[00:00] <daftykins> ah i thought i saw you had been asked to pop it on before
[00:00] <Azelphur> [ 1037.393237] sr0: unsupported sector size -687980545.
[00:00] <Andrew_> Suggestion?
[00:00] <Azelphur> wat
[00:01] <Azelphur> Andrew_: wait, are you sure that's a DVD drive?
[00:01] <Azelphur> dmesg is saying it's a CD drive
[00:01] <Azelphur> oh no, I see where it says it's a DVD drive now
[00:01] <Azelphur> ignore me ;)
[00:01] <daftykins> so we've got 4 devices from what i see, 160GB seagate sda
[00:02] <Andrew_> my HD
[00:02] <daftykins> a TEAC memory card reader
[00:02] <Andrew_> I do not use it.
[00:02] <Andrew_> The card reader, I mean.
[00:02] <daftykins> HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H31N B110
[00:02] <daftykins> that's the optical yip
[00:02] <Andrew_> Yes.
[00:02] <Andrew_> Yes.
[00:03] <Andrew_> Shows no media no matter what I place in it.
[00:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: I noticed this line too: sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 5
[00:03] <daftykins> laptop or desktop?
[00:03] <Azelphur> does that mean we should be mounting sg1 and not sr0?
[00:03] <daftykins> Azelphur: which # sir?
[00:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: 679
[00:04] <Andrew_> Inspiron 531s desktop
[00:04] <Andrew_> stock
[00:04] <daftykins> UDMA 100 is very odd for an optical 0o
[00:07] <daftykins> Andrew_: this is totally stupid, but have you powered off then back on since the install?
[00:07] <Andrew_> Of the OS?
[00:07] <daftykins> Azelphur: i really don't know if that's a corresponding device name
[00:07] <daftykins> Andrew_: nah whole computer
[00:08] <Andrew_> Ubuntu was installed yesterday, and I have restarted many times.
[00:08] <Andrew_> I have been without troubles up to this point.
[00:08] <daftykins> right but what about being off?
[00:08] <Andrew_> Yes, it has been powered down completely and for a few hours.
[00:09] <daftykins> can you give me the service tag off the case?
[00:09] <Andrew_> Not without a great effort.
[00:09] <daftykins> how's that? should be 7 characters long
[00:10] <daftykins> you can reboot and press F2 to enter BIOS and read it from there, to avoid the physical casing label
[00:12] <Andrew_> As in windows, is there a cmd/terminal command I can use?
[00:12] <Azelphur> Andrew_: try dmidecode -s system-serial-number
[00:13] <Andrew_> I am in the middle of a live session/data transfer and must maintain the connection until the upload is completed.
[00:14] <Andrew_> permission denied for that command
[00:14] <Azelphur> Andrew_: sudo dmidecode -s system-serial-number
[00:15] <Andrew_> 4FWH7D1
[00:15] <daftykins> there's no command in Windows to pull up a service tag 0o
[00:15] <Azelphur> daftykins: ^
[00:15] <daftykins> ty
[00:15] <Andrew_> wmic csproduct get vendor,name,identifyingnumber
[00:15] <Andrew_> also, wmic /user:administrator /node:remote-host bios get serialnumber
[00:16] <daftykins> oh, my bad
[00:16] <daftykins> evidently my Windows admin'ing isn't as far along as yours :D
[00:16] <daftykins> heh that thing came with Vista, no wonder you wanted off
[00:16] <Andrew_> You can understand why I feel useless at the moment.
[00:16] <Andrew_> Linux is making me feel so tiny and stupid.
[00:17] <daftykins> ok already latest BIOS, just for the fun of checking
[00:17] <daftykins> haha, yeah i remember it did me too for a while
[00:17] <daftykins> have you considered doing a free course? edx.org has the LFS101x right now
[00:17] <daftykins> gives you a quick jump up for starter theory and general operation
[00:17] <daftykins> it is a little dumbed down to be accessible, but is pretty good still
[00:18] <Andrew_> I may install a second HD and dual windows until I am able to figure out the issue with this disc drive.
[00:19] <Andrew_> Also, the moment I got this computer, I installed XP.
[00:19] <Andrew_> For the comment regarding vista.
[00:19] <daftykins> he have you done practically every firmware update on that thing you can? seems that optical is already on the latest firmware too
[00:20] <Andrew_> I have, I believe.
[00:20] <daftykins> *heh
[00:20] <daftykins> Azelphur: i'm beginning to think kernel, old nvidia chipset + SATA quirkiness
[00:20] <Azelphur> I see
[00:21] <Andrew_> Funny you would say that. I had just thought that there might be a sata incompatibily issue here.
[00:22] <Andrew_> I believe I am stumped for the night. I will read more forums and hope to find a solution/workaround.
[00:22] <Andrew_> Thank you all for trying to assist me.
[00:22] <daftykins> Andrew_: what i would do is try booting a live USB session of 12.04.5
[00:22] <Andrew_> An earlier version may yeild some result, yes.
[00:22] <daftykins> still long term support until 2017 too
[00:22] <Andrew_> I am aware that 14.04 is still buggy.
[00:23] <daftykins> i would disagree with that statement, i think it's more on age right now
[00:23] <daftykins> do you have 2GB RAM + ?
[00:23] <Andrew_> I do not.
[00:23] <daftykins> more or less?
[00:23] <Andrew_> Less.
[00:23] <daftykins> ouch
[00:23] <Andrew_> 1g
[00:23] <Andrew_> Yes.
[00:24] <daftykins> you may want to go with lubuntu or xubuntu
[00:24] <daftykins> lubuntu being the lightest but ugliest
[00:24] <Andrew_> I may use another system. I am uneasy about altering another machine. I opted to use this old dell as a test machine.
