[04:24] <Nelson_> nice to see U
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:09] <valorie> mhall119: the KDE sysadmins are banning the nextdoor.com site from all KDE lists -- is there a way I can get the *buntu mail admins to do the same thing?
[06:09] <valorie> or I'm afraid I'll be the first of many spammers on their behalf
[06:09] <valorie> I've written to them about their faulty webform, but.....
[06:10] <Unit193> Canonical sysadmins would be the place to ask, I'd think.  Also banning LinkedIn would be good.
[06:17] <valorie> Unit193: do you have an email, or should I submit an RT?
[06:17]  * valorie has never done this before
[06:18] <valorie> I mean an email for the sysadmins
[06:18] <Unit193> valorie: RT is them, they also have a channel but RT is the way to go.
[06:18] <valorie> so is the web address https://rt.canonical.com ?
[06:20] <Unit193> s/canonical/ubuntu/, but it redirects there so no matter.
[06:20] <valorie> got it, email rt@ubuntu.com
[06:20] <valorie> thanks
[07:22] <joedj> 12.04 -> 14.04 upgrade is failing with this error in main.log - suggestions? ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'The package 'update-manager-kde' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.'
[07:46] <CrypticByte> I just installed kubuntu and opened kde telepathy but its saying i need to install the haze and gabble plugins but when i try to install them it states i already have the newest versions
[07:46] <CrypticByte> nvm randomly started working
[08:55] <admine_> hello :)
[10:42] <memeka> I'm trying KDE5, but EGL seems not to work, although it works on KDE4 ... :(
[10:42] <memeka> compositor works only with XRender...
[10:42] <memeka> can anyone help me debug the issue ?
[10:47] <shadeslayer> memeka: hi, I saw your post in #project-neon earlier
[10:47] <memeka> well I am not thanks shadeslayer
[10:47] <memeka> sorry
[10:47] <memeka> :)
[10:48] <memeka> thanks, you think you can help?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> memeka: there's no KDE5 :) , I'm assuming you mean plasma 5, for that, I'd recommend running kwin_x11 from konsole and checking the output
[10:48] <memeka> I mean it works on KDE 4
[10:48] <memeka> i mean project neon :)
[10:48] <shadeslayer> memeka: yeah, but they're different stacks
[10:48] <memeka> well, the output is not like kwin_egl
[10:48] <shadeslayer> one uses Qt5 and the other uses Qt4
[10:50] <memeka> of course :P
[10:52] <memeka> shadeslayer: KWIN_OPENGL_INTERFACE=egl /opt/project-neon5/bin/kwin_x11 --replace
[10:52] <memeka> here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8096952/
[10:53] <memeka> bind OpenGL API failed
[10:53] <memeka> ....
[10:53] <memeka> not a lot of info there...
[10:54] <shadeslayer> memeka: you're also missing kglobalaccel?
[10:55] <memeka> shadeslayer: no but I did that from SSH
[10:56] <shadeslayer> memeka: I'd recommend contacting the kwin maintainer tbh, I'm not entirely sure what would be required apart from making sure Qt is compiled with opengles
[10:56] <memeka> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8096971/
[10:56] <shadeslayer> hm, though possibly martin is on vacation
[10:56] <memeka> this is run from within, so qdbus can see everything
[10:56] <shadeslayer> memeka: send a email to plasma devel I'd say
[10:56] <shadeslayer> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/exynos_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/exynos_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[10:57] <memeka> that's GLX
[10:57] <memeka> I have other apps running that try GLX first, and get that error
[10:57] <memeka> but then use EGL just fine
[10:57] <memeka> (yeah, GLX Is not available)
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ah hm, yeah
[10:57] <shadeslayer> true, it doesn't give alot of info
[10:58] <shadeslayer> dunno, I'm no opengl expert
[10:58] <shadeslayer> memeka: plasma-devel@lists.kde.org might be able to help
[10:59] <memeka> k I will send an email thanks
[10:59] <shadeslayer> cheers
[10:59] <shadeslayer> memeka: also, how long did compiling everything take?
[11:00] <shadeslayer> can you also test the Plasma 5 packages from regular ubuntu utopic?
