[00:14] <bluesabre> hey all
[00:34] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome, elfy: maybe we should add pkexec policies to xubuntu-default-settings instead of individual packages to maintain translations... thoughts?
[00:35] <bluesabre> + Unit193
[01:26]  * bluesabre finally reads the rest of the backlog
[01:26] <bluesabre> but yeah, for translations, I think it has to be either upstream or with xds
[01:46] <bluesabre> ^ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/502
[02:33] <Unit193> I'd vote upstream, then.
[03:32] <skellat> ochosi, bluesabre: This needs follow-up by one of you -- http://askubuntu.com/q/512257/139532
[05:53] <elfy> bluesabre: that makes sense to me
[06:37] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - there were updates today for a couple of gstreamer packages, tied up with bug 1346821
[06:37] <elfy> appears to fix the issue with parole bug 1356979
[06:39] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1346821/comments/9
[07:17] <Unit193> elfy: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core doesn't have them select "Install" or "Command-line install", not sure if it's planned.  The tasksel name is 'Xubuntu minimal installation', not sure if that matters to you.
[07:17] <Unit193> (Also removed the "Welcome to Ubuntu etherpad")
[07:18] <elfy> yea - it does - that's why it's a draft, I copied stuff from elsewhere 
[07:18] <elfy> write what needs to be written please :)
[07:20] <Unit193> And I'll have to see how exactly that boots, or when you can select it.
[07:21] <elfy> should be in the same place as http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/image/1504_Netboot%20Install%20%28Desktop%29
[07:21] <elfy> line 32/33 I think
[07:27] <knome> bluesabre, upstream is the ideal situation, and IMO should be the long-term goal. doing it in x-d-s is ok for now
[08:05] <ochosi> elfy: have you noticed any issues with gtk3 apps in utopic so far?
[08:05] <ochosi> i mean do they look and work okay? (e.g. evince or file-roller)
[08:30] <ochosi> ok, answered that question myself, evince, file-roller and the likes are still in their 3.10 versions (i.e. without CSD) so xubuntu by default at least is safe
[08:31] <ochosi> ali1234: ^
[08:32] <ochosi> (obviously this doesn't apply to other distros or xfce in general, which is why i posted it here)
[08:36] <ali1234> yeah
[08:36] <ali1234> check file requester windows though
[08:37] <ali1234> because those always get CSD if it is available
[08:40] <ochosi> file requester? you mean the open-file dialog?
[08:41] <ali1234> yes
[08:41] <ali1234> also pretty much any modal dialog
[08:42]  * ochosi is afraid to look
[08:50] <ochosi> ali1234: they look fine in 14.10 as far as i can tell
[08:52] <ochosi> yup, they patched it out, like i suspected
[09:10] <brainwash> elfy: does your policy file also work with /usr/bin/Thunar (the symlink)?
[09:12] <elfy> nope
[09:15] <brainwash> add it or just ignore the (useless) symlink
[09:15] <brainwash> would anyone run "pkexec Thunar"?
[09:16] <ochosi> elfy: btw, eric told me last night that "if you are trying to do pkexec thunar in the org.xfce.thunar.policy file make sure you have <annotate  key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui">TRUE</annotate>
[09:16] <ochosi> "
[09:16] <ochosi> background: pkexec won't pass $DISPLAY or $XAUTHORITY by default (and running a full gui program as root is a bad  idea)
[09:17] <slickymasterWork> knome, we could do the pkexec and the new NetworkManager items for the docs, if you want, and afterwards start to work on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox stuff 
[09:17] <elfy> off to work again
[09:17] <brainwash> and what about an additional script called thunar-pkexec? it basically runs pkexec thunar "$@"
[09:18] <brainwash> like gparted-pkexec
[10:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: got it
[10:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you're still looking at the greeter (not like this is a huge issue though), we could try to improve the padding in the shutdown/restart dialogs. the icons look a bit off in gtk3.12
[10:17] <bluesabre> ochosi: we'll do that for 1.9.1
[10:17] <ochosi> ideally they'd be vertically centered: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08192014-121717pm.php
[10:17] <bluesabre> I agree
[10:17] <ochosi> we can also drop the icons though
[10:17] <ochosi> they don't really add much to the meaning of the dialog
[10:17] <knome> slickymasterWork, sure... let's see when we both have time :)
[10:18] <ochosi> lunchtime, bbl
[10:42] <bluesabre> ochosi: want to test something when you get back in trusty?