[00:25] <Andrew_> I have optimized my other systems on windows, but I will consider making a change. I am enjoying ubuntu, despite this one handup.
[00:25] <Andrew_> hangup*
[00:25] <daftykins> i have a sony ultraportable running an intel core 2 duo with 2GB RAM and xubuntu 14.04, everything's ace :D
[00:26] <daftykins> yeah optical is pretty... niche in my eyes now
[00:26] <daftykins> anywho i'd be interested to see how you get on with precise (12.04.5)
[00:26] <daftykins> would you like a download link before you go?
[00:26] <Andrew_> I will create a usb for it now.
[00:27] <Andrew_> I have the links, thank you.
[00:27] <mapps> ;]
[00:27] <Andrew_> I will return and share my results later. Thank you all very much, again.
[00:28] <daftykins> np
[00:28] <daftykins> good luck
[00:28] <daftykins> hey mapps
[00:28] <mapps> hey sup man
[00:30] <daftykins> mmmm not much here sir, been listening to this Blade Runner soundtrack though, damn it's good
[00:30] <daftykins> mapps: hey you hear about Aphex Twin new album this year?!
[00:30] <mapps> oh wow
[00:30] <mapps> no
[00:30] <mapps> got a link?
[00:30] <mapps> he rarely releases anything
[00:30] <mapps> you like aphex?
[00:32] <daftykins> damn straight, nah no links yet
[00:33] <daftykins> though apparently he had some TOR link on his twitter feed
[00:35] <mapps> :D
[00:36] <mapps> love heliosphan
[01:40] <mapps> hmm
[01:40] <mapps> cant connect to my pptp vpn pw
[01:40] <mapps> arghhhh
[01:42] <daftykins> D:
[01:46] <mapps> silly pi keeps losing wifi
[01:51] <mapps> tempted to format my netbook and put a fresh OS on..got win7 on atm..anyone got any suggestions for anythng else
[01:54] <daftykins> lubuntu
[06:02] <mapps> how is everybody?
[06:41] <Gargoyle> Mornin'
[06:41] <Gargoyle> Good thanks, mapps
[06:51] <mapps> rubbish weather ere again
[06:51] <mapps> :(
[06:59] <Gargoyle> Yeah. Getting cold. Might have to put the heating back on!
[07:02] <mapps> il be in sunny spain soon
[07:02] <mapps> :D
[07:03] <mapps> Going to Latvia next week then Gibraltar / Spain for 6months
[07:03] <mapps> will be living in la linea de concepcion
[07:57] <mapps> hm
[08:41] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:43] <DJones> Day off?
[08:43] <DJones> You never seem to be on IRC with the new job, must be keeping you too busy, better ask for a pay rise already
[08:55] <foobarry> mapps: try elementary
[08:58] <MooDoo> DJones: no i'm at work, yes i am on it less but still trying to get on once in a while :D
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: slacker
[09:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: shut the heck up youth :)
[09:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: ps, hope you're well
[09:09] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: dude I'm only a year younger than you ;)   How's life, how's the new job?
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: It's all going ok, and it's fine thanks, learning a lot
[09:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: I thought they employed you because of what you knew not what you could learn ;)
[09:10] <Myrtti> I feel ancient in comparison to almost everyone
[09:11] <MooDoo> davmor2: I know how to make tea :D
[09:11] <Myrtti> (on IRC channels)
[09:11] <MooDoo> Myrtti: you're a whipper snapper :D
[09:13] <Myrtti> the older I get the more convinced I am that age is a relative thing
[09:13] <Myrtti> this year marks my 20th anniversary online
[09:13] <Myrtti> in two years 20 years of IRC
[09:13] <MooDoo> Myrtti: when you're my age, then you can start to worry just a little bit :D
[09:14] <Myrtti> MooDoo: wrinkle cream. I have it.
[09:14] <DJones> Myrtti: MooDoo: kids today, always worrying about getting old
[09:14] <MooDoo> Myrtti: aren't you only in your 20's ?
[09:14] <Myrtti> DJones: I don't actually worry about getting old. I worry about starting to look like my mum.
[09:14] <DJones> I think there's only TheOpenSourcerer here thats older than me
[09:14]  * awilkins is 40
[09:15] <Myrtti> MooDoo: 34 last week.
[09:15] <MooDoo> Myrtti: ah that's nothing
[09:15] <MooDoo> DJones: how old?
[09:15] <DJones> 47
[09:15] <DJones>  last week
[09:15]  * zmoylan-pi is 43
[09:15] <Myrtti> \o/
[09:15] <Myrtti> MooDoo: well, it's past the magical age of "how old my mum was when she had me"
[09:15] <MooDoo> DJones: happy birthday - belated
[09:16]  * MooDoo is 42 :D
[09:16] <Myrtti> it's all relative, you see
[09:16] <DJones> Hmmh, MooDoo is the answer to life, the universe and everything
[09:16] <MooDoo> yeah baby yeah
[09:23] <popey> morning
[09:24] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:26] <Laney> you oldies!
[09:26] <popey> whipper snapper
[09:27] <popey> get off my lawn
[09:27] <popey> etc
[09:27] <davmor2> Myrtti: see all the awesome people were born in August :)
[09:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think I missed your announcement of what day it was....What is today oh wise and internet calendared one?
[09:29] <foobarry> talk about your age day?
[09:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: you mean april right?
[09:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Humanitarian Day! :-D
[09:30] <JamesTait> davmor2, you didn't miss it, I just hadn't done it yet. :)
[09:30] <davmor2> JamesTait: yay!
