39
awilkinsI would not expect police to have that kind of arsenal, I would expect them to have basic defensive gear, but if it escalated that much to send for the National Guard.09:40
popeydavmor2: what kinda caravan?09:40
awilkinsNot that it has escalated that much, except on the police side.09:40
popeyis it static or mobile?09:40
davmor2popey: Tourer, 1999 Swift Classic Danette09:41
popeywith awning?09:42
popeyhttp://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/swift-danette-caravan-1994-5-berth/1077536477 like that one?09:42
davmor2popey: no we were in a trailer tent originally, but as my back and shoulder are slowly getting worse it was taking longer to recover from the setup.  which is being bent over pegging stuff in, so we want to avoid that completely09:43
popeyyeah, wise09:44
MooDoodavmor2: awesome :D09:45
davmor2popey: yeap that is ours,  the back seats turn into a double bed and can be sectioned off as a bedroom.  and then the rest of the caravan is just space to do stuff in :)09:45
DJonesdavmor2: Welcome to the ubuntu-uk-caravan-club :)09:45
zmoylan-pibunch of hippies, geeky hippies but still hippies :-)09:45
* awilkins secretly wants to live in an Earthship / Hobbit hole09:46
MooDooDJones: #ubuntu-uk-caravan-club ;)09:46
DJones:009:46
DJones:)09:46
awilkinsGrow my own veg. Brew my own drink.09:46
davmor2popey, MooDoo, DJones:  Next we want to move up to an Adria altea trent or an adria sportline up  same thing but with a bit more space and luxury09:46
zmoylan-pii want to live on a crannog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crannog09:46
awilkinsAs long as it has fibre.09:46
* DJones concrete's over awilkins hobbit hole and builds a multistory car park09:46
awilkinsI defy your intentions to pave my paradise and put up a parking lot.09:47
foobarrylooked away from my vsphereOS pc for one second and windows decided a reboot was neceesary for updates :(09:48
DJonesdavmor2: We've got a 2 berth at the moment, would like to replace that with a fixed bed 4 berth before next year, not really any preference on the make though as long as its under 1300kgs09:48
awilkins(ooooh, bop bop bop)09:48
davmor2DJones: same here the adria is nice though have a look the trent and up are similar layouts the up has some extras though both under 1300 as that's all our car can pull09:49
davmor2Anyone else going the the nec for the caravan and motorhome expo?09:49
shaunoI'm not sure they'd let me in, I'm only 30 ;)09:50
davmor2shauno: they'll let you in they just won't let you buy ;)09:51
zmoylan-pican you imagine the tents of the queue camping outside that! :-)09:52
MooDooshauno: confuse them all, grow a beard09:52
DJonesdavmor2: I like the Bailey fix bed vans09:53
foobarrywhat is the iU state in dpkg --list?10:00
shaunothe top two lines of the output should detail that?10:01
foobarry| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend10:01
foobarry|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)10:01
shaunoso iU is desired=Install, status=Unpacked  (unpacked but not configured)10:03
shaunoI'd assume that's the state when post-conf scripts break?10:04
foobarrythats bad, it was a kernel10:10
shaunomake sure /boot isn't full and try again?  (just dpkg-reconfigure package).  or just go straight to try again and pay attention to the output?10:11
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:22
foobarry ugh, i'd run out of inodes in /usr10:23
SuperMattyeesh, how much stuff have you installed?10:23
SuperMatthave you added all the ppas or something?10:24
awilkinsImpressed, unless you made a file system for /usr with non-default settings and that's biting you now :-)10:24
foobarryi had small /usr10:25
foobarryit is a vm server10:25
foobarrya server which is a vm,10:26
foobarryincreased /usr and off we go10:26
SuperMattwheeeee10:26
foobarryno space left on device always makes me think bytes rather than inodes10:27
foobarrygood invterview question10:27
shaunooddly, I tend to check the other way around.  no space left on device makes me check inodes because bytes free rarely sneaks up on me10:28
ali1234no space left on device always seems to be a show stopper in my experience10:29