[10:43] <bluesabre> pull latest lightdm-gtk-greeter, then run
[10:43] <bluesabre> ./autogen.sh; make; make distcheck
[10:43] <bluesabre> let me know if it finishes
[11:17] <bluesabre> skellat: responded.
[11:27] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1193716 is fixed now, but is it worth to tell people that they can request the package to be backported to trusty?
[11:28] <brainwash> I'm not sure how to handle this backport option? do we even provide any backports for trusty as of now?
[11:41] <brainwash> bluesabre: can we close bug 1349056 ?
[12:08] <elfy> ochosi: I really know little about pkexec - if it needs fiddling about with then someone else will have to do so
[12:20] <brainwash> why did someone move all the dupes to bug 1357090 ?!
[12:21] <elfy> ochosi: there's certainly no org.xfce.thunar.policy atm - just one I knocked together which says something else entirely
[12:34] <elfy> bluesabre might want to hold fire if the policies need to be changed 
[12:40] <ochosi> brainwash: not sure an entirely new version of xfce4-power-manager will be backported to trusty
[12:40] <ochosi> and anyway, the stable 1.4 hasn't even been released yet
[12:40] <ochosi> but yeah, you can still mark it fixed
[12:41] <brainwash> so we don't do backports?
[12:41] <ochosi> i'm not sure i wanna port back something like the power-manager
[12:41] <ochosi> it theoretically needs new icons too
[12:42] <ochosi> it's not like we only fixed bugs from 1.2 to 1.4
[12:42] <ochosi> people who want it can get it from a PPA i'd say
[12:42] <ochosi> that is, when it's released
[12:42] <brainwash> ok
[12:44] <ochosi> brainwash: also, please don't subscribe me to reports like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1357090
[12:45] <ochosi> i mean seriously, we close a bugreport and people open a new bugreport referencing that bugreport?
[12:45] <brainwash> "Input from the Xubuntu team would be much appreciated here"
[12:45] <brainwash> it's a mess
[12:45] <ochosi> the comments suggest that the two guys have entirely differnt issues
[12:45] <brainwash> and it's targeting xubu default settings
[12:46] <brainwash> so, someone has to stop this madness :)
[12:46] <ochosi> right so do something other than subscribing me
[12:47] <brainwash> should I tell you to write a comment instead?
[12:49] <ochosi> you should write one yourself
[12:49] <ochosi> you know pretty much as much as i do about this issue
[12:49] <brainwash> right, it's fixed
[12:50] <ochosi> it's fixed or a different issue
[12:50] <brainwash> any suggestion for a new target package?
[12:51] <brainwash> apparently it cannot be fixed in xubu default settings
[12:51] <brainwash> because there is nothing to fix
[12:55] <ochosi> not sure, could be anything, from graphics driver to x11
[12:55] <ochosi> anyway, i'm going back to ignoring that bugreport now
[13:05] <ochosi> lderan: since feature freeze is only two days away I'm presuming we're postponing your workitem (GUI for panel-switch)?
[13:08] <knome> if it's almost ready or sth, i could work on the exception paperwork
[13:08] <knome> given that it would be ready soon, that is
[13:09] <ochosi> not sure that lderan has even started
[13:09] <ochosi> i mean it shouldn't be so hard, since the app is already there and does what it should
[14:16] <slickymasterWork>  Language: Finnish	Status: 99,75%	Untranslated: 2 <- https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/utopic
[14:16] <slickymasterWork> knome ^^
[14:17] <knome> bah
[14:17] <knome> it's going to get prodded down anyway, no reason to sweat now ;)
[14:18] <slickymasterWork> lol, I know
[14:18] <knome> besides, i just finished a translation for a wordpress plugin and fixed a lot of stupid mistakes and badly translated strings in it
[14:18] <slickymasterWork> about this morning ping, when you see you have the time to spare on those items ping me, please
[14:18] <knome> i'm not even using it (except for a client), but i got so annoyed by the stupid translations that i thought i'd just fix it ;)
[14:19] <knome> i will
[14:19] <slickymasterWork> a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do
[14:20] <knome> i guess i could have theoretically charged the client for that, but it somehow didn't feel right.. :)
[14:21] <slickymasterWork> :)
[14:29] <mhall119> hey guys, we're having pleia2 on in ~30 for the Community Team Q&A if you can help promote it on Xubuntu's social media accounts: http://ubuntuonair.com/
[14:30] <knome> mhall119, do you have a tweet about it?