[09:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's also Photography Day and Aviation Day.
[09:31] <foobarry> \o/
[09:31] <foobarry> good combo
[09:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, sounds like a day to take photographs of planes carrying people to humanitarian missions.
[09:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: I prefer the to latter ones :D
[09:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: sounds like a good excuse to get your camera out if ever there was one
[09:32] <foobarry> excited for the wings and wheels show on sunday
[09:32]  * JamesTait has he camera perched on his desk in front of him, just in case.
[09:32] <awilkins> Humanitarian day on a day that police are using tear gas and sonic weapons on peaceful protesters in a futile attempt to cover up that one of their officers fucked up big time
[09:33] <davmor2> Myrtti: MooDoo doesn't think you are awesome don't take it personally, I think you are though :)
[09:33] <awilkins> Pardon my channel-inappropriate outburst of language
[09:33] <foobarry> i haven't been reading the news
[09:33] <foobarry> sounds like something happened
[09:33] <foobarry> no spoilers though ;)
[09:34] <awilkins> Tinfoil hat side of me is wondering if this is a test case of civil unrest to investigate how well the tactics work
[09:35] <awilkins> Whoever signed off on the budgets for it must be utterly mental
[09:35] <Myrtti> foobarry: US police have again shown that they can use excessive force and pull the trigger
[09:35] <awilkins> A week of that kind of police action, plus national guard, seems an awful lot more expensive than just arresting the idiot and starting proceedings against him
[09:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: Myrtti is awesome thank you very much :D
[09:37] <JamesTait> +1
[09:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah yeah yeah you said it dude don't try taking it back now ;)
[09:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: :p
[09:38] <davmor2> hahaha
[09:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: pa just got back from bakewell :D  had a great time  went to gullivers kingdom :D
[09:39] <awilkins> But the fact that they have built up that kind of arsenal? I don't understand how they could even think they would need it, unless they were planning for that kind of civil unrest... so why are they expecting it?
[09:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: just bought a caravan we are still getting used to it :)
[09:40] <awilkins> I would not expect police to have that kind of arsenal, I would expect them to have basic defensive gear, but if it escalated that much to send for the National Guard.
[09:40] <popey> davmor2: what kinda caravan?
[09:40] <awilkins> Not that it has escalated that much, except on the police side.
[09:40] <popey> is it static or mobile?
[09:41] <davmor2> popey: Tourer, 1999 Swift Classic Danette
[09:42] <popey> with awning?
[09:42] <popey> http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/swift-danette-caravan-1994-5-berth/1077536477 like that one?
[09:43] <davmor2> popey: no we were in a trailer tent originally, but as my back and shoulder are slowly getting worse it was taking longer to recover from the setup.  which is being bent over pegging stuff in, so we want to avoid that completely
[09:44] <popey> yeah, wise
[09:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: awesome :D
[09:45] <davmor2> popey: yeap that is ours,  the back seats turn into a double bed and can be sectioned off as a bedroom.  and then the rest of the caravan is just space to do stuff in :)
[09:45] <DJones> davmor2: Welcome to the ubuntu-uk-caravan-club :)
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> bunch of hippies, geeky hippies but still hippies :-)
[09:46]  * awilkins secretly wants to live in an Earthship / Hobbit hole
[09:46] <MooDoo> DJones: #ubuntu-uk-caravan-club ;)
[09:46] <DJones> :0
[09:46] <DJones> :)
[09:46] <awilkins> Grow my own veg. Brew my own drink.
[09:46] <davmor2> popey, MooDoo, DJones:  Next we want to move up to an Adria altea trent or an adria sportline up  same thing but with a bit more space and luxury
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> i want to live on a crannog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crannog
[09:46] <awilkins> As long as it has fibre.
[09:46]  * DJones concrete's over awilkins hobbit hole and builds a multistory car park
[09:47] <awilkins> I defy your intentions to pave my paradise and put up a parking lot.
[09:48] <foobarry> looked away from my vsphereOS pc for one second and windows decided a reboot was neceesary for updates :(
[09:48] <DJones> davmor2: We've got a 2 berth at the moment, would like to replace that with a fixed bed 4 berth before next year, not really any preference on the make though as long as its under 1300kgs
[09:48] <awilkins> (ooooh, bop bop bop)
[09:49] <davmor2> DJones: same here the adria is nice though have a look the trent and up are similar layouts the up has some extras though both under 1300 as that's all our car can pull
[09:49] <davmor2> Anyone else going the the nec for the caravan and motorhome expo?
[09:50] <shauno> I'm not sure they'd let me in, I'm only 30 ;)
[09:51] <davmor2> shauno: they'll let you in they just won't let you buy ;)
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> can you imagine the tents of the queue camping outside that! :-)
[09:52] <MooDoo> shauno: confuse them all, grow a beard
[09:53] <DJones> davmor2: I like the Bailey fix bed vans
[10:00] <foobarry> what is the iU state in dpkg --list?
[10:01] <shauno> the top two lines of the output should detail that?
[10:01] <foobarry> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[10:01] <foobarry> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[10:03] <shauno> so iU is desired=Install, status=Unpacked  (unpacked but not configured)
[10:04] <shauno> I'd assume that's the state when post-conf scripts break?
[10:10] <foobarry> thats bad, it was a kernel
[10:11] <shauno> make sure /boot isn't full and try again?  (just dpkg-reconfigure package).  or just go straight to try again and pay attention to the output?
[10:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:23] <foobarry>  ugh, i'd run out of inodes in /usr
[10:23] <SuperMatt> yeesh, how much stuff have you installed?