ali1234ie if it happens it doesn't really matter why, you'll be rebuilding that server from backups10:29
foobarrylvm innit10:29
zmoylan-piit's extra fun when it hits zero and you don't even have space to delete things to make space :-)10:29
foobarryapt-get -f install and we're back in business10:29
ali1234yeah, if you can even log in10:30
ali1234why would you even put /usr on a different partition on a VM server?10:31
foobarryso i can still login if it fills up10:31
shaunoI rarely hit that.  my vps is a mailserver, so the liability is lots of small files (high inode usage).  but not owned by root, so root's 5% reservation saves lives10:32
ali1234 /var is always the one that gets full though10:32
foobarrynot today10:33
foobarryvar can stomp on / if all together though, yeah10:33
popeyeven more fun when your linux based phone runs out of space ☻10:37
MooDooraaaaaaaaaa bloomin awstats....10:38
MooDoosometimes i'm so dumb10:45
davmor2DJones: seriously have a look at the adrias you will be pleasantly surprised at the trent and up :)10:49
TheOpenSourcererYes DJones - I'm 49 currently.10:53
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: ubuntu uk 50th party? ;)10:55
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: man you're like the ancient and wise pepper monger10:57
TheOpenSourcererHmmm...10:57
DJonesTheOpenSourcerer: Right, I did think you were a year younger than that10:59
TheOpenSourcererI'd much rather be talking total non-PC, non CoC approved rubbish in my local for my 50th than an Ubuntu UK get together frankly. No offence ;-)10:59
MyrttiDJones: he's had a sneaky birthday since, probably10:59
TheOpenSourcererI have one every March oddly enough.10:59
zmoylan-piexcept next year when it won't be odd but even :-p11:02
knightwisei think its pretty safe to say that LXLE is one of the more under-appreciated spins on Ubuntu11:32
knightwisejust installed the 64 bit version on my Thinkpad an it runs like kittens on cocaine !11:32
dvrri am upgrading  packages  ubuntu 13.04   i faced some problem   please  open url  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8088016/11:32
zmoylan-pisplitters!11:32
knightwisehey zmoylan-pi11:38
knightwisehowzyou today11:38
Laney3.1415926535911:39
Laneythat's as much as i can remember11:39
knightwiseLaney: I would like a slice please11:39
Laneyi slice but the knife never seems to get to the end11:39
dvrrMooDoo11:40
knightwiseBliss !11:41
knightwiseScreens in portrait mode :)11:41
popeydvrr: sounds like bug 108348311:47
lubotu3bug 1083483 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "package libpulse0 1:2.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite shared '/etc/pulse/client.conf', which is different from other instances of package libpulse0:i386" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108348311:47
popeydvrr: looks like you have libpulse0:i386 and libpulse0:amd64 trying to co-exist11:47
zmoylan-pihey knightwise, was just off reading rss11:49
zmoylan-piancient tricorder :-) http://www.wired.com/2014/08/crazy-blowpipe-apparatus/11:50
dvrrpopey:  how can  i resolve  this problem11:57
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popeydvrr: I'd figure out why you have libpulse0:i386 installed12:19
popeyinterestingly on my 14.04 system I have both libpulse0:i386 and libpulse0:amd64 so it looks like it's fixed in later releases12:20
popeydvrr: you're on an unsupported version of Ubuntu (13.04) so chances are it won't get fixed, you'll need to either fix it by removing one of the two packages, or force install them or (preferably) upgrade to a newer release12:20
ali1234libpulse0:i386 is used by several proprietary applications - one is skype i think12:41
ali1234and yes this was a bug on 13.04, i remember being affected by it12:41
foobarryfinished my latest airfix kit but left the canopy in devon :( http://i.imgur.com/P9Z7jO7.jpg12:46
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awilkinsAirfix was something I never really got into as a kid because of the expense of buying all the paint13:00
popeytook my powerup3 to the park at the wekend13:01
popeyman that thing is hard to fly!13:01
popeypossibly too windy13:01
davmor2popey: that or your crap13:01
popeythat too13:01
davmor2you're even13:01