[11:00] <memeka> about 1 day
[11:00] <memeka> native
[11:00] <shadeslayer> would be really cool
[11:00] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:00] <memeka> but
[11:00] <shadeslayer> damn, Plasma 5 isn't in the archive, so no armhf packages
[11:00] <memeka> I had to compile everything by hand
[11:00] <shadeslayer> right
[11:00] <memeka> had to figure out myself the deps
[11:01] <memeka> so a script to compile stuff continously would take few hours :)
[11:01] <shadeslayer> memeka: well, in utopic we have half the stuff compiled for armhf
[11:01] <shadeslayer> all the frameworks
[11:01] <shadeslayer> but plasma you'd have to compile by hand
[11:01] <shadeslayer> might be worth looking into that
[11:02] <shadeslayer> neon is a fairly fast moving unstable target
[11:02] <memeka> well... if it's half the stuff
[11:02] <memeka> it's still a pain
[11:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:02] <shadeslayer> I can understand
[11:02] <shadeslayer> I could try and get armhf for the kubuntu next ppa
[11:02]  * shadeslayer asks
[11:03] <shadeslayer> memeka: but the point of getting armhf builders for the PPA would be to get testers
[11:03] <shadeslayer> memeka: do you reckon you can provide useful feedback?
[11:03] <shadeslayer> i.e. do you have the time to test packages?
[11:04] <shadeslayer> memeka: fwiw there's also #plasma
[11:05] <memeka> I'll ask, thanks
[11:05] <memeka> I can test stuff out I guess...
[11:05] <shadeslayer> ok, I'll ask for armhf builders
[11:05] <shadeslayer> lets see what happens
[11:06] <memeka> cool, thanks
[11:08] <shadeslayer> memeka: might want to join #kubuntu-devel too btw :)
[11:09] <memeka> :))
[11:18] <allee> KDE mime type system claims: /boot/grub/i386-pc/  is full of 'Amiga audio files'.  file /boot/grub/i386-pc/*.mod  correctly detects 'ELF 32-bi t...'
[11:18] <allee> Where are the config files that KDE uses to detect mime-types?
[11:19] <allee> I usually don't browse boot/grub, but baloo lists them in dolpins 'Audio Files' view :-(
[12:26] <Walex> allee: depends...
[12:26] <allee> Walex: on what ? ;-)
[12:27] <Walex> allee: consider looking at '/etc/mime.types' and 'man xdg-mime' to start with
[12:27] <Walex> allee: and also of course 'kcmshell4 filetypes' but probably that is derived from the above.
[12:28] <Walex> allee: also nothing prevents the Baloo indexer from using its own list
[12:46] <allee> Walex: thx, I assume xdg-mime and the f.d.o standard will lead the to the xml config files
[12:49] <Walex> allee: maybe...
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[13:00] <jubo2> Salutation BluesKaj
[13:00] <jubo2> We should have FLGOSS devel appreciation days .. like .. often
[13:01] <jubo2> Once / week might be good
[13:01] <jubo2> Thursday - from Thor's Dag would be my off-handed choice
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hi jubo2 and what does that acronym mean ?
[13:02] <jubo2> Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, FLGOSS devel appreciation day, Friday, Saturday, Sunday repeat
[13:02] <jubo2> BluesKaj: jubo-jubo not acronym
[13:02] <jubo2> and 2 is just another number.. 'k.. maybe the only even prime in the .. whatever you call this reality thing at any point
[13:03] <BluesKaj> if you want to discuss offtopic then #kubuntu-offtopic is the place
[13:03] <jubo2> BluesKaj: My friend Migisq just one day said: "What if we'd call you Jubo?"
[13:03] <BluesKaj> not hjere jubo2
[13:03] <jubo2> I liked it so it stuck
[13:04] <jubo2> BluesKaj: 'k.. was forgetting in a support channel. channel traffic ~~ support demand, support demand == bad for us
[13:05] <jubo2> no traffic == no support demand == good for us
[13:50] <mhall119> valorie: you can many ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[15:07] <ik_> hi ¡
[15:07] <ik_> hi ¡
[15:12] <Wizard> Hi everyone.
[15:13] <Wizard> Seems everything works ;
[15:19] <yossarianuk> hello everybody !