[10:24] <SuperMatt> have you added all the ppas or something?
[10:24] <awilkins> Impressed, unless you made a file system for /usr with non-default settings and that's biting you now :-)
[10:25] <foobarry> i had small /usr
[10:25] <foobarry> it is a vm server
[10:26] <foobarry> a server which is a vm,
[10:26] <foobarry> increased /usr and off we go
[10:26] <SuperMatt> wheeeee
[10:27] <foobarry> no space left on device always makes me think bytes rather than inodes
[10:27] <foobarry> good invterview question
[10:28] <shauno> oddly, I tend to check the other way around.  no space left on device makes me check inodes because bytes free rarely sneaks up on me
[10:29] <ali1234> no space left on device always seems to be a show stopper in my experience
[10:29] <ali1234> ie if it happens it doesn't really matter why, you'll be rebuilding that server from backups
[10:29] <foobarry> lvm innit
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's extra fun when it hits zero and you don't even have space to delete things to make space :-)
[10:29] <foobarry> apt-get -f install and we're back in business
[10:30] <ali1234> yeah, if you can even log in
[10:31] <ali1234> why would you even put /usr on a different partition on a VM server?
[10:31] <foobarry> so i can still login if it fills up
[10:32] <shauno> I rarely hit that.  my vps is a mailserver, so the liability is lots of small files (high inode usage).  but not owned by root, so root's 5% reservation saves lives
[10:32] <ali1234>  /var is always the one that gets full though
[10:33] <foobarry> not today
[10:33] <foobarry> var can stomp on / if all together though, yeah
[10:37] <popey> even more fun when your linux based phone runs out of space ☻
[10:38] <MooDoo> raaaaaaaaaa bloomin awstats....
[10:45] <MooDoo> sometimes i'm so dumb
[10:49] <davmor2> DJones: seriously have a look at the adrias you will be pleasantly surprised at the trent and up :)
[10:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes DJones - I'm 49 currently.
[10:55] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: ubuntu uk 50th party? ;)
[10:57] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: man you're like the ancient and wise pepper monger
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm...
[10:59] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: Right, I did think you were a year younger than that
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd much rather be talking total non-PC, non CoC approved rubbish in my local for my 50th than an Ubuntu UK get together frankly. No offence ;-)
[10:59] <Myrtti> DJones: he's had a sneaky birthday since, probably
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have one every March oddly enough.
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> except next year when it won't be odd but even :-p
[11:32] <knightwise> i think its pretty safe to say that LXLE is one of the more under-appreciated spins on Ubuntu
[11:32] <knightwise> just installed the 64 bit version on my Thinkpad an it runs like kittens on cocaine !
[11:32] <dvrr> i am upgrading  packages  ubuntu 13.04   i faced some problem   please  open url  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8088016/
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> splitters!
[11:38] <knightwise> hey zmoylan-pi
[11:38] <knightwise> howzyou today
[11:39] <Laney> 3.14159265359
[11:39] <Laney> that's as much as i can remember
[11:39] <knightwise> Laney: I would like a slice please
[11:39] <Laney> i slice but the knife never seems to get to the end
[11:40] <dvrr> MooDoo
[11:41] <knightwise> Bliss !
[11:41] <knightwise> Screens in portrait mode :)
[11:47] <popey> dvrr: sounds like bug 1083483
[11:47] <popey> dvrr: looks like you have libpulse0:i386 and libpulse0:amd64 trying to co-exist
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> hey knightwise, was just off reading rss
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> ancient tricorder :-) http://www.wired.com/2014/08/crazy-blowpipe-apparatus/
[11:57] <dvrr> popey:  how can  i resolve  this problem
[12:19] <popey> dvrr: I'd figure out why you have libpulse0:i386 installed
[12:20] <popey> interestingly on my 14.04 system I have both libpulse0:i386 and libpulse0:amd64 so it looks like it's fixed in later releases
[12:20] <popey> dvrr: you're on an unsupported version of Ubuntu (13.04) so chances are it won't get fixed, you'll need to either fix it by removing one of the two packages, or force install them or (preferably) upgrade to a newer release
[12:41] <ali1234> libpulse0:i386 is used by several proprietary applications - one is skype i think
[12:41] <ali1234> and yes this was a bug on 13.04, i remember being affected by it
[12:46] <foobarry> finished my latest airfix kit but left the canopy in devon :( http://i.imgur.com/P9Z7jO7.jpg
[13:00] <awilkins> Airfix was something I never really got into as a kid because of the expense of buying all the paint
[13:01] <popey> took my powerup3 to the park at the wekend
[13:01] <popey> man that thing is hard to fly!
[13:01] <popey> possibly too windy
[13:01] <davmor2> popey: that or your crap
[13:01] <popey> that too
[13:01] <davmor2> you're even
[13:01] <awilkins> My girlfriend has a heap of unopened kits on a shelf in her boxroom and I feel the urge, as a nerdy man, to assemble them, but still balk at the cost of the paint
[13:02] <foobarry> :-|
[13:02] <foobarry> paint is not that much
[13:02] <foobarry> that kit i did mainly used 3 colours
[13:02] <foobarry> a red arrow uses.....1 colour
[13:02] <awilkins> Emotional bias formed by childhood experience
[13:03] <foobarry> £1.50ish for a pot of humbrol. thats all u need
[13:03] <foobarry> awilkins: take a photo of the kits on the shelf pls :D
[13:03] <awilkins> Next time I'm there
[13:03] <foobarry> it is the most enjoyable and relaxing of hobbies
[13:04] <foobarry> it really is rather inexpensive
[13:04] <foobarry> especially if you're doing WWII RAF stuff. then its all sky/dark earth/green camo style
[13:05] <shauno> yank ww2 stuff isn't bad either.  one can of spray silver goes a long way
[13:06] <knightwise> i was thinking of buying some star trek models
[13:06] <knightwise> they have some great versions of the original enterprise ..