awilkinsMy girlfriend has a heap of unopened kits on a shelf in her boxroom and I feel the urge, as a nerdy man, to assemble them, but still balk at the cost of the paint13:01
foobarry:-|13:02
foobarrypaint is not that much13:02
foobarrythat kit i did mainly used 3 colours13:02
foobarrya red arrow uses.....1 colour13:02
awilkinsEmotional bias formed by childhood experience13:02
foobarry£1.50ish for a pot of humbrol. thats all u need13:03
foobarryawilkins: take a photo of the kits on the shelf pls :D13:03
awilkinsNext time I'm there13:03
foobarryit is the most enjoyable and relaxing of hobbies13:03
foobarryit really is rather inexpensive13:04
foobarryespecially if you're doing WWII RAF stuff. then its all sky/dark earth/green camo style13:04
shaunoyank ww2 stuff isn't bad either.  one can of spray silver goes a long way13:05
knightwisei was thinking of buying some star trek models13:06
knightwisethey have some great versions of the original enterprise ..13:06
knightwisebut i'm afraid I suck at stuff you have to glue together13:06
foobarryyeah. also check this vid for metalcote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9_Y7v0PXI13:06
foobarryknightwise: when was the last time you tried?13:07
knightwisewhen I was a teenager I think13:08
foobarryall the hormones react with the glue...try again :P13:08
knightwisehmm.. might be worth it13:08
knightwisewife buys me a lego kit from time to time :) keeps me busy for ages :)13:08
* knightwise has a small collection of lego star wars ships13:09
* foobarry has real star wars in the loft13:20
awilkinsBy "real" I presume you mean original figures, not the modern ones13:22
foobarryyep13:22
awilkinsDO you have a Boba Fett?13:22
foobarryand not made out of lego13:22
foobarryi have 2 boba fetts13:22
awilkinsWith launching rocket?13:22
foobarryone had chewing gum and a bit wobbly that i acquired in a swap. one is in better nick13:23
foobarryi don't think the launching rocket was on general release13:23
foobarryor so the episode of toy hunter told me13:23
foobarryi have yak face though.13:23
foobarryhe's prob worth around £7013:24
awilkinsWow, Rocket Firing Boba Fett : $16,00013:26
foobarrycheck youtube for the toy hunter episode13:26
foobarryalthough i hate that prog. its soo.....money oriented13:27
foobarryjames may could make an awesome english equivalent13:27
foobarryapparently kenner made them as sample but not sold due to risk of children and law suits13:29
* knightwise has a boba fett , in da box :) 13:30
knightwiseOldest action figure I have is from 7913:30
knightwiseI currently also have a T-interceptor from 81, with a pilot from 83 :)13:30
knightwiseawilkins: no rocket firing one. a re-issue :)13:30
foobarryi have battle damaged x-wing in box13:32
foobarryi played with them all but kept the boxes13:32
knightwiseeven boxes are worth something ç!13:32
knightwisehttps://www.flickr.com/photos/knightwise/13333634564/13:34
knightwisemy 81' T-interceptor13:34
foobarryhow much did u buy for13:35
knightwisefoobarry: i got it as a gift from the guy at the toy store (we have a retro toy store in gent we go to regularly)13:41
knightwisethe wings are glued on , so it isn't worth much anymore13:41
knightwisebut its still very cool13:41
knightwiseand this is te biggest T-wing I got to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-GFQtTrZAs (1 minute into the movie)13:42
knightwisesorry , 10 minutes in13:42
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foobarryjust realised the vulcan XH558 is flying on sunday too \o/15:34
zmoylan-pipopping back from a mission over iraq? :-p15:36
mappshm my pi wifi turns itself off:D15:47
zmoylan-pigoing undercover? power saving?15:47
mappsi think it must be the power saving15:48
mappsbut15:48
mappsit happens after like a few mins!!15:48
zmoylan-pitime it to see?15:50
mappsyea will do now15:51
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DJonespopey: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/ubuntu-mate-remix-course-become-official-flavour17:12
popeyDJones: ☻17:56
* smittix ties MooDoo's shoe laces together19:01
* SuperEngineer pushes19:06
* smittix laughs and runs away19:06
* zmoylan-pi places banana peels in smittix's path19:08