[15:19] <Riddell> Wizard: great :)
[15:19] <Riddell> hi yossarianuk
[15:19] <yossarianuk> Kde - 4.14 is out : http://kde.org/announcements/4.14/
[15:19] <Riddell> I accept payment is beer and hugs :)
[15:19] <Riddell> yossarianuk: have you tried the kubuntu packages yet?
[15:20] <yossarianuk> is that going to be in the 14.04 standard repo or PPA only ?
[15:20] <Wizard> yossarianuk: No updates yet..
[15:20] <Riddell> yossarianuk: PPA only, it's a feature release
[15:20] <yossarianuk> riddell: thanks - not tested yet...
[15:20] <yossarianuk> riddell: will be tonight though on my home desktop.
[15:21] <yossarianuk> ah - just seen the announcement on kubuntu.org...   http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.14
[15:23] <yossarianuk> is 14.10 going to be using kde 4.x or 5.x ?
[15:27] <Riddell> yossarianuk: Plasma 4 on the default image, there will also be a tech preview image with Plasma 5
[15:28] <yossarianuk> thanks for the info riddell:  it should be in fairly good shape by then....
[15:45] <Wizard> Nah, I'm happy with default 14.04 ;]
[15:46] <Wizard> I even encouraged myself to use netbook-plasma.
[15:46] <Wizard> plasma-netbook rather.
[15:46] <Wizard> Whatever.
[15:47] <Gatis> what is netbook-plasam
[15:48] <Wizard> Gatis: http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/
[15:48] <Gatis> ok
[15:48] <Wizard> Kubuntu enables it automatically on small screens.
[15:48] <vinco> !list
[15:49] <vinco> ciao
[15:49] <vinco> !list
[15:50] <Wizard> vinco: Your IP address has been reported.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> !it | vinco
[15:50] <vinco> #ubuntu-it
[15:53] <vinco> !list
[15:53] <BluesKaj> the file sharing irc servers in Italy are blocked, hence the
[15:53] <BluesKaj> this
[15:54] <yossarianuk> hold on - why is saying 'list' a demand for warez ?
[15:55] <yossarianuk> i haven't even heard the term 'warez' for over a decade.....  Since I have used Linux as my main desktop I only have legal software.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, usually it;s for media like mp3s etc, since the Italian gov't blocks p2p irc servers
[15:56] <vinco> ciao
[15:56] <vinco> !list
[15:57] <ikonia> vinco: you've already done that - there are no wares here
[15:58] <BluesKaj> ok, bbl
[15:59] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: ah got you - i.e sharing of copyrighted stuff...
[15:59] <yossarianuk> One more advantage of running Linux  - generally its all 100% legal.
[16:01] <yossarianuk> in the last few months I have paid for more games (thanks to steam) than I did in all the time I ran windows.
[16:01] <yossarianuk> (I only ran windows for 5 years - Amiga before (so much better) and linux after.
[16:30] <SuperM> hello
[16:30] <monkeyjuice> hello
[17:05] <BluesKaj> hey monkeyjuice
[17:06] <monkeyjuice> hows it going BluesKaj
[17:07] <BluesKaj> not bad monkeyjuice ...wet here tho, how about you ?
[17:07] <monkeyjuice> ya rain day also , im on the mend messed up my leg so im in a cast
[17:08] <BluesKaj> bummer monkeyjuice, what happened?
[17:09] <monkeyjuice> me being old and stuped at the same time, over lifted and messed up my Achilles tendon
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ouch ouch ouch !