[13:06] <knightwise> but i'm afraid I suck at stuff you have to glue together
[13:06] <foobarry> yeah. also check this vid for metalcote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9_Y7v0PXI
[13:07] <foobarry> knightwise: when was the last time you tried?
[13:08] <knightwise> when I was a teenager I think
[13:08] <foobarry> all the hormones react with the glue...try again :P
[13:08] <knightwise> hmm.. might be worth it
[13:08] <knightwise> wife buys me a lego kit from time to time :) keeps me busy for ages :)
[13:09]  * knightwise has a small collection of lego star wars ships
[13:20]  * foobarry has real star wars in the loft
[13:22] <awilkins> By "real" I presume you mean original figures, not the modern ones
[13:22] <foobarry> yep
[13:22] <awilkins> DO you have a Boba Fett?
[13:22] <foobarry> and not made out of lego
[13:22] <foobarry> i have 2 boba fetts
[13:22] <awilkins> With launching rocket?
[13:23] <foobarry> one had chewing gum and a bit wobbly that i acquired in a swap. one is in better nick
[13:23] <foobarry> i don't think the launching rocket was on general release
[13:23] <foobarry> or so the episode of toy hunter told me
[13:23] <foobarry> i have yak face though.
[13:24] <foobarry> he's prob worth around £70
[13:26] <awilkins> Wow, Rocket Firing Boba Fett : $16,000
[13:26] <foobarry> check youtube for the toy hunter episode
[13:27] <foobarry> although i hate that prog. its soo.....money oriented
[13:27] <foobarry> james may could make an awesome english equivalent
[13:29] <foobarry> apparently kenner made them as sample but not sold due to risk of children and law suits
[13:30]  * knightwise has a boba fett , in da box :) 
[13:30] <knightwise> Oldest action figure I have is from 79
[13:30] <knightwise> I currently also have a T-interceptor from 81, with a pilot from 83 :)
[13:30] <knightwise> awilkins: no rocket firing one. a re-issue :)
[13:32] <foobarry> i have battle damaged x-wing in box
[13:32] <foobarry> i played with them all but kept the boxes
[13:32] <knightwise> even boxes are worth something ç!
[13:34] <knightwise> https://www.flickr.com/photos/knightwise/13333634564/
[13:34] <knightwise> my 81' T-interceptor
[13:35] <foobarry> how much did u buy for
[13:41] <knightwise> foobarry: i got it as a gift from the guy at the toy store (we have a retro toy store in gent we go to regularly)
[13:41] <knightwise> the wings are glued on , so it isn't worth much anymore
[13:41] <knightwise> but its still very cool
[13:42] <knightwise> and this is te biggest T-wing I got to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-GFQtTrZAs (1 minute into the movie)
[13:42] <knightwise> sorry , 10 minutes in
[15:34] <foobarry> just realised the vulcan XH558 is flying on sunday too \o/
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> popping back from a mission over iraq? :-p
[15:47] <mapps> hm my pi wifi turns itself off:D
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> going undercover? power saving?
[15:48] <mapps> i think it must be the power saving
[15:48] <mapps> but
[15:48] <mapps> it happens after like a few mins!!
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> time it to see?
[15:51] <mapps> yea will do now
[17:12] <DJones> popey: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/ubuntu-mate-remix-course-become-official-flavour
[17:56] <popey> DJones: ☻
[19:01]  * smittix ties MooDoo's shoe laces together
[19:06]  * SuperEngineer pushes
[19:06]  * smittix laughs and runs away
[19:08]  * zmoylan-pi places banana peels in smittix's path
[19:12]  * smittix slips over in a cartoon fashion whilst crashing into zmoylan-pi 
[19:16]  * SuperEngineer carefully places drawing pins around  smittix's escape path
[19:21]  * zmoylan-pi lands and yells and leaps off the drawing pins in a manner that has tom and jerrys animators reaching for the copyright lawyers phone number
[19:25] <smittix> heh
[19:25]  * smittix sits up and waves
[19:25]  * SuperEngineer drops cartoon anvil
[19:27] <smittix> ouch
[19:27]  * foobarry mixes up some acme quick drying cement
[19:28]  * smittix wonders why everyone is after him.
[19:29]  * SuperEngineer phones Roger Rabbit
[19:29]  * smittix phones Jessica
[19:30] <SuperEngineer> [& pours all that tupentine down the chemoical disposal]
[19:31] <foobarry> i need some turps or white spirit
[19:31] <foobarry> but i want 50ml, not 2L
[19:31] <smittix> To drink?
[19:31] <foobarry> maybe i should ask a neighbour
[19:31]  * smittix hides
[19:31] <foobarry> double measure
[19:32] <foobarry> itv always say "don't go away".
[19:32] <foobarry> sorry mate. i'm doing the washing up
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> [this is soooo muh more fun than boasting about the new printer I bought at the weekend for exactly 2 pints... which previous very temp owner couldn't get working]
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> what kind of printer? and is it working now?
[19:33] <zmoylan-pi> 2 pints of water or 2 pints of inkjet ink? :-)
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: Epsom Xp-412
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> ...easy to control [as a printer] vis the escpr driver for Ubuntu from Epsom
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> ...as a scanner thopugh... well maybe someday...