* smittix slips over in a cartoon fashion whilst crashing into zmoylan-pi 19:12
* SuperEngineer carefully places drawing pins around smittix's escape path19:16
* zmoylan-pi lands and yells and leaps off the drawing pins in a manner that has tom and jerrys animators reaching for the copyright lawyers phone number19:21
smittixheh19:25
* smittix sits up and waves19:25
* SuperEngineer drops cartoon anvil19:25
smittixouch19:27
* foobarry mixes up some acme quick drying cement19:27
* smittix wonders why everyone is after him.19:28
* SuperEngineer phones Roger Rabbit19:29
* smittix phones Jessica19:29
SuperEngineer[& pours all that tupentine down the chemoical disposal]19:30
foobarryi need some turps or white spirit19:31
foobarrybut i want 50ml, not 2L19:31
smittixTo drink?19:31
foobarrymaybe i should ask a neighbour19:31
* smittix hides19:31
foobarrydouble measure19:31
foobarryitv always say "don't go away".19:32
foobarrysorry mate. i'm doing the washing up19:32
SuperEngineer[this is soooo muh more fun than boasting about the new printer I bought at the weekend for exactly 2 pints... which previous very temp owner couldn't get working]19:32
MartijnVdSwhat kind of printer? and is it working now?19:33
zmoylan-pi2 pints of water or 2 pints of inkjet ink? :-)19:33
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: Epsom Xp-41219:34
SuperEngineer...easy to control [as a printer] vis the escpr driver for Ubuntu from Epsom19:34
SuperEngineer...as a scanner thopugh... well maybe someday...19:35
SuperEngineer[but it's got inbuilt screen and control for that... - scan to the sdcard - xfer the card to pooter - print it from pooter if wanted till then19:36
* SuperEngineer checks - Jessica Rabbit has *not* recieved any phone call from smittix !19:38
SuperEngineer...she still loves Roger & SuperEngineer only19:38
* zmoylan-pi hasn't seen an epson printer other than receipt printers since....19:40
smittixheh19:40
zmoylan-piepson stylus 200 yonks back19:40
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi:  stylus wat?19:41
zmoylan-piand 9 and 24 pin dot matrix jobbies around that time.19:41
davmor2DJones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqV4R_dArM#t=340 by the way and weighs in at 1300 :)19:41
SuperEngineerhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Epson-Expression-XP-412-Small-Printer/dp/B00DVH6HAG19:41
zmoylan-pithere consumer entry level inkjet from early 90s i think19:41
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi: cool19:42
* SuperEngineer bought Epsom as 1st printer decades ago - it was the only one at the time with cartridge refill kits19:43
davmor2DJones: might give you something to compare your baileys against :)19:43
* SuperEngineer still hugs his Canon i560X however - still going a treat19:44
SuperEngineer[but no scanner]19:45
SuperEngineeroh, & btw... SuperEngineer fires cartoon round black fused explosive looking things at smittix19:48
* zmoylan-pi hasn't used a scanner since my first phone had a 2mp camera19:50
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi: poser!19:51
zmoylan-pia nokia n70, great phone19:51
SuperEngineer"00ooo- I'll just hover over this receipt for 20mins till I get it right & hope my hands don't shake it when I press the button"19:52
foobarryheard my wife laughing hysterically to something on telly while i was doing the washing up19:52
foobarryturns out it was sarah millican. men and women are rather diffierent.....19:53
SuperEngineerfoobarry: you sure it's not CCTV19:53
foobarryheh19:53
foobarryyesterday it was that other ladies comedy19:53
foobarrymiranda19:53
zmoylan-pinah, i use a wooden frame that the phone sits into that clips to kitchen table at optimal height over platform below.  good enough for photographing books for ocr19:53
foobarrythe other programme that makes her laugh like that is top gear :D19:54
zmoylan-pimy current dumbphone is 5mp so the res is grand.19:55
smittixI still have a Motorola MR119:56
zmoylan-pihow long does the battery life last between charges?19:57
smittix5 Years19:57
smittixNot bad really19:58
smittixOooh Matrix is on.20:00
zmoylan-piisn't the matrix always on? :-p20:02
smittixha YEah20:02
smittixAlthough I have seen the movie countless times I still enjoy it.20:02
