[00:14] hey all [00:34] ochosi, knome, elfy: maybe we should add pkexec policies to xubuntu-default-settings instead of individual packages to maintain translations... thoughts? [00:35] + Unit193 [01:26] * bluesabre finally reads the rest of the backlog [01:26] but yeah, for translations, I think it has to be either upstream or with xds [01:46] ^ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/502 [02:33] I'd vote upstream, then. [03:32] ochosi, bluesabre: This needs follow-up by one of you -- http://askubuntu.com/q/512257/139532 [05:53] bluesabre: that makes sense to me [06:37] ochosi bluesabre - there were updates today for a couple of gstreamer packages, tied up with bug 1346821 [06:37] bug 1346821 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "media-hub-server uses all system's memory (sigkill send to init)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346821 [06:37] appears to fix the issue with parole bug 1356979 [06:37] bug 1356979 in parole (Ubuntu) "Fast forward/jog during a track changes to next playlist track" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356979 [06:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1346821/comments/9 [06:39] Launchpad bug 1346821 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "media-hub-server uses all system's memory (sigkill send to init)" [Critical,In progress] === ali12341 is now known as ali1234 [07:17] elfy: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core doesn't have them select "Install" or "Command-line install", not sure if it's planned. The tasksel name is 'Xubuntu minimal installation', not sure if that matters to you. [07:17] (Also removed the "Welcome to Ubuntu etherpad") [07:18] yea - it does - that's why it's a draft, I copied stuff from elsewhere [07:18] write what needs to be written please :) [07:20] And I'll have to see how exactly that boots, or when you can select it. [07:21] should be in the same place as http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/image/1504_Netboot%20Install%20%28Desktop%29 [07:21] line 32/33 I think [07:27] bluesabre, upstream is the ideal situation, and IMO should be the long-term goal. doing it in x-d-s is ok for now [08:05] elfy: have you noticed any issues with gtk3 apps in utopic so far? [08:05] i mean do they look and work okay? (e.g. evince or file-roller) [08:30] ok, answered that question myself, evince, file-roller and the likes are still in their 3.10 versions (i.e. without CSD) so xubuntu by default at least is safe [08:31] ali1234: ^ [08:32] (obviously this doesn't apply to other distros or xfce in general, which is why i posted it here) [08:36] yeah [08:36] check file requester windows though [08:37] because those always get CSD if it is available [08:40] file requester? you mean the open-file dialog? [08:41] yes [08:41] also pretty much any modal dialog [08:42] * ochosi is afraid to look [08:50] ali1234: they look fine in 14.10 as far as i can tell [08:52] yup, they patched it out, like i suspected [09:10] elfy: does your policy file also work with /usr/bin/Thunar (the symlink)? [09:12] nope [09:15] add it or just ignore the (useless) symlink [09:15] would anyone run "pkexec Thunar"? [09:16] elfy: btw, eric told me last night that "if you are trying to do pkexec thunar in the org.xfce.thunar.policy file make sure you have TRUE [09:16] " [09:16] background: pkexec won't pass $DISPLAY or $XAUTHORITY by default (and running a full gui program as root is a bad idea) [09:17] knome, we could do the pkexec and the new NetworkManager items for the docs, if you want, and afterwards start to work on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox stuff [09:17] off to work again [09:17] and what about an additional script called thunar-pkexec? it basically runs pkexec thunar "$@" [09:18] like gparted-pkexec === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:07] ochosi: got it [10:17] bluesabre: if you're still looking at the greeter (not like this is a huge issue though), we could try to improve the padding in the shutdown/restart dialogs. the icons look a bit off in gtk3.12 [10:17] ochosi: we'll do that for 1.9.1 [10:17] ideally they'd be vertically centered: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08192014-121717pm.php [10:17] I agree [10:17] we can also drop the icons though [10:17] they don't really add much to the meaning of the dialog [10:17] slickymasterWork, sure... let's see when we both have time :) [10:18] lunchtime, bbl [10:42] ochosi: want to test something when you get back in trusty? [10:43] pull latest lightdm-gtk-greeter, then run [10:43] ./autogen.sh; make; make distcheck [10:43] let me know if it finishes [11:17] skellat: responded. [11:27] ochosi: bug 1193716 is fixed now, but is it worth to tell people that they can request the package to be backported to trusty? [11:27] bug 1193716 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Xfce Power Manager does not override the screen saver timeout (X11 Screen Saver extension)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193716 [11:28] I'm not sure how to handle this backport option? do we even provide any backports for trusty as of now? [11:41] bluesabre: can we close bug 1349056 ? [11:41] bug 1349056 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager doesn't suspend on lid closed (regression)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349056 [12:08] ochosi: I really know little about pkexec - if it needs fiddling about with then someone else will have to do so [12:20] why did someone move all the dupes to bug 1357090 ?! [12:20] bug 1357090 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Black screen on resume Xubuntu 14.04.1 #1303736 NOT fixed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357090 === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster [12:21] ochosi: there's certainly no org.xfce.thunar.policy atm - just one I knocked together which says something else entirely [12:34] bluesabre might want to hold fire if the policies need to be changed [12:40] brainwash: not sure an entirely new version of xfce4-power-manager will be backported to trusty [12:40] and anyway, the stable 1.4 hasn't even been released yet [12:40] but yeah, you can still mark it