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> [but it's got inbuilt screen and control for that... - scan to the sdcard - xfer the card to pooter - print it from pooter if wanted till then
[19:38]  * SuperEngineer checks - Jessica Rabbit has *not* recieved any phone call from smittix !
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> ...she still loves Roger & SuperEngineer only
[19:40]  * zmoylan-pi hasn't seen an epson printer other than receipt printers since....
[19:40] <smittix> heh
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> epson stylus 200 yonks back
[19:41] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi:  stylus wat?
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> and 9 and 24 pin dot matrix jobbies around that time.
[19:41] <davmor2> DJones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqV4R_dArM#t=340 by the way and weighs in at 1300 :)
[19:41] <SuperEngineer> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Epson-Expression-XP-412-Small-Printer/dp/B00DVH6HAG
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> there consumer entry level inkjet from early 90s i think
[19:42] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: cool
[19:43]  * SuperEngineer bought Epsom as 1st printer decades ago - it was the only one at the time with cartridge refill kits
[19:43] <davmor2> DJones: might give you something to compare your baileys against :)
[19:44]  * SuperEngineer still hugs his Canon i560X however - still going a treat
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> [but no scanner]
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> oh, & btw... SuperEngineer fires cartoon round black fused explosive looking things at smittix
[19:50]  * zmoylan-pi hasn't used a scanner since my first phone had a 2mp camera
[19:51] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: poser!
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> a nokia n70, great phone
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> "00ooo- I'll just hover over this receipt for 20mins till I get it right & hope my hands don't shake it when I press the button"
[19:52] <foobarry> heard my wife laughing hysterically to something on telly while i was doing the washing up
[19:53] <foobarry> turns out it was sarah millican. men and women are rather diffierent.....
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: you sure it's not CCTV
[19:53] <foobarry> heh
[19:53] <foobarry> yesterday it was that other ladies comedy
[19:53] <foobarry> miranda
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> nah, i use a wooden frame that the phone sits into that clips to kitchen table at optimal height over platform below.  good enough for photographing books for ocr
[19:54] <foobarry> the other programme that makes her laugh like that is top gear :D
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> my current dumbphone is 5mp so the res is grand.
[19:56] <smittix> I still have a Motorola MR1
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> how long does the battery life last between charges?
[19:57] <smittix> 5 Years
[19:58] <smittix> Not bad really
[20:00] <smittix> Oooh Matrix is on.
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the matrix always on? :-p
[20:02] <smittix> ha YEah
[20:02] <smittix> Although I have seen the movie countless times I still enjoy it.
[20:02] <diddledan> I turned it off the other night
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> it's... meh, good but not great
[20:03] <smittix> But saying that any movie with tech/hackers in it I will sit and watch on repeat
[20:03] <diddledan> apparently the shock killed a few people
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> best hacker movie is malcolm
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> no computers whatsoever
[20:03] <SuperEngineer> you turned the Matrix off?  genocide!
[20:03] <diddledan> smittix, even hackers the worst tech movie evar. great fun
[20:03] <smittix> diddledan: Exactly I love it and always will it's a fun movie.
[20:04] <diddledan> heck yeah
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> my guilty pleasure is hackers, great soundtrack, silly plot, hack the gibson :-)
[20:04] <smittix> diddledan: Wargames, Sneakers, Antitrust, Takedown love them all.
[20:04] <diddledan> smittix, me too
[20:04] <smittix> zmoylan-pi: I second that GREAT soundtrack.
[20:04] <diddledan> hackers even has rollerblading!
[20:05] <smittix> zmoylan-pi: Orbital at the begining w00t
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091464/ has trams :-)
[20:05] <smittix> diddledan: I'd love a hangout like "Cyberdelia" in Hackers.
[20:05] <shauno> almost relevant; "my face when" I realised that zero cool is sherlock from Elementary.
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> try your local hacker space
[20:05] <smittix> I've been meaning to
[20:05] <smittix> shauno: Heh good old Jonny Miller
[20:06] <diddledan> isn't that his first job since hackers? :-p
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> well he married angelina jolie so he was busy
[20:06] <smittix> heh
[20:07] <smittix> HACK THE PLANET!
[20:07] <diddledan> I think I might have to watch it now
[20:07] <shauno> I was more just shocked that I got through 2 years of Elementary without noticing
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> but get and watch malcolm for a great hacker movie with great music
[20:07] <smittix> Yeah it's making me feel that way.
[20:07] <smittix> zmoylan-pi: Will do!
[20:07] <smittix> I enjoyed Pirates of silicon valley too.
[20:08] <zmoylan-pi> and real genius is good too
[20:08] <smittix> But I must say even inaccurate story, Takedown is my favourite.
[20:08] <smittix> zmoylan-pi: Pi!
[20:08] <shauno> and if your local hackerspace looks like that, I'm well jealous.  ours looks like a very generic office, except the adults have been out of town for 6 months.
[20:09] <smittix> shauno: Do you play wipeout on 25 CRT monitors
[20:09] <shauno> it doesn't help that most the furniture was cast-offs from HP's office, so it has a genuine cube-farm thing going on
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't everyone use projectors for big screens now?
[20:09] <smittix> heh
[20:09] <diddledan> shauno, it was actually filmed in an empty swiming pool
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> erm... if it's empty - it's not a swimming pool!
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> it's a skateboard park
[20:11] <shauno> now you've got me wondering what the proper term for an empty swimming pool would be.