diddledanI turned it off the other night20:02
zmoylan-piit's... meh, good but not great20:03
smittixBut saying that any movie with tech/hackers in it I will sit and watch on repeat20:03
diddledanapparently the shock killed a few people20:03
zmoylan-pibest hacker movie is malcolm20:03
zmoylan-pino computers whatsoever20:03
SuperEngineeryou turned the Matrix off?  genocide!20:03
diddledansmittix, even hackers the worst tech movie evar. great fun20:03
smittixdiddledan: Exactly I love it and always will it's a fun movie.20:03
diddledanheck yeah20:04
zmoylan-pimy guilty pleasure is hackers, great soundtrack, silly plot, hack the gibson :-)20:04
smittixdiddledan: Wargames, Sneakers, Antitrust, Takedown love them all.20:04
diddledansmittix, me too20:04
smittixzmoylan-pi: I second that GREAT soundtrack.20:04
diddledanhackers even has rollerblading!20:04
smittixzmoylan-pi: Orbital at the begining w00t20:05
zmoylan-pihttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091464/ has trams :-)20:05
smittixdiddledan: I'd love a hangout like "Cyberdelia" in Hackers.20:05
shaunoalmost relevant; "my face when" I realised that zero cool is sherlock from Elementary.20:05
zmoylan-pitry your local hacker space20:05
smittixI've been meaning to20:05
smittixshauno: Heh good old Jonny Miller20:05
diddledanisn't that his first job since hackers? :-p20:06
zmoylan-piwell he married angelina jolie so he was busy20:06
smittixheh20:06
smittixHACK THE PLANET!20:07
diddledanI think I might have to watch it now20:07
shaunoI was more just shocked that I got through 2 years of Elementary without noticing20:07
zmoylan-pibut get and watch malcolm for a great hacker movie with great music20:07
smittixYeah it's making me feel that way.20:07
smittixzmoylan-pi: Will do!20:07
smittixI enjoyed Pirates of silicon valley too.20:07
zmoylan-piand real genius is good too20:08
smittixBut I must say even inaccurate story, Takedown is my favourite.20:08
smittixzmoylan-pi: Pi!20:08
shaunoand if your local hackerspace looks like that, I'm well jealous.  ours looks like a very generic office, except the adults have been out of town for 6 months.20:08
smittixshauno: Do you play wipeout on 25 CRT monitors20:09
shaunoit doesn't help that most the furniture was cast-offs from HP's office, so it has a genuine cube-farm thing going on20:09
zmoylan-pidoesn't everyone use projectors for big screens now?20:09
smittixheh20:09
diddledanshauno, it was actually filmed in an empty swiming pool20:09
SuperEngineererm... if it's empty - it's not a swimming pool!20:11
zmoylan-piit's a skateboard park20:11
shaunonow you've got me wondering what the proper term for an empty swimming pool would be.20:11
shaunoand I probably shouldn't google it, since I spent the afternoon looking up reactor designs (for minecraft)20:12
smittixheh20:13
smittixWhen I google things I can start on raspberry pi's and end up on Cat Pics20:13
foobarryjust took autism test. 30-34= possible autism 35+ autism 0-29 no autism20:13
foobarryscore=29 lol20:13
smittixheh20:13
diddledanshauno, reactors inisde empty swimming pools sounds like a fun thing to do20:13
foobarrymathematicians can often look aspie without being aspie20:14
foobarryjust because i like numbers20:14
shaunodiddledan, have you seen where they store spent fuel at sellafield?  it looks like a swimming pool.  with a crane.20:14
foobarryi knew someone who worked at sellafield20:15
foobarryhe was rathe prematurely bald20:15
foobarrycoincidence i'm sure20:15
smittixMy 15 week old cocker spaniel is growling at him self in the fire place. :/20:15
shaunoI wouldn't worry, unlesses he loses the fight that comes next ..20:16
smittixheh20:16
SuperEngineersmittix: that's in case Santa is early20:16
smittixHe's let the fire plac win and is now trying to eat my RTLSDIR Dongle20:17
smittixMy Desk atm = Living room floor.20:17
SuperEngineerevery dog has it's day - go to the pet shop & buy it a day!20:18
smittix;D20:18
smittixHe likes the noises from my SDR app.20:18
smittixDoes anyone use G+? I mean actually use it?20:24
foobarrydefine "use"20:24
foobarryi use it in readonly mode20:24
foobarrylike i do twitter20:24
foobarryi read g+ instead of buying a tech magazine20:24
popeyi do20:25