[17:11] <monkeyjuice> ya it was ouch .. ;(
[17:13] <BluesKaj> how long to heal ?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> no pun intended
[17:13] <monkeyjuice> only 6 to 9 weeks ;)
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ok, took 6 weeks for the big toe tendon, which got severed by a broken vinegar bottle while diving into a river
[17:16] <monkeyjuice> so your old and stuped too i guess LOL sorry had to do it
[17:16] <BluesKaj> cast as well
[17:17] <BluesKaj> that was when I was young and stupid, 19yrs old
[17:17] <monkeyjuice> oh lol ;)
[17:17]  * genii makes more coffee 
[17:17] <monkeyjuice> howdee genii
[17:18] <BluesKaj> hey genii
[17:18] <genii> Hi people :)
[17:29] <foobar_> hello, how to remove an icon app from the bottom Panel,please?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> right click on the icon , there should be an option to remove
[17:34] <foobar_> BluesKaj: no
[17:34] <BluesKaj> no wahT/
[17:34] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:34] <foobar_> i mean: there's a Remove this Panel, but dunno if it will remove the whole panel bar instead just that one
[17:35] <foobar_> all the icons are in that widget which I don't know how it is called, correct'
[17:35] <foobar_> task manager, perhaps
[17:35] <BluesKaj> foobar_, is it in a launcher in the panel?
[17:35] <foobar_> BluesKaj: sorry dunno: i only made Add to Panel for the apps
[17:36] <foobar_> and now kate won't be launched, so I am trying to remove it
[17:36] <foobar_> got this and permissions issues right now
[17:37] <foobar_> since I cannot create, edit and save my files in /var/www/ as normal user, i only can create them by doing sudo kate filename.ext but this sounds very wrong
[17:37] <BluesKaj> foobar_, right click on the panel>panel options>panel settings
[17:38] <foobar_> uff i remove the whole default bottom bar now:(
[17:38] <foobar_> and now?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> then pass the cursor over the icon , there should be an opion to remove
[17:38] <BluesKaj> option
[17:38] <foobar_> add Panel->defaults
[17:39] <BluesKaj> no
[17:39] <BluesKaj> read above
[17:41] <foobar_> BluesKaj: yup i mean that to restore the bottom bar was just Add Panel->defaults
[17:42] <foobar_> a solution to use permissions on files correctly, now?
[17:42] <foobar_> I would just launch kate and work, without think about permissions
[17:42] <BluesKaj> sorry I don't know what that has to do with icons in the panel
[17:43] <foobar_> nothing, icons issue is solved, more or less:)
[17:44] <BluesKaj> ok for giu app lauch with permissions use kdesudo in the krunner/run command for launching with permissions in the terminalk use sudo
[17:44] <BluesKaj> terminal
[17:45] <foobar_> BluesKaj: i won't use sudo
[17:45] <BluesKaj> kdesudo for GUI ..if you need to use a command to launch
[17:47] <foobar_> mhmh
[17:48] <foobar_> it sounds a bit weird anyway
[17:48] <foobar_> many thanks for now BluesKaj
[17:59] <foobar_> btw BluesKaj i got linux on a SSD
[18:02] <BluesKaj> ook foobar_ yw
[18:02] <foobar_> my first SSD
[18:02] <foobar_> don0t hack me please
[18:03] <bprompt> ?
[18:03] <foobar_> :P
[18:03]  * bprompt guesses foobar_  is foobared
[18:04] <foobar_> dunno.doubtful
[18:06] <nicholasjanssen> WHY XCHAT WONT HAVE EASY IGNORE FUNCTION
[18:09] <BluesKaj> nicholasjanssen, no shouting here ,and ask your question in the #xchat chan
[18:15] <foobar_> anyway BluesKaj i do't get why i cannot create files by just launch kate in my home and deeper
[18:16] <foobar_> well, /var/www is not my home, indeed, but still
[18:17] <foobar_> every web dev just open the terminal and launch kdesudo kate?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> kate should launch from the kmenu>applications>utilities, no need for any other method unless you have existing textfiles in dolphin that you click on
[18:31] <foobar_> BluesKaj: yup but if i try to create/edit/save files in /var/www using kate, it will failes
[18:33] <BluesKaj> foobar_, are you using kdesudo to open /var/www?
[18:34] <foobar_> BluesKaj: no i didn't
[18:35] <foobar_> just asking if it is a common method that i never discovered
[18:36] <BluesKaj> uhm, never heard of /var/www , so you obviously created it ,... which command/path did you use>?
[18:39] <foobar_> BluesKaj: it is php/apache local server
[18:40] <BluesKaj> foobar_, then ask in #php or #apache
[18:41] <BluesKaj> thsat's not a kubuntu related question
[18:41] <Pici> //var/www is the default document root in Ubuntu.