[20:12] <shauno> and I probably shouldn't google it, since I spent the afternoon looking up reactor designs (for minecraft)
[20:13] <smittix> heh
[20:13] <smittix> When I google things I can start on raspberry pi's and end up on Cat Pics
[20:13] <foobarry> just took autism test. 30-34= possible autism 35+ autism 0-29 no autism
[20:13] <foobarry> score=29 lol
[20:13] <smittix> heh
[20:13] <diddledan> shauno, reactors inisde empty swimming pools sounds like a fun thing to do
[20:14] <foobarry> mathematicians can often look aspie without being aspie
[20:14] <foobarry> just because i like numbers
[20:14] <shauno> diddledan, have you seen where they store spent fuel at sellafield?  it looks like a swimming pool.  with a crane.
[20:15] <foobarry> i knew someone who worked at sellafield
[20:15] <foobarry> he was rathe prematurely bald
[20:15] <foobarry> coincidence i'm sure
[20:15] <smittix> My 15 week old cocker spaniel is growling at him self in the fire place. :/
[20:16] <shauno> I wouldn't worry, unlesses he loses the fight that comes next ..
[20:16] <smittix> heh
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> smittix: that's in case Santa is early
[20:17] <smittix> He's let the fire plac win and is now trying to eat my RTLSDIR Dongle
[20:17] <smittix> My Desk atm = Living room floor.
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> every dog has it's day - go to the pet shop & buy it a day!
[20:18] <smittix> ;D
[20:18] <smittix> He likes the noises from my SDR app.
[20:24] <smittix> Does anyone use G+? I mean actually use it?
[20:24] <foobarry> define "use"
[20:24] <foobarry> i use it in readonly mode
[20:24] <foobarry> like i do twitter
[20:24] <foobarry> i read g+ instead of buying a tech magazine
[20:25] <popey> i do
[20:25] <popey> i use G+ more than any other social network really
[20:26] <Myrtti> I use it
[20:26] <smittix> popey: I love it you're about the only active person on mine heh
[20:26] <smittix> foobarry: I tried stalking you a while ago and couldn't find you.
[20:27] <foobarry> smittix: readonly mode, i don't really write stuff
[20:27] <popey> i follow about 2000 people
[20:28] <smittix> popey: I try and keep my numbers low so I don't miss anything
[20:29] <foobarry> popey: got a top ten ppl you would recommend?
[20:29] <foobarry> or 3 :P
[20:29] <popey> hah
[20:31] <smittix> I do like G+ Better than any other social site.
[20:31] <foobarry> what happened to joey OMG ?
[20:31] <smittix> I just wish more of my contacts used it.
[20:31] <foobarry> i used to enjoy omg as a guilty pleasure
[20:31] <foobarry> not any more
[20:31] <foobarry> for a long time in fact
[20:32] <smittix> What do you read now?
[20:36] <foobarry> mixture of stuff on g+ , webupd8, slashdot, the verge (but i'm about to remove them for relentless apple advertising), sjvn, simon phipps, etc
[20:37] <foobarry> android stuff too
[20:37] <popey> foobarry: he seems to focus more on chrome
[20:37] <diddledan> I would love to be a g+ addict but my family don't post there so I need to be on facebook and I don't like splitting my infinitives
[20:38] <smittix> popey: I have noticed that. He makes me jealous, I want a Chromebook. :(
[20:38] <shauno> I really wish amazon would tell me *why* it can't ship things to Ireland.  sometimes it just makes no sense at all
[20:39] <foobarry> facebook i rarely post an update without a photo
[20:39] <foobarry> and i know my audience well and share more personal stuff
[20:39] <foobarry> i should post on g+ more but its the chicken egg thing
[20:40] <foobarry> when you don't have many followers it feels talking to youtself
[20:41] <foobarry> i keep thinking xbox one = original xbox
[20:41] <smittix> foobarry: I know what you mean.
[20:48] <smittix> I need to go watch Hackers now because of diddledan
[20:58] <shauno> possibly the most benign thing I've seen him blamed for in a looong time.
[20:58] <diddledan> lol
[22:27] <Azelphur> Does anyone know of any vnc-like solutions that support something like x11vncs -clip option?
[23:01] <daftykins> do you guys ever install that laptop-mode-tools package on your laptop installs?
[23:02] <diddledan> nope
[23:03] <daftykins> i feel like just having Firefox open on this old Sony laptop (xubuntu) warms it up
[23:03] <daftykins> (no tabs)
[23:04] <ali1234> Azelphur: why dont you just use x11vnc?
[23:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: because it's slower than a snail.
[23:04] <ali1234> well what do you expect? it's vnc
[23:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: other solutions (nx, teamviewer, etc) are much faster
[23:05] <Azelphur> but they don't have a -clip option and the only Android client has shit multi monitor support
[23:05] <ali1234> what are you trying to do?
[23:05] <ali1234> android as a monitor?
[23:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: exactly
[23:06] <ali1234> that's never going to be fast
[23:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: doesn't need to be /fast/ but at least not slow as balls
[23:06] <ali1234> i recommend this
[23:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkl4h5W4Bjc&t=1m28s for example is ok
[23:06] <ali1234> xfbdev -> mencoder -> h264 stream -> vlc on android
[23:07] <Azelphur> interesting
[23:07] <Azelphur> that would certainly be faster and smoother
[23:07] <Azelphur> and I don't need input
[23:07] <ali1234> yeah. you would get artefacts though
[23:07] <daftykins> people come up with some odd use-cases :)
[23:07] <Azelphur> that's ok, you seem to get artefacts on airdisplay too
[23:07] <ali1234> yeah, i figure you'd use synergy or something to share the input
[23:07]  * daftykins does the open-mouthed point and stare at Azelphur
[23:07] <daftykins> ;D
[23:08] <ali1234> alternatively, write a gadgetfs driver for usb2vga
[23:08] <ali1234> that shouldn't be particularly hard
[23:08] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, above me, but if you wrote it you could sell it and make lots of money :P
[23:08] <ali1234> i bet someone already has
[23:09] <ali1234> actually you remember that g19 emulator i wrote?