popeyi use G+ more than any other social network really20:25
MyrttiI use it20:26
smittixpopey: I love it you're about the only active person on mine heh20:26
smittixfoobarry: I tried stalking you a while ago and couldn't find you.20:26
foobarrysmittix: readonly mode, i don't really write stuff20:27
popeyi follow about 2000 people20:27
smittixpopey: I try and keep my numbers low so I don't miss anything20:28
foobarrypopey: got a top ten ppl you would recommend?20:29
foobarryor 3 :P20:29
popeyhah20:29
smittixI do like G+ Better than any other social site.20:31
foobarrywhat happened to joey OMG ?20:31
smittixI just wish more of my contacts used it.20:31
foobarryi used to enjoy omg as a guilty pleasure20:31
foobarrynot any more20:31
foobarryfor a long time in fact20:31
smittixWhat do you read now?20:32
foobarrymixture of stuff on g+ , webupd8, slashdot, the verge (but i'm about to remove them for relentless apple advertising), sjvn, simon phipps, etc20:36
foobarryandroid stuff too20:37
popeyfoobarry: he seems to focus more on chrome20:37
diddledanI would love to be a g+ addict but my family don't post there so I need to be on facebook and I don't like splitting my infinitives20:37
smittixpopey: I have noticed that. He makes me jealous, I want a Chromebook. :(20:38
shaunoI really wish amazon would tell me *why* it can't ship things to Ireland.  sometimes it just makes no sense at all20:38
foobarryfacebook i rarely post an update without a photo20:39
foobarryand i know my audience well and share more personal stuff20:39
foobarryi should post on g+ more but its the chicken egg thing20:39
foobarrywhen you don't have many followers it feels talking to youtself20:40
foobarryi keep thinking xbox one = original xbox20:41
smittixfoobarry: I know what you mean.20:41
smittixI need to go watch Hackers now because of diddledan20:48
shaunopossibly the most benign thing I've seen him blamed for in a looong time.20:58
diddledanlol20:58
AzelphurDoes anyone know of any vnc-like solutions that support something like x11vncs -clip option?22:27
daftykinsdo you guys ever install that laptop-mode-tools package on your laptop installs?23:01
diddledannope23:02
daftykinsi feel like just having Firefox open on this old Sony laptop (xubuntu) warms it up23:03
daftykins(no tabs)23:03
ali1234Azelphur: why dont you just use x11vnc?23:04
Azelphurali1234: because it's slower than a snail.23:04
ali1234well what do you expect? it's vnc23:04
Azelphurali1234: other solutions (nx, teamviewer, etc) are much faster23:05
Azelphurbut they don't have a -clip option and the only Android client has shit multi monitor support23:05
ali1234what are you trying to do?23:05
ali1234android as a monitor?23:05
Azelphurali1234: exactly23:05
ali1234that's never going to be fast23:06
Azelphurali1234: doesn't need to be /fast/ but at least not slow as balls23:06
ali1234i recommend this23:06
Azelphurali1234: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkl4h5W4Bjc&t=1m28s for example is ok23:06
ali1234xfbdev -> mencoder -> h264 stream -> vlc on android23:06
Azelphurinteresting23:07
Azelphurthat would certainly be faster and smoother23:07
Azelphurand I don't need input23:07
ali1234yeah. you would get artefacts though23:07
daftykinspeople come up with some odd use-cases :)23:07
Azelphurthat's ok, you seem to get artefacts on airdisplay too23:07
ali1234yeah, i figure you'd use synergy or something to share the input23:07
* daftykins does the open-mouthed point and stare at Azelphur23:07
daftykins;D23:07
ali1234alternatively, write a gadgetfs driver for usb2vga23:08
ali1234that shouldn't be particularly hard23:08
Azelphurali1234: haha, above me, but if you wrote it you could sell it and make lots of money :P23:08
ali1234i bet someone already has23:08
ali1234actually you remember that g19 emulator i wrote?23:09
Azelphuryup23:09
ali1234you could base it off that23:09
AzelphurI see :)23:09
Azelphurali1234: my C++ skills are nonzero now, I actually wrote some basic things recently \o/23:09
ali1234then use the g18 framebuffer driver, and run X on it23:09
ali1234all you need to do is port the emulator to android23:09
Azelphurali1234: then I'd have to use something like xdmx which doesn't work / isn't really supported23:09