[18:45] <Pici> BluesKaj: ^
[18:46] <BluesKaj> Pici, odd, I've never seen it
[18:46] <BluesKaj> Pici, perhaps you can help foobar_  then rather than correcting me
[18:48] <Pici> foobar_: You should either add yourself to the www-data group, which should allow you to save files in there (after a logoff/logon) or create a new document root in a place you both have access.
[18:54] <foobar_> Pici: mhmh i will search for that way then
[18:56] <foobar_> BluesKaj: ask on #php would be a way too, since the server is on linux, i thought it would a good question for this chan too
[19:01] <BluesKaj> well maybe, seems #ubuntu might be more suitable since your question is about  //var/www which is the default document root in Ubuntu as Pici pointed out to me, not sure about the ruling would be for this question
[19:11] <BluesKaj> not sure about what the ruling would be for this question, rather
[19:42]  * keithzg ran into the change of /var/www to /var/www/html as the default apache2 document root just the other day
[19:44] <keithzg> So, anybody have any answers for re-integrating Chrome with KDE? Since they switched off of GTK to their own stack I've found it kindof annoying (can't click-drag to or from with the same nice results, for example).
[19:46] <keithzg> It kindof kills me that I can't just click-drag pictures from a chrome window into a Dolphin one now, for example.
[19:48] <foobar_> BluesKaj: :)
[19:49] <BluesKaj> keithzg, have you tried chromium-browser ?
[19:51] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Hrmm, you're right, that *does* work. Did Chromium not switch over to Aura or something?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> dunno keithzg, I just assume since it's written for linux exclusively that any linux DE will integrate with it
[19:55] <BluesKaj> or rather the reverse :)
[19:55] <keithzg> BluesKaj: It's weird though, since I swear until the Aura changeover it worked fine on Chrome to. Although maybe that's a read herring and it's something else that's breaking it. Hmm.
[19:59] <BluesKaj> keithzg, chrome is a windows browser adapted to run on linux. whereas chromium is a linux browser period, dunno what aura is.
[20:01] <keithzg> BluesKaj: No offense, but you're just wrong.
[20:01] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Aura is Google's toolkit which they replaced GTK with. As such, the version of Chrome for Linux is nearly identical now to the version they use in ChromeOS.
[20:02] <keithzg> In many respects, their Linux branch is getting far more attention these days than their Windows one.
[20:02] <keithzg> Several times recently features came to ChromeOS and normal Linux long before they made it to Windows.
[20:03] <keithzg> All Chromium is these days is Chrome with some proprietary Google blobs excised, in the same way AOSP compares to what ships on Nexus devices.
[20:04] <BluesKaj> keithzg, seems the devs are working on an android browser that with a few mods runs fine on linux
[20:05] <keithzg> Err, the Chrome on Android is further from what's in ChromeOS than Chrome on (normal) Linux is.
[20:05] <BluesKaj> i don't have a nexuz or andoid device so I\m behind the curve there :)
[20:08] <BluesKaj> or an "i" anything either :)
[20:09] <BluesKaj> guess you young guys would classify me as a Luddite
[20:09] <keithzg> Well, if you use a dumbphone, perhaps!
[20:10] <keithzg> Myself I just try to use whatever is closest to GNU/Linux as possible, ex. the phone I'm holding in my hand right now has a UI written in Qt5, rendered with Wayland, and using systemd underneath :)
[20:11] <keithzg> Anyways, though. Aura is essentially Google's underlying toolset to replace most of the beneath-the-hood usage of GTK, so that the ChromeOS, desktop Linux and Windows versions are all unified (to a degree; Chrome still uses GTK for theming, for example).
[20:11] <keithzg> Chromium being just Chrome without the proprietary bits, this all is true of it too: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/aura
[20:12] <BluesKaj> I don't use a cellphone as an audioplayer or text or camera device ...it's a phone, that's all
[20:13] <keithzg> I use a phone because then I have a terminal in my pocket! And lots of great KDE-sourced apps, too.
[20:13] <keithzg> Hell of a lot nicer than carrying around a big bulky and battery-inefficient laptop.