[23:09] <Azelphur> yup
[23:09] <ali1234> you could base it off that
[23:09] <Azelphur> I see :)
[23:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: my C++ skills are nonzero now, I actually wrote some basic things recently \o/
[23:09] <ali1234> then use the g18 framebuffer driver, and run X on it
[23:09] <ali1234> all you need to do is port the emulator to android
[23:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: then I'd have to use something like xdmx which doesn't work / isn't really supported
[23:09] <ali1234> and make it run fullscreen
[23:10] <ali1234> no you wouldn't
[23:10] <ali1234> you would still use synergy
[23:10] <ali1234> same as with x11vnc
[23:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: no, no synergy here
[23:10] <Azelphur> I can drag windows across
[23:11] <ali1234> well you can screen scrape the X server and copy it into the framebuffer
[23:11] <Azelphur> I see
[23:11] <ali1234> actually the easiest way might be to mjpeg it and stream that
[23:11] <ali1234> the possibilities are endless really
[23:11] <Azelphur> yea, I never thought of the VLC option, this will no doubt be superior
[23:12] <ali1234> sending a h264 stream will probably work well, if you can hardware encode it
[23:12] <ali1234> this is what onlive does
[23:12] <ali1234> and it works pretty well
[23:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: happen to know what I'd do to VLC to make it do this? or is it instruction manual time
[23:13] <ali1234> play a network stream?
[23:13] <ali1234> playing the stream is the easy part
[23:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: nah, the server side part
[23:13] <ali1234> well, there's a vnc client that records a video
[23:14] <Azelphur> I'm sure vlc has a screen capture option
[23:14] <Azelphur> yes, vlc screen://
[23:14] <ali1234> oh, okay... so you just need to stream that onto the network
[23:14] <ali1234> test locally first
[23:15] <Azelphur> yea, I am
[23:15] <ali1234> ffmpeg can also do this, and probably better
[23:16] <Azelphur> oO, vlc screen:// --screen-left 1366 --screen-fps 10 seems very nice
[23:17] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's my local test done then, it works locally
[23:17] <ali1234> yeah now you need to run two vlc locally and stream from one to the other
[23:17] <Azelphur> do you happen to know what I'd do to tell VLC to go into a server-ish mode?
[23:18] <ali1234> use the gui
[23:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: I was kinda hoping to turn this into a bash script
[23:18] <ali1234> the gui shows you the command line to use
[23:18] <Azelphur> oh, cool
[23:19] <ali1234> this doesn't capture mouse pointer btw
[23:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: I did notice, I hope VLC has an option for it
[23:20] <Azelphur> yes, it looks like it does
[23:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: any recommendations on stream type? HTTP, MS-WMSP, RTSP, RTP / MPEG Transport Stream, RTP Audio/Video Profile, UDP (Legacy), IceCast
[23:21] <ali1234> well you don't want the broadcast types, that will eat bandwidth all the time
[23:21] <ali1234> http probably a good first choice
[23:21] <Azelphur> ok
[23:21] <Azelphur> Video - H.264 + MP3 (MP4)?
[23:22] <ali1234> yeah
[23:22] <ali1234> probably don't need audio
[23:22] <Azelphur> yea, can't see any non-audio options
[23:27] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://pastebin.com/u75LUaX6 it doesn't seem happy with me
[23:31] <Azelphur> even the example on the wiki doesn't work xD
[23:31] <ali1234> yeah the vlc docs are awful
[23:31] <ali1234> that's why i suggested mencoder
[23:32] <ali1234> likely the problem here is frame size
[23:32] <Azelphur> I'm open to use that instead :)
[23:32] <Azelphur> can mencoder do screen capture?
[23:33] <ali1234> ffmpeg can, and mencoder uses ffmpeg
[23:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: I do a google search for mencoder screen capture, all the results are for ffmpeg haha
[23:37] <zmoylan-pi> last time i wanted to screen capture i used recordmydesktop though it was in 2013
[23:37] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: yea, we are aiming to stream it though
[23:37] <zmoylan-pi> then some form of goat or yak to sacrifice to the gods of encoding then i'd advise :-)
[23:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:44] <ali1234> got it working :)
[23:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: ooo, do share
[23:44] <ali1234> cvlc -vvv screen:// --screen-width 1920 --screen-height 1080 --screen-fps 10  :sout='#transcode{vcodec=mjpeg}:std{access=http, mux=ps,dst="0.0.0.0:8080"}'
[23:45] <ali1234> vlc http://localhost:8080/
[23:45] <ali1234> enjoy grainy desktop video stream :)
[23:46] <ali1234> there is lag though, due to buffering
[23:46] <Azelphur> ali1234: I get "cannot pre fill buffer" errors on the client
[23:46] <ali1234> hmm wait
[23:47] <ali1234> it was just working
[23:47] <Azelphur> haha, broke it
[23:48] <ali1234> change mjpeg to mp4v and then there's a 30 second delay
[23:48] <Azelphur> ouch,  haha
[23:49] <Azelphur> yea, it works, just the delay is bad :P
[23:51] <ali1234> test
[23:51] <ali1234> now i see it :)
[23:51] <Azelphur> ooo
[23:51] <Azelphur> do share :)
[23:55] <ali1234> well we need to tweak the codec options clearly
[23:55] <ali1234> adding vb=800 fixes the quality
[23:57] <Azelphur> I see
[23:57] <Azelphur> ali1234: what about the delay?