ali1234and make it run fullscreen23:09
ali1234no you wouldn't23:10
ali1234you would still use synergy23:10
ali1234same as with x11vnc23:10
Azelphurali1234: no, no synergy here23:10
AzelphurI can drag windows across23:10
ali1234well you can screen scrape the X server and copy it into the framebuffer23:11
AzelphurI see23:11
ali1234actually the easiest way might be to mjpeg it and stream that23:11
ali1234the possibilities are endless really23:11
Azelphuryea, I never thought of the VLC option, this will no doubt be superior23:11
ali1234sending a h264 stream will probably work well, if you can hardware encode it23:12
ali1234this is what onlive does23:12
ali1234and it works pretty well23:12
Azelphurali1234: happen to know what I'd do to VLC to make it do this? or is it instruction manual time23:12
ali1234play a network stream?23:13
ali1234playing the stream is the easy part23:13
Azelphurali1234: nah, the server side part23:13
ali1234well, there's a vnc client that records a video23:13
AzelphurI'm sure vlc has a screen capture option23:14
Azelphuryes, vlc screen://23:14
ali1234oh, okay... so you just need to stream that onto the network23:14
ali1234test locally first23:14
Azelphuryea, I am23:15
ali1234ffmpeg can also do this, and probably better23:15
AzelphuroO, vlc screen:// --screen-left 1366 --screen-fps 10 seems very nice23:16
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Azelphurali1234: that's my local test done then, it works locally23:17
ali1234yeah now you need to run two vlc locally and stream from one to the other23:17
Azelphurdo you happen to know what I'd do to tell VLC to go into a server-ish mode?23:17
ali1234use the gui23:18
Azelphurali1234: I was kinda hoping to turn this into a bash script23:18
ali1234the gui shows you the command line to use23:18
Azelphuroh, cool23:18
ali1234this doesn't capture mouse pointer btw23:19
Azelphurali1234: I did notice, I hope VLC has an option for it23:19
Azelphuryes, it looks like it does23:20
Azelphurali1234: any recommendations on stream type? HTTP, MS-WMSP, RTSP, RTP / MPEG Transport Stream, RTP Audio/Video Profile, UDP (Legacy), IceCast23:20
ali1234well you don't want the broadcast types, that will eat bandwidth all the time23:21
ali1234http probably a good first choice23:21
Azelphurok23:21
AzelphurVideo - H.264 + MP3 (MP4)?23:21
ali1234yeah23:22
ali1234probably don't need audio23:22
Azelphuryea, can't see any non-audio options23:22
Azelphurali1234: http://pastebin.com/u75LUaX6 it doesn't seem happy with me23:27
Azelphureven the example on the wiki doesn't work xD23:31
ali1234yeah the vlc docs are awful23:31
ali1234that's why i suggested mencoder23:31
ali1234likely the problem here is frame size23:32
AzelphurI'm open to use that instead :)23:32
Azelphurcan mencoder do screen capture?23:32
ali1234ffmpeg can, and mencoder uses ffmpeg23:33
Azelphurali1234: I do a google search for mencoder screen capture, all the results are for ffmpeg haha23:34
zmoylan-pilast time i wanted to screen capture i used recordmydesktop though it was in 201323:37
Azelphurzmoylan-pi: yea, we are aiming to stream it though23:37
zmoylan-pithen some form of goat or yak to sacrifice to the gods of encoding then i'd advise :-)23:37
Azelphurhehe23:38
ali1234got it working :)23:44
Azelphurali1234: ooo, do share23:44
ali1234cvlc -vvv screen:// --screen-width 1920 --screen-height 1080 --screen-fps 10  :sout='#transcode{vcodec=mjpeg}:std{access=http, mux=ps,dst="0.0.0.0:8080"}'23:44
ali1234vlc http://localhost:8080/23:45
ali1234enjoy grainy desktop video stream :)23:45
ali1234there is lag though, due to buffering23:46
Azelphurali1234: I get "cannot pre fill buffer" errors on the client23:46
ali1234hmm wait23:46
ali1234it was just working23:47
Azelphurhaha, broke it23:47
ali1234change mjpeg to mp4v and then there's a 30 second delay23:48
Azelphurouch,  haha23:48
Azelphuryea, it works, just the delay is bad :P23:49
ali1234test23:51
ali1234now i see it :)23:51
Azelphurooo23:51
Azelphurdo share :)23:51
ali1234well we need to tweak the codec options clearly23:55
ali1234adding vb=800 fixes the quality23:55
AzelphurI see23:57
Azelphurali1234: what about the delay?23:57

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