fixed [12:41] so we don't do backports? [12:41] i'm not sure i wanna port back something like the power-manager [12:41] it theoretically needs new icons too [12:42] it's not like we only fixed bugs from 1.2 to 1.4 [12:42] people who want it can get it from a PPA i'd say [12:42] that is, when it's released [12:42] ok [12:44] brainwash: also, please don't subscribe me to reports like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1357090 [12:44] Launchpad bug 1357090 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Black screen on resume Xubuntu 14.04.1 #1303736 NOT fixed" [High,Confirmed] [12:45] i mean seriously, we close a bugreport and people open a new bugreport referencing that bugreport? [12:45] "Input from the Xubuntu team would be much appreciated here" [12:45] it's a mess [12:45] the comments suggest that the two guys have entirely differnt issues [12:45] and it's targeting xubu default settings [12:46] so, someone has to stop this madness :) [12:46] right so do something other than subscribing me [12:47] should I tell you to write a comment instead? [12:49] you should write one yourself [12:49] you know pretty much as much as i do about this issue [12:49] right, it's fixed [12:50] it's fixed or a different issue [12:50] any suggestion for a new target package? [12:51] apparently it cannot be fixed in xubu default settings [12:51] because there is nothing to fix [12:55] not sure, could be anything, from graphics driver to x11 [12:55] anyway, i'm going back to ignoring that bugreport now [13:05] lderan: since feature freeze is only two days away I'm presuming we're postponing your workitem (GUI for panel-switch)? [13:08] if it's almost ready or sth, i could work on the exception paperwork [13:08] given that it would be ready soon, that is [13:09] not sure that lderan has even started [13:09] i mean it shouldn't be so hard, since the app is already there and does what it should === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [14:16] Language: Finnish Status: 99,75% Untranslated: 2 <- https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/utopic [14:16] knome ^^ [14:17] bah [14:17] it's going to get prodded down anyway, no reason to sweat now ;) [14:18] lol, I know [14:18] besides, i just finished a translation for a wordpress plugin and fixed a lot of stupid mistakes and badly translated strings in it [14:18] about this morning ping, when you see you have the time to spare on those items ping me, please [14:18] i'm not even using it (except for a client), but i got so annoyed by the stupid translations that i thought i'd just fix it ;) [14:19] i will [14:19] a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do [14:20] i guess i could have theoretically charged the client for that, but it somehow didn't feel right.. :) [14:21] :) [14:29] hey guys, we're having pleia2 on in ~30 for the Community Team Q&A if you can help promote it on Xubuntu's social media accounts: http://ubuntuonair.com/ [14:30] mhall119, do you have a tweet about it? [14:32] knome: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/501735865367150592 [14:32] ah. [14:33] https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/501738674749730816 [14:33] tweeted. [14:35] wondering what those "horrible customizations" are? https://twitter.com/DrTuxWang/status/497611065698820097 [14:35] and by what means are we "infected by unity libraries" ? [14:42] lol, unity libraries actually break xubuntu [14:42] he could be talking about indicators though i suppose [14:51] getting ready for zee hangout [15:06] ali1234, if i'm connecting the dots correctly, he's a person with a ban on #xubuntu... [15:21] ochosi: so - using org..xfce.thunar.policy doesn't work - on a seperate note the policy file I have that does work has that allow_gui in it [15:23] elfy: i'll ask eric to specifically review our policy files as he seems to know more about all this [15:24] good plan :) [15:24] no good me doing it - I'll just flounder and thrash about for a bit getting no closer to the shore :p [15:28] ochosi: did you see my garbled message this morning re the jog in parole issue? [15:28] or rather - see it and understand :p [16:02] elfy: if i understood you correctly, you said that the issue in gstreamer1.0 with skipping has been fixed [16:05] good :) [16:05] any clue yet whether that'll be backported to trusty? [16:07] none - is it a bug in trusty then - because I never noticed that [16:08] hm, i thought i had seen that [16:09] can't be sure now though (too tired after a day in the office) [16:09] :) [16:23] elfy: eric was kind enough to review the policy files and they're ok as is [16:25] awesome :) [16:25] I knew they *worked* - but making sure they're ok for anyone else was something else entirely [16:49] elfy: yup, in any case, well done! (and thanks) [16:53] the thunar policy file is missing pkexec in the filename [16:53] com.ubuntu.pkexec.mousepad.policy [16:53] com.ubuntu.thunar.policy [16:53] just ignore this fact? [17:07] bbl -> [19:15] screens blanking after 10 minutes for some reason - set to never [19:16] elfy: 10mins is the default time, you're controlling it via xfpm? [19:16] yea - set to never [19:16] was ok the other day [19:17] xset -q is showing screen saver timeout at 600 [19:17] right [19:17] then something's not working [19:17] yep [19:18] maybe a regression, i'll investigate [19:18] ok - basically I have everything set to never - always, hence knowing when something's up :) [19:19] yup [19:21] ochosi: you got any idea when you'll be setting the next meeting? time mostly I'm interested in [19:26] i think i wanna do one next week, to be able to review FF and potential FFe [19:26] so something like tue or wed, 11UTC [19:27] elfy: can you check the settings in xfce4-settings-editor for xfpm plz? [19:27] blank-on-ac and blank-on-battery are the values we're interested in [19:27] (in minutes) [19:30] ochosi: blank-on-ac is 0 and blank-on-battery si not there at all - no battery here, desktop [19:30] ah ok [19:30] well good to know, i'll have to dig further though what's broken [19:30] bbabl [19:30] ok [23:05] hey everyone [23:14] brainwash: renamed the policy file in lp:xubuntu-default-settings [23:14] It'd be cool if the bots added links for lp: addresses