[20:15] <BluesKaj> as it is I spend entirely too much time on this laptop anyway, it's good to give it a rest
[20:15] <keithzg> *shrug*
[20:15] <BluesKaj> <--- retired , don't need a job device
[20:17] <keithzg> Whatever works for you, works. But I'd have a hell of a time finding a device that did only one thing that even did it better than my phone can, ex. for listening to podcasts it's way, way easier to just use gPodder on my phone (written in Python and QML!) than to wrangle that stuff from my desktop onto an mp3 player, which then wouldn't have as nice of a UI/UX as gPodder does anyways.
[20:17] <dnel> is there a kde control panel to manage cpu frequency scaling?
[20:18] <BluesKaj> ditto keithzg , whatever works for you ")
[20:18] <linux> i have kubuntu with motion and it work few days dhan came update and all beauty was gone , when i try to start cheese i get linux@linux-K55VD:~$ cheese
[20:18] <linux> libv4l2: error setting pixformat: Device or resource busy
[20:18] <linux> (cheese:4439): cheese-WARNING **: Device '/dev/video0' is busy: gstv4l2object.c(2524): gst_v4l2_object_set_format (): /GstCameraBin:camerabin/GstWrapperCameraBinSrc:camera_source/GstBin:bin17/GstV4l2Src:video_source:
[20:18] <linux> Call to S_FMT failed for YU12 @ 1280x720: Device or resource busy
[20:19] <BluesKaj> !Paste | linux
[20:19] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Yup, yup and I suspect that's why many of us use Linux and KDE in the first place; everybody's wants and needs are different!
[20:20] <keithzg> dnel: Not any kde control panel option for that which I know of, but there are definitely GUI applications for such.
[20:20] <BluesKaj> dnel, there is an app called cpufrequtils in the repos
[20:22] <keithzg> Also, indicator-cpufreq, which is a appindicator-based applet.
[20:23] <dnel> thanks keithzg, BluesKaj, trying cpufreq-set to set to ondemand governor but it wont work for some reason
[20:25] <keithzg> Hmm, removing my Chrome profile makes drag-and-drop work. So it's something messed up in my profile, not with Chrome itself per se (which makes sense since Chromium worked too).
[20:30] <BluesKaj> well, it's been a long day ....time to give it a rest, later folks
[20:30] <keithzg> Take care
[20:35] <Scunizi> My live usb will not open kde partition manager.  It tries, spins then nothing. Any ideas how to fix that?
[20:39] <keithzg> Scunizi: Have you tried launching it from a terminal? (I believe it's just "partitionmanager").
[20:40] <Scunizi> keithzg: yea.. looks like the system is just reeaallyy slooow in loading the package. I actually got 3 windows up and closed two.
[20:41] <keithzg> Scunizi: Haha, fair enough
[20:42] <Scunizi> I've got another issue though. When creating a live usb the system asked for credentials.  There were 2 user names to pick from, both identical. But when I look in the gui's user configuration section there is only one user for the system. would this be caused by having both unity (as the first install) and kde (kubuntu) as the second?
[20:45] <keithzg> Hrmmm, maaaaybe, I do vaguely remember something along those lines back when I also ran non-KDE environments (these days it's just KDE and sometimes Openbox for me). I'd check "getent passwd" in the terminal for the canonical users list first.
[20:46] <keithzg> Canonical meaning the authoritative, true users list, not referring to the company, heh.
[20:47] <Scunizi> Ok.. did that with only one recognizable user outside of system stuff.. and it was me
[20:49] <Scunizi> it also shows www-data in /var/www but there is no /var/www and I don't have a webserver running.  When I upgrade to 14.04 I may take the opportunity to do a clean install
[20:51] <keithzg> No big deal for that, apache2 just adds that user when installed, as AFAIK it's generally not Debian policy to have packages remove users like that even if you've since uninstalled apache2.
[20:58] <Scunizi> that could be.. the last time I upgraded I was shocked to find I didn't have to do a fresh install to fix things. I may have had apache on at some point in the past.
[20:59] <keithzg> I've never done a fresh install on an existing one, but I'm a stubborn SOB ;)
[21:26] <Scunizi> For whatever reason I've had issues on almost all my home built desktop machines. They weren't the latest and greatest at the time either. 2 gens behind typically