[14:32] <mhall119> knome: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/501735865367150592
[14:32] <knome> ah.
[14:33] <knome> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/501738674749730816
[14:33] <knome> tweeted.
[14:35] <knome> wondering what those "horrible customizations" are? https://twitter.com/DrTuxWang/status/497611065698820097
[14:35] <knome> and by what means are we "infected by unity libraries" ?
[14:42] <ali1234> lol, unity libraries actually break xubuntu
[14:42] <ali1234> he could be talking about indicators though i suppose
[14:51] <pleia2> getting ready for zee hangout
[15:06] <knome> ali1234, if i'm connecting the dots correctly, he's a person with a ban on #xubuntu...
[15:21] <elfy> ochosi: so - using org..xfce.thunar.policy doesn't work - on a seperate note the policy file I have that does work has that allow_gui in it
[15:23] <ochosi> elfy: i'll ask eric to specifically review our policy files as he seems to know more about all this
[15:24] <elfy> good plan :)
[15:24] <elfy> no good me doing it - I'll just flounder and thrash about for a bit getting no closer to the shore :p
[15:28] <elfy> ochosi: did you see my garbled message this morning re the jog in parole issue?
[15:28] <elfy> or rather - see it and understand :p
[16:02] <ochosi> elfy: if i understood you correctly, you said that the issue in gstreamer1.0 with skipping has been fixed
[16:05] <elfy> good :)
[16:05] <ochosi> any clue yet whether that'll be backported to trusty?
[16:07] <elfy> none - is it a bug in trusty then - because I never noticed that 
[16:08] <ochosi> hm, i thought i had seen that
[16:09] <ochosi> can't be sure now though (too tired after a day in the office)
[16:09] <elfy> :)
[16:23] <ochosi> elfy: eric was kind enough to review the policy files and they're ok as is
[16:25] <elfy> awesome :)
[16:25] <elfy> I knew they *worked* - but making sure they're ok for anyone else was something else entirely
[16:49] <ochosi> elfy: yup, in any case, well done! (and thanks)
[16:53] <brainwash> the thunar policy file is missing pkexec in the filename
[16:53] <brainwash> com.ubuntu.pkexec.mousepad.policy
[16:53] <brainwash> com.ubuntu.thunar.policy
[16:53] <brainwash> just ignore this fact?
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> bbl ->
[19:15] <elfy> screens blanking after 10 minutes for some reason - set to never 
[19:16] <ochosi> elfy: 10mins is the default time, you're controlling it via xfpm?
[19:16] <elfy> yea - set to never
[19:16] <elfy> was ok the other day
[19:17] <elfy> xset -q is showing screen saver timeout at 600
[19:17] <ochosi> right
[19:17] <ochosi> then something's not working
[19:17] <elfy> yep
[19:18] <ochosi> maybe a regression, i'll investigate
[19:18] <elfy> ok - basically I have everything set to never - always, hence knowing when something's up :)
[19:19] <ochosi> yup
[19:21] <elfy> ochosi: you got any idea when you'll be setting the next meeting? time mostly I'm interested in
[19:26] <ochosi> i think i wanna do one next week, to be able to review FF and potential FFe
[19:26] <ochosi> so something like tue or wed, 11UTC
[19:27] <ochosi> elfy: can you check the settings in xfce4-settings-editor for xfpm plz?
[19:27] <ochosi> blank-on-ac and blank-on-battery are the values we're interested in
[19:27] <ochosi> (in minutes)
[19:30] <elfy> ochosi: blank-on-ac is 0 and blank-on-battery si not there at all - no battery here, desktop
[19:30] <ochosi> ah ok
[19:30] <ochosi> well good to know, i'll have to dig further though what's broken
[19:30] <ochosi> bbabl
[19:30] <elfy> ok
[23:05] <bluesabre> hey everyone
[23:14] <bluesabre> brainwash: renamed the policy file in lp:xubuntu-default-settings
[23:14] <bluesabre> It'd be cool if the bots added links for lp: addresses